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| What the hell? Does this actually mean Yammy is the top Espada? Kubo'd better not mess this one up. I saw someone saying the Espada might be ranked by power in their released state, but wouldn't that make Ulquiorra the number one or two, then? I mean, he said he's the only Espada who has reached this second released state. And also, if Yammy is the top Espada, what the hell is he doing, releasing inside the dome of Las Noches? Ulquiorra stated before that the top Espada are forbidden to release in the dome, because their power would surely destroy it. But then again, it seems as though Yammy never followed the orders of anyone to begin with, so this doesn't really have to mean much. ;d Anyways, even though all this weird shit happened just now, I kinda liked this chapter. I give it a 4/5. ^^; |
YamaroApr 17, 2009 5:26 AM
| I'm more worried about Kubo's ability to name his chapters than his severe ink problem. Though the ink problem must have manifested during the inking of his last few black chapters. |
blanclait said: idk why I even read bleach anymore.. Cause dropping it now will be a mockery of the wasted time you spent of the previous 353 chapters (Turn back the pendulum DO NOT COUNT)? |
| I think page 4 of this chapter exemplifies everything Bleach has become. Two words one one page. That's all. Two measly words. The way KT abuses panels is facepalm worthy. |
blanclait said: Dude, the big guy said he needs to reach full power, and that takes shitloads of time, as you can tell. While the other espadas don't need to charge up and become some gigantic dude. And also, since when was 0 better than 1? In terms of rank? The guy only said his number changed to 0. Nowhere did he say 0 was better than 1. Or even better than Ulquiorra. And I don't get where this assumption of 0 is better than 1 came from. Yes, in terms of rank, 1 is better than 2, since 1 = first and 2 = second. But 0 does not mean better than 1. 0 could very well mean the worst. 0 does not actually even belong on a ranking system. So don't, like, spout out your hatred based on some false logic you deem logical and it disregards it. I agree that Bleach does have its fallacies and inconsistencies along with Ichigo's x powerups, but don't exaggerate it with your "logic". Yes, I'd say this plot twist was badly done, but the points you listed are not consistent because you assume that 0 is better than 1. |
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| oh god... I can't stop laughing. This 'twist' was the most hilarious BS I've ever seen. I can't even begin to put into words how much this doesn't work for me. WTF indeed. |
| -_-....I'm not pleased with what just happened. Yammy becoming 0 was extremely stupid in my opinion.But it sure dumbstruck me. Not to mention the almost blank page,I was like 'omfg not again <_<' |
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| wow that was a surprise - that Yammy was the most powerful Espada 0__0 and Ulquiorra understanding what the heart is :3 well back to the other fight to change the scene |
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blanclait said: "-Aizen put ulquiorra in charge of las noches and NOT fatty And he left Yami there. Aizen is just that kind of batman, since when did it matter on what he said to his subordinates? blanclait said: -Yammy's arm was easily severed completely by ichigo without hollow form and then took a while to get reattached DBZ Powerlevel Physics. Scouters are useless, since character can power up and power down as much as he wants, thus if Yami was at his weakest "powerlevel", it makes sense. blanclait said: -promptly after getting his arm cut off yammy is easily beat down completely and pathetically by yoruichi unarmed The same reasoning as above. Not to mention that to me its seemed like that Yami never took anything there seriously. blanclait said: -he later gets the crap beat out of him by urahara effortlessly Same reasoning as above. Let's not forget that the strong ones mostly act as fools for the most of time. blanclait said: -he takes orders from the other espada like a dog Does he? Fool syndrome yet again. blanclait said: -the nappa syndrome: he is large and should be weak Hacchi disagrees. Urahara's assistant disagrees. Komamura disagrees. The Thing created by Halibel's subordinates disagrees. blanclait said: -he says "im a 10 too" to hitsaguya when he first shows up Did he state his full name? no. And yes he "is 10 too" , if you go by tattoo. blanclait said: -he releases under the dome which they aren't supposed to do Ulquiorra never said about any rules laid down to Cero Espada. Only for the 1 2 3 and 4. blanclait said: -got cut by a fraccion DBZ Powerlevel Physics Theory again. blanclait said: -ulquiorra, number FOUR says he is ranked FOURTH in power durr Its Madara all over again. The real leader/Captain stays hidden for as long as he wants, it could be that not many in the Espada knew the truth. blanclait said: -"who