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| People are actually still arguing whether that was rape or not? Isn't the answer pretty clear? Try putting yourself in Saki's shoes. Your crush suddenly went out of his mind and suffered for hours on end. Then in his out of control state he sexually assaulted you, pinning you on the ground with no say on whether to accept or decline. He proceeded to rape you with those creepy and deadpan red eyes. You don't even feel like you're making love with your crush moreso with a wild beast. At the same time you accept it as a curse and decided to bear the burden. How is that, in any way, consensual sex? I feel damn sick of those comments. |
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FiveOVER said: People are actually still arguing whether that was rape or not? Isn't the answer pretty clear? Try putting yourself in Saki's shoes. Your crush suddenly went out of his mind and suffered for hours on end. Then in his out of control state he sexually assaulted you, pinning you on the ground with no say on whether to accept or decline. He proceeded to rape you with those creepy and deadpan red eyes. You don't even feel like you're making love with your crush moreso with a wild beast. At the same time you accept it as a curse and decided to bear the burden. How is that, in any way, consensual sex? I feel damn sick of those comments. The situation was pretty much rape. MAL is just full of horrible people with horrible opinions and twisted outlooks on things. It's like it's an extension of 4chan or something. People preach about the show having to handle things well from this point on in how they portray the aftermath, but so far it seems to be doing a hell of a lot better than the fanbase. So I really don't think the fanbase is one to judge at this point in time, instead it should be looking at itself and it's own reactions this week, which it won't of course because people are selfish assholes. You almost have to wonder if that's what the show meant by revealing the truth of the world. Obviously it's not, but it's sort of a cathartic perspective to look at it this all from. |
PeacingOutJun 15, 2013 10:23 AM
| Holy christ, so much nonsense and crap in this thread. No real people were harmed in the creation of this rape. Just watch the show and rate it as you will. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: And just too add to my post above, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that profess to be mad aren't mad because Saki was violated but because it messes up their potential shipper pairings. Sigh.... Dekomori_Desu said: This show has really gone down the drain with me. I thought it was gonna be a promise Mecha anime and it turn into a non-sense story/Hentai anime. I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. I think that's another gross oversimplification and pigeonholing of the show but too each their own. roorensu-kun said: And I thought the vampire in Unit 01 was hungry and needed blood but instead Haruto raped someone rather than suck their blood ;_; They say a good show is when you won't see whats coming next... but on this one you won't see anything coming because its full of randomness, the story is like a puzzle which is consist of various events (some maybe from existing shows) and they just connect them together in 5 minutes then went on and animated it. There is just no steady flow with the events happening per episode, it feels like they just put any idea they wanted to put. I like the mecha fight scene's at least and the Valvrave Concept Design. Okay I am going to try to explain this one last time and then I am really done for real. The show indeed uses non-linear storytelling and multi-layered plot threading, with some events that are interconnected, some that are happening side by side, and some that have happened in the past or future. This is used to set up a story which is written to be suspenseful and thus not all the answers and connections are made obvious right away. This is not a sign of outright bad storytelling, people just aren't used to it because anime very rarely makes use of it anymore in today's age of light novel adaptations with their simplistic writing styles and outright predictable story patterns. They aren't just making shit up as they go, they are revealing the mysteries of the show like the director said they would at the start of the season. He also stated that that is part of the reason why the show has two seasons because it needs the time to reveal all of it's mysteries and show how everything is connected. I repeat this is not simply bad storytelling, it is merely an unusual style for anime that has only recently become more prevalent. Other shows made use of it during the fall season such as Zetsuen no Tempest, Shin Sekai Yori, K, Robotic;Notes, Btoom and Psycho-Pass. Past hit shows that have made use of it include The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Steins;Gate and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Part of the point is in seeing how everything fits together over the course of the series as Valvrave is indeed part mystery series at the same time it is a suspense-thriller. The only difference I can see with this show compared to the ones I have mentioned in how the story is being told and revealed to us layer by layer, connection by connection ,and how it is received by the audience is the lense people have chosen to view it through. It's pretty much that people have just chosen to find fault with this show by any means necessary that they can't see the blindingly obvious about it and how the pieces are starting to connect together. I still think it's because it contains super robot style mecha and is the only one of them that is set in space. For me its not just finding a fault on the show then go wham about it, really there is just something off with this show. If you talk about new way of story telling I guess the best examples are Durarara and Baccano <S1 and S2 (if you watched it you will know what i mean), i tried to watch those from the past at first i hated it since it had random events and ended only watching 2-3 episodes. After rewatching it again it turned out to be really good as those 'pieces' was slowly connected and finally made sense at the end. Maybe thats what they are trying to do with KValvrave , so lets say they are following the same route as Durarara and Baccano in terms of how the story is being presented, but at this point KV is at a PNR (Point of No Return) meaning even if they do connect the dots at the end, the existing episodes will stay as what they are now. I think its either the story is just really bad with bad story stelling or its just a bad adaptation (I was thinking maybe its just a filler show to replace the original show that was to be aired this season and on Summer Season hence the rushed and not good adaptation of the show). But again I like the mecha scenes, the CG are pretty good and the the Valvrave concept designs too. |
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Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT |
