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| That was great anime 9/10 there just one thing i wanted to see Shichika and Hitei having a daughter that looks like Togame or event better Shichika and Kiguchi ending at least there was development between them unlike Hitei will you can only dream |
DeathDotJun 18, 2014 7:21 AM
| ive seen togame for like 99/100 of the show and hitei for like 5 seconds. of the show. and you tell me hitei's the real MC. nice very good! i fucking hated it why show togame at all you should have removed her from the fucking cast -_- better removed her if she was only being used by the real MC, fuck this show i only rated it 7/10 for its epic battles. |
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| Wow this anime is super amazing! The way the story was told is unusually good. It gives a unique feelings that solely belong to this anime. This last episode was indeed... EPIC! |
wiksas said: -Togame's death was stretched for far too long, the whole scene lasts for about 12 minutes. I know that it was suppose to be dramatic and all, but they overdid it to the point when I was actually waiting for her to die already. -The attempt to change Togame into this manipulative, two-faced character in the last episode was futile. One monolouge can't really alter my impression of her, after she was being all cutesy and clumsy for 11 previous episodes. It just doesn't work that way. -The way Shichika acts in this episode makes no sense at all. He claims to have no desire for revange, saying that he just "wants to die". Even when fighting Emonzaemon, who killed the person he loved, he shows no anger whatsoever. But later on, he murders Shogun, accusing him of wasting Togame's life or something, and thus technically AVENGING her, while sparing Hitei who was DIRECTLY resposible for her death. To make matters even more ridiculous, he just casually travels by Hitei's side later on, and don't even tell me he could't have stopped her from following him around. Of course he could. -He also commits mass murder by killing all these innocent people at Shogun's fortress, and the Shogun himself, for no reason, which makes him even more of a heartless psychopath than he was at he beginning of the series. And his reasoning couldn't have been altering history by overthrowing the Shogunate, because he never cared for any of this. After learning that he is the Completed Deviant Blade in episode 10 he literally responded with "who cares?". -The series also remains very vauge about how exactly Shikizaki intended to change history, as in what exact requirements had to be met, so the ending was not very conclusive in that aspect. -Also Shichika is so ripped that he can stop bullets that should technically kill him....with his muscles? Or something... I actually agree with this post, especially the first one. I also want to point out that did Shichika give up on dying? What was that whole spiel about not following Togame's order of being alive? Is dying that hard for him? Maybe someone can explain this to me. IMO, the ending was just "meh" |
| Just finished watching this amazing show. It had a good story and good characters but I didn't like how apathetic and ambition-less Shichika was, though he did change somewhat along the the story which is good. The art and animation wasn't that appealing to me because it seemed cartoonish for a show with gore and blood. The ending was a little confusing. 7/10 |
| Damn, Togame really died? ;/ I liked her. Entou Jyuu is too OP. Great to see all swords again. Seitou Hakiri was lame though lol Why did they show all these Togame scenes? :(( Holy shit Shichika, that speed. The fight was spectacular. R.I.P. Emonzaemon - great character voiced by one of my favourite seiyuus. Hitei hime was a bitch. She joined Shichika? .... That sucks. Shogun - fucking coward. Cheerio , die. Amazing series. I didn't think I will hand out anything above 8/10 soon, but this truly deserves a 9. I didn't expect that. Funny character drawing was turning me off at first. Definitely one of my favourite anime. |
| Wonderful anime....but I'm really having a hard time processing the after credits scene. Princess Hitei (although I enjoyed her character) should have died, or should have redeemed herself by NOT being with Shichika. Like seriously.. I just cried my eyes out over Togame's death and within 50 minutes of getting over that Hitei's just bouncing around like "Bitch I stole your man." Lol, but seriously. That left a horrible taste in my mouth. Hitei KILLED Togame. That was her order! I'm honestly confused at how it's pretty much implied that...well... SxH is probably/possibly a thing. I mean it's cute and all Hitei wear's Emon's mask and Shichika wear Togame's locks of hair/outfit design but still...Luckily, I didn't hold it against the show too much since I'm giving it a 9/10, but that's enough salt in the wound to keep it from being a masterpiece. Everything beyond that was pretty much perfect for me. I was fine with Togame dying. I was fine with that. (I wasn't at first, but by the time Shichika started fucking owning the entire