said the espada numbers go from 1-10" only fucking aizen and that other hollow guy who explained it all" - excerpt from anonymous "There are ten espada who are numbered by their power" 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 blanclait said: This chapter made no sense at all for me. It makes perfect sense. Foreshadowed with SS having "Zeroth Squad". Foreshadowed with Yammi being left to defend Las Noches. Foreshadowed with him surviving for so long. Foreshadowed with him surviving character attacks. Foreshadowed with him being the "usual shounen-genre "wise fool". Foreshadowed with him casually walking and talking around with Ulquiorra(considering the espada mostly regard those lower in number as simple trash). Foreshadowed with him being the only espada who has "two digit number", while usually two digits are the numeros numbering system and all espada have only one-digit numbers. |
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Tachii said: blanclait said: Dude, the big guy said he needs to reach full power, and that takes shitloads of time, as you can tell. While the other espadas don't need to charge up and become some gigantic dude. And also, since when was 0 better than 1? In terms of rank? The guy only said his number changed to 0. Nowhere did he say 0 was better than 1. Or even better than Ulquiorra. And I don't get where this assumption of 0 is better than 1 came from. Yes, in terms of rank, 1 is better than 2, since 1 = first and 2 = second. But 0 does not mean better than 1. 0 could very well mean the worst. 0 does not actually even belong on a ranking system. So don't, like, spout out your hatred based on some false logic you deem logical and it disregards it. I agree that Bleach does have its fallacies and inconsistencies along with Ichigo's x powerups, but don't exaggerate it with your "logic". Yes, I'd say this plot twist was badly done, but the points you listed are not consistent because you assume that 0 is better than 1. Actually blanclait is right. Kubo doesn't seem to worry too much about what he has previously written, so that's why whe find out that Rukia has the skill to have a high rank among Gotei 13 yet got beaten by the very first Hollow that appeared (don't come with the she was distracted thing, since that attack should not have worked on her taking in mind the power of these last oponents) and that two captains where supposed to be the only ones weilding double swords yet the vice-captain with the 69 tattoo on his face also has one of those too. If you're so concerned about the 0 thing, just take in mind that in japanese manga 0 is always the special one, the wild card or something like that. |
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| Yammy's a tank so he may have more power to be considered 0, but he could still not be the "strongest" and I'm sticking with the keyboard argument on this one. the U.S. version has 0 coming after 9 until you hit the number lock lol. Whether or not Yammy is the best espada out there, I must say that it was a stupid plot twist. |
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| What was that with Ulquiorra? I'm starting to think that he'll become a human because of he has a heart. Every nonsense is in this manga, Yammy becoming Espada 0?!? Now, Ulqui even can be garbage man of Soul Society... I won't be even surprised.. |
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blanclait said: Go to 2ch community or anywhere, that isn't overruled by bleach obssessed fanatics. The majority is dissapointed/ laughing. Even quite portion of the hardcore bleachfans are. Why should I do or care about that? Since when should the opinion of mainstream dumb masses have impact on my opinions? blanclait said: Do you know why? No matter what the writers' intents were, ya let say those ridiculous nonsense you posted up is actually true. The problem is: MAJORITY DID NOT GET IT. Their problem. Even though bleach is one of those mindless manga mostly read to pass time, I will hate any author who would sacrifice the "deeper' meaning he/she wanted, just so mainstream can get it. blanclait said: You think all movies are bad b/c it is badly written? No. Sometimes the director/writer executes so horribly, no one gets what he/she is trying to say. No one cares if you had the perfect blueprints of a house if the pipes are leaking and the roof is falling apart. Movies are bad when they are badly written or executed. Movies are not bad just because everyone and their dog are too lazy to think and find out why and what. Mainstream success does not mean that movies are good. it means that Movies are overrated. Execution was perfect for the build up presented. At least I can proudly say that the execution was better than in other mainstream shounen mindless manga(like Naruto, where Kishi "foreshadows" everything with blatant dirrection arrows for 1000 chapters and then makes a crappy reveal that "du duh its tru!"). blanclait said: If you ACTUALLY believe what you said is true, go to those large general anime communities not overruled by 12 yr olds, and prove it to them. Yet again why should I care what "majority" thinks? Why should I "prove" the opinion I have? blanclait said: If you have read my post properly you can see at the end: "Excerpt from anonymous" It wasn't my post, it was a collection of what people were saying. Attack the source. Yet, again. Had I cared what Majority thinks I would listen to Britney Spears, eminem, coldplay, etc and think that Madonna is god. blanclait said: If you prefer being in denial and merely want self assurance, you can post w/e you want here again to criticize my post. If "being in denial" means "having your own opinion" in your language, then I will proudly "be in denial". |
