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Jun 28, 2016 11:19 AM

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Elysion's Macross cannon was badass. Giri Giri Ai, fuckers.
QuattroVaginasJun 28, 2016 11:22 AM
Sieg Zeon!
Jun 29, 2016 7:32 AM

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What. The. Actual. Fuck. Is. This. Bullshit. Asspull. Of. An. Episode....
Hayate getting a skill boost because of a song? Keith not shooting Freyja out of the sky instead of blasting Messer's machines hand off (he blew Messer to bits through a tiny cockpit window for fucks sake. Which ones the bigger threat here, her or his hand???)? None of the other goddamn Knights going after Mirage after she picked up Freyja? Ernest getting hit by the best attack of the Windemere ship and still managing to not only survive and transform, but completely unscathed
Hayates side still having so many ships survive despite us just watching most of them get obliterated in that shitstorm of an atom bomb explosion from the relic, whilst most of the knights had been protected by their mothership shields (And if I'm wrong about which side got obliterated, then why the fuck did they run away??? They WON the battle didn't they???).
And worst of all, Freya STILL has an invincibility cloak despite absolutely everything thrown at her and the Walkure! Seriously, why the fuck do you even need to put her in that glass box anyway? Her song reaches EVERY FUCKING BODY even when she jumped out AND she's already completely invincible anyway. She didn't even need to sing with a mic for everyone to hear, AND she's got a camera following her everywhere (we even caught her knickers under her dress on the big screen). Does she even NEED to be protected? She already has the power of Vice-MC asspull invincibility here.

Holy Bullshit asspulls everywhere Batman! Un-fucking-believable!
This was not a good episode at all.
L-RyoshiJun 29, 2016 7:50 AM
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Jun 29, 2016 11:38 AM

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Quick question. What would you guy's say Mirage's color is?

Hayate is blue.
Freyja is orange.
I was thinking Mirage would be red but after closer inspection I think it's more on the purple spectrum?
CriiGVJun 29, 2016 11:44 AM
Jun 29, 2016 4:40 PM

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L-Ryoshi said:

Hayate getting a skill boost because of a song?

Normal macross tradition.

Did you seriously find THAT weird in the franchise when guitar battles are viable way of solving things and can shatter mountains?

I mean, music used to power up people is kind of the staple of the whole franchise. You are talking about the franchise whose one of strongest characters piloted his ship with a guitar controller and fought by singing a song.

Also we have seen it happen before already with hayate.


Keith not shooting Freyja out of the sky instead of blasting Messer's machines hand off (he blew Messer to bits through a tiny cockpit window for fucks sake. Which ones the bigger threat here, her or his hand???)? None of the other goddamn Knights going after Mirage after she picked up Freyja? Ernest getting hit by the best attack of the Windemere ship and still managing to not only survive and transform, but completely unscathed

The song messes with their heads and disorients them.


Hayates side still having so many ships survive despite us just watching most of them get obliterated in that shitstorm of an atom bomb explosion from the relic, whilst most of the knights had been protected by their mothership shields (And if I'm wrong about which side got obliterated, then why the fuck did they run away??? They WON the battle didn't they???).

Because fighting against a protoculture artifact is kind of pointless nine times out of ten? Especially now that Windermere's ship basically docked with it.


And worst of all, Freya STILL has an invincibility cloak despite absolutely everything thrown at her and the Walkure! Seriously, why the fuck do you even need to put her in that glass box anyway? Her song reaches EVERY FUCKING BODY even when she jumped out AND she's already completely invincible anyway. She didn't even need to sing with a mic for everyone to hear, AND she's got a camera following her everywhere (we even caught her knickers under her dress on the big screen). Does she even NEED to be protected? She already has the power of Vice-MC asspull invincibility here.

No. That's just power of music.
Jun 29, 2016 5:19 PM

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Fai said:
L-Ryoshi said:

Hayate getting a skill boost because of a song?

Normal macross tradition.

Did you seriously find THAT weird in the franchise when guitar battles are viable way of solving things and can shatter mountains?

I mean, music used to power up people is kind of the staple of the whole franchise. You are talking about the franchise whose one of strongest characters piloted his ship with a guitar controller and fought by singing a song.

Also we have seen it happen before already with hayate.


Keith not shooting Freyja out of the sky instead of blasting Messer's machines hand off (he blew Messer to bits through a tiny cockpit window for fucks sake. Which ones the bigger threat here, her or his hand???)? None of the other goddamn Knights going after Mirage after she picked up Freyja? Ernest getting hit by the best attack of the Windemere ship and still managing to not only survive and transform, but completely unscathed

The song messes with their heads and disorients them.


Hayates side still having so many ships survive despite us just watching most of them get obliterated in that shitstorm of an atom bomb explosion from the relic, whilst most of the knights had been protected by their mothership shields (And if I'm wrong about which side got obliterated, then why the fuck did they run away??? They WON the battle didn't they???).

Because fighting against a protoculture artifact is kind of pointless nine times out of ten? Especially now that Windermere's ship basically docked with it.


