Prexsy said: Animosh91 said: So much negativity here. I mean, I understand that people are disappointed that one of their favorite parts and/or arcs of a light novel are changed for no good reason, and though I understand why they did it (establishing a strong female lead to draw the audience in, giving them a ship and all that), having Horikita take up the roles of other characters seems like a pretty lousy decision that was inevitably going to backfire with light novel readers. Having said that, from what I've read about it (not a light novel reader myself), not adapting the Karuizawa arc seems like a good choice to me. Sure, they shouldn't have been adapting a story from two volumes ahead to begin with, but given that they decided to do so, replacing Karuizawa was the correct decision. Why? Because you can't just take a significant character moment from two volumes ahead and expect it to fit in. It would have revealed important information and would have changed the character dynamics prematurely. More importantly, though the filler/fanservice episodes were annoying and broke up the pace of the series, and some characters are probably getting more spotlight than they should, for the regular viewer, there's still a lot to like. Ayanokoji is my favorite MC this season (maybe even this year), with how mysterious and composed he is, and the atmosphere is quite nice. It strikes a good balance between comedy and tension, and the soundtrack is fitting. Could this show have been better? No question. But it's still pretty good, and all this talk of dropping it because of a few admittedly questionable decisions seems like a major overreaction to me. Usually when people say theyll drop an anime theyre lying. I wont drop this anime but im simply disappointed. Yes, to someone that hasnt read the LN i can see why this anime is still really good to thim. Ayanokiji is a great relief for anime watchers that are getting tired of these lame ass MCs with a horrible character. But, im not sure, you seem like a casual anime watcher. In Japan they are hardcore anime watchers and dont play around when it comes to this shit. It may not be serious to me or you, but it is to them. And anime producers dont care too much about us in America (or where ever you live) they really only care about what people think in Japan. Also i cant agree with you on the not putting karuizawa in was a good idea part. It makes no sense not to. She wouldnt of revealed anything lol she literally would of just did exactly what horikita did. And the MC trusts karuizawa more than anyone so why wouldnt they put her in the anime? It just doesnt make since. Bozzzz said: idk if it would be better as a harem but less Horikita would be better shast007 said: after reading kuraizawa arc(on this section), i plan to drop this anime, well thats important that those 3 stoogies who keep getting more screen time, hopefully they put some OVA on those lost arc note (i didnt read any ln material) sooner or later many good parts will be skip, better to drop I suggest not dropping it :p Bozzzz said: idk if it would be better as a harem but less Horikita would be better Everything is better with a harem ;) GokuNazz said: Well, I enjoyed this show more because I dont read the source material. If season 2 happens then f**k yeah But seriously, it's kinda pathethic this show gets flanked just because they deviate a lil' from the source (LN). The show hasn't even finished airing yet. Obviously they will cut some stuff out where necessary. I don't see the 'wow' factor if you already know what is ahead of the episodes (from reading the LN), which is why I'd stay away from the LN until a show ends no matter how great they are. Ignorance is a bliss :) Edited: And can someome share/point me the statistics showing that the number of LNs reader watching this show is more (majority) than the viewers who never read the LNs? Then i'd agree with your opinion at face value. I disagree. Watching something you read makes it that much more amazing. I get your point though. Did you say "Deviate a lil" lol they literally didnt introduce a main character. Like I said above i can tell you arent from Japan, also what we think dont matter only Japan :/. Like how people outside of Japan hated ReZero because of Subaru, but Japan loved it I dont know the statistics about that, hopefully someone else does, but im pretty sure the majority are LN readers. If they read the LN im sure theyd most likely watch the anime. I get what you mean too and your disappointment as well, it's like watching your imagination coming to life only to be /maddisappointed since it doesn't really go according to what you hoped for. Hence, that's why I said it's better to watch first and read afterwards. But oh well, it's all a matter of perspective :) Either way, I hope things will get better in the next few episodes. |
