UBW route CONFIRMED

LastChapter said:
CONFIRMED SPLIT COUR, SECOND SEASON AIRING APRIL? 2015.

annie_leonheart said:

Guys i think its pretty alright to watch F/Z before watching this adaptation, the first episode of F/Z explain everything about the War, you don't need any knowledge from F/SN to watch it actually. i know its a prequel but the way i see it you can watch F/Z as a stand alone anime and still enjoy it very much.

in fact i think its better to watch the prequel first because (Major Spoilers ahead):

I can point many other things but i think you get the idea.
Again i know its a prequel but watching F/Z -> F/SN will get you the most entertainment possible if you don't want to know the ultimate result of the prequel before watching it like myself.

annie_leonheart said:


Guys i think its pretty alright to watch F/Z before watching this adaptation, the first episode of F/Z explain everything about the War, you don't need any knowledge from F/SN to watch it actually. i know its a prequel but the way i see it you can watch F/Z as a stand alone anime and still enjoy it very much.

in fact i think its better to watch the prequel first because (Major Spoilers ahead):

I can point many other things but i think you get the idea.
Again i know its a prequel but watching F/Z -> F/SN will get you the most entertainment possible if you don't want to know the ultimate result of the prequel before watching it like myself.

annie_leonheart said:


Guys i think its pretty alright to watch F/Z before watching this adaptation, the first episode of F/Z explain everything about the War, you don't need any knowledge from F/SN to watch it actually. i know its a prequel but the way i see it you can watch F/Z as a stand alone anime and still enjoy it very much.

in fact i think its better to watch the prequel first because (Major Spoilers ahead):

I can point many other things but i think you get the idea.
Again i know its a prequel but watching F/Z -> F/SN will get you the most entertainment possible if you don't want to know the ultimate result of the prequel before watching it like myself.

insan3Spectre said:
Didn't Ufotable say that this adaptation (plural now, I guess) will be treated as a "direct sequel" to Fate/Zero when this was first announced? Or did that get debunked? If that's true then, while, I'd recommend F/SN then F/Z when it comes to the VN and novels respectively. But, not necessarily for these anime adaptations.

insan3Spectre said:
Didn't Ufotable say that this adaptation (plural now, I guess) will be treated as a "direct sequel" to Fate/Zero when this was first announced? Or did that get debunked? If that's true then, while, I'd recommend F/SN then F/Z when it comes to the VN and novels respectively. But, not necessarily for these anime adaptations.

Miura said:
The content of Fate/Stay Night should be assembled to follow the vector introduced by Fate/Zero, we are following that logic. If we succeed, things should become interesting. There is one more thing, from the time I received the post of director I decided one thing. That is to draw precisely the character who is Emiya Shirou. Shirou who is incomplete as a magician and doesn't possess any worthwile talent in the first stage of the story, adding to that Saber who is tied to an incomplete summoning, who doesn't receive enough mana and who can't fight at full strength.

Despite this while claiming to Saber "Women shouldn't fights", he still throws himself in the frontline. Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move. But playing the original game I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone whose heart is warped somewhere. Why did he become this way, by understanding and despiting this, I'm sure he could become a very attractive protagonist.

Nasu said:
For any creator, their own work is almost like their own kids. You’d want them to grow as healthy as possible, and that’s how we raised Fate. As time went by, so did its childhood days, and we’ll most likely be seeing a different side [of Fate/Stay Night]. We’re putting in a lot of effort to make something with a new appeal, while staying true to its foundation.

This might be a little extreme, but in terms of story and picture, please think of [Fate/Stay Night] as a different thing from Zero. Stay Night’s goals and Zero’s goals are different things. If we were to impertinently connect the two, the story and mood would be ruined. Stay Night and Zero were written by different authors and have different stories, so they must both be respected in such a way.

insan3Spectre said:
while, I'd recommend F/SN then F/Z when it comes to the VN and novels respectively. But, not necessarily for these anime adaptations.

C-Core said:


This is what the director, Miura Takahiro, said in T-M Ace:



Nasu's response to the staff, which he also posted on his blog was:



And the ufotable staff answered: "Of course, we understand. This is not a sequel to Zero, but a new Stay Night."

It will be interesting to see what this new original content, Nasu talked about, will be. He will probably want to add some elements from Fate to give Saber a bit more closure (which would kinda make the DEEN anime redundant, not that I would mind). ufotable will take care of HF anyway, so I think they won't add anything for Ilya and Sakura.

annie_leonheart said:
@ Fai about archer i looked it up and it was exactly the opposite, my bad memory failed me on that one. still i think not knowing the result of the 4th holy grail war will make F/Z more enjoyable. also some of the points you made works more in my favor as i see it. in the end its purely subjective what would you consider more important... spoiler wise.