roorensu-kun said: Kaioshin_Sama said: And just too add to my post above, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that profess to be mad aren't mad because Saki was violated but because it messes up their potential shipper pairings. Sigh.... Dekomori_Desu said: This show has really gone down the drain with me. I thought it was gonna be a promise Mecha anime and it turn into a non-sense story/Hentai anime. I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. I think that's another gross oversimplification and pigeonholing of the show but too each their own. roorensu-kun said: And I thought the vampire in Unit 01 was hungry and needed blood but instead Haruto raped someone rather than suck their blood ;_; They say a good show is when you won't see whats coming next... but on this one you won't see anything coming because its full of randomness, the story is like a puzzle which is consist of various events (some maybe from existing shows) and they just connect them together in 5 minutes then went on and animated it. There is just no steady flow with the events happening per episode, it feels like they just put any idea they wanted to put. I like the mecha fight scene's at least and the Valvrave Concept Design. Okay I am going to try to explain this one last time and then I am really done for real. The show indeed uses non-linear storytelling and multi-layered plot threading, with some events that are interconnected, some that are happening side by side, and some that have happened in the past or future. This is used to set up a story which is written to be suspenseful and thus not all the answers and connections are made obvious right away. This is not a sign of outright bad storytelling, people just aren't used to it because anime very rarely makes use of it anymore in today's age of light novel adaptations with their simplistic writing styles and outright predictable story patterns. They aren't just making shit up as they go, they are revealing the mysteries of the show like the director said they would at the start of the season. He also stated that that is part of the reason why the show has two seasons because it needs the time to reveal all of it's mysteries and show how everything is connected. I repeat this is not simply bad storytelling, it is merely an unusual style for anime that has only recently become more prevalent. Other shows made use of it during the fall season such as Zetsuen no Tempest, Shin Sekai Yori, K, Robotic;Notes, Btoom and Psycho-Pass. Past hit shows that have made use of it include The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Steins;Gate and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Part of the point is in seeing how everything fits together over the course of the series as Valvrave is indeed part mystery series at the same time it is a suspense-thriller. The only difference I can see with this show compared to the ones I have mentioned in how the story is being told and revealed to us layer by layer, connection by connection ,and how it is received by the audience is the lense people have chosen to view it through. It's pretty much that people have just chosen to find fault with this show by any means necessary that they can't see the blindingly obvious about it and how the pieces are starting to connect together. I still think it's because it contains super robot style mecha and is the only one of them that is set in space. For me its not just finding a fault on the show then go wham about it, really there is just something off with this show. If you talk about new way of story telling I guess the best examples are Durarara and Baccano <S1 and S2 (if you watched it you will know what i mean), i tried to watch those from the past at first i hated it since it had random events and ended only watching 2-3 episodes. After rewatching it again it turned out to be really good as those 'pieces' was slowly connected and finally made sense at the end. Maybe thats what they are trying to do with KValvrave , so lets say they are following the same route as Durarara and Baccano in terms of how the story is being presented, but at this point KV is at a PNR (Point of No Return) meaning even if they do connect the dots at the end, the existing episodes will stay as what they are now. I think its either the story is just really bad with bad story stelling or its just a bad adaptation (I was thinking maybe its just a filler show to replace the original show that was to be aired this season and on Summer Season hence the rushed and not good adaptation of the show). But again I like the mecha scenes, the CG are pretty good and the the Valvrave concept designs too. Do some research, this is an original show and it has another season coming up in the fall. This isn't past any sort of point of no return, it's not even halfway done yet. Seriously people learn to know what you are talking about, don't just say things. razisgosu said: Holy christ, so much nonsense and crap in this thread. No real people were harmed in the creation of this rape. Just watch the show and rate it as you will. Basically my POV as well though I usually use the phrase, "Just enjoy the show or don't, but stop complaining already unless you have a point to add to the conversation". However as I've tried to illustrate this show probably because of the studio involved (because their shows seem to get this sort of treatment a lot) has been chosen to receive a very rough reception from the fanbase and far more scrutiny than is the norm. It's not like this just started happening, it's been this way since episode one with upswings and downswings as the story has gone along. Some people just refuse to accept whatever this story presents them and reject all elements of the story as pure nonsense that has no right to be taken seriously by anyone and so far their only justification is that they believe it cannot possibly amount to anything other than a trainwreck, which again was something people decided upon very early into the shows run. Personally I think right now some people are mad because they sense the story really has been going places for a while now and that they won't be able to work their angle much longer without it being seen for the bullshit it is, especially since the season is closing out. Add what happened in this episode as fuel to the fire and you get this awful awful thread that is only made bearable by the few sane people in it like symbv and Dragon Slayer X with their glorious glorious informed opinions and proper sentence structure. |
