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symbv said: You reply is quite honours. Allow me to reply.Yumekichi said: Slutty is the furthest I would call Aika. She knows what she wants but after this episode I am now sure she is not going for both Mashiro and Yoshino. The pic in your post is from Yoshino's dream anyway. The only shot of Aika approaching Mashiro a bit aggressively is because Mashiro asked for something a bit beyond "brother and sister relationship" so Aika challenged him that if he wanted her to be his woman. Mashiro fumbled at that question, apparently still stuck up in the sibling thinking. But he acted selfishly and tried to ask Aika not to get any boyfriend, which Aika just shrugged by saying what if she already had one (which is why Mahiro always said he knew Aika had a boyfriend). This also explains why Aika had to go to such length to hide her relationship with Yoshino and why Yoshino finds it so difficult to tell Mahiro about his relation with Aika. That’s why I tend to call her slutty but not cause of sex. Cause of going from one guy to another. Romantically for sure, many times she blushes with both guys. Surely that means something. Beside that one scene, everything we saw are Aika showering her love to Yoshino, from the date in the aquarium, buying the pedant, frequent mails, asking for first kiss, all those secret rendezvous... I am sure Aika only loves Yoshino, but she is also clearly aware of Mahiro's feeling towards her which he is still reluctant to say it is romantic, so Aika just lets that be the status quo (and as Yoshino observes, Aika does not dislike Mahiro's style anyway). Indeed it's as you say however the impression she left on me cannot be helped but to consider her as someone that's indecisive in love. She clearly has 2 guys and clearly knows what she is doing with the situation she is in, yet she is afraid of solving it once and for all. What is appreciated of that is her will of doing it in order for both to remain friends. Aika essentially is acting in a slutty way but it could allude to it only. Cause she would have gone much more with both guys if she wanted along with the notion of slutty would apply to her for sure if she did do that. Instead like you mention being aware of both, she keeps a balance. That I am afraid would tip out badly if ever she would kiss either one. So in conclusion Aika is trying to keep a certain harmony but I would prefer if the light shed its truth to balance out the reality. |
deathxempress said: Or maybe less of them both. That option works fine with me. |
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symbv said: Actually I found this episode a very good one. I was surprised to see they would invest one whole episode in this 1 cour series I thought this was 2 cour?! |
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cladinpink said: Ramkec said: And yeah I almost forgot, from now on, more Hakaze and less Aika please, leave the dead behind, thx. Seconded. Sure Aika is kind of the one who started this whole conflict, but can we please focus more on the fact that the world is about to be destroyed than a dead high school girl and her love triangle? Thanks, much appreciated. Guys..can you think a little bit more besides what you see?=_= 1. Aika is probably the dead character with more scenes in the anime history like...ever. Meaning = she is, I dunno, perhaps...CRUCIAL TO THE PLOT? 2. Its not just another love triangle, there is complexity, Aika isnt the typical highschool girl that wakes up one day and says "Let me be a two timer with my bro and his bff! yay!" the way she acts and speaks...IT HAS A YET TO BE REVEALED MEANING. It hasnt show up in the anime yet, but it has been revealed in the manga, so how about a little patience? 3. I dunno, but if we put our brains working a little, arent we tired to know that Aika has something to do with the what´s going on the world/virus, etc? Otherwise why would Hakaze say that she was "killed" by a MAGE OF KUSARIBE CLAN? C´mon, it wasnt like a kusaribe sorcerer was passing by and looked at Aika and said "Wow, I need to kill her, so Ill just go to her house and kill her while she is sleeping on a chair because I feel like killing a random girl". No, sorry, it wasnt like that simply because ...her death is the KEY TO EVERYTHING. We dont need manga spoilers to tell it. So yeah we´ll have to see Aika´s flashbacks, Aika´s expressions, Aika´s quotes, Aika´s relationships and attitudes, otherwise you wont understand what´s to come and that´s it. How about a little twist, no? Not saying she is not bitchy, but she is really important and so is the love triangle/interactions. She NEEDS TO APPEAR. You need to see her to understand the revelations that will take place later. As a manga reader, I would say she is more essential than Hakaze to the plot because Aika has a an influence/impact over the two main guys that no other character will ever have. Not another love triangle, stop whining and watch for god´s sake, those are nothing but misconceptions the same way last episode everyone was saying she was dating both guys, but until now I only saw her dating Yoshino so even if she had feelings for Mahiro, that doesnt make her a 2timer. Besides even if she was a "slut" let her be. If it was a guy 2timing everyone would say he is such a manly guy, yay, but since she is a girl there is already the gender discrimination which makes her a slut. I really hate some things in her (specially in the manga), but give me a break, dont go judging already before you see the conclusion of things. If the love triangle is presented in such time as the world is being destroyed, its because the love triangle might explain things later. |
