Quanzhi Gaoshou Episode 8 Discussion

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Was hoping they'd make Wang's eyes more obvious. Ah well.

May 25, 2017 8:05 PM

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Lemon said:
Was hoping they'd make Wang's eyes more obvious. Ah well.

The Chinese fujoshi fans will burn the Tencent building if they do this..........

May 26, 2017 9:15 PM

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lollideath said:

Lemon said:
Was hoping they'd make Wang's eyes more obvious. Ah well.

The Chinese fujoshi fans will burn the Tencent building if they do this..........

Well, recently I saw news on weibo, Tencent's new building was set on fire....

May 26, 2017 10:31 PM

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pharali said:

lollideath said:

The Chinese fujoshi fans will burn the Tencent building if they do this..........

Well, recently I saw news on weibo, Tencent's new building was set on fire....

Hahhaahahah maybe some Glory fans did it, I dunno.....Tencent is located in Shenzhen, Guangdong, is Blue Rain there? I know Excellent Era is in Hangzhou...

May 28, 2017 11:35 AM

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＼（＾▽＾）／ STEAMED BUN INVASION HYPE!!! ＼（＾▽＾）／

Probably one of the best entrances I've ever seen! The music is excellent (reminds me of "Stayin' Alive lol xD)

May 29, 2017 8:39 PM

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Surprised he would run away and log out like that. Also ending in a draw was strange. Didn't know that could happen.

May 30, 2017 8:25 PM

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Having not read the LN I must say it doesn't seem like anything's missing. Sure, I noticed they skipped over a few of the matches but they showed who won and I gathered that the players were gaining valuable experience. I thought this was a great episode.

Jun 1, 2017 1:16 AM

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Okay, I didn't really pay attention to watching this episode the first time because I was with someone. Now I rewatched it and I'm left dumbfounded.

Is this Magician guy lazy, complacent, or just incompetent? He's suppose to be helping these newbies in the training division yet he couldn't see for god knows how long what MC-kun noticed after just a few matches with Yifan? He's suppose to be helping the kid improve yet he couldn't be arsed enough to notice the playstyle doesn't suit the kid? Is our god MC-kun the only one with half a brain among these fast button mashers?

And don't get me started on the APM again. When you play the game at the highest level, the APM gap tends to narrow a lot. It becomes more about knowing all the options available to the enemy, predicting which one he'll chose, and then proactively stopping it instead of being reactive and defensive.

When you play a game with peers, its the prediction game that matters which comes down to boring things like good game sense, game knowledge, and vision. When there are four enemies missing on the minimap and you are overextending and in a bad position without any allies nearby, you know there is a good chance that they are ganking you. Because if you're in their shoes you'd be ganking your out of position ass too. You move to the trees, under the fog of war and teleport out as fast as you can. If your first warning of trouble isn't an empty minimap but a Fissure through the fog of war and a gank party jumping on top of you, you're dead.

For once could someone say "He's going to do this thing. How do I know? Because if I were him, that's what I'd do."

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le_halfhand_easy said:
Is this Magician guy lazy, complacent, or just incompetent? He's suppose to be helping these newbies in the training division yet he couldn't see for god knows how long what MC-kun noticed after just a few matches with Yifan? He's suppose to be helping the kid improve yet he couldn't be arsed enough to notice the playstyle doesn't suit the kid? Is our god MC-kun the only one with half a brain among these fast button mashers?

Qiao Yifan and Gao Yingjie joined Tiny Herb at the same time I believe as newcomer pros.
Gao Yingjie stood out as a bright star who could become the next Magician (inherit Wang Jiexi's character and title), so he is being trained to inherit it.
Living in Gao Yingjie's HUMONGOUS shadow, Qiao Yifan didn't get much face. Although he pays attention to his teammates and tries to support them, the treat him like a gopher rather than a teammate.

Later in the WN, Ye Xiu mentions that most of the Clubs aren't set up to nurture people, but more like a group to mold people into copies of the previous owners of the high-end character's owners. There's a quote, something like: Pro players grow old and weaken, but the characters are forever.

