Naruto Chapter 635 Discussion

pp813 said:

>Tsunade's wrinkles... wait why was she in 2 pieces?! 0.0
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Ramkec said:
And so again the fight where Obito is supposed to show off his skills is fucking skipped.

Plus what's even worse, dude has Rinnengan, Senju cells, and is half Zetsu, now you tell me how in the hell is he losing to Kakashi?

Come on Kishi man, get your shit together.

Ramkec said:
And so again the fight where Obito is supposed to show off his skills is fucking skipped.

Plus what's even worse, dude has Rinnengan, Senju cells, and is half Zetsu, now you tell me how in the hell is he losing to Kakashi?

Come on Kishi man, get your shit together.

fitzytail89 said:
Isn't anyone wondering about Yamato's fate?! and where are Guy, Lee and Tenten? Everyone forgot about them ever since Neji died!!!

BiscuitRoot said:
This chapter was seriously all over the place @_@.
Sakura's smile was creepy...

SolBlade said:
Tsunade, Y U NO die?

Also, Orochimaru better have some sort of evil plan.

Kanic said:
Sasuke returns with little effort, Tsunade returns from the dead after a recieving a fatality and Orochimaru is now a comedian. Ironically, for a war these chapters are the most happy-go-round of the manga. I can dig the author wanting to end the manga on a nice note but this is stretching it.

Dr_Smurph said:

Just because Sasuke has come back doesn't mean his intentions and plans will match up to everyone's liking.

Tsunade had the mark on her head still, which could have been keeping her alive.

...orochimaru, is what he is.

Happy? Neji died it hasn't all been happy.

So much could happen, it most likely will end on a nice note but we still have a ways to go. Give it time.

ricardocsc said:
Things are getting really boring, cuz there is no death in a war...wtf!?

thracias said:
Since Tsunade's back, I guess that means Naruto isn't finishing any time soon, unless Tsunade retires or something. At this rate, I bet even Neji and Shikaku will find some way to revive. This is one stupid "war".

Kanic said:
Don't take the following post as bashing (especially not towards you :) )

1) Sasuke's part was poorly handled and quite easily the worst part of the series.
His hatred and naruto chasing after him was pretty much one of the most important plot devices and Part 2's driving engine and while it had become incredibly repetitive and mundane taking care of it in this manner screams bad writing, ESPECIALLY when yu consider the fact that the story that made him good was the story that drove him mad in the first place (ch.400~~), essentially negating the overall development of the characters and their actions. But to give credit where credit is due, I agree with you and like his current standpoint where he is not portrayed as an absolute angel.

Kanic said:
2)Orochimaru has been reduced from a villain to a comedic anti-hero of sorts. His interest in Sasuke's personality and political goals is entirely inconsistent with his desire to master all jutsu and while I do like multiple dimensions to a character, this is highly unreasonable considering he went to such great lengths for it. I honestly don't see how this can work for him and while I welcome any sort of plot twist right now I'm too distracted by the ACTUAL climax of the series to really care.

Kanic said:
3)There's suspension of disbelief and just thinking I'm plain stupid. Healing jutsu was never implied to sumplement vital organs or reattach limbs (especially since everyone constantly wasted their time during battles pointing out how their enemies are going after vital organs for the sake of instant-incurable death). Having Katsuyu keep tsuande alive for so long is the same as reattaching a head. Also, tsunade said she would dedicate the last of her chakra into healing the Kages not herself since she is a lost cause. To actually pull so much off even after fighting madara must mean that she has infinite chakra.....which is quite propable since this is Naruto. It's a hax quite at the level of Nagato's revival jutsu.

Kanic said:
4)And one last thing I remembered that adds to the overall bad writing of the latest chapters...Why didn't Sakura use her byakogu(or whatever is callled) in her fight against Sasori when she came THIS close to dying? Why didn't she use it during Pain's raid to aid the village? Pretty much for the sole purpose of revealing it at the very end to make seem equally badass, disregarding any other fact whatsoever.

Kanic said:
5) And finally Karin forgiving Sasuke out of pure comedy about S&M play while she almost died is just plain stupid.

Kanic said:
THIS is stretching it and rather than keeping us guessing as to what happens next we are pretty much been showcased every character's power one last time having us believe that everyone added a little bit towards defeating Madara, convincing us that Naruto is in fact about the nakama them and , like I said, ending the manga on a nice note. I'm willing to give it as much time as it wants, heck it can have full-fledged arc after that, I don't mind, but I'll critisice what I'm given up to this point.

souledge94 said:
Is naruto ending anytime soon?

prism2525 said:
So it seems Sasuke isn't planning to backstab anyone so far, but he just wants to have his way and 'change the system' and to hell with the others' opinion.