OrulyonNov 16, 2012 11:29 AM
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| Even if Aika is dead, she still gets a lot of timescreen because she is really important for the plot, and I don't will say anything else because I don't want to give spoilers. |
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| Even though I expected an action episode, this was a really, really well done flashback episode. All of this information will probably make the real deal even better. Next episode will (or should be) the real action episode, I'm really looking forward to it. |
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Orulyon said: cladinpink said: Ramkec said: And yeah I almost forgot, from now on, more Hakaze and less Aika please, leave the dead behind, thx. Seconded. Sure Aika is kind of the one who started this whole conflict, but can we please focus more on the fact that the world is about to be destroyed than a dead high school girl and her love triangle? Thanks, much appreciated. Guys..can you think a little bit more besides what you see?=_= 1. Aika is probably the dead character with more scenes in the anime history like...ever. Meaning = she is, I dunno, perhaps...CRUCIAL TO THE PLOT? 2. Its not just another love triangle, there is complexity, Aika isnt the typical highschool girl that wakes up one day and says "Let me be a two timer with my bro and his bff! yay!" the way she acts and speaks...IT HAS A YET TO BE REVEALED MEANING. It hasnt show up in the anime yet, but it has been revealed in the manga, so how about a little patience? 3. I dunno, but if we put our brains working a little, arent we tired to know that Aika has something to do with the what´s going on the world/virus, etc? Otherwise why would Hakaze say that she was "killed" by a MAGE OF KUSARIBE CLAN? C´mon, it wasnt like a kusaribe sorcerer was passing by and looked at Aika and said "Wow, I need to kill her, so Ill just go to her house and kill her while she is sleeping on a chair because I feel like killing a random girl". No, sorry, it wasnt like that simply because ...her death is the KEY TO EVERYTHING. We dont need manga spoilers to tell it. So yeah we´ll have to see Aika´s flashbacks, Aika´s expressions, Aika´s quotes, Aika´s relationships and attitudes, otherwise you wont understand what´s to come and that´s it. How about a little twist, no? Not saying she is not bitchy, but she is really important and so is the love triangle/interactions. She NEEDS TO APPEAR. You need to see her to understand the revelations that will take place later. As a manga reader, I would say she is more essential than Hakaze to the plot because Aika has a an influence/impact over the two main guys that no other character will ever have. Not another love triangle, stop whining and watch for god´s sake, those are nothing but misconceptions the same way last episode everyone was saying she was dating both guys, but until now I only saw her dating Yoshino so even if she had feelings for Mahiro, that doesnt make her a 2timer. Besides even if she was a "slut" let her be. If it was a guy 2timing everyone would say he is such a manly guy, yay, but since she is a girl there is already the gender discrimination which makes her a slut. I really hate some things in her (specially in the manga), but give me a break, dont go judging already before you see the conclusion of things. If the love triangle is presented in such time as the world is being destroyed, its because the love triangle might explain things later. Hey chill, it's easy for you to say all of that, because you are up to date with manga, and you know what will happen with her later on. I'm just saying that I don't like her current status right now, and what is she doing, maybe by the end of last episode, something will be revealed about her, and I'll start to like her again. |
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Ramkec said: Hey chill, it's easy for you to say all of that, because you are up to date with manga, and you know what will happen with her later on. I'm just saying that I don't like her current status right now, and what is she doing, maybe by the end of last episode, something will be revealed about her, and I'll start to like her again. btw, Im not flaming you XP sorry if I was too harsh Just sayin that sometimes the "dead" even though they´re not likable, they might have more meaning to the plot than the living ones XD |
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| I really hope that this won't be a 13 episode anime. It would be such a shame. |
| Haha wow to the people who were saying Aika was acting slutty /facepalm You guys need to get out more if that is what you think "acting slutty" is. |
Ramkec said: Hey chill, it's easy for you to say all of that, because you are up to date with manga, and you know what will happen with her later on. You don't need to be a manga reader (I'm an anime only watcher) to figure that if they're giving a dead character so much screen time it's because she must be quite important,it's just common sense. |
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| Man. Those attempt kisses is such as tease, twice in a row! |
