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Aug 28, 2013 10:58 PM

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Cuz we don't like faggots. That's why!
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Aug 28, 2013 11:23 PM

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OP that's like asking why more people like lesbian porn more than they like male gay porn.
Aug 28, 2013 11:29 PM

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People like what appeals to them and dislike what doesn't. That's all there is to it.
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Aug 28, 2013 11:34 PM

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Because ppl as serious fucking problems accepting what others like, that's why :/
Aug 28, 2013 11:39 PM
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I don't prefer neither but if I was forced to pick 1 it would have to be yuri because female on female is hotter then male on male.
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Mirati said:
Cuz we don't like faggots. That's why!


That word is very offensive. Sure the original meaning was somebody who was meant to be burned, or at least that's what the insult means. But I think I speak for everybody when I say that there is no run for Biggots on anime forums, I've been picked on enough.
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Aug 28, 2013 11:46 PM

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moonkingdomify said:
Mirati said:
Cuz we don't like faggots. That's why!


That word is very offensive. Sure the original meaning was somebody who was meant to be burned, or at least that's what the insult means. But I think I speak for everybody when I say that there is no run for Biggots on anime forums, I've been picked on enough.


Stop being such a moralfag
Aug 28, 2013 11:48 PM

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opinions that's why
Aug 28, 2013 11:57 PM

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if were are talking about real gaaruzu rabu manga.. and not shameless fanserve-productions and hardcore hentai.. yuri anime is made for girls. I would say 95% of all yuri is made for girls. Same with yaoi.. it's made for girls. In Japan guys just stay 50ft from yuri and yaoi at don't really cares what goes on in those manga.

I think the only haters of yaoi are white 15 old homophobic virgins. ie MAL
Yuri is for girls? really? 0.o


definately for girls.. even yuri hentai is mainly for girls. big manga store have a level marked for men one for girls... you can only get yaoi and yuri hentai on the girls level. Tentacles and bondage for the men :D

sometimes i chill out on the girls level to watch hot girls flicking through yuri hentai mangas. turns me on. but i only go on the girls floor when im with a girl.. otherwise i would probably scare all the girls away xD
Aug 29, 2013 12:03 AM

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Isn't it the other way round?

I know way more people who like yaoi than people who like yuri.
Aug 29, 2013 12:05 AM

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So lesbian manga's are made for girl and gay manga's are made also for girls?
It doesn't seems right to me
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Aug 29, 2013 12:09 AM

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because its girl on girl which is hotter
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Aug 29, 2013 12:18 AM

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Mirati said:
So lesbian manga's are made for girl and gay manga's are made also for girls?
It doesn't seems right to me


yuri appeals to girls because the relationships are more gentle and sensitive.. there is a sweetness about it. and yaoi appeals to girls because 1, the guys are feminine gentle,2, there aint no other bitches talking to the guys they like, and 3, some girls dont like girls in anime because they are so weak/annoying/dominated
Aug 29, 2013 1:25 AM

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How come yaoi gets official releases on a regular basis (And its own section inside some of the manga stores I've been too) while yuri doesn't get jack shit? Quit your whining. Can't you just be grateful that Free exists?
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It just that most BL lovers are frequent Tumblr and Fanfiction-visitors. They hardly come here.
which is why most people you met are BL haters/yuri fans.
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Falcie said:
Is it because there are more males in MAL? That's the most logical explanation actually...

That, but only by a bit. However, depending on where you are, chances are they're more active (e.g. forums).

Slayermaster said:
Sexuality demographics. Most people are heterosexual, statistically*, that's about it.

Like that explains anything. BL and yaoi are aimed at straight girls, too. *facepalm*

And about Yuri, that was initially aimed at girls, but now there is also yuri for guys, although I have to say I have only found yuri with an ecchi tag or something else that indicates it's for guys on MAL (I'm not interested in the first place, though).

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5-10% are gay and like yaoi.