Jun 6, 2017 3:28 PM

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lollideath said:

pharali said:

Well, recently I saw news on weibo, Tencent's new building was set on fire....

Hahhaahahah maybe some Glory fans did it, I dunno.....Tencent is located in Shenzhen, Guangdong, is Blue Rain there? I know Excellent Era is in Hangzhou...

Yup. They're annoying canto speakers in G-city which is Guangzhou.

I shouldn't laugh about the Tencent fire but considering this comment chain it's kinda hilarious.

Jun 6, 2017 6:46 PM

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le_halfhand_easy said:
Okay, I didn't really pay attention to watching this episode the first time because I was with someone. Now I rewatched it and I'm left dumbfounded.

Is this Magician guy lazy, complacent, or just incompetent? He's suppose to be helping these newbies in the training division yet he couldn't see for god knows how long what MC-kun noticed after just a few matches with Yifan? He's suppose to be helping the kid improve yet he couldn't be arsed enough to notice the playstyle doesn't suit the kid? Is our god MC-kun the only one with half a brain among these fast button mashers?

And don't get me started on the APM again. When you play the game at the highest level, the APM gap tends to narrow a lot. It becomes more about knowing all the options available to the enemy, predicting which one he'll choose, and then proactively stopping it instead of being reactive and defensive.

When you play a game with peers, its the prediction game that matters which comes down to boring things like good game sense, game knowledge, and vision. When there are four enemies missing on the minimap and you are overextending and in a bad position without any allies nearby, you know there is a good chance that they are ganking you. Because if you're in their shoes you'd be ganking your out of position ass too. You move to the trees, under the fog of war and teleport out as fast as you can. If your first warning of trouble isn't an empty minimap but a Fissure through the fog of war and a gank party jumping on top of you, you're dead.

For once could someone say "He's going to do this thing. How do I know? Because if I were him, that's what I'd do."

Wang Jiexi's personality is elusive BUT he said in the novel that Yifan would do better in another environment and he ain't stopping the kid from doing whatever he wants. Team Tiny Herb is 2 time champion so they require their members to strive harder than Ye Xiu's team; therefore, in such a pressure environment, Yifan would not do his best. Yifan showed some promising skills as an assassin but his ghostblade is better. All parties: Ye Xiu, Yifan, and Jiexi understand this dilemma so they accept Yifan's decision. It is a matter of where you grow up and Yifan doesn't do well in high pressured teams. In fact, Yifan is not even bullied in the novel version. The captain really respects his playstyle as a Ghostplay, even reprimands other Tiny Herb members for dissing Yifan when they find out Yifan's new character.

All the tactics you said are in in the novel. The anime does a bad job at describing it but they do say some about the skills ( 4 shadow steps, aerial fire, curse trap, throwing weapons to lessen character's weight, etc) so you should not focus too much on the APM.

kyled00m said:

Gao Yingjie stood out as a bright star who could become the next Magician (inherit Wang Jiexi's character and title), so he is being trained to inherit it.

Yingjie is supposed to inherit Vaccaria (Jiexi's character) but not the Magician title. It is only rewarded to Wang Jiexi because it is his personal playstyle.

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Jun 6, 2017 8:55 PM

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le_halfhand_easy said:
Okay, I didn't really pay attention to watching this episode the first time because I was with someone. Now I rewatched it and I'm left dumbfounded.

Is this Magician guy lazy, complacent, or just incompetent? He's suppose to be helping these newbies in the training division yet he couldn't see for god knows how long what MC-kun noticed after just a few matches with Yifan? He's suppose to be helping the kid improve yet he couldn't be arsed enough to notice the playstyle doesn't suit the kid? Is our god MC-kun the only one with half a brain among these fast button mashers?

