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| Even as a ln reader. This hits so hard. Emotionally charged with both Paul and Zenith's fates. One of the best episodes of the series in both action and story. |
JuanchomanJun 23, 2024 3:56 AM
| sic mundus |
| They made up for the shit season with this episode!! But I really wanted a first person perspective when Rudeus turned to look at them 😔, cant have everything i guess. About Paul saving Rudeus, I am pretty sure that was because of Rudeus not being able to read the hydra's final stuggle instead of standing and staring at others for anyone wondering. |
| I am not daijobu... I had a feeling that they were preparing us for this but I didn't expect it to be that brutal. His father dies, he gets the Luke Skywalker treatment, and to put salt on the wounds, he has no emotional payback due to Zenith's condition. Studio Bind is cruel AF. Happy Father's day I guess.... The OST and animation were all good but I cant think about that rn. Even with all this, this is why Mushoku Tensei is PEAK FICTION. I think I'm going to stop watching anime for today and spend the rest of the day with my family especially my dad. RIP Paul. You were not the perfect father but you tried to be. |
Reply to Homura24
"I never considered him my father but he always considered me his son"
RIP Paul
he will be missed
This too on fathers day
they managed to save zenith but at what cost
looks like she isn't herself anymore
feel so bad for Rudy
Some LN Extra Details (Volume 12 Chapter 8-10 (partial))
- Elinalise lends mana imbued crystals to Roxy and Rudy incase they needed to recover their mana.
- Hydra is a type of dragon. It was varied by colors of white, gray and gold in Demon Continent, but they never saw a green type before.
- Roxy said it is a Manatite Hydra that absorbs mana. It was spotted during the second Great Human-Demon War. It was last heard to be slain before the continent split apart.
- They cremated Paul's body there to prevent it from being zombified even though Rudy was conflicted by it. He had hoped to bring some part of him back as a proof to his family, but none is left
- Paul only left 3 things, the metal breastplate that protected his torso, the magic sword and his favourite sword.
- A lot of thinking and reminiscing when Rudy was at the inn. He wonders what Paul is actually thinking seeing his final face in his death, and what is he actually trying to say beforehand (Maybe we will see that more in next episode)
- Rudy had hoped that he could celebrate and then grief together with Zenith once she woke up, but he was truly depressed to see her condition and knowing that he had lost both of them.
Differences from LN
- Part of chapter 10 is shortened after they saved Zenith
RIP Paul
he will be missed
This too on fathers day
they managed to save zenith but at what cost
looks like she isn't herself anymore
feel so bad for Rudy
Some LN Extra Details (Volume 12 Chapter 8-10 (partial))
- Elinalise lends mana imbued crystals to Roxy and Rudy incase they needed to recover their mana.
- Hydra is a type of dragon. It was varied by colors of white, gray and gold in Demon Continent, but they never saw a green type before.
- Roxy said it is a Manatite Hydra that absorbs mana. It was spotted during the second Great Human-Demon War. It was last heard to be slain before the continent split apart.
- They cremated Paul's body there to prevent it from being zombified even though Rudy was conflicted by it. He had hoped to bring some part of him back as a proof to his family, but none is left
- Paul only left 3 things, the metal breastplate that protected his torso, the magic sword and his favourite sword.
- A lot of thinking and reminiscing when Rudy was at the inn. He wonders what Paul is actually thinking seeing his final face in his death, and what is he actually trying to say beforehand (Maybe we will see that more in next episode)
- Rudy had hoped that he could celebrate and then grief together with Zenith once she woke up, but he was truly depressed to see her condition and knowing that he had lost both of them.
Differences from LN
- Part of chapter 10 is shortened after they saved Zenith
| @Homura24 are you the guy from youtube comment? beacuse you two have the exact same LN extra details comment |
Shirobako is AOTY 2015. Deal with it. |
| Happy Father's Day everyone. The choice to have this episode airing on Father's Day was such a twisted decision, but a great decision. I think many of us, even people who weren't spoiled or haven't read the Light Novel, would have saw this coming, but it doesn't make it hurt any less. Clearly, most of the resources went to this episode right here. The most bone-chilling episode since Turning Point 2 in my opinion. The way the music was done to make things hype in the big moments, while staying as eerie and quiet as possible in the sad moments, props to the staff for directing this as well as they did. To make things worse, even though Zenith was saved, she wasn't herself anymore, and that was truly the twist of the knife. Unforgiving, brutal, but excellent episode. Where will we go from here after this tragedy? Paul, you were a flawed person, but in the end a good father. |
| I'm crying. He wasn't without faults, but he was a man and father trying to do his best. Hate it when poor guys like that are met with an end like this. :( |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
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And in fitting fashion, bots are back to ruin the score of the most important ep of this season. Wonderful... what a shame that this happens constantly.
| @MangagnaM No, I think this is the one time where I can agree with the "Hated it". I begrudgingly picked "Loved it" almost after picking "Hated it" |
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so he can predict movement and from nowhere he lost it? he got so much mana and ability.. why didn't he use it in a fight? if they want to kill him okay but make it right! this is bad and this anime felt down by a few stars because of this!