...Ô.o
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Because people feel insulted when a male character is more attractive than them, and is sexualized.

It doesn't even have to be a yaoi, and people will bash it for being a yaoi.

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Quit your whining. Can't you just be grateful that Free exists?
Case and point. :)
Aug 29, 2013 1:55 AM

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I honestly like both as long as the romance is handled correctly.
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Pocketasces said:
Hiryu12 said:
Pocketasces said:
if were are talking about real gaaruzu rabu manga.. and not shameless fanserve-productions and hardcore hentai.. yuri anime is made for girls. I would say 95% of all yuri is made for girls. Same with yaoi.. it's made for girls. In Japan guys just stay 50ft from yuri and yaoi at don't really cares what goes on in those manga.

I think the only haters of yaoi are white 15 old homophobic virgins. ie MAL
Yuri is for girls? really? 0.o


definately for girls.. even yuri hentai is mainly for girls. big manga store have a level marked for men one for girls... you can only get yaoi and yuri hentai on the girls level. Tentacles and bondage for the men :D

sometimes i chill out on the girls level to watch hot girls flicking through yuri hentai mangas. turns me on. but i only go on the girls floor when im with a girl.. otherwise i would probably scare all the girls away xD
LOL! Hahahaha, plus you might be branded as a pedobear... xD

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-Muuse- said:
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Because yaoi is a bunch of gay dudes and that's gay while yuri has the chance of hot girls going all out lesbian which is more awesomer
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I like tits, not dicks.

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Because girl on girl is hot and male on male is eww.
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more males watch anime.

This sums everything up.


Quite ... plus yuri feels much more subtle as opposed to yaoi on my part. Plus watching fujoshi's squeal and cackle over a ship between ridiculously feminine looking guys is not the most pleasant thing to listen to.
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Red_Keys said:
Because people feel insulted when a male character is more attractive than them, and is sexualized.

It doesn't even have to be a yaoi, and people will bash it for being a yaoi.

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Quit your whining. Can't you just be grateful that Free exists?
Case and point. :)
That's not even what I'm saying, but good job taking it out of conext. The point is that fujoshi are constantly complaining about how oppressed they are when in actual fact they get plenty of stuff tailor made for them. At the last convention I went to, I couldn't go five minutes without seeing a stand selling explicit yaoi. Not to mention all the artist stalls selling Free stuff and drawings of Levi and Eren that leave little to the imagination

The problem isn't yuri fans hating on people for liking yaoi. It's the yaoi fans that have the screwed up notion that yuri fans are out to get them.
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Face_Faith said:
Falcie said:
Is it because there are more males in MAL? That's the most logical explanation actually...

That, but only by a bit. However, depending on where you are, chances are they're more active (e.g. forums).

Slayermaster said:
Sexuality demographics. Most people are heterosexual, statistically*, that's about it.

Like that explains anything. BL and yaoi are aimed at straight girls, too. *facepalm*

And about Yuri, that was initially aimed at girls, but now there is also yuri for guys, although I have to say I have only found yuri with an ecchi tag or something else that indicates it's for guys on MAL (I'm not interested in the first place, though).

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5-10% are gay and like yaoi.

...Ô.o
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Aug 29, 2013 3:58 AM

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I don't watch either
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I'm going to give an opinion from a man's perspective. We usually view women as something pure and other men as something dirty. So in a typical male brain seeing girl on girl action causes an "Ahh, nice" reaction and a man to man action causes a "Ugh, yuck!" reaction.
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Boltz said:
I'm going to give an opinion from a man's perspective. We usually view women as something pure and other men as something dirty. So in a typical male brain seeing girl on girl action causes an "Ahh, nice" reaction and a man to man action causes a "Ugh, yuck!" reaction.


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Aug 29, 2013 4:43 AM

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The unfortunate little group that often hate on Yaoi, have their own category that is strictly used to label those individuals

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Aug 29, 2013 5:19 AM

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Question, is yuri/yaoi entirely within fan-ships? Or is there a whole homosexual romance sub genre?