Say...why does captain Wang just HAS to notice the kid while there is an entire team for him to manage plus a much more promising player (Yingjie) to get trained also plus matches probably to play against the others? Could he just 'happen' to ignore this kid's talent simply because he's not bothered to invest time and effort on him? It's like asking why no one else in Log Horizon figured out how to make food tasty right before Nyanko Sensei did? (No offense, just don't quite get your logic)

Jun 7, 2017 12:34 AM

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pla-btoom said:

Wang Jiexi's personality is elusive BUT he said in the novel that Yifan would do better in another environment and he ain't stopping the kid from doing whatever he wants. Team Tiny Herb is 2 time champion so they require their members to strive harder than Ye Xiu's team; therefore, in such a pressure environment, Yifan would not do his best. Yifan showed some promising skills as an assassin but his ghostblade is better. All parties: Ye Xiu, Yifan, and Jiexi understand this dilemma so they accept Yifan's decision. It is a matter of where you grow up and Yifan doesn't do well in high pressured teams. In fact, Yifan is not even bullied in the novel version. The captain really respects his playstyle as a Ghostplay, even reprimands other Tiny Herb members for dissing Yifan when they find out Yifan's new character.

Not much of a teacher then, is he? Did I say I have a problem with how they treated the kid? No. The problem was how could someone supposed to guide them, heck paid to guide them, can't be arsed enough to do stuff like guiding them. That's like a prof giving up on someone who's making the effort to pass without offering consultations.

pla-btoom said:

All the tactics you said are in in the novel. The anime does a bad job at describing it but they do say some about the skills ( 4 shadow steps, aerial fire, curse trap, throwing weapons to lessen character's weight, etc) so you should not focus too much on the APM.

Look, Armlet-toggling and Manta-disjoints are cool and all, mechanical reflexes reliant as they are but kindly focus on my statement? It happens to seek something not, well, overly reliant on how much faster can you mush a button.

le_halfhand_easy said:

And don't get me started on the APM again. When you play the game at the highest level, the APM gap tends to narrow a lot. It becomes more about knowing all the options available to the enemy, predicting which one he'll choose, and then proactively stopping it instead of being reactive and defensive.

....

For once could someone say "He's going to do this thing. How do I know? Because if I were him, that's what I'd do."

chzcy said:

Say...why does captain Wang just HAS to notice the kid while there is an entire team for him to manage plus a much more promising player (Yingjie) to get trained also plus matches probably to play against the others? Could he just 'happen' to ignore this kid's talent simply because he's not bothered to invest time and effort on him? It's like asking why no one else in Log Horizon figured out how to make food tasty right before Nyanko Sensei did? (No offense, just don't quite get your logic)

Nyanta, in the Akihabara server, yes. And frankly, that's not as laughably idiotic as how incompetent Brigandia was during the first mini-arc battle or why Shiroe made the final raid in S2 with player levels less than Lvl90. Oh and because it happened to flow into the Burger arc, which I can't holler much about because it's brilliant how they manage to setup something so simple and minute a detail into one of the greatest turning point in the show.

As for the rest, look up.

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Jun 7, 2017 4:11 AM

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Not much of a teacher then, is he? Did I say I have a problem with how they treated the kid? No. The problem was how could someone supposed to guide them, heck paid to guide them, can't be arsed enough to do stuff like guiding them. That's like a prof giving up on someone who's making the effort to pass without offering consultations.

He did guide him in becoming an Assasin since Yifan has some team support talent and their previous Assasin player retired. Therefore, Yifan inherited it with the support of his captain. Why doesn't he help Yifan play Ghostblade? Because the captain is stuck with many problems if he switches to Ghostblade, mostly how it would have affected other more talented members' classes. So he will sacrifice three or four more players just to fit with Yifan, who is not really the prodigy
? Even Wang Jiexi has to sacrifice for the team. Look, no one is perfect. If the captain can resolve the dilemma, he would have been the Supreme God of Glory aka the OP MC.

Jun 7, 2017 6:44 AM

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Lemon said:

lollideath said:

Hahhaahahah maybe some Glory fans did it, I dunno.....Tencent is located in Shenzhen, Guangdong, is Blue Rain there? I know Excellent Era is in Hangzhou...

Yup. They're annoying canto speakers in G-city which is Guangzhou.