| @LordDurzo It's by like a second, the ability helps in some circumstances but it isnt a cheat code to defeat opposition like the hydra or elite fighters. He lost focus too, which happens after Paul shoved him. He's been vulnerable in fights like these in the past emotionally like in s1 with the Cobra, just that split second made the difference here. |
| What a good, incredible episode, amazing fight, the CGI is broken, but the episode was really good |
| hello, just a brazilian boy who likes anime |
| The fact that this episode is on Father's Day is messed up. Rip paul. You were a good father. o7 |
| He DID save his mother in the end, but at what cost? his father. And a mother with amnesia. |
| "All things, be they divine or mortal, find their ultimate end. It is not a harsh punishment, but a merciful pardon."  |
| HAPPY father's day.... Am I a joke to you? Paul - rip... |
Reply to LordDurzo
MangagnaM said:
@LordDurzo It's by like a second, the ability helps in some circumstances but it isnt a cheat code to defeat opposition like the hydra or elite fighters. He lost focus too, which happens after Paul shoved him. He's been vulnerable in fights like these in the past emotionally like in s1 with the Cobra, just that split second made the difference here.
@LordDurzo It's by like a second, the ability helps in some circumstances but it isnt a cheat code to defeat opposition like the hydra or elite fighters. He lost focus too, which happens after Paul shoved him. He's been vulnerable in fights like these in the past emotionally like in s1 with the Cobra, just that split second made the difference here.
U are right. I was thinking the same thing..maybe it's really only a possibility how to kill him in the best way.. but hydra didn't seem to be tough like they try to make her.
| @LordDurzo They definitely made it tough, limbs were flying off, Elinalise was burned by light contact a couple times, regeneration, etc. Keep in mind, the people that faced off against the hydra comprise of S-rank adventurers in Paul, Elinalise, Talhand and Geese, Roxy a Water King and one of the strongest water mages in the world and Rudeus, a guy who is good at voiceless incantation and is very versatile and trained heavily with even stronger people like Ruijerd while adventuring together in the Demon continent of all places with monsters. The people who fought the hydra are not too far from the best that can fight in this dungeon, and they still struggled a lot and lost Paul + Rudeus' hand. |
| No words... Just bawling my eyes out here. I can't. Happy Father's Day. |
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| I think I was spoiled on Paul's death a while back but never knew specifically when it would happen. With all the flags leading up to this episode though, I figured this was it. What an episode. The tension, the stakes, obviously the animation, and the sacrifice. RIP Paul. That one week break so that this episode could land on Father's Day, whether intentional or purely coincidental, is devious work. And to add insult to injury Zenith can't even speak properly. Rudy is going through it for sure. Remember a few episodes ago, the Turning Point episode when Rudy made the conscious decision to rescue Zenith despite Man-God's warnings, and people came in here complaining "hOw iS tHiS a TuRniNg pOiNt?" Yea, hopefully they understand now. |
thebrentinator24Jun 16, 2024 10:06 AM
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
| I already knew what will happen and CG Hydra was lame af, but it wasn't 1/5 for sure. What the hell with the hate? 30%? Get a life sickos ^^ |
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| What an episode, full of emotions RIP Paul |
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| Happy Father’s Day…Been sat here for like 20 minutes just trying to conceptualise what we just witnessed. On the surface, animation, action all at the best they’ve ever been in Mushoku, but narratively a devastating episode. In time I’ll probably be able to look back and appreciate the greatness of the writing here, but for now it just hurts. Tuff to put the blame on one person, but Rudeus freezing up mid fight really did get Paul killed. Man God told him he’d regret it and he will for the rest of his life. On the other hand(pun intended) if he doesn’t go to the labyrinth, Zenith probably dies and he doesn’t get back in contact with Roxy, so it’s basically a soul for a soul situation. What really hurts and credit to the author and animation staff for not shying away from it is how brutal and quick Paul’s death was. Straight up cut in half in an instant.. Rudeus didn’t even get to say goodbye or to have a proper last conversation with him, he won’t see Rudeus’ kids, Rudeus will never know what he wanted to tell him last episode.. Norn.. oh God Norn is gonna be broken. This just sucks, fuck. And then to top it off Zenith’s brain has been turned to mush. So you save her and what did it cost? Everything. |
Marinate1016Jun 16, 2024 10:51 AM
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| Mushoku is genius for planning the Sylphie pregnancy episode on Mother’s Day, and THIS episode on Father’s Day. Absolutely heart-wrenching, but very likely the best episode in the series in my opinion. |
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| So many thought but I can only wrap them up to: RIP Paul. Not a perfect father but always loved and fought for his family. Rudeus not only lost an arm and his father this episode but Zenith is now in a state you NEVER want to see after going to such lengths to save her. TRIPLE salt in the wound man my god. And absolutely FOUL AF releasing this episode on Father’s Day  |
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