Is it just homosexual pornography or romance?

I'm not very knowledgable on this.

Also, how is homosexuality viewed in Japan as opposed to America?
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I don't hate on yaoi, I just don't watch it. They all seem like fanservice with no plot and no real characters.
I like yuri but I didn't like Strawberry Panic for the same reason.
Aug 29, 2013 8:04 AM

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Double Standard, obviously.
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Litrydow said:
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Because yaoi is a bunch of gay dudes and that's gay while yuri has the chance of hot girls going all out lesbian which is more awesomer

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Slayermaster said:
Question, is yuri/yaoi entirely within fan-ships? Or is there a whole homosexual romance sub genre?

Is it just homosexual pornography or romance?

I'm not very knowledgable on this.

Also, how is homosexuality viewed in Japan as opposed to America?


Yes, this is a genre of itself and there are official mangas/anime with this as their main point.

And it can be both sexually explicit or focus on the romantic aspects of the relationship. Well, at least for Yuri, dunno much about yaoi. (And for Yuri at least I'd say you have more series with non-explicit content than the other way around)
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SaberKurisu said:
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Because people feel insulted when a male character is more attractive than them, and is sexualized.

It doesn't even have to be a yaoi, and people will bash it for being a yaoi.

SaberKurisu said:
Quit your whining. Can't you just be grateful that Free exists?
Case and point. :)
That's not even what I'm saying, but good job taking it out of conext. The point is that fujoshi are constantly complaining about how oppressed they are when in actual fact they get plenty of stuff tailor made for them. At the last convention I went to, I couldn't go five minutes without seeing a stand selling explicit yaoi. Not to mention all the artist stalls selling Free stuff and drawings of Levi and Eren that leave little to the imagination

The problem isn't yuri fans hating on people for liking yaoi. It's the yaoi fans that have the screwed up notion that yuri fans are out to get them.


That's going to happen with a lot of things, and in almost any place that you go. Girls have a slight advantage in the fact that, no matter where or what it is, they can argue that they are oppressed, and hence, they deserve more. They will never be happy, even when they are ahead or things are equal. They've grown this mentality that, no matter how much they get, the other side of it always has more.

Personally speaking, I've been completely ostracized by fujoshis at conventions before. Now, what did I do in return? Nothing, I basically just said, "Sorry for bothering you girls"

Now, the catch is that in response they said, "You better be sorry. You guys shouldn't even argue what good anime is, because you have no taste"

It felt horrible to hear something like that, but do those girls represent the whole demographic? No. I've met plenty of nice Fujoshis in the past, but there are good ones and bad ones.

It just goes to show that there are good people and bad people on either side of the argument, and the fujoshis are getting an equal amount to Yuri Fans, if not more. Arguing and saying, "Well we need more Yaoi, and fanservice for girls because the Anime community is run by men and set for men" May have a sliver of truth to it, but the vast majority of it is pure hyperbole.

Nobody should be arguing that "they deserve more" or are "entitled" to more things. Further more, nobody should argue that one is better than the other.

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Aug 29, 2013 8:34 AM
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Its pretty much there is more to see.

For guys there is more Vagina's, arses and tits
for Girls more cock and arses to see.

Even though the genitals are pretty much bluurred.
Aug 29, 2013 8:37 AM

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Both are pretty gay in my opinion.
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>all these stupid answers

Sigh...


It's more common for straight males to be disgusted by gays where it's not as common for woman with lesbians.
Also the MAL userbase probably have more males.

Don't confuse hating yaoi with hating yaoi fangirls, most of them are obnoxious.


There are people out there that hate certain series/genres/demographics just because of the fans. I listed that people can hate Yaoi only because fangirls, since there are people in this world who do exactly that. I didn't necessarily mean hating Yaoi and hating Yaoi fangirls is basically the same thing, if you’re talking about my post that is.