PeacingOutJun 15, 2013 10:40 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: FiveOVER said: People are actually still arguing whether that was rape or not? Isn't the answer pretty clear? Try putting yourself in Saki's shoes. Your crush suddenly went out of his mind and suffered for hours on end. Then in his out of control state he sexually assaulted you, pinning you on the ground with no say on whether to accept or decline. He proceeded to rape you with those creepy and deadpan red eyes. You don't even feel like you're making love with your crush moreso with a wild beast. At the same time you accept it as a curse and decided to bear the burden. How is that, in any way, consensual sex? I feel damn sick of those comments. The situation was pretty much rape. MAL is just full of horrible people with horrible opinions and twisted outlooks on things. It's like it's an extension of 4chan or something. People preach about the show having to handle things well from this point on in how they portray the aftermath, but so far it seems to be doing a hell of a lot better than the fanbase. So I really don't think the fanbase is one to judge at this point in time, instead it should be looking at itself and it's own reactions this week, which it won't of course because people are selfish assholes. You almost have to wonder if that's what the show meant by revealing the truth of the world. Obviously it's not, but it's sort of a cathartic perspective to look at it this all from. I don't really hate MAL since there are a lot of sensible people too that are really likable, but I do feel that most of MAL users have the tendency to criticise the show they dislike while only focusing on the things they hate in a show. What about the things that they like that make them stay with the series? The fact that they also tend to repeat those same points every week is also annoying. I think this is largely attributed to the fact that MAL has the rating system that encourages them to think their favorite anime should be superior to other series and that it should be rated higher. Thus, they think that it actually helps to bash other anime that they dislike so that the anime they like would seem to be the superior one. However, this is all based on my viewpoint and it may likely just end up being nonsense. Ignore them if that's the case. |
| Good episode, though I'm kinda confused with the ending. |
VGGuy95 said: Good episode, though I'm kinda confused with the ending. Rape. - clothes torn - Haruto's horrified reaction - Saki looking weak |
FiveOVERJun 15, 2013 10:55 AM
VGGuy95 said: Good episode, though I'm kinda confused with the ending. rhythmic forward-backward motion is not required for blood-sucking... |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: roorensu-kun said: Kaioshin_Sama said: And just too add to my post above, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that profess to be mad aren't mad because Saki was violated but because it messes up their potential shipper pairings. Sigh.... Dekomori_Desu said: This show has really gone down the drain with me. I thought it was gonna be a promise Mecha anime and it turn into a non-sense story/Hentai anime. I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. I think that's another gross oversimplification and pigeonholing of the show but too each their own. roorensu-kun said: And I thought the vampire in Unit 01 was hungry and needed blood but instead Haruto raped someone rather than suck their blood ;_; They say a good show is when you won't see whats coming next... but on this one you won't see anything coming because its full of randomness, the story is like a puzzle which is consist of various events (some maybe from existing shows) and they just connect them together in 5 minutes then went on and animated it. There is just no steady flow with the events happening per episode, it feels like they just put any idea they wanted to put. I like the mecha fight scene's at least and the Valvrave Concept Design. Okay I am going to try to explain this one last time and then I am really done for real. The show indeed uses non-linear storytelling and multi-layered plot threading, with some events that are interconnected, some that are happening side by side, and some that have happened in the past or future. This is used to set up a story which is written to be suspenseful and thus not all the answers and connections are made obvious right away. This is not a sign of outright bad storytelling, people just aren't used to it because anime very rarely makes use of it anymore in today's age of light novel adaptations with their simplistic writing styles and outright predictable story patterns. They aren't just making shit up as they go, they are revealing the mysteries of the show like the director said they would at the start of the season. He also stated that that is part of the reason why the show has two seasons because it needs the time to reveal all of it's mysteries and show how everything is connected. I repeat this is not simply bad storytelling, it is merely an unusual style for anime that has only recently become more prevalent. Other shows made use of it during the fall season such as Zetsuen no Tempest, Shin Sekai Yori, K, Robotic;Notes, Btoom and Psycho-Pass. Past hit shows that have made use of it include The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Steins;Gate and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Part of the point is in seeing how everything fits together over the course of the series as Valvrave is indeed part mystery series at the same time it is a suspense-thriller. The only difference I can see with this show compared to the ones I have mentioned in how the story is being told and revealed to us layer by layer, connection by connection ,and how it is received by the audience is the lense people have chosen to view it through. It's pretty much that people have just chosen to find fault with this show by any means necessary that they can't see the blindingly obvious about it and how the pieces are starting to connect together. I still think it's because it contains super robot style mecha and is the only one of them that is set in space. For me its not just finding a fault on the show then go wham about it, really there is just something off with this show. If you talk about new way of story telling I guess the best examples are Durarara and Baccano <S1 and S2 (if you watched it you will know what i mean), i tried to watch those from the past at first i hated it since it had random events and ended only watching 2-3 episodes. After rewatching it again it turned out to be really good as those 'pieces' was slowly connected and finally made sense at the end. Maybe thats what they are trying to do with KValvrave , so lets say they are following the same route as Durarara and Baccano in terms of how the story is being presented, but at this point KV is at a PNR (Point of No Return) meaning even if they do connect the dots at the end, the existing episodes will stay as what they are now. I think its either the story is just really bad with bad story stelling or its just a bad adaptation (I was thinking maybe its just a filler show to replace the original show that was to be aired this season and on Summer Season hence the rushed and not good adaptation of the show). But again I like the mecha scenes, the CG are pretty good and the the Valvrave concept designs too. Do some research, this is an original show and it has another season coming up in the fall. This isn't past any sort of point of no return, it's not even halfway done yet. Seriously people learn to know what you are talking about, don't just say things. No need to go hostile, and i know it has a 2nd season. Just when i thought i get someone to explain stuff too, it turned out to be another shallow one. or is it because you haven't watched Durarara and Baccano. Original Show wise though (you stepped a huge land mine by saying that), if you have watched other existing Mecha shows there are like 9 or so that ive watched that i can compare it too. But even if i just use two of them, Gundam 00 and Gundam Seed.. if not all most of the stuff in KV looks like a copy from Gundam 00 and Gundam Seed (it can't be helped its Sunrise!). But you won't know until you watch the shows i mentioned. look at the current statistics unless if it goes near 8.00 its still at a PNR and id say i doubt S2 will be any better. Well you haven't watched Durarara and Baccano so you won't know what i meant about the new type of story telling that you where talking about. While as someone said somewhere on the realm of anime reviewers, it might just be a 101% Parody show. the Manga = created in 2013 Animated = 2013, Usually adaptations will be bad = if you adapt a newly rushed manga into an anime i think it'll be much worst. 