castle I was over her death RIP). Gosh. That after credits scene, bro. I can't. -__- Edit: Ahhhgh. Additionally, apparently people think Togame was ONLY using Shichika. That's not true to me. Sure, that might have been her plan, since she said it herself, and she closed off her heart, but we see SEVERAL times that she has feelings for him. Remember when she thought he was fooling around instead of training? She was crying and didn't even know why. Her heart was "closed off" but she still didn't have control over it. She said she lied to him (as she was dying) but all of the feelings were real. Togame's deception while being so strong and yet so fragile makes her a character to truly appreciate, once you get passed the Tsundere qualities. My heart broke when she gave him the order to stop falling for her... |
MaiTaiAug 3, 2014 8:56 PM
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| I didn't care that Togame died. The fights were all so predictable. And I guess the main has a new girl just like that. Yeah 6/10 for me. It was just okay. |
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Whalelala said: I didn't care that Togame died. The fights were all so predictable. And I guess the main has a new girl just like that. Yeah 6/10 for me. It was just okay. I didn't feel like the fights were the focus so I didn't care too much about them, it was more about the different and interesting characters, the way the show blatantly and knowingly mocked the viewers (dat episode 4, the butterfly maniwa suddenly raising a ton of death flags, the misleading presentation of episode 4 at the end of episode 3...) and the evolution of the main character and his relationship with the woman he loved. So, yeah 10/10 for me. It was more than okay. |
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stevewiess01 said: Maybe you will be able to watch it after another 5 years however, by that point you may be torn to piecesNow, I'm looking forward for the upcoming animation project of Kizumonogatari by SHAFT. :D I would like that Emonzaemon to die more brutally like the "immortal guy" who died 272 times or like the armor wielder which basically turned into a pulp...Using guns against swords is not fair... Togame really died,i dont know what to feel...I would prefer if she didnt die but regardless it was an epic finale for this epic series...I would definitely cry if i was watching this alone... Dat last Cherio :I ... |
LoneWizzySep 15, 2014 3:35 AM
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| Wow Togame really died. That fight with Emonzaemon was amazing. Shichika was so badass. Cheerio!!! |
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| I don't think a non-analytical viewer could fully appreciate this anime. The character development and themes in this are incredible. So in the end, Togame's death is the result of her own actions. Her revenge was present from the beginning, and touched upon at various points after. Shichika's influence on her was not enough; her hatred, her selfishness, her schemes, they were greater than her love, and it led her to her death. Yet, at the end of it all, in the last moments of her life, she makes a selfless act; she makes an act of love; she set Shichika free. Does this excuse her motives, her wrong...? No. It's a tragedy that she was unable to change, and yet, there we have it. Togame is dead. It stings all the more because of how likable she was in her own way; we cannot forget that evil people love and can be loved as well as good people. Shichika. My my, how far have you come. He started out blank, with no sense of right or wrong. As he learned what it means to kill, to choose, to feel, he became human. His greatest ability was not his power as a fighter, but his choices. He chose to love Togame; he chose to fight her battles, and in the end he chose to avenge her (I cannot say whether this is right or wrong given the circumstances). He completed his hereditary purpose in doing so. As for Shichika himself, he's finally learned to spare the innocent and handle death himself. However, the real issue here is with Shikazaki Kiki. If we were to peg the source of all this, it would be him. You see, he was wrong to try to change history. He forced his will on others through violence (swords). However, I believe he realized his wrong, hence the creation of Kyoutoryuu. He didn't directly suffer the consequences of his own wrongdoing that we saw, but it is true that wrongdoing harms more than just the wrongdoer. Is he exempted from blame because he tried to correct his error? Again, I cannot say. Some actions cause permanent damage. In the end, however, the point isn't about who was right or wrong. The point is these people lived. For all of their ambition, their evil or good, their feelings, their experiences, their deaths... they were alive. Despite the ever-present death, Katanagatari is a celebration of life itself. It is a warning to cherish it, to use it wisely. What is this show also about? Fights. To sum it up, "Fighting is meaningless." That's why we never saw the "epic" fight with Sabi back in episode 4. To do so would glorify fighting and go against the entire premise of the anime. Well, that's what I got out of it, at least. For an interesting alternate perspective, check all of Zerg's posts. Solid 9/10. It might be a 10/10 upon rewatch, which I feel certain I will do at some point. |