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| Great episode, these anime original episodes fit in so well, they don't feel out of place at all and they give great development which is usually left out in anime adaptions due to cutting down in order to fit everything in, i like how they put emphasis on not just Aika's relationship with Yoshino but Mahiro as well, because all 3 of them are essential to the story, so its great that they are developing all 3. |
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| Harem is the only way to make every girl happy, therefore I will go for the harem ending! |
| How many episodes are for this anime? It seems like it's almost the end, but we're only at episode 7. cladinpink said: Ramkec said: And yeah I almost forgot, from now on, more Hakaze and less Aika please, leave the dead behind, thx. Seconded. Sure Aika is kind of the one who started this whole conflict, but can we please focus more on the fact that the world is about to be destroyed than a dead high school girl and her love triangle? Thanks, much appreciated. Considering that Samon and his peeps are responsible for Aika's death, the flashback was needed to show why Mahiro is in revenge mode. He loved her, but didn't do anything about it. Revenge mixed with regret, it's sad, but it does explain his motives a bit more. Plus, Aika ties into Hakaze. I'm pretty sure they killed Aika and somehow made her body like Hakaze to trick everyone. That, or she knew that Mahiro and Yoshino were needed to stop Samon and maybe Hakaze. |
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| Finally, flashbacks are done. Atleast Aika wasn't really that bad unlike what the previous preview implied. |
totoum said: You don't need to be a manga reader (I'm an anime only watcher) to figure that if they're giving a dead character so much screen time it's because she must be quite important,it's just common sense. That's true I gotta say. I'll just have to wait and see why is she that important. BridgeX said: How many episodes are for this anime? It seems like it's almost the end, but we're only at episode 7. 12 I believe. |
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| The best part was when Mahiro was explaining why he likes winter stars better than summer ones and as the flashback began, I was expecting the narrator Yoshino to say: "And Mahiro had yet to realize that the stars were the same..." or something along those lines XD lol they really should have put that in! But would've ruined the mood :P Oh well.. Anyways, this episode was nice, but Aika is still two-timing, perhaps unconsciously since you can't help who you're attracted to but it's still obvious. I think she only made it more complicated for herself by getting Mahiro to assume she hates Yoshino, although it was a well-played move because she didn't have to invent as many lies the second time when he remarked on her 'hatred'. But, in a way, she's also like Hamlet. Actually, she's like a complex Ophelia, a character that was never really divulged in and expanded (due to the Shakespearean era confined within its sexist views of females..) but Aika really complicates it. I hope we see more of an emotional turmoil or perhaps an indecisive moment of defeat later on. Her calm, cool, and collected act is getting to me a bit. Doesn't really support the claim that she truly loves Yoshino either. Other than that, this episode also revealed the things Mahiro would drag Yoshino into before Aika died. It kind of pisses me off how Yoshino is only nice to Mahiro because Aika asks him. However, it's not like he can actually communicate and get through to Mahiro, the latter being a rich unpredictable boy and all. But Mahiro never ceases to surprise us, so I think he could take it well, if the author sees it fit. Just a random guess though, wasn't Yoshino kind of voicing out Aika's name in the end before he woke up? Either way, I think Mahiro had SOME idea that Aika and Yoshino were closer than he thought, but he's never tried to understand it or is torn between how he feels about it, which could be a reason for his two faced actions. He runs to save Yoshino from the army but then holds a gun to his face with pure gleeful hate on his face. It's almost as if he truly loves Yoshino as a dear friend but hates him for being all that Mahiro feels he, himself, couldn't be for Aika. Just a guess, either way, great episode, a bit annoying because the coldness of Mahiro and Yoshino's relationship is getting to me. But great nonetheless! Can't wait for the next one :) |
Komosha said: Only thing that I really liked in this ep was that purr that Mashiro sometimes has in his voice. He's one of the most distinctive, best-voiced, and interesting male characters I've seen in anime. The rest was averageish... Haha, yes! In the beginning when he was so genuinely frustrated and wanted to understand why but at the same time couldn't figure it out and didn't want to and all he could do was state how he felt in a tortured, half aggressive voice. I love how sincere Mahiro's love is sometimes, it's just the aggressiveness and bipolar treatment he gives those he loves that's the problem. |