Prexsy said: Also i cant agree with you on the not putting karuizawa in was a good idea part. It makes no sense not to. She wouldnt of revealed anything lol she literally would of just did exactly what horikita did. And the MC trusts karuizawa more than anyone so why wouldnt they put her in the anime? It just doesnt make since. I haven't read the light novel, but if these spoilers are to be believed, their interaction would have revealed two important pieces of information: Moreover, if Ayanokoji's interactions with Karuizawa make him trust her more than anyone else (as you claim), it would have significantly changed the character dynamics right before a major arc. Again, I haven't read the light novel, but I can't imagine that having no impact on future events. So, yeah, stupid decision to adapt this story prematurely, but replacing Karuizawa honestly seems like a good choice to me. As for your other points: I know my opinion is unimportant for anime producers, and I agree with you that this series is unlikely to get a second season (hell, that probably was the case even before all this controversy). But changing their minds wasn't my goal. I just wanted to voice my opinion. :) |
Animosh91Sep 5, 2017 8:55 AM
Prexsy said: Thats not necessarily a spoiler. Everyone watching the anime has been eager to learn ayanokojis past. Well sure, but there's a right time and place to introduce new information, and presumably the author decided to share it with us at that point in his light novel series for a reason. I'm just not a fan of changing the order of important reveals. And yes, people have been eager to learn about Ayanokoji's past, but it is supposed to be a mystery that is resolved very gradually. Their satisfaction will be all the greater after some good old build-up. And i may be confused with the LN lol sometimes i get them mixed up, but i thought Definitely not. I understand, though. I sometimes get confused too when I've read the source material. When you've read the source material the order of events can feel less urgent as well. You just want to see your favorite parts animated. But for the anime only viewers, it's essential. youll understand how much better the anime would of been with her and the others added. I mean, in theory they could reserve all of that for a second season. You know, establish a strong core cast of characters in the first season, and then expand it in the second. But that's probably never going to happen. So, yeah, I totally understand your disappointment. I just think the adaptation does quite a few things right too, and it would be a shame to let your disappointment ruin your enjoyment of the only adaptation this series may ever see. I just wanted to let you know because sometimes it seems like the people on this site think ranting on a forum will change something, but thank god you already know Yep, well aware! Forums like this are about the joy of expressing and discussing your ideas, not about something as noble as changing the world. :) |
Animosh91Sep 5, 2017 1:13 PM
halovn113 said: solomon585858 said: From what I saw in anime Karuizawa's role is to be lovestruck girlfriend of that smart dude from class D. Seems to me there is not much that can be developed between Ayanokoji and her. Don't get why people are upset about not giving her more important role. She's very important girl later start from vol 4. She's the girl Ayanokiji trusts the most and willing protect her. Not only that, she's one of 3 girls have confirm has romantic feeling to Ayanokiji. And more important is she the closest person + only person know Ayanokiji dark side and working for him directly. That's why LN reader love her. Maybe she like main heroine more than Horikita in the lastest volume because her position and role right now. About the class rep. Well, they're just a fake couple. But they adapt her story aka pool story in ep 7 TOO SOON (because it's after vol 4) and replace her role/ line to Horikita. there aren't three girls though |
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aquaspirit39 said: TakeTheWindward said: there aren't three girls though Third girl was shown in episode 1 in the anime but is not properly introduced to Anime viewers. Although we probably will not get a second season, it is good to pay attention to the so called mob/background characters because most of them are actual character. it still is just conjecture though |
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aquaspirit39 said: TakeTheWindward said: it still is just conjecture though About this anime not getting second season? Yea sure, but this prediction isn't just random predictions but with fact to back it up. So I guess it is similar to weather forecast. This maybe wrong but probably right level of prediction. Haha if you get what I mean. I personally don't want another season. It hurts to see such a good source getting butchered this badly. It just hurts... Especially when you know the original is such a masterpiece (so far) the light novel is certainly not a masterpiece, and it is interesting to see the different personality Ayanokoji has. if the anime was 24 episodes, it wouldve been faithful to the novel since all the small antics in it would consume so much time. Also, i meant that the 3 girls liking Ayanokoji aren't *that* explicit |