Also, I meant that if you hate Yaoi because of the Fujoshis, then the reason with hating it isn't understandable. You should dislike the fangirls, not Yaoi itself. Saying that you dislike the plot-less fanservice makes more sense than saying you hate Fujoshis. But I don’t really care if someone’s reason of hating something makes absolute sense or not, I just won’t involve myself in it.

And then there are just people who think both Yuri and Yaoi are disgusting because it's gay…


Personally speaking, you shouldn't question anyone's reasoning for disliking a genre/type of show that isn't meant for their demographic.

I wouldn't ever question a girl for disliking a "pure ecchi anime," for it's not directed at them in regards to what the producers/writers intend.

I do understand finding it weird that people would dislike a type of thing because of its fans. However, people like to relate common things, so psychologically speaking, it's really not that strange. Now, this doesn't mean that it's not uncalled for, but it's not that ridiculous.


I can understand your reasoning on why we shouldn't really judge other people and how they enter anime genres, but I really can’t understand how some people can hate fans of a fanbase, thus hating the genre itself while not even checking it out. But, I’m based on a philosophy that you should at least check out a genre before hating it, no matter how dumb it sounds.

Although I’m not naïve enough to forget that people have opinions different from mine and that I should understand others, so I can agree with your reply, but hating a genre purely because of a fanbase still sounds a little ridiculous in my head.


I think you've misunderstood me. I don't hate the genre because of the fanbase. Do I find the fanbase a bit annoying? Yes. Is that the reason why I don't watch Yaoi? Not at all. I've tried Yaoi before, and it's just not my cup of tea. I don't like watching a submissive guy get dominated by what seems to be a stereotypical shoujo-prince lead. It's just not the kind of romance that I enjoy.

Now, will I go out of my way to try Yaoi? No. It's not directed at me as a straight male, so it's harder for me to actually find entertainment value in it. It also boils down to the fact that the romance comes out as very cliche, and overdone. That's just my opinion though.

However, I can deal with Yaoi themes. I love seeing some subtle-yaoi themes in Josei anime/manga.


I wasn't referring to you though. I was saying that there are people in this world that can hate a fanbase, and hate the genre itself purely because of that reason. I remember you saying the reason you dislike Yaoi was because of the plot-less fanservice, which I think makes more sense than just saying "I hate Yaoi because of the fujoshis"

But then again, the demographic is not targeted to straight males, so I can understand why most MAL users don't like Yaoi at all.

Oh, and yeah, Fujoshis can be horribly annoying.
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Both are pretty gay in my opinion.


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Simple, guys like tits, and girls like dicks.
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for males, they love yuri but hate yaoi.
for females, they love yaoi but hate yuri.(imo)


and most of the anime lovers are males.
Aug 29, 2013 12:32 PM
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I'm just going to say that anime adaptations for both parties have always been pretty crappy.
Aug 29, 2013 12:34 PM

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I don't like either.
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SaberKurisu said:
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Because people feel insulted when a male character is more attractive than them, and is sexualized.

It doesn't even have to be a yaoi, and people will bash it for being a yaoi.

SaberKurisu said:
Quit your whining. Can't you just be grateful that Free exists?
Case and point. :)
That's not even what I'm saying, but good job taking it out of conext. The point is that fujoshi are constantly complaining about how oppressed they are when in actual fact they get plenty of stuff tailor made for them. At the last convention I went to, I couldn't go five minutes without seeing a stand selling explicit yaoi. Not to mention all the artist stalls selling Free stuff and drawings of Levi and Eren that leave little to the imagination

The problem isn't yuri fans hating on people for liking yaoi. It's the yaoi fans that have the screwed up notion that yuri fans are out to get them.
You took my post more seriously than I intended you to :(

And you're right about yaoi fans getting more "stuff", but well, when the term "fujoshit" is a popular internet phrase, and any fan of yaoi is looked upon as a disgusting heathen, getting demographic-specific material isn't really the concern here. It's the general attitude toward the genre and the fans.