I shouldn't laugh about the Tencent fire but considering this comment chain it's kinda hilarious.

Cough cough I am Cantonese Hakka and I speak s bit of canto I like Blue Rain >< Huang Shaotian, Lu Hanyun and Blue River are adorable ><
Beijing dialect speakers are more annoying including Ye Xiu
But I will support Big Eye Wang and his tiny herb even though it's a BJ team
The green theme color of tiny herb reminds me of their soccer team Beijing Guoan....who we call "green hair turtle" LOL

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No. The problem was how could someone supposed to guide them, heck paid to guide them, can't be arsed enough to do stuff like guiding them. That's like a prof giving up on someone who's making the effort to pass without offering consultations.

I see. So first, it seems we can both accept that even in great shows such as Log Horizon there are just settings like 'things are just the way it is' so story can go on.

Now, let's get back to this kid: although the anime hasn't revealed how the coaching system works for 'Glory' yet, but it shouldn't be difficult to figure out that Glory is still quite young as a competitive game （10 years seems long for an e-sports but really isn't a 'history' compare to any kind of traditional sports）, there isn't any textbook that systematically covers how 'right things' should be done in all aspects, and even if the club 'did' hire coaches, they are very likely to be retired players who just train with their own experience as players.

Besides, we all once had bad teachers/coaches at school in real life, right? So why it surprises you that the coaches from the club (if they exist) aren't doing their job well?

I see you always have a problem with our MC being OP but consider this, MC is good enough to spot the kid's talent because he is a good and also VERY EXPERIENCED player (who witnessed the entire history of this game), so 'being excellent as a coach' is not just some random gift that suddenly added to this character in order to make a story.

I fully understand why you don't like stories with an OP MC, but as far as I can see, everything is still holding up logically.

Jun 7, 2017 7:03 PM

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lollideath said:

Lemon said:

Yup. They're annoying canto speakers in G-city which is Guangzhou.

I shouldn't laugh about the Tencent fire but considering this comment chain it's kinda hilarious.

Cough cough I am Cantonese Hakka and I speak s bit of canto I like Blue Rain >< Huang Shaotian, Lu Hanyun and Blue River are adorable ><
Beijing dialect speakers are more annoying including Ye Xiu
But I will support Big Eye Wang and his tiny herb even though it's a BJ team
The green theme color of tiny herb reminds me of their soccer team Beijing Guoan....who we call "green hair turtle" LOL

lololololol 龟安 I feel you re: Ye Xiu's arrogant BJ grumble. The show's actually pretty standard on the voices, I expected heavier regional accents actually since the fans seem pretty into that.

I'm a Mando and Wu speaker, so there's always Samsara since Excellent Era was a bust but I doubt my real N-city bros at 呼啸 will appear this season.

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lollideath said:

Cough cough I am Cantonese Hakka and I speak s bit of canto I like Blue Rain >< Huang Shaotian, Lu Hanyun and Blue River are adorable ><
Beijing dialect speakers are more annoying including Ye Xiu
But I will support Big Eye Wang and his tiny herb even though it's a BJ team
The green theme color of tiny herb reminds me of their soccer team Beijing Guoan....who we call "green hair turtle" LOL

lololololol 龟安 I feel you re: Ye Xiu's arrogant BJ grumble. The show's actually pretty standard on the voices, I expected heavier regional accents actually since the fans seem pretty into that.

I'm a Mando and Wu speaker, so there's always Samsara since Excellent Era was a bust but I doubt my real N-city bros at 呼啸 will appear this season.

Ahh Samsara is in Wu area? The novel said it's in City X and I was thinking of Xiamen. Didn't know 呼啸 is in City N either. Ningbo? 赵禹哲 is pretty cute
Is Butterfly Blue from Wu area? So many teams there....

I saw people complain about YE Xiu's accent although I can hardly tell he has an accent...he has been living in HZ for about 10 years, it would be weird if he still speaks super Beijing-y.