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GokuNazz said: Well, I enjoyed this show more because I dont read the source material. If season 2 happens then f**k yeah But seriously, it's kinda pathethic this show gets flanked just because they deviate a lil' from the source (LN). The show hasn't even finished airing yet. Obviously they will cut some stuff out where necessary. I don't see the 'wow' factor if you already know what is ahead of the episodes (from reading the LN), which is why I'd stay away from the LN until a show ends no matter how great they are. Ignorance is a bliss :) Edited: And can someome share/point me the statistics showing that the number of LNs reader watching this show is more (majority) than the viewers who never read the LNs? Then i'd agree with your opinion at face value. I'm enjoying the show as well but if what the LN readers are saying is true, then it's not "a lil" they deviated but a lot. From what I've gathered in this thread, these are the changes (cr: carliz_kun, halovn113): > Ichinose's idea and actions changed to Horikita's > Karuizawa's role (and story) in her arc replaced by Horikata > Arisu's role in white room episode stolen by Horikata So basically Horikata is taking over all the girls' roles in the anime. Which I'm now a bit disappointed since I really like the designs of Karuizawa and Ichinose. |
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| I also love the anime (never read LN. And i also don´t care all the time if an anime follow the LN/manga plot.) But can´t say i like the main girl wither like more Sakura and kei. But still like the show and color. Want 24 eps least. |
| IS anyone translating the LN ?? I'd love to read the light novel |
| I read the LN adaptation. Pretty boring i guess. Ayanokouji's role is more like a narrator to me. It's a good things in anime they cut unnecessary scenes from the LN but it's not better either. So i don't think this will get the 2nd season. |
Hirugiku said: Thanks for sharing all that, even if i kinda knew most of it before. There is also that image which is HILARIOUS  I was going to say Horikita is best girl, but then I realize...she is the only girl. |
| After reading the many comments about the original source, the girl mistreatment and Horikita and 3 stooges "spotlight". I can't really argue much about what they have done or not, since I have not read the source material. Japan is pissed and it seems that so are a lot of people here who have read the novels. That's fair, you're free to feel like that if you think you got "betrayed". Anime changes happen here and there and it is not uncommon to see them. Are they good or not? Maybe the answer is no, but I wanna add another element to the discussion, ahem. This series will "apparently" last for one cour right? And to my understanding after reading the comments here (and some other sources) the other girls' importance shows deeper in the later arcs isn't it? So the question I wanna bring is not whether the change for Horikita-focus is good or not, but whether it makes sense or not. If I got this right Karuizawa shines in two parts: The "camera" trick to catch Class C goons and then the Pool Episode, right? Now here are my two cents on the whole issue. Horikita was portrayed from the get-go as the one who will do anything to succeed no matter the lengths. Whether it is truthful or not, or good or not, it does make sense character-wise for her to make a declaration of war (even if to get everyone's attention). The Class C "catching" goes on the same deal, she is the "intelligent" one, the "cunning one" the "composed one". Sure Ayanokoji pointed it out for her, but she had the smarts to do the whole thing afterwards. There is also an issue with the arcs. Horikita is (again from my knowledge) a prominent character in this Island Arc (which is likely the last of the adaptation) whereas Karuizawa features prominently in the next Arc directly after that (which if I understand right is some Battle Royal-esque Arc with the classes divided in groups ain't it? and Ayanakoji ends up with Karuizawa). So the question is, why bother "developing" a character whose importance is relatively null until later Arcs that "won't get adapted now"? It almost sounds as if throwing bait for people to believe some bigger prize is gonna come and let us waiting and drooling for the food that will never come. Again I'm not arguing whether the changes are good or not, I'm only arguing whether they make sense or not. I have not read the LN so I have limited knowledge of the whole thing. But based on what I manage, it isn't unrealistic to think this was the guideline used by the studio to make the changes. Why bother with Karuizawa when she won't be important for what "we need"? It is almost like promising a 2nd cour when in truth you don't know if it will be true. Sudo and the rest are basically meh characters, yes I agree with that. But Sudo was the focus of two things: a) His failed average scores b) The "beating" incident. He is a character featured frequently, so giving him more spotlight isn't unrealistic. Ike for another part shows some deep expertise here on the Island Arc. Contrasting his "clown" attitude with his real abilities makes for some good contrast and gets you engaged on his "development". In the end that's likely the point. "During this part that we'll animate, who is more relevant for this section, and who for those that are best served for later on"? As such you edit things in order