| Yuuki Kaji voiced the main character of Accel world and Highschool DxD, which are both good sellers, not surprised but there are alot more better male voice actors out there that deserve the award. Tommk said: Garbage cunts, fts Shoujo basketball won. WAT /smh *Shounen again, nothing to be surprised about, it was the second best seller of 2012. |
Downgrade355 said: Mogami-kun said: >SAO winning. Just no. There should be some kind of lower intellectual requirement for an award. I don't understand this mentality you people have, fucking SAO was the top seller of 2012 followed by Kuroko no basket, they won the awards, what the fuck is there to be surprised about? This. As much as I hate SAO, it IS one of the best selling series in 2012 along with KuroBas. It's not suprising who won all these awards. Wolf Children was one of the best movies in 2012 and Yuuki kaji voiced a lot of characters in successfull shows in 2012. What did you guys expect? Still, awards that priorize popularity over quality are a double-edged sword. Popularity is nothing permanent, after all. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Just because my posts instill anger into your simple mind, that does not make me a troll.Red_Keys said: symbv said: Award Winners: Anime Works Television Category Sword Art Online Best Original Story Reki Kawahara (Sword Art Online) Just gonna let this sit here and sink in :D Tee hee at all the rage. God, it must suck to get so worked up over cartoons D: Its not about cartoons, its about the art of storytelling, which has been part of human culture since long long ago, Mr.Troll. Now, go back to /b/ or whatever hole you crawled from. But maybe the fact that I find your anger over television shows aimed at children hilarious makes me one :L |
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Nidhoeggr said: This. As much as I hate SAO, it IS one of the best selling series in 2012 along with KuroBas. It's not suprising that all these people won. Still, awards that priorize popularity over quality are a double-edged sword. These awards seem to prioritize sales i think (Nisemonogatari topped both SAO and Kuroko, though since it's a Sequel/Prequel anime i guess it doesn't count) but this is just one of the many 2012 anime awards, and each pick animes based on something. P,S Popularity doesn't equal sales and sales don't equal popularity. |
Downgrade355Mar 24, 2013 6:39 AM
| 2 YEARS WORTH OF SEMEN SAO STRONG LONG LIVE SAO THANK YOU BASED REKI This is ridiculous. SAO and Accel World are terrible and everyone knows it. Well it's no surprise that Japan has showed that they have shit taste. |
| The hate SAO gets is hilarious, especially if you take into account what kind of people hate it and what "arguments" they present. And no, I'm not saying the show deserves the award either, from a strictly quality wise speaking angle. I wonder if this is a bit how fujoshi feel about KuroBa. |
Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Then it should have won, "top selling award" People aren't surprised, they are astonished that such an atrocious piece of work won an award that it does not objectively deserve. The story and characters fell flat on any and all criteria. Characterisation, development, execution, rationalism. Gash bro, i understand that you're not too fond of SAO, but lay off the biased views. this is one of the many anime awards of 2012 as far as i'm concerned. SAO was a good seller and has a decent amount of popularity, it doing a good job in sales and popularity means that there is a considerable amount of people who like it or like many aspects about it, not to mention they're japanese, we're foreigners, we have different mentalities in many ways, so SAO winning an award is not surpising. i've seen many mangas and animes that aren't popular/top sellers win awards they don't deserve (i'm not saying SAO doesn't deserve the award), this shouldn't come as a surprise at all, the 12th Tokyo anime awards choose these animes/people as award winners, nothing we can do about it. |
bNq said: The hate SAO gets is hilarious, especially if you take into account what kind of people hate it and what "arguments" they present. And no, I'm not saying the show deserves the award either, from a strictly quality wise speaking angle. i don't understand either, a top selling anime won an award, big deal. bNq said: I wonder if this is a bit how fujoshi feel about KuroBa. see'ing as they are only a small minority of KnB's viewers/consumers and are a small niche group that a mainstream anime such as KnB doesn't target, i'm almost certain they don't care. Rasen-No-Hikari said: didnt expect something like this AT ALL.... Best Voice Actor Yuuki Kaji (Aquarion EVOL, Accel World) this is the only thing i can agree with lol everything in that list has a reason to be in there, trust me lol Yuuki Kaji did quite a good job with highschool DxD and accel world, so i'm not surprised...actually, i'm not surprised by any of this. |
Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Best Original Story: SAO Colour my white gaijin ass surprised. Fucking autists thinking this shit is actually good because other fellow simple minded individuals are in agreement. -Trapped in a video game where you can die. -Self-insert MC -Waifu/fap material Tsundere Heroine -Incest sibling, that's actually a cousin (PLOT TWIST) -Other stock characters with no personality or development >Original tsubasalover said: HauntingShock said: And I thought Kaji Yuuki was hated around here? Good to see him up there though. I didn't know about that, really? Do you even read posts on MAL or even know the general consensus concerning the western fanbase? He is a guy who can turn any male character into a fag. .....Did I mention he can turn a character that's already a fag, into a even fucking bigger one? Is that not a good enough reason to hate? Haters gonna hate, deal with it. :3 I think he did really well, hate it or not. |
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Downgrade355 said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Then it should have won, "top selling award" People aren't surprised, they are astonished that such an atrocious piece of work won an award that it does not objectively deserve. The story and characters fell flat on any and all criteria. Characterisation, development, execution, rationalism. Gash bro, i understand that you're not too fond of SAO, but lay off the biased views. this is one of the many anime awards of 2012 as far as i'm concerned. SAO was a good seller and has a decent amount of popularity, it doing a good job in sales and popularity means that there is a considerable amount of people who like it or like many aspects about it, not to mention they're japanese, we're foreigners, we have different mentalities in many ways, so SAO winning an award is not surpising. i've seen many mangas and animes that aren't popular/top sellers win awards they don't deserve (i'm not saying SAO doesn't deserve the award), this shouldn't come as a surprise at all, the 12th Tokyo anime awards choose these animes/people as award winners, nothing we can do about it. I'm not biased at all. I've evolved. Look at my favourite anime/manga's rating. SAO is objectively bad. Popularity ≠ Quality. Red_Keys said: Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Just because my posts instill anger into your simple mind, that does not make me a troll.Red_Keys said: symbv said: Award. Winners: Anime Works Television Category Sword Art Online Best Original Story Reki Kawahara (Sword Art Online) Just gonna let this sit here and sink in :D Tee hee at all the rage. God, it must suck to get so worked up over cartoons D: Its not about cartoons, its about the art of storytelling, which has been part of human culture since long long ago, Mr.Troll. Now, go back to /b/ or whatever hole you crawled from. But maybe the fact that I find your anger over television shows aimed at children hilarious makes me one :L Simple mind.. -"Just gonna let this sit here and sink in :D" -"Tee hee at all the rage. God, it must suck to get so worked up over cartoons D:" + Posting on a board for chinese children/manchildren cartoons. How dumb are you? |
Downgrade355 said: I guess there's no actual data about the demographic of people who bought KnB? Because I'd like to highly doubt that.bNq said: I wonder if this is a bit how fujoshi feel about KuroBa. see'ing as they are only a small minority of KnB's viewers/consumers and are a small niche group that a mainstream anime such as KnB doesn't target, i'm almost certain they don't care. My post is a bit misunderstandable.. the thing I'd like to doubt is that fujoshi only make a small minority of KnB's consumers. |
bNqMar 24, 2013 6:57 AM
| Yaiy Ookami Kodomo : D |
| OH YEAH!!! KUROKO NO BASKET! Omedetou Gozaimasu kuroko~ |
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Best Original Story: Reki Kawahara (Sword Art Online) My ass... |
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| Gash_V-D_Hetchum, I thought you were serious for a second. It's not as fun if you're blatantly obvious about it :( Liph said: Yup, your ass. It hurts doesn't it? That's what they call Butthurt.Best Original Story: Reki Kawahara (Sword Art Online) My ass... |
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| Amato was the character I find that had the worst voice acting from Yuuki Kaji, to think that he got an award for the role he wasn't at his best imo... I'm so not going to trust this award, this time it's worst, it just seems that less than 10 anime came out in 2012 when there was so many good series... |
| I don't know about the judge's criteria, but if you look at how much SAO sold and the number of people that like it, it certainly a successful TV show, so winning an award is not surprising. However, i personally find this show, quality-wise, to be among the worst i have ever seen, so i can't help but to feel extremely disappointed with this award. |
Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: He should have just won, "most popular voice award" That's what he won. This awards is about popularity. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Red_Keys said: But maybe the fact that I find your anger over television shows aimed at CHILDREN hilarious makes me one :L television shows aimed at sad male teenagers/youths (most likely, virgins) who take delight in watching feel-good shows where you can self-insert into the MC (who is awesome as fuck from their POV, overpowered in game + has personal harem + waifu) fixed that for ya. And to be honest, I don't exclude myself from that group either, especially the virgin part. PS: that's just the targeted audience. I do understand that there's a lot of peeps (most likely MMO players) who are into SAO because they enjoy a casual watch with online game elements in it (despite the atrocious and comical system that Reki pulled out of his ass). |
| SAO was good, only from Episode 1-13, when AFO came up the whole series was ruined... |
| Gief Phantom Bullet, Nihonji! |
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| This forum and site in general is really, really good at killing your good mood you know. Infact, I'd say it's the best at it. And to think these people are supposed to be fans of the medium. |
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Niko-kun said: Welcom to MAL!This forum and site in general is really, really good at killing your good mood you know. Infact, I'd say it's the best at it. And to think these people are supposed to be fans of the medium. Enjoy your stay~ |
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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: I'm not biased at all. I've evolved. Look at my favourite anime/manga's rating. SAO is objectively bad. Popularity ≠ Quality. What i'm saying is, that opinion is yours, the fact that SAO sold a considerable amount and won an award means that it is a quality anime for those people, you might not see it as such, but for those people it is quality anime enough that they spent their money on it. i'm just saying, i'm no fanboy, and i would never want to be labeled as such. bNq said: I guess there's no actual data about the demographic of people who bought KnB? Because I'd like to highly doubt that. My post is a bit misunderstandable.. the thing I'd like to doubt is that fujoshi only make a small minority of KnB's consumers. Yeah, i doubt there is much data concerning this, but people make assumptions based on the fanarts they come across, which is generally ignorant and stupid, excuse me if i sound rude. those involved in fanarts could barely make up 5-10% of the actual consumers, this bad habit some people have still boggles my mind. over half the consumers of the DVD/BD's are likely Fujoshi, but they're only a minority of the "viewers". The general consumers of KnB (Including the manga) are Non-Otaku/Non-Fujoshi, meaning they're the "mainstream" audience, and fujoshi are only a small minority of them, they're a niche market group, and KnB's content targets the mainstream audience, it's a Shounen sports, duh. honestly you don't need data or anyone to tell you this. dreznovk said: I don't know about the judge's criteria, but if you look at how much SAO sold and the number of people that like it, it certainly a successful TV show, so winning an award is not surprising. However, i personally find this show, quality-wise, to be among the worst i have ever seen, so i can't help but to feel extremely disappointed with this award. There, at last someone, giving a valid opinion, and aknowledges that SAO IS a top seller and IT IS NOT SURPRISING that it won an award. |
Downgrade355Mar 24, 2013 7:26 AM
Niko-kun said: You've seen nothing if you think MAL is bad. A couple of months on certain other forums and you learn to enjoy the tears of other people who are so full of anger about their favorite shit anime not getting attention. I'm actually smiling while reading SAO hate postsThis forum and site in general is really, really good at killing your good mood you know. Infact, I'd say it's the best at it. And to think these people are supposed to be fans of the medium. Downgrade355 said: Well, we can only speculate about the actual extent, but that's more like what I had in mind. I completely agree with you regarding the rest though, KnB obviously also will be popular within other demographics. over half the consumers of the DVD/BD's are likely Fujoshi, but they're only a minority of the "viewers". |
| This topic is funny to read. So many people getting mad that people like stuff they don't. Anyway, I'm glad to see SAO win. It was my 3rd favorite anime of 2012 overall, so I believe it deserves this recognition. Its just a really fun show. |
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Niko-kun said: This forum and site in general is really, really good at killing your good mood you know. Infact, I'd say it's the best at it. And to think these people are supposed to be fans of the medium. Not something new, the comments i come across MAL every two minutes still to this day amaze me, people never learn, and blindly throw out random comments and ideas and make it seem as if they know everything and you don't know shit. |