'You pretend to explain but when your cornered you bite back.' Oh so Skin deep. But i guess ill take my leave and just go to the next episode thread, i don't wanna create a scene for the Die Hard KV fans. |
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roorensu-kun said: Kaioshin_Sama said: roorensu-kun said: Kaioshin_Sama said: And just too add to my post above, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that profess to be mad aren't mad because Saki was violated but because it messes up their potential shipper pairings. Sigh.... Dekomori_Desu said: This show has really gone down the drain with me. I thought it was gonna be a promise Mecha anime and it turn into a non-sense story/Hentai anime. I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. I think that's another gross oversimplification and pigeonholing of the show but too each their own. roorensu-kun said: And I thought the vampire in Unit 01 was hungry and needed blood but instead Haruto raped someone rather than suck their blood ;_; They say a good show is when you won't see whats coming next... but on this one you won't see anything coming because its full of randomness, the story is like a puzzle which is consist of various events (some maybe from existing shows) and they just connect them together in 5 minutes then went on and animated it. There is just no steady flow with the events happening per episode, it feels like they just put any idea they wanted to put. I like the mecha fight scene's at least and the Valvrave Concept Design. Okay I am going to try to explain this one last time and then I am really done for real. The show indeed uses non-linear storytelling and multi-layered plot threading, with some events that are interconnected, some that are happening side by side, and some that have happened in the past or future. This is used to set up a story which is written to be suspenseful and thus not all the answers and connections are made obvious right away. This is not a sign of outright bad storytelling, people just aren't used to it because anime very rarely makes use of it anymore in today's age of light novel adaptations with their simplistic writing styles and outright predictable story patterns. They aren't just making shit up as they go, they are revealing the mysteries of the show like the director said they would at the start of the season. He also stated that that is part of the reason why the show has two seasons because it needs the time to reveal all of it's mysteries and show how everything is connected. I repeat this is not simply bad storytelling, it is merely an unusual style for anime that has only recently become more prevalent. Other shows made use of it during the fall season such as Zetsuen no Tempest, Shin Sekai Yori, K, Robotic;Notes, Btoom and Psycho-Pass. Past hit shows that have made use of it include The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Steins;Gate and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Part of the point is in seeing how everything fits together over the course of the series as Valvrave is indeed part mystery series at the same time it is a suspense-thriller. The only difference I can see with this show compared to the ones I have mentioned in how the story is being told and revealed to us layer by layer, connection by connection ,and how it is received by the audience is the lense people have chosen to view it through. It's pretty much that people have just chosen to find fault with this show by any means necessary that they can't see the blindingly obvious about it and how the pieces are starting to connect together. I still think it's because it contains super robot style mecha and is the only one of them that is set in space. For me its not just finding a fault on the show then go wham about it, really there is just something off with this show. If you talk about new way of story telling I guess the best examples are Durarara and Baccano <S1 and S2 (if you watched it you will know what i mean), i tried to watch those from the past at first i hated it since it had random events and ended only watching 2-3 episodes. After rewatching it again it turned out to be really good as those 'pieces' was slowly connected and finally made sense at the end. Maybe thats what they are trying to do with KValvrave , so lets say they are following the same route as Durarara and Baccano in terms of how the story is being presented, but at this point KV is at a PNR (Point of No Return) meaning even if they do connect the dots at the end, the existing episodes will stay as what they are now. I think its either the story is just really bad with bad story stelling or its just a bad adaptation (I was thinking maybe its just a filler show to replace the original show that was to be aired this season and on Summer Season hence the rushed and not good adaptation of the show). But again I like the mecha scenes, the CG are pretty good and the the Valvrave concept designs too. Do some research, this is an original show and it has another season coming up in the fall. This isn't past any sort of point of no return, it's not even halfway done yet. Seriously people learn to know what you are talking about, don't just say things. No need to go hostile, and i know it has a 2nd season. Just when i thought i get someone to explain stuff too, it turned out to be another shallow one. or is it because you haven't watched Durarara and Baccano. Original Show wise though (you stepped a huge land mine by saying that), if you have watched other existing Mecha shows there are like 9 or so that ive watched that i can compare it too. But even if i just use two of them, Gundam 00 and Gundam Seed.. if not all most of the stuff in KV looks like a copy from Gundam 00 and Gundam Seed (it can't be helped its Sunrise!). But you won't know until you watch the shows i mentioned. look at the current statistics unless if it goes near 8.00 its still at a PNR and id say i doubt S2 will be any better. Well you haven't watched Durarara and Baccano so you won't know what i meant about the new type of story telling that you where talking about. While as someone said somewhere on the realm of anime reviewers, it might just be a 101% Parody show. the Manga = created in 2013 Animated = 2013, Usually adaptations will be bad = if you adapt a newly rushed manga into an anime i think it'll be much worst. 