to make the most sense of what you're gonna adapt. Perhaps it was a flop, but maybe they thought these changes were more consequent. I cannot guarantee, maybe they just flat didn't read/understand source material. But I purely want to add a new perspective on the whole issue. Sure it got a lot of people pissed, but can we really say it was "dumb"? adaptating a series is a behemoth on its own league and changes are made thinking on what can sell better. Like say Fuuka's adaptation that changed the outcome of "that incident" that initially got fans absolutely flared and outraged in favour of a different development. It likely markets to those who wanted to see an alternate outcome. For You-zitsa it was meant to be something else, who knows. Well those are my two cents on the whole thing, you're free to agree, disagree and tell me why. Sorry that it got dragged this long tho. |
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| I don't have anything against the show and most likely because I've never read the LN before. I don't even have a big problem with Horikita. Like I seriously like her more than other female characters in this Anime but ofc I can understand why many people are annoyed. |
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| I haven't really read much of the novels (english translations only got to the first 2 episodes of the anime.) but I was really intrigued in the beginning. Now I feel like there were too much fanservice and the girls just annoy me so much. Plus, I doubt there'll be a proper ending with so many holes still left to fill and only one episode to do it. |
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| The only thing I'm going to be angry about is if this anime doesn't actually get a second season, because I'm loving it. The swimsuit episode was pretty funny so I don't see much of a problem with it. I never really noticed Horikita was hogging that much screen time, it seemed kinda normal to me. And besides, last episode had that cute moment with the red hair girl while she walked around with him the whole time. |
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| i don't really care for all the hate because poor adaptation or whatever. as someone who hasn't read the LN i think the anime is greaood (great+good(more good than great)). personally i like horikita so i don't mind that she has a lot of screen time though i would have liked for some of the other characters to get more screen time if they had i probably would have been annoyed and just called this another harem. so i'm glad the panties are dropping every time ayanokoji enters a room (at least for now). if this really doesn't get a season 2 i will be disappointed but worst case scenario i'll just read the LN, i usually don't do that but i do genuinely like this series, even if it has a few problems like the 3 stooges getting way to much screen time and episode 7 and kind of 8. i mean i like fan service don't get me wrong but it did indeed ruin the pacing of the story and it probably shouldn't have been an entire episode long. although even then when watching the episode i didn't hate it just felt maybe it should have been saved for another time. long story short i'd like a season 2 if not oh well i'll read the LN. i never really compare anime and novel or manga because they are completely different viewing experiences and because of time constraints in anime it's unreasonable to compare the two in every situation. |
Prexsy said: I wont get into much detail here, but basically the reason this anime will most likely not get a season 2 is because, well, Japan is pissed. If you read the LN im sure youd be pissed as well, I am too. This anime could of been amazing, it had great potential which is why people hate the fact that they screwed it up. Let me explain a little. The problem is the anime adaptation is like 100x worst than the LN. It feels like Lerche thought this anime was only getting 1 season so they kind of just... made the anime how he wants? But lets get into why Japan is pissed. Basically they all are hating Horikita right now (especially after episode 7). Why? She's stealing every other female character's spotlight. Lets take episode 8 for example (I was really pissed this episide). I was happy today expecting to see some deveolpment between Ayanokoji and Ichinose (Class b girl). But no, instead we get more Horikita. Honestly she's starting to get annoying at this point. Not only me, but everyone in Japan was excited for this. Also, dont mind my all caps here, THEY DECIDED TO COMPLETELY TAKE OUT THE AYANOKOJI AND KARUIZAWA ARC! I was pissed. You remember the episide when Horikita gave that cringey ass speech? That episode was supposed to be for Ayanokoji and Karuizawa, but no lets just give it to Horikita. Those two were supposed to have an intimate and memorial moment but they completely left her out of it. I was really looking forward to that, and so was Japan. Theres more but ill end that there. Next let talk about the annoying 3 stooges. Ya know Sudo and his 2 friends? Well they are getting too much screen time. All this screen time being wasted on them could be used for the MCs development. Ayanokoji is pretty much carrying this