| This was a really good and compelling episode, due to an extensive focus on further character development, but it was ultimately less interesting than the majority of the others, since the formation and subsequent elaboration of a love triangle is less engaging and eventful than the significant nature of the larger narrative. Though occasionally slow, this episode was paced considerably well, as the plethora of small, but meaningful developments for each character were meticulously weaved into the story, allowing for an appropriately lengthy focus on each one, never feeling rushed or faltering into a chaotic sort of storytelling. The story, though carefully constructed, has, at times, slipped into what has felt like a slight repetition of previously understood realizations. This is a small criticism though, since these moments do occasionally provide depth to the narrative and the characters. There was a lack of action throughout this episode, in favor of a methodical tranquility, but this contrast in tone to the majority of the previous episodes worked really well. Also, a superbly effective melancholy filtered into this episode, essentially establishing an atmosphere that elevated seemingly simplistic, relatively meaningless moments into unsettling pieces of a subtly ominous foreshadowing. The best aspect of this episode was the continued examination of Yoshino and Mahiro's complex, complicated relationship. It seems likely that Yoshino only felt compelled to pursue a stronger friendship with Mahiro due to Aika's influence. Although he's definitely the least interesting character, Mahiro has become an increasingly sympathetic, since it's quite clear, at least from this episode, that Aika was only romantically interested in Yoshino. The ending was an excellent sort of foreboding cliffhanger, since, due to Yoshino's unconscious muttering and the flash of hatred that appeared on Mahiro's face, it alludes to the potential that Mahiro might already be aware of Yoshino and Aika's relationship. As such, I'm really looking forward to the moment he fully discovers the truth. Thankfully, Aika wasn't portrayed that similar to what I was expecting prior to this episode, as it appeared likely that her intricacies would inevitably illustrate a detached and manipulative personality, but, though this definitely wasn't the case, she remains a somewhat unsympathetic character, due partially to her seemingly conditional attachment to Yoshino and the possibility that she appears, ever so slightly, to be toying with both of their affections. Despite these uncertainties about her true character, or, perhaps, because of them, she remains incredibly intriguing. Yet, for as interesting as Aika certainly is, I'd prefer increased development for Hakaze, which will likely arrive once she leaves the island, so hopefully that particular development occurs soon, since her partial isolation has disappointingly rendered her characterization as temporarily stagnant. Ando's direction remains the most necessary element of the show, as it impresses immensely with it's skilfully deft handling of the narrative. Oshima's score is, by far, the best music I've heard in a show all year, as it brilliantly illuminates a certain atmospheric emotion within many significant moments. Also, though I tend to enjoy the occasional quoting of Hamlet, it was far too unnecessarily prevalent and distracting in this episode. All in all, Zetsuen has been remarkably consistent, satisfying, once again, with an excellent episode. Although I greatly enjoy the heightened focus on insightful characterization and nuanced development, I'm hoping for and, judging by the preview, expecting a return to the primary threat of the narrative, since it's more compelling than the majority of the flashbacks, however integral they might eventually be. |
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| I feel sorry for Mahiro, they fucked him over big time. Especially Aika, what a bitch, manipulating both of them. |
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| Its obvious Aika loves Yoshino from all the things she does to try and spend alone time with him, but the main reason she's acting the way she is is because she doesn't want Mashiro and Yoshino to have issues with each other, because she feels their friendship is probably more important than her having a relationship. |
| Pointless episode. |
Nachtwandler_21 said: yah i doubt it too, especially since its painfully obvious samon is not the bad guy hereI'm sure it won't end in 13 eps. As I remember there are BD info for 25. tHe clearly just will have the end of the arc and some twist soon |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Lots of back story once again. No new actual plot development, but we learned a lot more about them. Aika is such a tease. "Never mind, the sunflowers are watching"... what?! xD |
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| I loved this episode actually, these flashbacks were all really nice to watch. Its always great to see more of Yoshino and Aika's relationship. Ughh I really wanted to see them kiss but they ended up not going through with it. Damn Mahiro for interrupting the first time and Yoshino for not doing anything the second time since I thought she stopped at the end because Yoshino wasn't taking the lead even though she had set him up. And lol I thought Aika would've done much more things to Yoshino for going along with Mahiro's setup date. |
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| I loved the episode too.And it's funny how people call Aika a slut,she's a insecure teenager what do you expect.At least she's interesting |