'You pretend to explain but when your cornered you bite back.' Oh so Skin deep. But i guess ill take my leave and just go to the next episode thread, i don't wanna create a scene for the Die Hard KV fans. Good because I have no idea what the hell you are talking about or trying to get at now. Also if I gave even anything remotely approaching a damn about MAL ratings/rankings which are largely decided by the trivial things I've mentioned already that fans seem to care way to much about these days, (Studio name, popular/unpopular staff names, Hype, Number of people that had their shipping pair fulfilled versus those that didn't) and what they represent to people in theory rather than what they actually accomplished as a piece of work I'd have let you know. Also I'm not even a diehard Valvrave fan I should point out. It's not even my favorite show airing right now. I'm mostly just tired of the stupid fanboy bullshit and ignorance surrounding the shows reception that seems to follow Sunrise productions in general wherever they go. As kind of a long time fan of Sunrise I'm sort of sick of the shitty forced negative reception all their shows seem to get. When people make good points about their shows positive or negative I tend to largely agree with them (example of a negative I've accepted is the silliness of episode 5 and give or take a few scenes not relating to the Module 77 storyline it being largely a throwaway episode), when people make stupid ignorant posts and treat things totally differently just because they are involved and because they are expected to view things through the "it's so bad it's good" goggles it kind of irks me. People want to talk about things being forced or contrived, well that particular viewpoint to me is forced and contrived. |
PeacingOutJun 15, 2013 11:32 AM
Brigandi said: Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. |
Dekomori_Desu said: Brigandi said: Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. Yes because that: 1. makes storyline UNPREDICTABLE. 2. Allows characters to make mistakes. 3. Makes it satisfying when the said lead actually does something great. Watching someone you know will ALWAYS succeed is boring. |
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| WHAT?! Like actually, what?! |
| Oh my wasn't that quite the twist. I honestly feel really bad for Shouko. |
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| Did he do it because she's a female vampire magius (whatever they're called, I dunno -_-')? I mean will he still go round trying to bite people for food and that was just a reproduction reaction or something? Or did that sate his hunger? Feel bad for Haruto, Saki and Shouko. L-elf just looked bored during the elections lol. I liked the part with Haruto and Shouko - how determined Haruto got when he was speaking with her. It was a really nice moment between them, but things just got kinda complicated... |:¬/| |
| So....effecitively that was yuri rape. Since it was the AI doing so right? I mean unless you think the body is all that matters I guess? This has become a confusing thing to talk about ._. That AI is very devious o_o |
| I know this is off topic but why do people keep calling Haruto and everyone else who pilot a magius ? I keep seeing that a lot on this thread and another website. Is it from the official website? |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Why? Justify this statement and elaborate, it's really not that fucking hard and it could lead to actual discussion. Somebody say something of value if you want to be taken seriously. Is everyone too afraid of an actual discussion and having their absolutist statements held to some kind of standard? Is this board literally all full of manchilds or something? Cause opinions. Also, who the **** are you to be hostile towards ANYONE? Wasn't looking to discuss my view on the plotline, the super soldier high school plotline is stupid, easy as that. Tryhards getting butthurt over two-three sentences, calm yo tits. |
| The chip in my mind, it summons me. I gave my life to your machines. |
TheLocalHentai said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Why? Justify this statement and elaborate, it's really not that fucking hard and it could lead to actual discussion. Somebody say something of value if you want to be taken seriously. Is everyone too afraid of an actual discussion and having their absolutist statements held to some kind of standard? Is this board literally all full of manchilds or something? Cause opinions. Also, who the **** are you to be hostile towards ANYONE? Wasn't looking to discuss my view on the plotline, the super soldier high school plotline is stupid, easy as that. Tryhards getting butthurt over two-three sentences, calm yo tits. There is such a thing as an uninformed and poorly conceived opinion. This idea people have that because it's an opinion that means there's no room for argument or discussion is something that is pretty unique to the internet and not in fact how the real world works. kaykenner54 said: I know this is off topic but why do people keep calling Haruto and everyone else who pilot a magius ? I keep seeing that a lot on this thread and another website. Is it from the official website? It was stated in one of the press releases as well as on one of the main websites that the type of being that the Valvrave pilots are are referred to as Magius. Why it has yet to come up in the anime though is anyone guess, but I expect it to be a plot point in the remaining episodes, possibly exposed by Cain or the fake professor. |
PeacingOutJun 15, 2013 3:51 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: There is such a thing as an uninformed and poorly conceived opinion. This idea people have that because it's an opinion that means there's no room for argument or discussion is something that is pretty unique to the internet and not in fact how the real world works. Not when it comes to Super soldier high school kids plot. Or are YOU going to give me reasons why it's so great? Come on, list it out. How is a small colony high school such a great place to hide super robots and rearing psychologically inept kids into super vampires such a good idea? Tell me and then we can discuss this, but I bet you won't. The real world doesn't care about my opinions or yours on any subject. I'm being "real world" right now (or was) and not giving a single **** and minding my own business (Didn't argue against people crying about rape when the other chick got blasted to hell did I?). Your worldview is skewed, sorry to break it to you. |
| The chip in my mind, it summons me. I gave my life to your machines. |