Also Orochimaru's on observer mode now? What if he gets bored with waiting or doesn't like how the wind blows?

Aloxamax said:


Well, I would say that this problem doesn't concern Kishimoto's decisions, but rather the way he presented Sasuke's developement to us.

Sasuke has barely changed ever since learning the truth about Itachi, the only thing that has changed is his understanding of a Shinobi's responsabilities.

First, he wanted to destroy Konoha, because it was the village that caused so much pain and suffering to his beloved Nii-san. Then after dealing with Kabuto, he learns that despite that, Itachi still loved Konoha, that causes a conflict inside of Sasuke: his brother still loves the place that has caused him so much pain and he wants to destroy it.

That's why he goes to Konoha to talk with the Hokages, he wants to know what a Shinobi truly is. There he learns that a Shinobi is the one who endures the pain and the hatred to see their ideals realized. THAT created a cycle, where Shinobi of conflicting ideals and beliefs start to harbor hatred against one another.

That resulted in the Uchiha being ostrasized by the village (who wanted someone to blame for the Kyuubi incident, a bit like Naruto) to the point of them wanting to rebel (the Uchiha started hating the rest of the village too). That forced Itachi to make a decision, that ended up with the massacre of the Uchiha clan (his love for the village forced him to endure the pain of losing all of his family).

All of this ends up with Sasuke, who is now stuck inside this cycle, wanting to act upon his hatred yet hating having to. He decides because of it that he will break the cycle, he will become Hokage and create a world where someone like Itachi won't have to exist.

Of course, because of the fact that he is no Naruto, Sasuke doesn't rely want to rely on others, he wants to do it alone, in his own way.



Well, Orochimaru's reasons for attacking Konoha were not yet revealed, so that's still in question. But other than that, Orochimaru's character was never truly defined, so it's not like it's that much of a big change. This recent 'change' can be explained by the fact that he sees himself in Sasuke, yet Sasuke has had the courage to try and do something which he could not: both of them acknowledged the cycle of hatred that binds the ninja world, but Sasuke is the only one who is actually trying to do something about it. I guess you could say that it has motivated Orochimaru and transformed him into who he used to be (atleast a bit), he started to believe in Sasuke's mission. That's actually a good master-student relationship, who would've thought?



Back in Naruto part 1, the first time Tsunade activated her Byakugou against Orochimaru, she said that she would not die in battle, so it's safe to say that it can heal pretty much anything. I think the main point is that the jutsu (or Katsuyu) can keep the cells in her body from dying, if they're alive, they can replicate themselves and create new tissue. If the two parts of her body are connected and with the accelerated replication the Jutsu offers, it should be no problem for her to recuperate as long as she has the chakra for it.

Of course, this time she didn't actually have the chakra for it, so she was going to die, that's where Karing comes in, being the one that heals her.



Okay, Sakura's problem could possibly be explained by two things:

1 - From what we know, the Byakugou is almost a one time thing for her, she has gathered chakra for 3 years, why would she waste something like that to fight against Sasori a simple missing-nin, in a mission that doesn't even directly concern Konoha? Against Pain, it probably wouldn't been much help, I mean, taijutsu against Pain? really?

2 - It's possible that she couldn't even do the Jutsu. The Byakugou isn't a sealing technique, it's ninjutsu. That means that when it's used it consumes Chakra (Bloodlines abilities not included). Which means that her gathering chakra for 3 years isn't part of the Jutsu itself! It is highly possible that she was gathering the Chakra for the moment where she would be able to use the Jutsu. Shizune, the apprentice of Tsunade since who knows how long said that she herself wasn't able to use it, which means that it must be pretty hard to use.



You should know at this point that ninjas do not think the same way we do. Holding a grudge against Sasuke, what's that gonna do? I actually praise the fact that she wasn't mad at Sasuke anyways.



This is still a Shounen-like manga, the nakama parts are mandatory. Naruto's story is centered about the quest for peace. So far we've been given three characters that will define the destiny of the Elemental nations:

- Sasuke, who honors his ancestors and believes that he alone with his strength can create peace in the world (like the first son of Rikudou Sennin and Madara, he believes that with force he can create peace).

- Naruto, who behaves more like the second son of Rikudou and Hashirama. He believes that peace through true understanding can be achieved, an ideal that he will fight for, entrusted onto him by Jiraiya, Nagato and his parents.

- Obito. who doesn't believe that peace can exist in the world and would rather create a 'false' reality where peace could actually exist and leave the 'real' world behind.

There's never been a good side or a bad side in Naruto, the story is defined by those with the will and the conviction to make their dreams come true.