And worst of all, Freya STILL has an invincibility cloak despite absolutely everything thrown at her and the Walkure! Seriously, why the fuck do you even need to put her in that glass box anyway? Her song reaches EVERY FUCKING BODY even when she jumped out AND she's already completely invincible anyway. She didn't even need to sing with a mic for everyone to hear, AND she's got a camera following her everywhere (we even caught her knickers under her dress on the big screen). Does she even NEED to be protected? She already has the power of Vice-MC asspull invincibility here.

No. That's just power of music.


Dude, you're talking about a pilot who was already OP AS a pilot to begin with. Basara was always a great pilot, Hayate was not. He got his ass owned not two episodes ago, and trashed his plane this episode. You'd think that if those songs were really such a skill booster, they wouldn't have lost to the knights in the previous episodes, even without Messers intervention.
L-RyoshiJun 29, 2016 11:35 PM
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Jun 29, 2016 8:09 PM

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fuck that was a good episode one of the most macross episodes of macross
SWFC

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Jun 29, 2016 10:51 PM
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Is this it until next the next cour airs? Or will there be ep 14 next week, sorry if this question is silly!
Jun 30, 2016 1:31 AM
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this episode pretty much solidified it for me that Delta is better than Frontier

Except that the animation, the songs and the story in Macross F were better...and also the singers ware more likable and not moe blob cliches like Freyja, Makina and Reina.
But I like Mikumo. She kind of reminds me of Starlight Glimmer from MLP:FIM ;)))...


Fai
Normal macross tradition

Not really.
The singing in Macross is mainly for crushing/demoralizing the enemies.
You are using Macross 7 as argument...and Macross 7 is the worst Macross.
megaloadJun 30, 2016 1:39 AM
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megaload said:
not moe blob cliches


The only good character in Frontier was Sheryl

And if we are talking about moe and funny in overall Macross. yes. Macross truly is srs and adult:
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megaload said:

The singing in Macross is mainly for crushing/demoralizing the enemies.
You are using Macross 7 as argument...and Macross 7 is the worst Macross.


You mean, except when it is used in Delta, or Frontier, or 7 - you know, pretty much entirety of macross franchise except for SDF.

Even the SDF case can be argued since the songs literally caused the whole alien species to go through adolescence.

And in this songs WERE used to demoralize and crush the enemies, did you even watch the episode? Its not like they sung the ships into submission. They used the song to distract and weaken the enemies, as well as inspire and strengthen allies.

L-Ryoshi said:

Dude, you're talking about a pilot who was already OP AS a pilot to begin with. Basara was always a great pilot, Hayate was not. He got his ass owned not two episodes ago, and trashed his plane this episode. You'd think that if those songs were really such a skill booster, they wouldn't have lost to the knights in the previous episodes, even without Messers intervention.


Hayate was talented from beginning - what he lacked was discipline. Sure he is not Max or Basara's level, but he has potential and skill, just not the experience yet. Its just your bias speaking. He has been constantly shown learning from his mistakes and improving - as some people even pointed out with this episode in comparison to his previous fight.
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Jun 30, 2016 5:39 AM

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Fai said:

L-Ryoshi said:

Dude, you're talking about a pilot who was already OP AS a pilot to begin with. Basara was always a great pilot, Hayate was not. He got his ass owned not two episodes ago, and trashed his plane this episode. You'd think that if those songs were really such a skill booster, they wouldn't have lost to the knights in the previous episodes, even without Messers intervention.


Hayate was talented from beginning - what he lacked was discipline. Sure he is not Max or Basara's level, but he has potential and skill, just not the experience yet. Its just your bias speaking. He has been constantly shown learning from his mistakes and improving - as some people even pointed out with this episode in comparison to his previous fight.


I don't believe I'm biased when it was shown practically this and the last two episodes that he wasn't a match for Keith. Even if he was improving, this episode was asspulling it way too fast. Songs induce confusion, yes, but it doesn't induce Ace-level piloting skills, which Hayate couldn't possibly attain after just half a losing dogfight battle. I don't buy the bullshit speed at which Hayate is progressing in terms of piloting skills. Even Basara trained hours on end to get as good as he was (and continued to train after attaining that level too). It's too much bull to say a talented pilot attained Ace level skills and managed to overcome the enemy ace who killed a pilot that was even better than himself just from hearing a perky song.
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Jun 30, 2016 6:13 AM
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Fai, but Ranka wasn't moe.
In this clip she is acting moe because this is her role in the song.
In the Macross reality she is a regular girl with musical abilities and some trauma from her past.
Also nobody said that she is the best charter, just tolerable one.


On the other side Freyja, Makina and Reina are moe all the time. They act like PriPara charters or something.
Also running with tires in the mud, in the rain will tottaly improve their vocal performances!

And yes there are moe charters in Macross but the main ones like Mylene never worked well.
So it is the way those are used.


Macross truly is srs and adult

Are you trolling me or what?

Nobody said that Macross is the absolute grimdark show. It is heavily idiosyncratic, this is why I like it.

But MOE singers behaving like kids from kindergarten that literary fight in battle with the help of magic gizmos is a too drastic change to be called "tradition".


