Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 19 Discussion

Dreamingflower said:
Quote button is not working. I laughed when Arca started trolling again.

Suzuya and Big Madam's meeting is one of the main things I've been anticipating. But seeing how many old characters return makes me happy too. Big Madam seemed to be very emotional when she saw Suzuya.

But I wanna see Naki Vs Akira rematch too!

KageNoAbisu said:
Another awesome chapter. Ha, Uta, now I'm even more glad he got stabbed. In your face, literally.

gabyta07 said:
You really think someone as strong as Uta couldn't evade to knives, when Ayato is being able to?

HIPSTERMOONCAT said:




Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Uta just stood there and took it, being the kind of person he is.

gabyta07 said:




yeah, that is what I suspect too, there is no way Suzuya could defeat Uta that easily

Arcanix said:

I can already see Akira almost getting her leg "eaten" by Naki and then a wild Amon appears. After Amon destroys Naki, they live happily ever after. Oh, maybe they adopt Sasaki too. Arima can be the father that lost his child and has to improve his behavior aka "spend more time with your son".

Oreo_Assassin said:

Honestly, i think the only one at the auction to be able to defeat Uta is "Kaneki"

Maledict said:
I would really like it if a certain black and white duo made an unexpected appearance at the auction. I'm really curious what the hell's going on with those two (or one).

I'm hoping Haise stops resorting to his ghoul side and uses his investigator prowess regularly, which is supposed to equal Arima some day. For now, the less we see of ''Kaneki'' the better.

gabyta07 said:
If you are talking about Kurona and SHiro....then you should know that Shiro is dead.

heliodor said:


Same.

gabyta07 said:
I do not hate Big Madam, I wouldn't like for her to die, specially now that I know that Madam A respects her, in fact I am hoping for any interaction between the two of them...but yeah, I do not hate her.
I don't even hate Uta, I mean he is a sadistic bastard, I do not have a doubt about it, but he is fun.
I find Kanae fun too, in a twisted Horie way :D

Mmmmm, the characters I dislike are Akira, Psycho (lol, I am so different from the rest of the TG fandom)...they can die for all I care.


Urie...mmm, I am indifferent.


Arima...sometimes I hate him, sometimes I like him. I suspect he is a manipulative bastard.


Tsukiyama...sometimes I love him, sometimes he annoys me. You know like a very attached boyfriend who won't stop calling you to say "I love you"...you do not know to break up with him, or feeling blessed

ftsyzc said:


you dont hate big madam but you do hate akira ? ... hmm, weird.

personally i hate urie. i want big madam to die. she is just a snack for suzuya's development on my eye. i dont even find her important enough to hate.

i definitely like kanae and arima.

but why do you hate akira? :( she is one of the female characters that i respect the most. even i like amon, i dont find her behavior to him annoying.

of course i have no right to ask this to you. you know, preferences are unquestionable. but... i also wonder.

And my hate for Akira, it is more personality that I dislike than nothing else.
I did not like the way that she act all haughty with Amon, when Amon was just trying to be friendly.
It annoys me that she blames ghouls for her parents' deaths. I mean she is suppose to be logical, if I go to I don't know X country, and start killing Xs, and they kill me...well duh... I was the one who decided to fight for the "cause" I knew the risks, and even went for it.
If her parents had been killed for just going to the supermarket, I would understand her.
Also I don't like how cold she is to Sasaki, I understand that Sasaki is very naive, but to me she sees him as a ghoul and that's that, I didn't like the cold way she approach him to calm him down.
I also don't like the glimpses of her that we have of her father, like very sadistic treats towards the ghouls, and then calling themselves the better race, when they are doing the same.
I know it's a survival race. But acting all superior its what bothers me, not her killing ghouls, she can kill as many as she likes and I wouldn't care, I mean she can even kill Naki...whatever, but stand among the corpses as feel superior or more intelligent, I find it thoroughly dislikable.
So yeah I think losing a leg would do wonders for her personality.

AquaWateria said:
I know most people hate the clowns but for me I have no hate towards them because they are the biggest if not very reason for making this series as enjoyable as it is. They are the very definition of entertaining and plus their motives and action are unpredictable.

frankykun13 said:


I agree with this .
I wonder why most people hate clowns so much . is it mostly because of this auction,Rize's case or anything else ?

frankykun13 said:
I wonder why most people hate clowns so much . is it mostly because of this auction,Rize's case or anything else ?

gabyta07 said:
also weirdly enough, some fans want Kaneki to be happy (without realizing that a happy Kaneki means the end of TG...here is no story without his suffering)

Putrescence said:

You do realize that this is just your opinion, right? I, for one, don't share it.

And I know some people have trouble empathizing with characters, but not seeing why Pierot might be hated is just absurd.

Putrescence said:
I'm not really upset about your post, it just seemed weird. In the sense that although some fans want Kaneki to be happy, it is the universal truth that without his suffering, there is no story. Which, in my opinion, is not true.

Edit: Just to clarify - I also believe that Kaneki needs to suffer if he wants to purify himself. But I don't think there is nothing else besides his suffering.

Putrescence said:
Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree. :>

I don't share your sentiments about suffering. In my opinion, happiness can be found in suffering, it is just as interesting, and also just as important to a character's story.

Putrescence said:
I meant what I said. "Pain and pleasure, undivisible", and so on. Even if your existence is dominated by pain and suffering, you can still find happiness to revel in.