show right now, which wouldn't be happening if they didn't waste valuable screen time on these lame asses and Horikita and used it for Ayanokoji and the other female characters. Like what was the point of wasting 5 minutes watching Ike tell Kushida can he call her by her given name? All 3 of them are annoying characters that get to much screen time. I get it, Sudo is a hot headed fucker, you dont have to tell me every episode. I swear this anime could of been so much better. Next is the fucking fanservice. There was one episode that felt like a damn ova. Just like the 3 stooges, fanservice is taking up too much valuable screen time. Every likes some fanservice if course, but not when its fucking the anime over. Anyone who can control their libido knows that. Also, as you know, anime getting a next season depends on the producers and the sales in Japan. Welp, it aint looking too good. The sales were doing ok (not good not bad) but after the release of episode 7 and 8, the guys in Japan have been boycotting the BD reservations for this anime. They are completely pissed and expected a lot more out of this anime. Im pretty sure this wont get another season especially after I found out what hapoened in Japan. To sum this up, Japan is pissed, they fucked the anime adaptation over, and the sales are starting to do bad in Japan now. I had very high hopes for this anime, but I'm very disappointed in Lerche. This was typed on my phone so please excuse any spelling errors :p If theres something I missed feel free to say so. This is pretty much the answer to all "why x LN sucked wee-wee" topics. Though NA is more inclined to complain I guess. But the "make the main girl the main main girl in this pretty much falls in cline with the bit about it being one season. It's a cash grab and the limited time a seaon can produce enables more screentime for characters, numerically speaking but ultimately playing out to be nothing more than tropes and puzzles for the lead(s) to solve. |
| Now now now, I know it has some flaws and I haven't read the LN yet, ( psst.IS the LN really good?) but do we really need to bash the shit out of Horikita? maybe.. lmao. blame the producers.. kill them with fire!! |
GokuNazz said: Well, I enjoyed this show more because I dont read the source material. If season 2 happens then f**k yeah But seriously, it's kinda pathethic this show gets flanked just because they deviate a lil' from the source (LN). The show hasn't even finished airing yet. Obviously they will cut some stuff out where necessary. I don't see the 'wow' factor if you already know what is ahead of the episodes (from reading the LN), which is why I'd stay away from the LN until a show ends no matter how great they are. Ignorance is a bliss :) Edited: And can someome share/point me the statistics showing that the number of LNs reader watching this show is more (majority) than the viewers who never read the LNs? Then i'd agree with your opinion at face value. This is kinda the problem I seen when Re: Zero was airing last year. Though, it was an inverse, we were told to pretty much sit through any and everything because it gets better. Funny thing is when what I'm assuming was the "gets better" part was at least another 10-20 episodes considering how it dragged. But here we are with a show that is from what we're hearing doing bad on both big fronts. Even if the LN source is good I think we have to accept the letdowns as inevitable considering anime is drifting more and more towards a cheap, profit driven formula which, even this is turning less and less cash with the coming of changes in technology. |
"The problem is the anime adaptation is like 100x worst than the LN." What? LN is the same peace of shit as an anime. |
| That tsundere and those 3 friends are litteraly one of the worst characters In the anime And i like fan service but god that beach ep gave me cancer that was the worst beach ep i saw in my life if they want to give us fan service they should at least give us good quality fan service and the art qnd animation is extremly lazy most of the time . |
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| LN has fresh, detailed story than manga, but still, it still depends on the writer. I don't read novel because the lines is very... heavy to read (in short, too long.) It takes me 2 hours to read a freaking 1 volume. Kappa*. And nowadays the animation is getting worse than early animation, the story is losing it's path. And that's why Japan is pissed. lol. They getting lazier than I though, or just the studio. If this happen again on the next year, I might not gonna watch any high quality Light Novels Animes... Anyway, about getting 2nd season... Meh, It might not getting possible this time. Just like I said at the top of this sentence. *I don't like fan service if it's too much... |
| Guys you can give a try to read the LN version and as for me, I already give up reading the novel. Who knows, maybe I'll continue reading again but only the protagonist being the bada$$ as he should be like the early chapters and he stop doing the job of 'narrator'. That really pissed me off. |
| This anime feels like it should be 24 epds, so I am hoping for a S2 as well. |