| I don't know Japanese law, but from my American perspective what occurred at the end of this episode would legally be qualified as rape. Specifically, both Haruto and Saki were raped by proxy; it's essentially the equivalent of a person holding a gun to another person's head and saying "Rape this third person." Battering down someone's defenses is not a valid way of obtaining consent. Nor was Saki's statement before the act a statement of consent; she consented to have him possess her, not have sex with her. Physical disadvantage and emotional distress caused her to be unable to resist him, as she attempted to do before he ripped her clothes off and penetrated her, and as she realized this (and started to cry), she gave up on resisting. THAT IS NOT CONSENT. It's almost a textbook definition of duress, holy crap. For example, I wouldn't like to be kicked in the balls, but I'll take it if it means not getting killed. Allowing someone to kick me in the balls rather than kill me doesn't mean that I want them to kick me, it means I want to avoid it less than I want to avoid my own death. Or, from a mathematical perspective, -10 is a lower number than -7, but both are still negative. Why didn't she keep resisting? Because she was afraid for her life. Her words "I see, this is a curse" was a reversal on her earlier stance that they were given a gift. If she wanted to have sex (which, by the way, is not the logical conclusion simply based on the fact that she was crushing on him; one can have a crush without wanting to have sex immediately) then she would not have changed her mind about them being holy, immortal spirits. Haruto's actions showed her that they're really just monsters now. On Haruto's side, obviously the machine was controlling him. He was also unable to give consent for what his body was forcing him to do, so he was also a victim. The worst fault someone could assign to his actions is negligence--or perhaps recklessness--because he knowingly gave up his humanity. But it isn't his fault either. And I say "either" because it's not Saki's fault for becoming a vampire too: that blonde chick wasn't a vampire so it's not as if Saki was targeted for that reason or something. Turquoise deer version - legally, both of them were raped (at least according to the American legal system) and it's not really ambiguous at all. The only question that arises is that of the mens rea, because arguing that a machine can have an intent to rape someone is difficult even without getting into the specifics of how mens rea plays into the context of rape in the first place. In any case this post is too long as it is. |
| The only 'non-linear' part about this plot was the 1 minute short break from the actual show that was just kind of thrust in there that I originally thought was some sort of commercial/movie shoot that Saki was doing because of how badly it was implemented. The plot is quite linear. We're not skipping back and forth between time periods. We did that ONCE and that is it. |
| I am amused (and slightly horrified) by all the comments stating that Saki embraced Haruto so there for it was consensual. Um, no. Sure, she may have offered her body up for him to hijack but she did not want have sex with him. Sure, she has a crush on him but she didn't want to be raped by him. She wanted his heart, not to be forcibly tackled, held down, have her clothes ripped off and violently penetrated. Before the rape she realized his heart belonged to Shoko (thus her comment about him not being able to be with a normal human) and she was fully aware of the bitter irony during the rape. Let's look at the other side of the coin, so to speak. Haruto is a sweet guy. He would have never forced himself on Saki if he were in his right mind. He is still very much in love with Shoko and he's made it clear he considers Saki to be just a friend. He would do anything to help a friend, so hurting her is the last thing on his mind. He was already worried about being controlled by the Valvrave. He lost control of himself and did something he would never dreamed of doing to one of his good friends. Saki may have tried to make the best of it but the act itself was pretty damned violent. He didn't gently remove her clothes, ease her down and caress her. Haruto violently tore off her and his own clothing and went to work until VVV I OS' extreme lust was satisfied. I think anyone would be psychologically traumatized if they blacked out and woke up to find they'd forced themselves one of their friends against their will. He was just as much a victim as Saki, as he was forcibly controlled. Even if Saki forgives him for the act he's going to have a hard time forgiving himself. The element of fear is going to be quite strong. Saki may still like him but their relationship is damaged and part of her might be afraid of him losing control again. Haruto has the most to fear as doesn't know why he loses control and most likely wouldn't want to be alone with anyone ever again. Nothing says "Oh my God, what have I done?!?!" like waking up in tattered clothing and seeing a friend in the same state a few yards away. So what would have been consensual? Either Saki or Haruto stating they wanted to have sex in some manner and both parties being willing and fully aware participants. The only thing that was consensual was the kiss a few episodes back that Saki stole from Haruto. :P |
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| Finally there's rape scene in this meccha anime.. And that attentionwhore who gets raped totally epic! |
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| I'd also like to cross-post the thoughts I typed out elsewhere earlier before reading multiple pages of this thread so here goes: I knew under all the silliness Valvrave would turn out to be a somewhat dark series. I was not expecting this, even after viewing a few leaked images from last week. This is just messed up on so many levels, I’m not even sure where to start. It was clear something tragic would happen when Haruto was controlled by his VVV’s OS. Deny the cravings long enough and VVV I begins to desire violent sexual gratification? Haruto’s forced lust-thirst (ie, his glowing blood-red eyes) never manifested itself with anyone else, not even Takahi. So I’m going to go with the theory that Saki was special because she’s also a space vampire/cursed. I suppose some clues were there but they only make sense in hindsight. Cain’s comment about the Valvrave’s being the key to “restoring” his clan. (When he said “reproduce” I though he meant JIOR had manufactured more Valvraves, nothing more.) Then there were instances where VVV I’s OS constantly asked about sex. Saki stealing Haruto’s first kiss, the hunger comments (which we now know were sexual in nature), the “insert” comment L-Elf saw and finally Saki asking Haruto if someone “touched by God” could have a relationship with a normal human. If the theory VVV I sees regular humans as “food” and vampires of the opposite gender to be “forcible mating material,” then answer to Saki’s question is “no.” The rape itself… Even if Saki tearfully embraced Haruto it was still rape. (The way he pounced on her and took her, that had to be painful on so many levels. *Cringes and crosses her legs.