TripleSRankOct 12, 2014 9:06 PM
| I liked the characters, but I didn't find the show very entertaining. There's just too much dialogue to sift through and I really liked the action sequences. Skipped from episode 4 to just see how it ends and it was a great episode. Much better than 1-4 |
| Alot of talking... ALOT of talking, I still watched through it... Even though there was a lot of talking i feel that it had quite good fight scenes. Also a good ending for a good series... SPOILER Not gonna lie ,a man tear ran down my cheek when Togame died. But overall a good series and ending. I rarely see a series like this. |
DdortpOct 26, 2014 11:44 AM
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ionphantom said: AidanAK47 said: Sigh...the word epic has lost all meaning. Two half dead men in a barehanded fist fight with the equivalent to the end of the world about to happen any second. That's epic. An asteroid about to destroy the planet and the only thing that can stop it is a sniper with a single bullet. That's epic. This episode was anticlimactic. I think it fits the classical definition of epic, using anime as its medium instead of poetry. Togame's quest (Odysseus' quest to get back home after the Trojan War) to find the Deviant Blades is already underway (the Iliad takes place towards the end of the Trojan War) before the story starts. It starts when she meets Shichika and they journey together (Gilgamesh and Enkidu). On their journey they encounter many trials and battles (pretty much every epic). After Togame dies, Shichika goes on a rampage and kills the shogun and most of his retainers (Odysseus reclaims his wife and goes on a rampage killing all of her suitors). Despite losing Togame, Shichika continues on another quest (After losing Enkidu, Gilgamesh goes on). I also think it also subtly fits your definition of epic (the modern "Fuck yeah! That's awesome!" epic) as the fate of Japan's future and thus the fate of the world hung in the balance. I would have to agree that it would be anticlimactic in that Shichika and Hitei come to the conclusion that while fate will allow it self to be knocked temporarily off course, it can never be permanently altered, rendering the entire story for naught (After losing Enkidu, Gilgamesh seeks immortality for himself, only to come to the conclusion that immortality will only cheapen life's joys). Despite the futility of this epic, I still found the journey enjoyable, especially now that I consider the irony of it all. Usually the protagonist(s), either by desire or circumstance, have a goal and/or a purpose. Through various hardships (and sometimes sacrifice), there is growth. In the end, that goal/purpose is met and it's meaningful. In Katanagatari, it was meaningless. Wow, this is a great analysis. Katanagatari was a great show. The battles were a bit anticlimactic and dissapointing but the show wasn't about them. |
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| One of the realest anime I've seen so far. The ending was absolutely amazing! Top 10 easily. Cheerio!! |
| Epic anime, amazing art, amazing style, epic story.. But the only thing I don't understand is Emonzaemon story.. |
MaiTai said: Wonderful anime....but I'm really having a hard time processing the after credits scene. Princess Hitei (although I enjoyed her character) should have died, or should have redeemed herself by NOT being with Shichika. Like seriously.. I just cried my eyes out over Togame's death and within 50 minutes of getting over that Hitei's just bouncing around like "Bitch I stole your man." Lol, but seriously. That left a horrible taste in my mouth. Hitei KILLED Togame. That was her order! I'm honestly confused at how it's pretty much implied that...well... SxH is probably/possibly a thing. I mean it's cute and all Hitei wear's Emon's mask and Shichika wear Togame's locks of hair/outfit design but still...Luckily, I didn't hold it against the show too much since I'm giving it a 9/10, but that's enough salt in the wound to keep it from being a masterpiece. Everything beyond that was pretty much perfect for me. I was fine with Togame dying. I was fine with that. (I wasn't at first, but by the time Shichika started fucking owning the entire castle I was over her death RIP). Gosh. That after credits scene, bro. I can't. -__- Edit: Ahhhgh. Additionally, apparently people think Togame was ONLY using Shichika. That's not true to me. Sure, that might have been her plan, since she said it herself, and she closed off her heart, but we see SEVERAL times that she has feelings for him. Remember when she thought he was fooling around instead of training? She was crying and didn't even know why. Her heart was "closed off" but she still didn't have control over it. She said she lied to him (as she was dying) but all of the feelings were real. Togame's deception while being so strong and yet so fragile makes her a character to truly appreciate, once you get passed the Tsundere qualities. My heart broke when she gave him the order to stop falling for her... They had 2 options. Either to make a normal epilogue , or make no epilogue at all. - They choose the 3rd option, to make the most fucked up epilogue. It would've been much better if Shichika didn't forget Togame in 3 seconds, and didn't start dating the killer of his "love" . It made no sence at all, he was all lovely-dobely for Togame, and in a blink of an eye he forgot her. |