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| Aika has been one of the most difficult characters to figure out that I have ever encountered in an Anime. The flashback shed more light on the story but it still leaves Aika's intentions shrouded in mystery. |
| Gee I hate it when girls make such a big fuss about kissing. Sunflowers are watching us, damn. If I were Yoshino, I would have stolen the kiss from her about four times already. Nevertheless, good episode, not much action though but we once again learned something more about their past. |
| The only thing you can rely on is that you can't rely on anything. |
| Ugh.. I just got spoiled in the comment section in animeultima.tv... This is very frustrating.. very disappointing. I'm very annoyed now because of those people who wants to SPOIL evrything about this series. :// |
| Uuhhhmmmm, so was anyone amused by the way Aika said that Mahiro best suited Yoshino? Cause I was. Completely <3 But yeah, I also think that Aika somehow... knows what's coming. Like her death or something. Since she's so mysterious, it wouldn't be a shock that she could be associated with that organization that girl's in. plot twists up ahead! By the way, does anybody -actually- view the stars in that way? "How they shine so brightly, yet so far to reach upon the grasp of the eyes from the heavens above blah blah blah blah" ..... |
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| ...and remember than no matter how hard you ship MahiYoshi, Aika is shipping them more than you do... great episode like always <3 |
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ClementIV said: QuiGonJon said: Did anyone else feel like Aika knew something was going to happen? It seems like she knew, after all the theme of "everything happens for a reason" keeps reoccurring and it was her that said it first. Maybe she didn't kiss Yoshino for that very reason? She knewwww.... Mwahahahah... Spoilers, spoilers everywhere xD P.S. She can be called two timer you'll see why xD |
akutasame94Nov 18, 2012 12:26 PM
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Nachtwandler_21 said: yah i doubt it too, especially since its painfully obvious samon is not the bad guy hereI'm sure it won't end in 13 eps. As I remember there are BD info for 25. tHe clearly just will have the end of the arc and some twist soon No one is bad tbh :D Only Mahiro is little crazy xD |
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| "Mediocre" is the best word to describe this episode. |
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| It was nice |
| Just caught up with the first 7 episodes. This episode was interesting. Curious to know how much Mahiro really knows. I suspect he is aware they were dating. Also curious to see how the Hakaze being dead thing will work out and how she is connected to Aika (I am assuming there is some connection, maybe they are the same person somehow? Or relatives and the skull was hers?) |
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| If I had to guess, I'd say Aika is somehow related to the Kusaribe clan. She looks extremely similar to Hakaze. The confirmation that she isn't even related to Mahiro only further cements my claims. They could be sisters... or cousins... or something to that effect. I doubt even Hakaze knows. Samon probably kept it secret from her. Hence why she was placed up for adoption. I'm guessing that she was killed in order to prevent her from interfering with the ritual. Hakaze mentions that Samon has had this plan in motion for months now, so it'd be fair to say that he must have considered Aika a threat as well for some reason and killed her. When he marooned Hakaze on the deserted island, he apparently needed to gain support or approval from the clan and dug up Aika's bones to fool Junichirou. I'm not willing to bet on it yet because there's still a few things left unexplained, but I'm a big believer in this scenario over any other. EDIT: Also, I loved the episode. Thought it was the best one yet. I've always enjoyed the flashbacks, especially the scenes with Aika and Yoshino. |
NeoBaschNov 20, 2012 1:04 PM
| Am I the only one who feels most sympathetic towards Mahiro? At first, I thought that Yoshiro and Aika was perfect for each other and all but then when it we find out that Mahiro had feelings for her, I just felt... really really sad for him... I wonder if Aika actually likes Mahiro the same way he likes her. Mahiro is my favorite character in the anime and it seems to me that he is the most depressing/tragic character there. (Of course, this is just IMO) I've always preferred the more troubled characters. :3 I like that the characters are slowly developing and how the past is unfolding. Actually, I'm somewhat glad that Aika did not kiss Yoshino at that time. (this isn't a very supported opinion, I know) Ah well... Anyway, great episode, probably my favorite one so far. :) |
belle2908Nov 23, 2012 9:19 AM
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| Jiiii, that Aika.. -.- I didn't get to see that much Hakaze in here! >.< Also, I can't decipher Shakespeare that well, so I'm at a lost when it comes to his words. >-< Edit: Next episode seems to be more about Hakaze; yay!^^ |
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| Makes me want to know about why she was murdered...if it was a murder...Something's gotta give between Yoshino and Mahiro soon. Also should probably read the tempest at some point too. |
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