Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai: Tensai-tachi no Renai Zunousen Chapter 278 Discussion

nazunaa said:
Being a parallel to Miyuki and Kaguya, safe to say that my otp IshiMiko is set on stone. Although I prefer a direct confirmation...but who knows..

RobertBobert said:


Did you ever doubt that this would become canon? Lol.

hyperknees91 said:


That's part of the problem. People can say that "Well at least it's confirmed they'll end up together at some point", but that has been obvious ever since chapter 246 (a frustrating chapter in its own right to be fair, as its been seemingly completely ignored by the pair). This kind of ending is a cop out, plain and simple.

Doesn't help that the author is clearly added Hayasaka's dream to make their future vague so that people would have incentive to read the spin-off if he chooses to make one (but because it is a dream, he can easily just retcon it at any given time as well). It's just so lazy and exhausting how he continually resets their progress without giving any sort of real closure.

RobertBobert said:


Now that you mentioned it, I also realized that Hayasaka's dream does not depict them as a couple so as not to spoil this chapter. In that case, it makes it even more artificial.

hyperknees91 said:


I feel like it was written for that express purpose in mind. It certainly wasn't a closure for Hayasaka's character in any fashion, nor does it tell you much of anything you couldn't figure out for yourself with the other three.

RobertBobert said:


What annoyed me the most was that Ino became an alcoholic and flippant party girl with no depth, while Hayasaka just ended up with "oh btw, did I tell you I was happy?" instead of any real conclusion. It just seemed like a typical one-shot joke where the character dreams of future versions of them and their friends. Not even a "where are they now?" epilogue, just a rushed finale for a canceled series.

hyperknees91 said:


Exactly. Hayasaka was never written to be a main character and should have left the moment the school trip arc ended as she's adds nothing to the story afterwards, and with her ending chapter, she just ends up doing what she was going to do then anyway.

Iino turning into a joke character just seemed like a way to spit in the face of fans of her, whereas this finale was to spit in the face of fans of both of them. Their whole appeal is they were more grounded and real than Kaguya/Miyuki who were more cartoony/goofy. Now even that is lost from the way their characters close out.

RobertBobert said:


I'm just annoyed that what was supposed to be the ending just ends up looking like a generic chapter with Chika and Hayasaka's manzai and Kaguya as a straight man.

I just can't understand it. These two canonically love each other and Aka could only put an end to it. As a result, their relationship just hung in the air without any interesting ending, and Ino is an alcoholic. It's even worse than just a formal end. Or was he going to solve it with a "someday" cameo in the future in Oshi no Ko?

hyperknees91 said:


Being cynical I would imagine he is burned out but someone suggested he leave it open enough for these two so he has an excuse to come back to it if necessary, or possibly to give to another author to finish out their story. Or even more cynical he left it open because Oshi no Ko takes place in the same universe and it gives people an excuse to check it out to possibly see a more definite confirmation there much like you suggested. Basically pure sales/marketing reasons, otherwise there's no reason for this kind of decision. There is certainly no story sense to it as Ishigami is not the manipulative mind-gamey type and he has never once approached his romance to Iino like that.

But I think its pretty obvious by how he's approaching every characters issue so unnaturally in this final volume how little care he is putting into the writing...so I wouldn't think too heavily on it, clearly the author isn't. He simply put, doesn't care about this series anymore.

hyperknees91 said:


Being cynical I would imagine he is burned out but someone suggested he leave it open enough for these two so he has an excuse to come back to it if necessary, or possibly to give to another author to finish out their story. Or even more cynical he left it open because Oshi no Ko takes place in the same universe and it gives people an excuse to check it out to possibly see a more definite confirmation there much like you suggested. Basically pure sales/marketing reasons, otherwise there's no reason for this kind of decision. There is certainly no story sense to it as Ishigami is not the manipulative mind-gamey type and he has never once approached his romance to Iino like that.

But I think its pretty obvious by how he's approaching every characters issue so unnaturally in this final volume how little care he is putting into the writing...so I wouldn't think too heavily on it, clearly the author isn't. He simply put, doesn't care about this series anymore.

FocusIssues said:


I don't know where this Cult of Aka came from in the first place. His first manga, Instant Bullet, was axed. It had many of the same flaws that Kaguya Sama had except it was a dark, brooding pile of crap. He does know how to create "hooks" that get the audience initially interested but he has always lacked discipline to evaluate his writing and to plan plot structure. He likes to spit memes and troll and criticize just about everything, including his own fans, but never seems to look in the mirror. As soon as he left the formulaic writing up to the confession, he became dark and brooding once again and the narrative fell apart with incomplete arcs, irrelevant side characters, and poor art to be honest. This chapter was just the icing on the cake as it was clear he was rubbing it in the shippers' faces. Now, I don't care about shipping but I do care about consistent storytelling and professionalism, especially after I have followed a manga for a couple of years. Admittedly, I dropped this a couple of months ago but to kick your fans in the face doesn't seem to be a good look. And yet you have the "Chad Aka," "Aka is a Genius," and "Madlad" idiots still spouting their pablum. What is with them?

hyperknees91 said:


I couldn't tell you, this behavior actually existed before the cultural festival in the manga and I always thought it was strange. My guess is it's something that started out as a meme that got out of hand and people took it as truth and it simply never went away (I'm not really familiar with meme culture, but I've noticed people doing the same thing with other memes). Regardless, most of these people have nothing of note to comment on in regards to the series except throw-away statements about the mangaka's expertise like you mentioned. They're free to believe, but I wouldn't trust him to deliver a satisfactory plot in any other story or something more plot driven where he can't rely on cheap comedy gimmicks to carry him.

FocusIssues said:


To demonstrate that my critique of Aka's ability is not based on "ships," look at the members. Iino goes around complaining about not being able to find anyone to be in the council when you have both Moeha and Kei working in the middle school council. If he was really concerned about story continuity and plot, why aren't they there? Instead, you have a Shirogane clone - very funny - and a girl with a beret that is an obvious throwback to an infamous Rent-a-Girlfriend chapter, a meme maybe but certainly not funny or consistent with the story.

Light- said:
And so nothing developed between them other than becoming kaguya and miyuki v2 and hinting at the potential for a spinoff. Based move by akachad ngl