You mean, except when it is used in Delta, or Frontier, or 7 - you know, pretty much entirety of macross franchise except for SDF.

Even the SDF case can be argued since the songs literally caused the whole alien species to go through adolescence.

And in this songs WERE used to demoralize and crush the enemies, did you even watch the episode? Its not like they sung the ships into submission. They used the song to distract and weaken the enemies, as well as inspire and strengthen allies.


Not sure that I understand you correctly but "mainly for crushing/demoralizing the enemies" means "to distract and weaken the enemies".

"alien species to go through adolescence" - man that sounds wrong.
But the Zentraedi were only cheered up, never leveled up, and the Meltrandi were never affected.

"inspire and strengthen allies" - the inhuman ones...but Hayate is human.
Also "inspire" is a little different from "gain new abilities".
megaloadJun 30, 2016 6:45 AM
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That massive Railgun of Elysion was uber cool and powerful!
Hayate hugged Mirage, I'm sure it made Freyja a bit jelly!
5/5.


Jun 30, 2016 9:57 PM

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Damn, what a good episode! Best episode so far without a doubt!
Jul 2, 2016 5:58 AM

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This is a pure classic Macross episode!

The only annoyance is that the songs are soo weak in comparison to other seasons.

I'm glad its not afraid to kill people off which makes the battles soo much more intense.


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Jul 2, 2016 10:01 PM

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intensifying fights with simplifying music.. I sure hope that they will not kill freyja near the end
Jul 3, 2016 10:55 PM
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Man I really like freyja but...I don't know she's probably not going to be the one....from the beginning I knew...but I was just denying it....I'm pretty disappointed
Jul 5, 2016 6:40 PM

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Wow. I missed a good air battle. You don't get this anymore. This is Macross at its finest.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Jul 6, 2016 8:57 AM

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Fai said:
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Why this is rated lower than Macross F ?! It much more entertaining in my opinion


"why are there idols in my robotech"

Its pretty much knee jerk reactions from people after the first ep prescreening, where everybody and their mother claimed that this has idols fighting mechas and stuff.


You miss the point. Hayate is mehest main of the Macross franchise.
Jul 6, 2016 9:00 AM

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L-Ryoshi said:
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Is. This. Bullshit. Asspull. Of. An. Episode....
Hayate getting a skill boost because of a song? Keith not shooting Freyja out of the sky instead of blasting Messer's machines hand off (he blew Messer to bits through a tiny cockpit window for fucks sake. Which ones the bigger threat here, her or his hand???)? None of the other goddamn Knights going after Mirage after she picked up Freyja? Ernest getting hit by the best attack of the Windemere ship and still managing to not only survive and transform, but completely unscathed
Hayates side still having so many ships survive despite us just watching most of them get obliterated in that shitstorm of an atom bomb explosion from the relic, whilst most of the knights had been protected by their mothership shields (And if I'm wrong about which side got obliterated, then why the fuck did they run away??? They WON the battle didn't they???).
And worst of all, Freya STILL has an invincibility cloak despite absolutely everything thrown at her and the Walkure! Seriously, why the fuck do you even need to put her in that glass box anyway? Her song reaches EVERY FUCKING BODY even when she jumped out AND she's already completely invincible anyway. She didn't even need to sing with a mic for everyone to hear, AND she's got a camera following her everywhere (we even caught her knickers under her dress on the big screen). Does she even NEED to be protected? She already has the power of Vice-MC asspull invincibility here.

Holy Bullshit asspulls everywhere Batman! Un-fucking-believable!
This was not a good episode at all.


I do agree with what you say but you'll need to tone down a little bit.

Hayate is a noob who need a buff from Frejya. Without that, he's dead
Jul 6, 2016 2:12 PM

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Best part of the episode was the short exchange between Hayate and Freja. "It's not a horn, you perv!". That's fliting, right there.
Jul 11, 2016 10:00 AM
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So I know everyone is thinking its going to be Frejya, but lets remember that Min Mei was originally with Rick before that fell apart and he choose Lisa. So maybe she will have won the next few episodes but that can easily change if they keep to traditional Macross style. But who knows, they could throw a curve.
Jul 30, 2016 5:50 PM

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That was awesome.
I wonder if the ending will be more overwhelming than this. 5/5
Freyja x Hayate all the way
Aug 1, 2016 11:34 PM
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Wow Ernest & Elysion went full gar. Massive mechs in water are hot.
Took a long time for enemies casualties. More macross zero hints with protoculture.
Pika Pikachu flying & singing, cute how it brought the triangle closer.
Aug 8, 2016 12:36 AM

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Really intense episode with the fighting, Freyja risked her life in this episode.

Oct 16, 2016 5:57 PM

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That's not flying... that's falling.

Mmm, pretty lasers. Hayate flying Messer's plane seems fitting.
Feb 4, 2017 5:13 PM

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Wow. Just wow episode.

YK97 said:
You miss the point. Hayate is mehest main of the Macross franchise.
Personally I've always found Alto bland af, Hayate seems to have a little more personnality.
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Amazing episode. 10/10 one of the best so far.

So much HYPE.
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