| It's fine except the director being a massive Horikita fan and putting her in scenes she doesn't need to be. |
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| I don't need season 2 of this shitty show. |
BGMaxie said: After reading the many comments about the original source, the girl mistreatment and Horikita and 3 stooges "spotlight". I can't really argue much about what they have done or not, since I have not read the source material. Japan is pissed and it seems that so are a lot of people here who have read the novels. That's fair, you're free to feel like that if you think you got "betrayed". Anime changes happen here and there and it is not uncommon to see them. Are they good or not? Maybe the answer is no, but I wanna add another element to the discussion, ahem. This series will "apparently" last for one cour right? And to my understanding after reading the comments here (and some other sources) the other girls' importance shows deeper in the later arcs isn't it? So the question I wanna bring is not whether the change for Horikita-focus is good or not, but whether it makes sense or not. If I got this right Karuizawa shines in two parts: The "camera" trick to catch Class C goons and then the Pool Episode, right? Now here are my two cents on the whole issue. Horikita was portrayed from the get-go as the one who will do anything to succeed no matter the lengths. Whether it is truthful or not, or good or not, it does make sense character-wise for her to make a declaration of war (even if to get everyone's attention). The Class C "catching" goes on the same deal, she is the "intelligent" one, the "cunning one" the "composed one". Sure Ayanokoji pointed it out for her, but she had the smarts to do the whole thing afterwards. There is also an issue with the arcs. Horikita is (again from my knowledge) a prominent character in this Island Arc (which is likely the last of the adaptation) whereas Karuizawa features prominently in the next Arc directly after that (which if I understand right is some Battle Royal-esque Arc with the classes divided in groups ain't it? and Ayanakoji ends up with Karuizawa). So the question is, why bother "developing" a character whose importance is relatively null until later Arcs that "won't get adapted now"? It almost sounds as if throwing bait for people to believe some bigger prize is gonna come and let us waiting and drooling for the food that will never come. Again I'm not arguing whether the changes are good or not, I'm only arguing whether they make sense or not. I have not read the LN so I have limited knowledge of the whole thing. But based on what I manage, it isn't unrealistic to think this was the guideline used by the studio to make the changes. Why bother with Karuizawa when she won't be important for what "we need"? It is almost like promising a 2nd cour when in truth you don't know if it will be true. Sudo and the rest are basically meh characters, yes I agree with that. But Sudo was the focus of two things: a) His failed average scores b) The "beating" incident. He is a character featured frequently, so giving him more spotlight isn't unrealistic. Ike for another part shows some deep expertise here on the Island Arc. Contrasting his "clown" attitude with his real abilities makes for some good contrast and gets you engaged on his "development". In the end that's likely the point. "During this part that we'll animate, who is more relevant for this section, and who for those that are best served for later on"? As such you edit things in order to make the most sense of what you're gonna adapt. Perhaps it was a flop, but maybe they thought these changes were more consequent. I cannot guarantee, maybe they just flat didn't read/understand source material. But I purely want to add a new perspective on the whole issue. Sure it got a lot of people pissed, but can we really say it was "dumb"? adaptating a series is a behemoth on its own league and changes are made thinking on what can sell better. Like say Fuuka's adaptation that changed the outcome of "that incident" that initially got fans absolutely flared and outraged in favour of a different development. It likely markets to those who wanted to see an alternate outcome. For You-zitsa it was meant to be something else, who knows. Well those are my two cents on the whole thing, you're free to agree, disagree and tell me why. Sorry that it got dragged this long tho. Mostly my thoughs on the matter. I appreciate reading someone who think further than "director just like Horikita". If they intend to do only one season to promote the original story, it suceeded in doing so. If they do some foreshadow for other character knowing it won't be adapted, people will still be ranting they forced you to buy the LN and it was just a teasing... Having Horikita appearing on those scenes does not matter, story-wise, for a non LN reader point of view. For LN readers who started hating Horikita (supposing they weren't before), that's stupid to blame the character for that. xD If episode 7 happened, it's most likely to fill the gap between the 2 arcs adapted to have enough episodes for their contract. (Or maybe they asked the studio to do it.) |
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