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blanclait said: Writing, songs, w/e. If you can't get your messaged acrossed to the majority it IS a failure. This has nothing to do with mainstream or not. Majority doesn't have to like it, but they must GET it. "if the majority doesn't get it its bad". I have to LOL at that, seriously. The genres like Progressive Metal or Death Metal, or Avantgarde Metal, or Experimental Metal, would not exist in music world then blanclait said: Do you even think pokemon & teletubbies are promoting homosexuality? I wouldn't be surprised if you said yes. B/c it is the same principle. Teletubbies are. And I don't see why such "creations" should be even discussed. Such a horrible brain-damaging stuff should be forgotten ASAP. blanclait said: I tell you to go to those sites b/c they will really tell you what's REALLY wrong with bleach. Oh, but I know "what's REALLY wrong with bleach". I don't need the masses to tell me what to think. I know what I don't like and that's enough. blanclait said: Since even You know that your opinions are nothing but trash. Not even a plausible theory. You are fully aware of this. And you know you will get beaten down in seconds with a theory like that on stage. If you want to bullshit you BS, you BS like Dan Brown. This isn't even an attempt. LOLTROLLS. X) |
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| lolol, so this means Yammy is the strongest now? Sounds pure blasphemy to me. |
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| Blanclait you lose, I approve of Fai, I mostly think as he does. You are stupid and think the world revolve about your sole knowledge, because you didn't understood something don't mean that it's not to be understood by anyone. I'm not laughing at you don't worry, just facepalming because all the point you bring hold no values against some point of Fai made (not every point) who actually hold values. |
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| Yammy = Hulk. This does answer how Yammy thought he could help Ulquiorra in chp 343. He could have the most destructive power out of all the espada. He released under the dome as well, so shouldn't Los Noches be destroyed? Going to be some interesting chapters coming up. |
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| I thought the whole chapter made perfect sense in every way. I mean, EVERYTHING was spelled out in easy to read print. If you need everything explained in easy to read kindergarden, go read Naruto and drop Bleach already. I'd always assumed there was a reason Ulqui kept close to Yammy, and it was foreshadowed enough. Ulquiorra's little heart speach as was a little short for my likeing, but highly affective. And as for the blank page? The title is The Heart. Think about it. blanclait said: Writing, songs, w/e. If you can't get your messaged acrossed to the majority it IS a failure. This has nothing to do with mainstream or not. Majority doesn't have to like it, but they must GET it. WRONG! If 1 person gets what you've writen/drawn/expressed than it's not a failure. In case you didn't know, the majority of North America doesn't 'get' anime. So i guess animes a failure over here. Plus, a good writer writes for HIMSELF not for the majority. |
| No one dies in Bleach. Scratch that, my logic fails me once again.... |
| Wow. There really is no reason repeatably call out someone's opinion. You don't have to agree with and more importantly, they don't have to agree with you. Just let it go. :| Yammy is really powerful after he rests for days collecting power. So? Rukia becomes more powerful after resting in Soul Society. Isshin randomly has his power restored. Yammy may be 0 when he collects power, but that doesn't mean he's going to be the official leader of the espada since his power isn't constant. At least Wonderweiss hasn't been revealed as espada -1. Yet. |
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adamantine said: Wow. There really is no reason repeatably call out someone's opinion. You don't have to agree with and more importantly, they don't have to agree with you. Just let it go. :| Yammy is really powerful after he rests for days collecting power. So? Rukia becomes more powerful after resting in Soul Society. Isshin randomly has his power restored. Yammy may be 0 when he collects power, but that doesn't mean he's going to be the official leader of the espada since his power isn't constant. At least Wonderweiss hasn't been revealed as espada -1. Yet. lol I would love to see that happen. fans everywhere would cry. |