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Lemon said:

lololololol 龟安 I feel you re: Ye Xiu's arrogant BJ grumble. The show's actually pretty standard on the voices, I expected heavier regional accents actually since the fans seem pretty into that.

I'm a Mando and Wu speaker, so there's always Samsara since Excellent Era was a bust but I doubt my real N-city bros at 呼啸 will appear this season.

Ahh Samsara is in Wu area? The novel said it's in City X and I was thinking of Xiamen. Didn't know 呼啸 is in City N either. Ningbo? 赵禹哲 is pretty cute
Is Butterfly Blue from Wu area? So many teams there....

I saw people complain about YE Xiu's accent although I can hardly tell he has an accent...he has been living in HZ for about 10 years, it would be weird if he still speaks super Beijing-y.

Nah 虚空 is in X. Like 呼啸 I don't think they've got an English name yet.

Samsara is in S, which people seem to agree is Shanghai but that Hangzhou to Shanghai plane journey?????? who knows... As for 呼啸 I'm rooting for Ningbo but Nanjing is the most popular guess ):

赵禹哲 is okay... This guy's so much more fun though:

Butterfly Blue is from BJ but the Wu bias amongst the fans is so real:

Once a BJ人 always a BJ人. Ye Xiu's not like taxi-driver level bad but idk man the way he always sounds like he's sneering, that 霸气...

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Lemon said:

lollideath said:

Ahh Samsara is in Wu area? The novel said it's in City X and I was thinking of Xiamen. Didn't know 呼啸 is in City N either. Ningbo? 赵禹哲 is pretty cute
Is Butterfly Blue from Wu area? So many teams there....

I saw people complain about YE Xiu's accent although I can hardly tell he has an accent...he has been living in HZ for about 10 years, it would be weird if he still speaks super Beijing-y.

Nah 虚空 is in X. Like 呼啸 I don't think they've got an English name yet.

Samsara is in S, which people seem to agree is Shanghai but that Hangzhou to Shanghai plane journey?????? who knows... As for 呼啸 I root for Ningbo though Nanjing is the most popular guess ): 赵禹哲 is okay but this guy's so much more fun:

Butterfly Blue is from BJ but the Wu bias amongst the fans is so real:

Once a BJ人 always a BJ人. It's not taxi-driver level but idk man the way he always sounds like he's sneering, that 霸气...

LOL Tyranny is in Shangdong...I can totally see that. Hundred Blossoms in Yunnan and Misty Rain in 江南 too
No Sichuan, Dongbei teams or more Canton teams...so disappointing!

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I fully understand why you don't like stories with an OP MC, but as far as I can see, everything is still holding up logically.

Ah I have read the whole novel and I am just a bit uncomfortable with how much the MC and his team can get away with.
My feeling when reading the novel is like: Pick a fav who is not in his group -> watch it as they cry being destroyed, I cry -> pick another fav who is not in his group -> watch it as they cry being destroyed, I cry -> etc. I mean by the end of the novel, you will pretty much realize Ye Xiu is the only "evil" in this story. He comes here to fuck everyone up. (<- this is not spoiler, you guys know he is pretty shameless since episode 1). I don't deny he is an interesting character but he gets boring after 1700 chapters.

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pla-btoom said:

chzcy said:

I fully understand why you don't like stories with an OP MC, but as far as I can see, everything is still holding up logically.

Ah I have read the whole novel and I am just a bit uncomfortable with how much the MC and his team can get away with.
My feeling when reading the novel is like: Pick a fav who is not in his group -> watch it as they cry being destroyed, I cry -> pick another fav who is not in his group -> watch it as they cry being destroyed, I cry -> etc. I mean by the end of the novel, you will pretty much realize Ye Xiu is the only "evil" in this story. He comes here to fuck everyone up. (<- this is not spoiler, you guys know he is pretty shameless since episode 1). I don't deny he is an interesting character but he gets boring after 1700 chapters.

I am already feeling the same after 600+ chapters....I am still reading because I want to know more about the other teams, but knowing that they will eventually be fucked by the OP MC is annoying

Jun 8, 2017 7:00 PM

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