And yes, I do believe TG can still have an amazing story, even if Sasaneki is predominantly happy. Because first of all, happiness is not something that you just obtain and that's it, you have it forever. No, it's something you have to keep working on, and something that potentially could be shared with others. Second, in the case of TG, the happiness route could be something about paving the way for human-ghoul relationships, Sasaneki helping some or all of his numerous friends, changing the CCG, more in-depth world-building (moving outside of Japan for one), etc. There are massive amounts of storylines and themes to explore.

The clowns don't just want to get rid of Sasaneki's current superficial happiness. They want to torment him, reduce him to his suffering self from the prequel. The fact that this might help him somehow in the long run is not what motivates them, but rather a side effect.

Kaneki is by far not the most messed up person in the manga. Kanou, Pierrot, some of Aogiri, and some of CCG, are all worse.

Sasaneki is definitely being built up as some sort of messiah, but we have to wait and see how everything unfolds.

gabyta07 said:

ftsyzc said:

akira is a human too, you know? she can be emotional where she has to be logical. so, she can blame ghouls all to the end. what do you want? if she doesnt blame them, that would be more nonsense for me. you know yomo blames arima for killing his sister. so what you mean is, "she is already a ghoul... of course she is gonna die... why does yomo blame investigators?" right?? sorry but thats kinda taking sides.
and she didnt treat amon haughty. she treated like herself. even she tried to kiss him, how can you think she acted haughty? at first, yes, she was cold to him. but even touka was cold and angry with kaneki. so, whats the difference? she was blaming amon for death of her dad. but that was not in real, she was just comforting herself. she quickly gave up her thoughts, you know. we call it being emotional and cannot thinking logical. it happens sometimes to you, too, right??
i found her behavior to sasaki is sincere and good enough. you took sides, for that reason you seek bad meanings under obvious things. she is quite good to sasaki. how cant you see? she doesnt treat him as a ghoul. or i missed somethings. (even she doesnt like sasaki, i can understand her, though. )

and her father was quite good to his friends. he was not sadistic, he just took his love for her wife and changed it into hate for ghouls. thats it. being an investigator doesnt mean you cant have hatred towards ghouls when other investigators died. vice versa, you must have hatred at every single death and use it for killing them.

gabyta07 said:



Nope my argument is more like
If you are a soldier or your son is a soldier of course there is a big possibility of him dying, blaming the opposite field is to dumb to me, your son or whatever knew the risks and took them.
I'm not saying oh your son is musulman of course you are going to die...that is discrimination.
So of course Yomo will blame Arima, his sister was just a ghoul, just like a kid on the street was just black/gay/musulman or whatever, she didn't sign for it, but the CCG invesgators don't care if the ghoul kill or not, they kill any ghoul without discriminating...so if Yomo's sister did kill, then I would accept it, Yomo shouldn't complain, but if his sister was just like Arata, then of course Yomo is going to complain.

At the beginning, she didn't respect him as a superior, she acted haughty with him, after the drunk night, she started to have a crush on him.

I don't find it sincere since she doesnt have a problem shooting him. Am I taking sides? I don't know bc I do hate some ghouls as well as I like some CCG members (Being Suzuya and Shinohara two of my favs) and visceversa...so yeah in a way Im taking sides, I take side for those I like, its normal isn't it...but if you mean taking sides for the ghoul and CCG, as I think you did, then no...I'm not taking sides.

His father was obsess with making quinques, plus the things you already mentioned, he had no friends he had colleagues, bc he was obsessed.

Anyhow, that's just my personal thoughts on the matter, you don't have to agree. :D
Just trying to show you where I am coming from
Also another note, I tend more easily to hate female characters than males, I'm more forgiving on males, maybe its bc Im a hetero girl or don't know but yeah :D

ftsyzc said:


how can investigators know that ghoul is innocent, that ghoul is killer? right now, there is no way of it. there is no communication between them. the person who is gonna do this, our main character, kaneki, you know. humans think ghouls are killers. they have no hearts etc etc. they doesnt know each other. are we okay with this?

if yes, lets talk about other issues. humans think they are all right which i can truly understand. because there are creatures who hunt them one by one on the outside. so, akira is actually complaining the presence of ghouls. she thinks "if ghouls dont exist, my family wouldnt die." for that reason, she is blaming them. i can definitely understand her. its not about being an investigator. its about being human.

she first thought amon is guilty for death of her father. so, she didnt respect amon. but she quickly gave up from her thoughts. that was mistake of her, but everybody can make mistakes. after being drunk? excuse me but there is more of it. you cant underestimate like this. when somebody is drunk, he doesnt remember the things he made while he is drunk lol

gaby, you are so wrong. she had to shoot him. where did you know what she felt? omg this is too much of prejudice. she is just pokerface and coldblooded, you know. she didnt even cry and didnt want people to understand his sadness at first when she heard the death of amon. then she said while crying "give me a break, dont you?"..

why did he obsessed, i wonder. i dont want to repeat myself. everybody has own reasons. and mado's reason is quite obvious to me.

i understand you, but my akira-lover side doesnt want to hush lol whatever, this was great to talk. at least i could talk about akira bc i cant find people to talk about akira like this in my normal life lol

AllenVonStein said:
Enough with mask.I don't recognize any character