*) They were both victims of the Valvrave’s lustful OS. It’s just the act was disturbing on so many levels. Saki is in infatuated with Haruto and wanted his heart (and body), but all she got a violent sexual assault, with the full knowledge he’d gone berserk. He’s the type of guy to stand by her and try to make things right but his heart still belongs to Shoko. As for Haruto, he’s also a victim and the realization is going to hit him very hard. (If you remember episode one, he was quite the pacifist before climbing into Valvrave I.) I mean, NO ONE would react well to waking up in tattered clothing, looking over to see a friend completely naked and broken in spirit, only learn it was you who violently raped her against your will. I don’t see how a stable relationship could form from this. Even if the pair come to an understanding and manage to keep it a secret (which I doubt), there will always be an element of fear. Both parties would fear another sexual attack and Haruto *may* never trust himself around woman again, especially Saki or Shoko. Speaking of Shoko, I’m sure this incident will lead her to discovering the secret Haruto has been keeping from her. Hell, maybe L-Elf tells her. He was staring at her rather hard during her speech and seems to know something is up with Haruto. Or perhaps he was staring at her because she’s suddenly the new prime minster or she’s sparked his interest in other ways. I’m still getting the feeling he might reveal some of the true nature of Valvrave I to her or Haruto’s subjugation by said OS. This definitely an episode where I could see people having serious thoughts about dropping Valvrave. I’m going to stick with it but I’m still disturbed and saddened for Haruto, Saki and Shoko. I guess Sunrise’s writing was effective. |
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| This was heading to a nice direction overall speaking until the rape scene, people die so it was already dramatic no need for rape(well she was begging for it, but still). Now the story will get more predictable(hope I'm wrong). |
rickylrico said: Everyone's here to discuss the rape, right? ...Well, it took me by surprise... rape usually takes people by surprise |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Dekomori_Desu said: Brigandi said: Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. So you want a near perfect bulletproof/explosion proof with unbelievable prediction ability holder L-elf to become the mc and make the show boring? Nice joke pal. Btw Haruto doesn't need to bite L-elf every time to fight. Do you even see the nonsense you are saying? Just ridiculous. This is why people like you spent too much time trolling other people opinion. I need to stop posting message on this topic or else I get rape. |
Dekomori_Desu said: Actually, if I had to guess, the guy was saying that Haruto has displayed a keen awareness of the abilities of VVV I, and so he's quite capable of using his mech for the most part. L11 is obviously better at hand-to-hand combat, but that's not the only (or even the dominant) type of fighting in this series.Dragon_Slayer_X said: Dekomori_Desu said: Brigandi said: Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. So you want a near perfect bulletproof/explosion proof with unbelievable prediction ability holder L-elf to become the mc and make the show boring? Nice joke pal. Btw Haruto doesn't need to bite L-elf every time to fight. Do you even see the nonsense you are saying? Just ridiculous. This is why people like you spent too much time trolling other people opinion. I need to stop posting message on this topic or else I get rape. |
Taslich said: Dekomori_Desu said: Actually, if I had to guess, the guy was saying that Haruto has displayed a keen awareness of the abilities of VVV I, and so he's quite capable of using his mech for the most part. L11 is obviously better at hand-to-hand combat, but that's not the only (or even the dominant) type of fighting in this series.Dragon_Slayer_X said: Dekomori_Desu said: Brigandi said: Dekomori_Desu said: I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role. FUCK THAT Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. So you want a near perfect bulletproof/explosion proof with unbelievable prediction ability holder L-elf to become the mc and make the show boring? Nice joke pal. Btw Haruto doesn't need to bite L-elf every time to fight. Do you even see the nonsense you are saying? Just ridiculous. This is why people like you spent too much time trolling other people opinion. I need to stop posting message on this topic or else I get rape. Thank you for making sense and not brushing away my opinion. Hated when someone reply and don't freaking make sense, it's like they are drunk before replying. |
Dekomori_Desu said: Oh so you want a weak teens who only strong point is that he have to bite L-Elf to become strong. Yes I would rather have a weak character with a actual character development than a fucking god-mod mary sue with zero weaknesses. And the fuq you talking about? Haruto is a good pilot, has the balls to stand against L-Elf for endangering his friends and Senator Moses for abandoning the students, and takes pain pretty well like the time he got shot by A-Drei then quickly gets up and points a gun and him and L-Elf. And Im sure gunshots fucking hurts. Fai said: Yes because that: 1. makes storyline UNPREDICTABLE. 2. Allows characters to make mistakes. 3. Makes it satisfying when the said lead actually does something great. Watching someone you know will ALWAYS succeed is boring. ^^^ Jyagan said: QFT Dekomori_Desu said: This is why people like you spent too much time trolling other people opinion He wasn't trolling and your opinion is so painfully biased. |
| Obviously only the writer(s) know(s) what happened, let's just wait for episode 11. |
CabronJun 15, 2013 8:53 PM
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Brigandi said: Yes I would rather have a weak character with a actual character development than a fucking god-mod mary sue with zero weaknesses. It's not that L-Elf has no weakness, just that he is fucking good at covering up his weaknesses. Yet, he is not perfect. He has already shown two weaknesses. First would be his tendency to believe all his predictions will be exactly true (For example JIOR becoming a country didn't appear to be in his plans) and there is also the Princess, whom he carries a photograph of and would seem to feel complete and utter anguish about, as seen when Haruto possessed him and his emotions leaked through and he freakin' bawled his eyes out. el_putazo said: Obviously only the writer(s) know(s) what happened, let's just wait for episode 11. That is until someone leaks the screenshot like they did for this episode...! |
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Kari-chan said: That is until someone leaks the screenshot like they did for this episode...! I think one of the writers thought this episode was too much so he/she leaked the screenshot. |