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| I don't feel like fighting over terms of that 'getting it' is. adamantine said: At least Wonderweiss hasn't been revealed as espada -1. Yet. Well, he is probably Aizens secret weapon... Kubo doesn't often just make random charactures for absolutely no purpose. At least none I cna think of... Maybe his release will make him some really smart smexy blonde hunk. I'm sure the fangirls would like that. :) |
| No one dies in Bleach. Scratch that, my logic fails me once again.... |
madsweeney said: crazy_eights said: dumbest twist ever.so while ichigo had problems with a 4 espada, now they have to fight the strongest, the zero espada. GAY. well i guess i knew kubo would find a way to fuck it up. What. Exactly. The FUCK. Are YOU. Talking about? Yeah, they have to fight Espada 0. What makes that gay? Are you capable of vocalizing your disapproval like a human being? LiarK, you're right on the money. Why can we all talk/write/express ourselves without being complete fucktards? ....since you are incapable of using brain power, let me go step by step. Ulq is the 4th espada. ichigo has been fighting him and was getting his ass kicked by a number 4 espada until he did his uber transformation. so if ichigo, who had the hollow side to help him out in his fights, how is it expected for them to win without something dumb/gay happening. also this whole turn of events are GAY for the simple reason that Yami just powered up out of nowhere and for no reason at all, so he went from the weakest espada to the strongest. that's just dumb/random/out of nowhere. oh and since you can't understand who they are....it refers to renji and co. @Tachii the reason why 0 is assumed to be the strongest bc of how it was said. 0 to 9. meaning that the zero comes before the one. |
| Yammy is the strongest? Wow I wasn't expecting this. |
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| So, do the majority in this thread thinks that this chapter was TEH BS or just plain awesome? |
| well accordin to the poll on top, 40% think it was 5/5 and 18% said 4/5 so I'd say majority thought it was awesome. |
| No one dies in Bleach. Scratch that, my logic fails me once again.... |
| Wow. Espada 0? That was pretty awesome and and bogus. Who does that? 0-9? Get outta here. |
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| That WAS a twist, right? That was SUPPOSED to be a twist?!!!! XD |
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| ROFLMAO YAMMY HAHAHAHAHA is all I have to say. Way to go KT going all CompSci on us with the 0-9 thing? & No wonder Yammy like disappeared for the whole Hueco Mundo arc. He's the final boss lol. Also, UlquiHime much? Mmm wanna bet Ulqui is not really dead? XD |
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| "Here I've been sleeping and eating like crazy to build uo my spiritual energy..." -Yammy "I'm the only espada whose number changes when i've reachedmy full strength" - Yammy That the reason, why he became stronger -.- So sometime he is 10# and sometimes is 0#, probably thats going to be temporary |
Neumannjorge said: "Here I've been sleeping and eating like crazy to build uo my spiritual energy..." -Yammy "I'm the only espada whose number changes when i've reachedmy full strength" - Yammy That the reason, why he became stronger -.- So sometime he is 10# and sometimes is 0#, probably thats going to be temporary I'll have to say that is probably Yammy's "special ability", just like how certain espada had unique traits to them. Yammy's "special ability" is the large fluctuation of power he is able to build. His power ranges from being the lowest to the highest when he's fully rested. He's like a wildcard. |
WasabiApr 17, 2009 10:56 AM
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| Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiight~ No wonder Kubo didnt kill him back then... and that time before... |
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| This is just s weird. I can take everything: Ulquiorra's release, the freaky monster on Karakura, Madarame loosing, Ichigo turning Arrancarish out of desperation BUT Yammy turning 0 that is just ....WTF! I didnt even find it believable Im guessing something good is going to happen |
| okay...? Ulquiorra gets an even more extended death sequence that was like a right-before-death convert. Yammy is the strongest? eww. so wait... Yammy is numbers 0 and 10? so the strongest dude gets 'demoted' to hide who's the strongest? that's a stupid plot twist. but at least that fight is DEFINITELY over. now we can move on. |