Nobody hates yuri fans. At least, nobody I know of.

And it's funny you mention going to a convention and having the utter displeasure of being forced to witness the horrid yaoi stands. Kind of proving my point :/

Yaoi fans don't complain about not having yaoi stuff. In fact, yaoi fans, from what Ive seen, seem to be very creative and proactive with their hobby. I mean, have you seen the amount of SnK yaoi doujins? No no, they complain about being hated on because of their hobby.

If a show has a yuri esque fan-service scene, that otherwise isn't a yuri, nobody bats an eye. There may be some sarcastic comments in the episode discussion about how it's cheap fan service, but really nothing more.

Have a yaoi esque scene, and well, people drop the show and rate it a 1. See Shinsekai Yori (that had both yuri and yaoi, but people only dropped it for the yaoi. Or at least, the ones immature enough to announce their disgust with the show to the forums only dropped it for the yaoi).
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The same reason why lesbian porn is rejoiced and gay porn is shunned.

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OP, you might as well ask "Why do guys like girls more than boys?"
Aug 29, 2013 1:23 PM

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You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?" And it would have worked. Seriously, I go in the recommendations and all I see is "I'm up for anything, just not yaoi or yuri."

Anyway, I like yaoi better but I do enjoy yuri from time to time. Although some people are really immature about it and say "Oh mai gawd why dafuq did dat guy kis dat uther guy?" Well not like that, but you get the immaturity over it.
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MEanimaniac1 said:
You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?"

Wait, it's homophobic to not like watching yaoi/yuri?
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mayukachan said:
MEanimaniac1 said:
You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?"

Wait, it's homophobic to not like watching yaoi/yuri?

Yes, if you think about it, it is.
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MEanimaniac1 said:
You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?" And it would have worked. Seriously, I go in the recommendations and all I see is "I'm up for anything, just not yaoi or yuri."

To be fair....and I really mean this....I don't think most people who say they don't like yaoi or yuri are homophobic.

I consider myself VERY open minded and tolerant.

However, some things just do not appeal to me....and two dudes going at it is one of those things.

UNLESS...one of the dudes looks like a girl (trap) then I'm not going for it.

In the end this has to do with sexual preferences.
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MEanimaniac1 said:
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MEanimaniac1 said:
You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?"

Wait, it's homophobic to not like watching yaoi/yuri?

Yes, if you think about it, it is.
I wouldn't say not liking yaoi/yuri is homophobic, because they both indicate porn with explicit sex. Shows/manga in this genre are usually fan-service oriented and have very predominant sexual themes. Straight guys don't like gay porn. That's pretty understandable.

Shounen-ai and shoujo-ai, on the other hand, are not pornographic or otherwise sexually explicit. So I'd say that disliking that is homophobic.
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MEanimaniac1 said:
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MEanimaniac1 said:
You could have even posted "Why are people so homophobic about anime?"

Wait, it's homophobic to not like watching yaoi/yuri?

Yes, if you think about it, it is.

So, it's homophobic for people to be uncomfortable with watching two guys kissing?
If so, would it be heterophobic for people to be uncomfortable with watching two people kiss? I have a friend who's heterosexual and doesn't like watching people kiss and have sex etc.
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Shounen-ai and shoujo-ai, on the other hand, are not pornographic or otherwise sexually explicit. So I'd say that disliking that is homophobic.

In what context?

I personally DO dislike shounen-ai because I generally dislike romance drama, but even then what exactly would appeal to me in a story about a homosexual relationship?

In a Heterosexual relationship, at least I can relate to that, seeing as I've actually been in a heterosexual relationship and thus I can understand it.

But since I'm not gay or bi, I can't relate to homosexual relationships.....hell, this goes for shoujo-ai as well.

The only reason I would watch shoujo-ai is to be enticed by it, not to actually care for it in the same way I would a heterosexual relationship.
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