RyanSaotome said: B-b-but.. it has *ghasp* "self insert"! (As if relatable characters are all of a sudden a bad thing..)This topic is funny to read. So many people getting mad that people like stuff they don't. Anyway, I'm glad to see SAO win. It was my 3rd favorite anime of 2012 overall, so I believe it deserves this recognition. Its just a really fun show. And *GHASP* minor flaws!!1! |
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| It's just a mistake to turn your eyes upward and read the other posts when you're double-checking your own. Same depressing things, over and over, most of the time by the same people. I just think it's a sad state of affairs. For everyone. |
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Downgrade355 said: but for those people it is quality anime enough that they spent their money on it. shit taste basically? Just because people have shit taste doesn't mean that you should condone the shittiness of their taste. Such action increase the chance of more shitty-shitty-anime-clone, if you catch my drift, being produced. By the way, it doesn't surprise me that SAO gets this award. It disgusts me that a shit anime is getting the recognition and extra public exposure instead of more worthy ones. My personal enjoyment did not stop me from objectively abominating this course of event. |
Niko-kun said: It's just a mistake to turn your eyes upward and read the other posts when you're double-checking your own. Same depressing things, over and over, most of the time by the same people. I just think it's a sad state of affairs. For everyone. Lol this. bNq said: Well, we can only speculate about the actual extent, but that's more like what I had in mind. I completely agree with you regarding the rest though, KnB obviously also will be popular within other demographics. Yup, fujoshi are known for buying stuff they like, but if you consider the bigger picture, those who watch KnB when it aired, fujoshi apparently are a minority. the point is, people are under the misconception that consumers of manga and anime are only the Otaku (generally otaku, there are many types) when the truth is that if you combine all types of Otaku together, they'd still make a small part of the general mainstream audience, you know what i' trying to say? Ice_Cube said: shit taste basically? Just because people have shit taste doesn't mean that you should condone the shittiness of their taste. Such action increase the chance of more shitty-shitty-anime-clone, if you catch my drift, being produced. By the way, it doesn't surprise me that SAO gets this award. It disgusts me that a shit anime is getting the recognition and extra public exposure instead of more worthy ones. My personal enjoyment did not stop me from objectively abominating this course of event. Why is it shit taste? because they like an anime that you dislike? doesn't sound reasonable if you ask me. They buy their stuff so studios make more to cater to them so they can get money off of them again, buy your stuff, and maybe the studios will consider catering to you, although i doubt foreigners buy anything at all. |
Downgrade355 said: Ah! But you see, my mind projection fallacy attitude proves your point wrong. Because my taste is the only correct taste!Why is it shit taste? because they like an anime that you dislike? doesn't sound reasonable if you ask me. They buy their stuff so studios make more to cater to them so they can get money off of them again, buy your stuff, and maybe the studios will consider catering to you, although i doubt foreigners buy anything at all. |
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Red_Keys said: "self insert"! (As if relatable characters are all of a sudden a bad thing..) Sympathy and empathy towards a character equals wanting to be in their shoes? Wanting to be in a character's shoes equal sympathy and empathy towards their personality and circumstances? Really? Really Really? No wonder that you're supporting SAO. No wonder that I'm on MAL as well. Btw MAL is a really fun place. I feel superior to others here, similar to the experience I get when I watch SAO. I thinks most people here feel the same. |
Ice_Cube said: Downgrade355 said: but for those people it is quality anime enough that they spent their money on it. shit taste basically? Just because people have shit taste doesn't mean that you should condone the shittiness of their taste. Such action increase the chance of more shitty-shitty-anime-clone, if you catch my drift, being produced. By the way, it doesn't surprise me that SAO gets this award. It disgusts me that a shit anime is getting the recognition and extra public exposure instead of more worthy ones. My personal enjoyment did not stop me from objectively abominating this course of event. There are things known as opinions... the quality of an anime isn't based 100% on how much you like it. Maybe you just don't like the genre SAO is. That doesn't make it a bad anime or give you good reason to insult people who do like it. |