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| This anime... wow. Easily in my top 10 of all time, not so sure about top 5 though since I just finished and am a little amped up. Togame was an amazing character both in her cuteness and her actual development as a character; to say I was devastated when she died (Though I had predicted it) was an understatement. This anime really blossomed over the course of it's 12 episodes. This ending was the one the anime needed to be complete, the ending my heart needed was Togame and Shichika living happily ever after and having a ton of little sword babies. 9.5/10 which when rounded equals a top of the line 10/10, would watch again. |
| "Cheerio" is my last wish... DAMNN IT !!! "Even so.. Would you mind... if I fell for you ?" DAMNNN IT ALLLLL !!! T^T I had the urge to just stop watching after Togame's last words. WHYYYY does it have to end like this ?? But I'm glad I stick through it to the end.. felt a little better watching Shichika's crazy killing spree. Things were getting ridiculous halfway through the castle wipe out.. look at the way they died LOL. The last battle was definitely intense that's for sure.. so much blood spurting about everywhere. Shichika end up traveling with Hitei huh ? Her short hairsyle is to look like Togame maybe ? I only dislike the change of artstyle in Nanami epsiode.. otherwise it would be better. Also the sour and bitter and just bad aftertaste from Togame's death. That's the one thing I cannot forgive even with a valid reason. Conclusion is this is an amazing series.. could have been 10. 9/10 because of the my attachment to Togame. T^T I'm going to miss that "Cheerio!" so much. |
| Honestly this was the best ending I could have asked for, I would have felt more satisfied with a happily ever after but an ending like that would have betrayed the entire story. Togame told a lot of lies and a lot of truths and in the end the truth was that the best and only way for her story to end was right there in Shichika's arms. |
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| Well, i'm pretty pissed at Togame's death. I really loved her character. What i'm more pissed off at is the dramatic swings and alterations of her character during her death. its like she shifts between 3 different characters as shes dying ( a long ass fucking death. Seriously, he could have brought her to a doctor and talked on the way.) That final fight, and Shichika's new eyes. Oh man I had chills. I'm glad to see he spared that kid because he wasn't directly attacked. He still had a heart, even when he lost his mind. The poor guy just wanted to die after losing his love. That final Cheerio! Im still getting choked up thinking about it. And in the end, he decided to travel alone, and complete the map himself in Togame's place. With the princess following him around. it seems shes lost quite a bit herself. and wears the mask of her fallen protector, just as Shichika wears a bit of Togame's hair and her waist rope belt thing. Despite what I consider to be a sad ending/ Bitter Sweet ending, this show was amazing and excellently paced. and the romance felt natural and smooth. 10/10 Though... a little LESS talking would have been nice... |
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| Well, hardly anyone lived, so I kind of like that Hitei is with Shichika now. She's not a bad person after all I think and Shichika is not completely alone at least. I would have preferred an ending including Shichikas death though, since that was what he wanted and what would have made the most sense after he destructed all the other 12 swords... |
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cant tell if this is the greatest episode of anime ive ever seen, or if this is the worst ending it could have used |