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brandymallory said: well accordin to the poll on top, 40% think it was 5/5 and 18% said 4/5 so I'd say majority thought it was awesome. I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought it was awesome BS. I'm not sure whether it was so ridiculous or just plain bad but it's sure as hell more entertaining than the usual mediocrity. |
| What the fuck... Please, stop with that shit. Still Ulquiorra? Just let the shit die. Anyway now Yammy is the 0, maybe Kubo wants to redeem himself by doing a good fight after that crappy Ulquiorra Vs. WtfIchigo. Well i see the good side of this chapter, Inoue didn't moan "Kurosaki-kun!", otherwise i would have cut my wrists. And hell, Hitsugaya being beated up by Halibel is for the lulz. So, lets say that Yammy turns out to be the number 0 espada wich makes him the 'Stronger' one, Ichigo beats the shit out of him. That means that Stark and the others are more weak than him? Obviusly that means that the Vizards wouldn't have to come and fight those 3 on Kurakura town. But... we will see at least kyoraku's Bankai and the rest. I wish Kubo could stop making those bullshit plotwist. |
| I was hoping for more Ulquiorra. :< Some flashback or something. That's a shame. And the action with Yammy was such a cheating... oO |
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| lol i actually thought it was good. didn't like the idea that ulqi may have loved orihime but that's another story. lol. can't wait to see what happens next. |
| Yammy is the strongest one!? You gotta be kidding me -.-" |
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blanclait said: Alright. The reason I went against your initial post was that many of points was exaggerated to state how bad Bleach was. I DO agree that the story line has its own inconsistencies, but it's not that bad. Most of your points, that you happened to list, are essentially raging about how bad Kubo had written the story because of your assumption that Yammy had become the "best". But many people now had already stated that Yammy's power fluctuates, he's not the best because he does not possess that power constantly, and he needs to 'charge up' for a long time in order to reach that stage. Is it that hard for the "majority" to figure that out? He's not the best, simple as that. And it's a bit strong to call my views "nonsense", when it makes sense.The way you force wishful thinking , I can't bare to watch it any longer. Go to 2ch community or anywhere, that isn't overruled by bleach obssessed fanatics. The majority is dissapointed/ laughing. Even quite portion of the hardcore bleachfans are. Do you know why? No matter what the writers' intents were, ya let say those ridiculous nonsense you posted up is actually true. The problem is: MAJORITY DID NOT GET IT. Also, characters are fluid, and not static. Just because in the past, say for example, Rukia got owned by a low level Hollow, and now is on par with a vice-captain, does not mean it's an inconsistency. She had untapped potential, she's kin with Byakuya, who happens to be very strong, it's not even a twist to say that Rukia had grown powerful. I can't help but notice that people lately had started bashing popular shounen mangas with any points they could think of. The one thing, personally, I disliked about Bleach was its ranking system. It led many people, and since the targeted audience is teens, to believe that the rankings ALWAYS stayed the same. If person A is stronger than person B, then person A will ALWAYS be stronger than person B. Which is. Not. True. And sometimes Kubo does that, but he doesn't properly explain why person B had become stronger. And even if Kubo did explain, many viewers would think it either uncreative, or stupid. It doesn't really leave him to a lot of choice. He started the framework, and it was not even close to excellence. That's it for my wall of texts for now. *sighs* Lastly, I respect your opinion, and all of the "majority"'s opinions. I just want to caution you guys to actually think, just on your own, and not looking to others, and figure out what's going on before agreeing with the rest and hating something more than you need to. |
| Uloquirra found out what a heart is... awwww |
| hahaha. yammy! yea, pacing is picking up the slack from the previous chapters now, looks like. hopefully it wont be mostly convo/single attack chapters |
xdzzz said: So much MCR fucked up his head.Uloquirra found out what a heart is... awwww |
| Really? Yammy is 0???? That's an interesting twist. Can't wait to see how that develops. And yay! We finally go back to Halibel and Hitsugaya's fight. I've had enough of Ichigo for the time being. |
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Animegal9215 said: Really? Yammy is 0???? That's an interesting twist. reading this makes me want to shoot myself. |
| Oh my god...I thought I was reading power rangers... |
| WHO SAID THE TEN MAL SCORES GO FROM ONE TO TEN!?!? BLEACH IS THE ONLY MANGA THAT TURNS INTO A ZERO WHEN IT REACHES FULL POWER. |
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