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| By the way, the phrase "shit taste" 'doesn't compute' by definition. Anyway, I've heard and said all that before, if you're happy with coming online to bash and label everyone, including yourself, over what anime they like, so be it. So much for the positive messages and giddy, happy-go-lucky feelings we get from the shows we watch. |
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| To any mods thinking about deleting posts/banning/sending reports because of SAO discussion. It is all completely on topic, because we are discussing the validity and our opinion on the matter of the awards received. |
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Downgrade355 said: Yeah, I get what you're saying. Someone who's not that much into anime/manga might still buy the manga, since KnB is laid out to appeal to a somewhat broad audience. Especially the basketball theme should make it more accessible to all kinds of people.Yup, fujoshi are known for buying stuff they like, but if you consider the bigger picture, those who watch KnB when it aired, fujoshi apparently are a minority. the point is, people are under the misconception that consumers of manga and anime are only the Otaku (generally otaku, there are many types) when the truth is that if you combine all types of Otaku together, they'd still make a small part of the general mainstream audience, you know what i' trying to say? |
Red_Keys said: Downgrade355 said: Ah! But you see, my mind projection fallacy attitude proves your point wrong. Because my taste is the only correct taste!Why is it shit taste? because they like an anime that you dislike? doesn't sound reasonable if you ask me. They buy their stuff so studios make more to cater to them so they can get money off of them again, buy your stuff, and maybe the studios will consider catering to you, although i doubt foreigners buy anything at all. *Has Code Geass S1 in favorites instead of S2.* If it weren't for Afterstory and Phantom, I'd consider your tastes invalid. ;) |
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RyanSaotome said: There are things known as opinions... the quality of an anime isn't based 100% on how much you like it. Maybe you just don't like the genre SAO is. That doesn't make it a bad anime or give you good reason to insult people who do like it. So do I have to write my own objective review of SAO and link it in my sig before I can express my opinion about it? (You can read the review on NihonReview btw, Reckoner's review basically encapsulated all of my points) By the way, it's not like I hated SAO. I rather enjoyed it, this was shown in my previous post. btw shit taste is not even an insult. It's an endearing expression for nipponjins. |
Gash_V-D_Hetchum said: Niko-kun said: This forum and site in general is really, really good at killing your good mood you know. Infact, I'd say it's the best at it. And to think these people are supposed to be fans of the medium. Niko-kun said: It's just a mistake to turn your eyes upward and read the other posts when you're double-checking your own. Same depressing things, over and over, most of the time by the same people. I just think it's a sad state of affairs. For everyone. I love anime much more than you and that's a fact.. My, you're one of the worst posters on this damned site. I can't believe the retarded crap that I read from you. The sheer idiocy behind your little sentence is just mind-blowing. ...and that's a fact.. |
LogicielMar 24, 2013 11:42 AM
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bNq said: The best data I have about the demographic of people who bought Kuroko no Basket I have is only on the manga, so the picture could be different for anime BD/DVDs. Last year in 2012 there was a large scale bookstore survey done for Shonen Jump to check the gender distribution of people who bought manga of Shonen Jump. It turned out KuroBas is just the manga with the 4th highest proportion of female buyers at close to 59%. Not sure what it may indicate for the gender distribution for those who bought KnB DVD/BD though. I guess there's no actual data about the demographic of people who bought KnB? Because I'd like to highly doubt that. Downgrade355 said: We don't even know how many of the DVD/BD buyers are female and how many of those female buyers are fujoshi. But to me "over half" of the buyers are fujoshi sounds very much exaggerated.over half the consumers of the DVD/BD's are likely Fujoshi, but they're only a minority of the "viewers". The general consumers of KnB (Including the manga) are Non-Otaku/Non-Fujoshi, meaning they're the "mainstream" audience, and fujoshi are only a small minority of them, they're a niche market group, and KnB's content targets the mainstream audience, it's a Shounen sports, duh. honestly you don't need data or anyone to tell you this. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| > That's pure observation. ob·ser·va·tion >The action or process of observing something or someone carefully or in order to gain information. >The ability to notice significant details. You actually failed to observe. But I shouldn't get into a discussion with someone who treats ratings like serious business in the first place, a mod should probably step in at this point to stop the thread from derailing too much. Thanks @symbv, 59% seems quite high. Never would've expected that much for the manga, since manga is the medium I'd expect the more mainstream oriented fans to buy it. I'm pretty sure it'll be an even higher percentage for the DVD/BD then. Also on a personal note, glad to see you made the news team, your postings were always interesting to read and gave some nice insight. |
bNqMar 24, 2013 7:52 AM
| To those who keep accusing me of being a SAO hater, try reading this? Copy-pasted since you all seem so dead set on your opinion that I believe you woudn't even click what I link. The Highlights Virtual reality: Conceptually interesting premise, but not explored deeply enough. Character development: Simplistic and shallow. Villains: Laughably bad. Kirito: Borderline Gary Stu character. What could have been an interesting exploration of the social implications of virtual reality online games feels like a tired out adolescent fantasy story. I never expected Sword Art Online to deliver anything akin to a sociological dissertation, but for a story with such boundless potential it is not unreasonable to expect something that does not merely skim the surface. While Sword Art Online is not devoid of redeeming qualities, there is no doubt that it leaves a lot to be desired. The life and death game in Sword Art Online would be a compelling premise on its own, but the story’s direction to try and explore life inside a virtual reality is the most interesting aspect to me. There is a certain magic about being immersed in gaming that the author of the original light novels, Kawahara Reki, seems to intuitively understand. It is not a mistake that Kirito at one point says that he feels “more alive here than in the real world.” The ability to become someone else entirely in a hyperrealistic virtual world is the sort of fantasy that gamers pine for. Unfortunately, due to some disappointing creative decisions, the show’s focus on these aspects is dragged down considerably. At the top of these problems is how much of a one-man show Sword Art Online becomes. Kirito’s character is borderline Gary Stu in portrayal; the show almost always has Kirito solve the challenges in the story singlehandedly, and he has few personality flaws of worthy note. Furthermore, Sword Art Online never gives the other characters any meaningful time to shine, because Kirito steals the spotlight in every situation. The story’s tendency to shoehorn Kirito as the perfect hero is so bad at times that it will sometimes invoke a deus ex machina before letting any other character aid Kirito in his journey. With Kirito’s success practically foretold, the dramatic tension of the show is utterly eviscerated. Ironically, the most enjoyable aspect of Sword Art Online, the romance between Kirito and Asuna, is also one of the show’s worst issues. Most of the character interactions throughout the show are dominated by Kirito and the random girls he meets in his adventures. The problem here is that it seems as if practically every girl is romantically interested in Kirito, which makes the show seem like a badly written harem story. Not only does it feel silly considering that Kirito and Asuna are deadlocked as a couple pretty early on, but it also makes the characters themselves uninteresting as their only purpose seemingly is to be in an unrequited love. This illustrates Sword Art Online’s more general flaw of character development that is lacking in depth, subtlety and nuance. The villains are the worst perpetrators as they are often written to be so comically evil that they are more hilarious, in a bad way, than they are interesting. Most egregiously, this crops up in a scene of practical tentacle rape, which is extremely distasteful. Sometimes I really do wonder if Sword Art Online is trying to hang a noose around its neck since it does an awfully great job at ruining its accomplishments. However, despite the huge amount of nuisances in Sword Art Online, it is a sincere story. The writing may have a simplistic emotional palette, but it never feels disingenuous. It is easy to appreciate the sentiment behind the story, even if its execution is often times lackluster. There are definitely some interesting concepts and some nice moments to be found throughout Sword Art Online; it is just unfortunate that the inexperienced hands of Kawahara could not manage to bring this grandiose storyline anywhere near its complete potential. Source: http://www.nihonreview.com/anime/sword-art-online/ |
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