I feel the same, not to mention that watching a 2011 anime after seeing an 2014 would be considered a downgrade even if they were made by the same great studio.

C-Core said:


It's not about thoughts, it's about facts. Your opinion includes false assertions, so it doesn't hold much ground. If you think Aoi doesn't care about Sakura then you must be blind because that's one of the things even Kariya saw. Worse, you claimed she gave Sakura away without any thought and that is nothing more than a lie, a false assumption without any basis.

Same case with Kariya. The longer the story became, the clearer it became that he isn't as selfless as it is shown at the beginning. You didn't even accept these facts. I don't care whether you like the characters or not, just don't ignore important character aspects that don't suit your impression of the character.



Sometimes. I'm pretty sure most anime-only viewer got the wrong image of Shirou, too. But not only Shirou, Rin was also butchered by the 2006 anime. Her establishing scenes are in the Prologue and... let's say you don't see much of it.

To be honest, I can't see how Saber is supposedly more interesting when Nasu wrote her that poorly. Urobuchi didn't make it better. Compared to the other main heroines, Sakura and Saber, Rin is given far more details and attention. But I already said, what people think is interesting is completely subjective.

If you don't find her interesting after the anime series and the movie - that's when you see her whole character and are on even grounds with the VN readers (maybe) - you can elaborate on why she isn't that interesting besides "she doesn't spark me". An opinion should be supported by arguments. Few people take opinions, that aren't reasoned, seriously. "I just don't like him, I don't know why." sounds like Shirou.

C-Core said:


The problem here is, that only the end result is spoiled. How it exactly happened is entirely new. FZ on the other hand addresses points from FSN that worked as plot twists, because Urobuchi assumes you already read Nasu's FSN. Sure, as a prequel it will work to watch it first, but more entertainment isn't necessarily guaranteed. You think chronological order is better, I think not.

Again, famous example Kara no Kyoukai. The order of the chapters is mixed up by the author for a reason. Nasu didn't want to write about a serious war that ends up messily, he wanted a war that flashes back to the previous war and more and more details are revealed that are used as plot twists. He had it planned out since he wrote FSN in high school, as Fate/Prototype showed.

souledge94 said:


Going from fate zero sakrua and rins mom seem to give up her daughter pretty easily and is basically the perferct submissive wife and will follow her husband word no matter what.

souledge94 said:
Again with Kariya his intentions were good and he was trying save sakura. Yes he would of liked if this could proboly spark something with AOI but that wasint the sole reason just apart of it. I remember you calling him a monster or something like that which im sorry I cant agree with. If you feel that way fine but saying "my thought process is factual" doesint make it fact.

C-Core said:


She didn't disagree with Tokiomi because she had the same thought process of danger for her children. They get along well because they are similar. These are two separate things.



I didn't call Kariya monster, I called him a horrible selfish human being. That was not meant as criticism, because humans are typically selfish. The point is, that he is not a saint and the author makes it clear he is a poor guy who wants to play hero, without any regard of what his love might think about how he would want to achieve this.

Kariya and Tokiomi wanted the same, to save Sakura, but their view points and their knowledge vastly differed. Kariya knew about the Matous methods and what a bastard Zouken is, Tokiomi did not. Tokiomi saw Sakura's dangerous potential and a, for him, probable chance to live a life that would be worse than death, Kariya probably didn't know.

What Urobuchi wanted to convey is that Kariya is not the hero and Tokiomi not the villain. They just had limited views. Several misunderstandings and a lack of communication caused a bad outcome, which made Kariya's participation in the war completely meaningless and stupid.

souledge94 said:

Them being the same makes it worse since that makes both of them come off as crappy parents. tokiomi never thought to see how his kid was doing and what hell she was going through after he gave her up.

souledge94 said:
and the reason for the split int he show was ridicilous and made him more of a horrible person.

souledge94 said:
As you can see I dont share your interpretation of these characters and thats perefectly fine we dont have to think the same. The problem I do have is people talking down to others when they dont share the same views on something. Theres no reason for that.

C-Core said:
Therefore, I am equally defending both Tokiomi and Kariya for what they are. I don't see black and white, and neither do Nasu or Urobuchi, I see several shades of grey.

C-Core said:


Again this?

Look, your original parents don't look occasionally after you, especially not after even a year, that is just plain rude and also against the rules of magi who hide their magecraft from anyone else besides their own kin. Tokiomi had no reason to believe Sakura would be horribly mistreated because the Matou's line died out and killing the heir they were given isn't something the Matous would risk, from a normal magus' PoV.

You don't get an heir that easily from other magi families. With all the vast knowledge the FZ viewer/reader is given, this looked like an incredibly dumb decision, but it's a reasonable one from Tokiomi's limited view. He was not omniscient. It's actually the best outcome one could think about, if the Matous weren't assholes.