| It was solid/pretty good. I definitely don't think it's anywhere near the masterpiece that some do. But I don't regret watching it. As opposed to what seems to be the majority opinion I actually thought the ending was the worst part of the series. Not because I wanted everyone to get some happy ending but because it was a massive cop out and effectively made everything that happened previously pointless. Why do I say it was a cop out? Because Togame died before actually having to make the choice of what she was going to do. I feel like this was a deliberate move on the authors part to appease (almost) everyone. If she had eventually killed Shichika then alot of people would've been mad that their OTP was killed by their waifu and if she hadn't killed him then it would've just been a generic love ending. By having her die before she actually had to make the choice the author got to have it both way.....thus it's a massive cop out. Not to mention the way she died was completely stupid and against all the previously established laws of the world. If I recall correctly she wasn't properly injured once throughout the entire series, Shichika saved her every single time with his OP powers. But this time he just stood their like an idiot despite their final adversary being right in front of them. Based on everything we'd seen upto this point Shichika should've either taken the bullets himself or speed blitz saved her. Her death just felt so contrived to me. Plus, by having her die without fulfilling her overall scheme it basically rendered everything that had happened upto that point moot. Actually, now that I think about the entire series was basically pointless since in the end no ones plan worked to change anything. Hell, the very foundation of the series is ridiculous when you think about it. If Kiki Shikizaki and his family could see far enough into the future to build weapons using tech that we don't even have today then why didn't he just spread that tech around on an industrial scale to all of Japan? Not only wouldn't Japan have to worry about being invaded, but they could've easily conquered the entire world. I probably sound like I didn't actually like the series but I really did enjoy it for the most part. I just thought it was let down massively by it's ending and I certainly don't think it's anywhere near masterpiece level. |
SimmianPrimeFeb 9, 2015 4:19 PM
eplipswich said: Well, you can't blame Shichika for that because we're talking about guns here, and that was the first time Shichika and Togame encountered the power of Ento Ju. So Shichika wouldn't be able to react before the bullets hit her. But he reacted to everything else throughout the entire series. I wouldn't have a problem with it if he'd failed or reacted slowly to unknown things throughout the series as well but even when he didn't know what was going on he always reacted.....except this one time when he should've been on guard the most. |
| I was going to comment how epic all those kills were until he got to the 10th sword and just reflected the sword handle knocking the little girl out:) I also liked the new pairing at the end of Kyoutoryu guyX Blonde princess. (sorry bad with names.) |
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| let's be honest here guys, how many of us would remember the show if it hadn't been for all the trolling (Hakuhei Sabi, the narrator) and the endings? I don't think it would make quite an impact as it had for me had Togame lived and it just showed bad writing imo. Shikizaki Kiki was the one to blame for trying to falsifying history after all. If you think about it, Hitei, Togame, Shichika, Emonzaemon were all his tools. They just simply did what they were destined to do. That, I think, is not far from life and certainly reflected the history of Japan during the period. Why should Shichika kill Hitei, he clearly grown and known that his love and she was caught up in an act and did what they had to do. Also I think Shichika realised Togame for who she really was and just let it go (the snake lies) hence he appeared to accept Hitei tagging along. Their role in history finished, the curtain closed as well. Def my top along with Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Haruhi. |
Haruhi ism  It's fun, isn't it? |
| well, sorry, it's great for you that you like it, but to me it's still in the same category as with the game Mass Effect 3's ending, as in, utter stupidity |
| tsuntsun >>> deredere |
| Ridiculously terrible ending. Maybe writer wanted to be taken seriously but it only led to a bittersweet ending which I'll hate the writer for. |
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 Can someone explain this to me I never got what this person meant by who the narrator was... |
| Apple, apple, apple. *nom* |
| A story where just about everyone ends up dead - how bleak! I didn't realize I was watching horror... And of all people - to let that blonde bitch live... It had it's good parts - in fact, it was brilliant at times. ...but that depressive ending just felt too dull and unsatisfying. Ending aside - there were 2 more major flaws: 1. Killing off cute girls: It's never cool to make the most adorable characters like Togame and Nanami die. 2. Not showing the battle with Hakuhei Sabi: That could've potentially been the most entertaining part of the whole series - and they left it out! 6/10 - Good but very disappointing. |
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| So much fodder slaughter! What a way to end the series |
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| Damn he went on a rampage in that final half. Really bittersweet ending. I must say this started off average and ended with one of the best final episodes I've ever seen. 8/10 for me. |
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