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Kari-chan said: I hope not...el_putazo said: Obviously only the writer(s) know(s) what happened, let's just wait for episode 11. That is until someone leaks the screenshot like they did for this episode...! |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Jyagan said: Wow, it's pretty easy to get lost in so many multiquoutes, so to avoid anymore clutter I will begin from here. Kaioshin is right pointing out that the plot is non-linear and it tries to slowly connect the dots on the main structure to make it interesting and give a major impress at the end, and that is not bad. What I cannot digest is the ill-ridden execution of the situations built for this multi-threading plot based on Emotion Over Reason with no consecuences for actions issued, throwing away elements that gives the show the plausibility of what a Science Fiction has to carry as a minimum like sustainment of the module, the pointless goal to obtain money for the module if there is no one to trade it, and things being resolved with the press of a button. Another thing I see that this show is flawed is the inbalance of the characters development. Sure, it has shown greater advances for the main characters and some antagonists, but, what about the rest? What is the point of having so many characters if there isn't enough exposition to cover them all relaying them only to the role of cannon fodder and tearjerking fuel. Even with Aina's demise there was not sufficient screentime to feel an attachment or having her death as a great loss. L-Elf is a restricted gary stu, he's a one hell of a one man army and having it as the main lead it would be boring. Also I have to disagree with the fact that being a Sunrise Original Show, they have to resort to overused plot elements from previous shows to deliver and it has to be acceptable only because it's Sunrise. I have it very difficult to see this series not as a rag-stitched Sunrise cliches because they do not have the resolve to approach something different than it's lazy star plot system (a la Tezuka) and sell it as a Not After-Tomino Gundam anime. As as sole person, I don't know if anyone else also sees it. Sunrise sometimes tries so hard to captivate and retain an audience that in the end they sabotage themselves having an inferior product as their predecessors. For the examples I see fit: - Gundam Seed > Destiny - Gundam 00 > Trailblazer - Geass > R2 - Gundam Age > The god awful Kio Arc I only hope that for Valvrave they connect the dots fair enough to not leaving us scratching our heads when the Incoming time skip arrives. I think valvrave is more of a soft sci fi than hard sci fi and chose to focus more on the forming of New Jior and the mystery of the Valvraves. You have to think in the broader sense that not many anime fans are actually interested in seeing all those explanations, heck, they might not even be in the show for those elements. With that in mind, not all sci fi have to be so wordy in those compartments. It may be less enjoyable for scifi enthusiasts but other fans can certainly enjoy it as it is. That's where other mediums, such as the Valvrave novels cames in to satisfy that demographic. That said, I fail to see why some of the events are considered illogical when they can be explained if some assumptions and dewper thought is put into it. Firstly, you have to remember that all these events probably happened within a week or two. The students really can't do much about the food/water problem as they have more pressing problems at hand. We can't expect them to do much when the Dorssian forces are attacking at a regular basis with a gap of less than a day. As compared to the food/ water that could probably last them a year at worst and a few years at best. Food and water is not the most pressing matter. Later on, we were shown that the students will be heading to the moon. That is when they will have proper use of the money and to get the supplies they want. My suggestion is to let the show explain itself before jumping into conclusions. Secondly, I don't see what's wrong with the red button issue. I mean, it's cliche as hell, but every electronic system requires a reboot button. This is for when the system itself malfunctions and none of the consoles would actually work. That's when the reboot comes in to reset it to factory settings. Take your comp for example, when it completely freezes, are there any other options but to press the button? My only gripe with that scene is its location. But we can easily assume there are other easier path to it that are being cut off due to the dorssian attack. For your problem with the narrative not focussing on the other characters. The show has made it clear who to focus on. Not all shows have to put so much focus on its side characters. That being the case, I cannot see how some of the characters that are relevant to the story are neglected. For example, we clearly see the personalities of Takahi and the student council president and all their interactions with the main cast. We also get to see the president's problems and how he reacted to it and finally resulted in his loss in the election this episode. And I suspect we will find out the implications of all this conflicts by the next episode. We also get to see the conflict underwent by takahi as she became torn between her new found feelings for Haruto and the person she likes: the president. We also get to see how Akira gets closer and closer to Shoko and her interactions with her brother. Following by those less important characters that finally tie in with their reactions during the election. The fodder characters are actually the ones who determined who won in the election. So, overall, I'd say the cast is pretty well developed. Moving on to your complaints about cliche and tropes. What someone find is cliche is entirely subjective but I'll tackle this issue anyway. Is this problem so isolaated to Valvrave that its worth complaining about? Ask any of the long time anime fans and their responses will be that almost all anime that they watch are full with cliche. Imo, it is now more important to execute those cliches more effectively than to avoid them and diminish the writer's creativity. There are just some things you can't do without those cliches. If you ask an author to avoid every cliche he know of, he'll hard pressed to write a coherent story, much less a good one. Personally, I prefer to find something new in anime rather than pinpoint the things that I find repetitive and boring. As result, I enjoyed plently of anime that I thought I could never enjoy before. And it saved me tons of headache. In that regard, Valvrave definitely excels at bringing new stuff on the table adn new ways to execute those "cliches". In short, I really don't see the problems people have with Valvrave. Maybe I'm biased and just don't know it. Ah, well. |
FiveOVERJun 15, 2013 10:02 PM
Kari-chan said: First would be his tendency to believe all his predictions will be exactly true (For example JIOR becoming a country didn't appear to be in his plans) and there is also the Princess, whom he carries a photograph of and would seem to feel complete and utter anguish about, as seen when Haruto possessed him and his emotions leaked through and he freakin' bawled his eyes out. ah right right forgot about that |
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