Actually, it's a pretty good reason. Sakura's life is in Tokiomi's eyes in immediate danger. He knew she wouldn't have it easy, since he knew her elemental alignment, he also knew it would be painful (because her alignment would change to Water, a typical Matou alignment), but if it results in her surviving, it would be worth it. He wanted to save her, and giving her to a powerful family that would teach her the secrets of their magecraft as their heir is a lifesaver. Of course it's critizisable to whom he actually gave Sakura away, but that's the whole point.



Thing is, this about Kariya is the fact the author gives the reader. So it's not an opinion that I defend but what they really are, what the omniscient narrator tells us. And as for Tokiomi, read the edit:



Same goals, different mindsets.

souledge94 said:


The show doesint show it as fact about Kariya you just intepretate one way while I do another. I go by what the show gives and thats I come away with.

Botato said:
This Kariya conversation is perfect proof that one needs to know F/SN to have a better view on what happens in F/Z.

Botato said:
This Kariya conversation is perfect proof that one needs to know F/SN to have a better view on what happens in F/Z.

C-Core said:


Fine, let's say from what the anime shows, it's just another interpretation. From what the Light Novel says, I am actually right. Let's end this discussion then.

souledge94 said:


Fine by me since its clear we are at odds and this will just keep going in circles. Though will add the "im right part" wasint needed but watev.

Sapewloth said:
One can retroactively have a better view of what happened in F/0 after reading F/SN. I do think both works can be appreciated differently depending on which one you start with.

Sapewloth said:
One can retroactively have a better view of what happened in F/0 after reading F/SN. I do think both works can be appreciated differently depending on which one you start with.

Botato said:
This Kariya conversation is perfect proof that one needs to know F/SN to have a better view on what happens in F/Z.

C-Core said:


Well, FZ was written that way, as a prequel to all three routes, so I guess it applies both ways.

annie_leonheart said:

Thanks, i just wanted to point out that its not an "iron rule" to start with F/SN 2014 anime.

annie_leonheart said:

Thanks, i just wanted to point out that its not an "iron rule" to start with F/SN 2014 anime.

JabonHR said:
Wait, what are we arguing about now?

C-Core said:

Perfectly viable, but I am not one of your supporters. You made it sound as if FZ --> FSN guarantees a better experience.

JabonHR said:
Wait, what are we arguing about now?

C-Core said:


About what kind of mapo tofu I should make for dinner.

Spoiler for large image:


Tasty, tasty mapo tofu.

Fai said:


Its far harder to change a perception of memory than a perception of first impression.

C-Core said:


About what kind of mapo tofu I should make for dinner.

Spoiler for large image:


Tasty, tasty mapo tofu.

Forgetfulness said:
Doesn't that kinda depend on how they make it?

I've also had mapo tofu twice. Once it was pretty good (although I was eating it with rice) and the other time it was like mouth-numbing @_@

LastChapter said:

I admit, as much as I love Saber, it had the most boring route

MrNTR said:

Actually, I hope they make some changes to TRULY make it Rin's route, the romance between Shirou and Rin in the VN felt so forced and underdeveloped. In fact, she shine more and show just as much affection for Shirou during the other two routes, which is pretty sad. I know she will always take a backseat to Archer during that route but still, its like her role is no different compare to the other two routes.

TheGrandSage23 said:
Shirou/Rin/Archer

The only pairing that matters

ssjokg said:
A threesome?

ssjokg said:
I would live to see HF as it is just so I can keep seeing you hate on it.

It's fine as it is. No need to change it in order to make it meet your expectations.

JustShiki said:

I think the only thing they should change about Sakura is her role in UBW. I ain't asking for some fillers, but rather a bit more of characterization. More foreshadowing would be ok, to make a better transition to HF.

Fai said:


i am okay with amount of her we get in prologue and faihtful ubw alone. Keeps up the mystery as her prologue scene of "WTF IS GOING ON" would get answered in HF.

JustShiki said:

Before the Zero anime existed I was okay with that, too. Even though this will be a proper Fate/stay night adaptation rather than a sequel to Zero, it still seems difficult to me that Ufotable totally acknowledges the existence of the prequel and the fanbase that was born from its airing. With than in mind, they should probably do a bit more of foreshadowing.

Or maybe there really was enough of that and I'm just talking gibberish since there was long ago that I read the VN.

Meritas said:
Bad, I watched UBW a week before the anouncement, they could've said so earlier

Meritas said:
Thought the warning was for a different reasons(play VN before watching). I specifically watched UBW to get more content before the F/SN 2014 because I didn't expect the same route 3-4 years later.