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Nov 28, 2009 5:40 PM

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AAA - Absolutely Awesome Anime
There were so many moments when I had to say wow to myself. I just have to get second season.

Going to set it to my top 5 since I enjoyed every second of this story.

EDIT: Yesterday night I had dream about Kogan, actually it was nightmare. We were in some kind of dungeon and he was absolutely crazy and hold someone captive, it was so living. Wow, never happened to me before.
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Dec 16, 2009 6:59 PM
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6 / 10 complete average with added +

There is no excuse for wasting 12 episodes of my life and not completing the story - Setting up this kind of cliffhanger is ultra lame. And just for that i am downrating it 5 points. Especially because they set the cliffhanger at the beginning.

No, i am not only rating how a story is told, i am rating the ENTIRE story, and from that this anime could have been condensed in a 60minute ova - thats how little story was told, how little story was explained, and how little sense the few bits they explained made in context of the cliffhanger they set up at the beginning. Hell they even brushed the trainee that joined of in 1 episode, they brushed entire years off without even so much as a mention, they skip around in time on a whim.

Its the typical sign of an anime that has no complete source material. So maybe my rating will change once i see season 2 ;) Atm i am glad i watched it.. but calling it a complete experience would be an insult to .. better anime.
Jan 1, 2010 1:53 PM

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Heartless_cz said:
EDIT: Yesterday night I had dream about Kogan, actually it was nightmare. We were in some kind of dungeon and he was absolutely crazy and hold someone captive, it was so living. Wow, never happened to me before.
Poor you. Jesus Christ on a bicycle. Kogan freaks the shit outta me.

It was aiight. Pretty disturbin' but an interestin' watch~
Jan 9, 2010 7:23 AM

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Loved it!
Jan 15, 2010 3:26 AM
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O man, stayed up way too late watching this one hehe. The last episode had me on my toes the whole way through. I hope that the anime will continue beyond this but i realize it more than likely will not. Disturbing yet beautiful at the same time. I loved it. I never could decide who my "protagonist" in this show would be but i guess i would side with Irako, because of his unwillingness to blindly follow without question.
Mar 17, 2010 8:01 PM

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Great anime but it's been what 2 or 3 years now since season 1?

i highly doubt there will be a season 2 :-(
Apr 26, 2010 7:25 PM

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completely agree with Zugy and eRe4s3r :S:S
I just don´t understand all the hyped up people giving this show nines and tens :S I can´t even rate it! It´s as if I tried to rate a show based on the first 20% of it.
This anime has no right to call itself completed. As eRe4s3r stated, it is clearly all over the place and lacks the basic composition, which for an anime that relies this heavily on plot is simply unacceptable.

The only thing that kept me from dropping the show (I found the slowness of it rather tedious) was the wish to find out the circumstances that lead to the first episode and it´s outcome. This show just pulled a cheap trick on me.
May 23, 2010 5:17 AM

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May it be completed or not... I really enjoyed it. In my opinion it deserves 10/10 because they didn't make any faults. The art is brilliant, the story itself, the characters the music, the suspense. Everything fits.

To demand a complete story is nonsense, since the manga isn't/wasn't even completed. Plus, imagine this style of anime with its slow storytelling in a second season, let's say 24 episodes. This just would be torture for the producers (effort with its details and all) and the viewers (how many episodes you're able to watch each day, I could just watch max. 3). It is, after all, really hard to watch though it's worth it. Especially if you're a gore fan.
Jul 5, 2010 2:04 AM

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This reminds me of my Tenjou Tenge watching days, when I almost started crying when the series ended (sad yeah I know), but there's so much shit left unsolved that I might as well just pick up the manga. I'm a total Irako fan. I mean, blind and cripple samurai versus one armed guy, yeah, that's right, fuck the one armed guy.
Aug 12, 2010 10:04 PM

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I'm not a gore fan, and I had to watch happy shows in-between episodes to assure myself that humanity isn't that cruel, but I can't help loving the show. Excellent stuff.
Aug 31, 2010 12:41 AM

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The anime is oke except for the old dude. XD but it stop at episode 12 i want to see the final battle >_>


Sep 5, 2010 6:57 AM

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WE GOT TROLLED, GUYS

Ah, crazy shit. Real let down that it finished there, though, so much more potential. I am really tempted to give this a 5/10 because of the annoying ending, but will give it a 6/10 because I really enjoyed something dark and twisted and gorey for a change.
Oct 26, 2010 11:02 AM

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Not a climatic ending but it did finish the story I guess.. Have to rewatch this show again sometime maybe, I need some fresh anime first lol, too much gore is not healthy.
Oct 29, 2010 2:41 AM
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I want a second season now ;o;
Nov 19, 2010 7:20 PM
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I have a theory on the matter of Irako being a cripple.

In Kogan's antechamber, after the song, Irako appears satisfied with the tatami's firmness. It seems that in order to have a successful Mumyo Sakanagare, the ground must provide a certain degree of resistance.

However, in the first episode we can clearly see that the fighting stage is paved with cobblestones. How is Irako supposed to plant his sword in such terrain? I believe that Irako had foreseen such disadvantage and worked out a way to create resistance nonetheless; by planting the sword in his own foot.

He most likely became a cripple as a result of training his foot to provide resistance for the technique. IMHO.
Dec 15, 2010 4:50 PM
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Abelisk said:
I have a theory on the matter of Irako being a cripple.

In Kogan's antechamber, after the song, Irako appears satisfied with the tatami's firmness. It seems that in order to have a successful Mumyo Sakanagare, the ground must provide a certain degree of resistance.

However, in the first episode we can clearly see that the fighting stage is paved with cobblestones. How is Irako supposed to plant his sword in such terrain? I believe that Irako had foreseen such disadvantage and worked out a way to create resistance nonetheless; by planting the sword in his own foot.

He most likely became a cripple as a result of training his foot to provide resistance for the technique. IMHO.


Awesome guess, you're correct for the most part.

Minor spoiler alert: later in a showdown where a familiar character catches Irako off guard, the ground is wet and therefore provides no resistance. Instead, he plants his sword in his foot and thus performs mumyou sakanagare and slaying his opponent.
Jan 9, 2011 6:34 PM

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A continuation of this would really be great. Especially seeing that the manga was finished 2010. The only reason I don't rate this higher than 8 is that it's so unfinished.
I may need to read the manga ^^
I probably regret this post by now.
Jan 18, 2011 3:01 PM

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It's really a pity that they didn't finish it! They could at least do 2 or 3 OVA's to clarify some major points =/
Feb 6, 2011 2:35 AM
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The last fight was great, dragon vs. tiger, loved the visuals. Hope there's a second season or some sort of OVA to finish it. Oh well good series 8/10 for me.
Apr 15, 2011 10:58 AM

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I REALLY enjoyed this anime it had me gripped to it through every episode I wasn't bored for a minute! I watched every episode wanting to continue hastily every time an episode ended... as for the last episode the fight was pretty awesome and made me like Fujiki even more since he tried to save kogan even though he was long dead.. tho it was pretty nasty xD The end totally confused me when it was over I was just like WTF?? thats the last episode... no I must of missed something?? xD But now that I thought it over it was a really great show just hope they make a second season to finish it off and answer the unknown questions!!! 9/10
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Jul 6, 2011 3:31 PM

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Wow this was such a let down. Not only did I go through all that gore and nudity BS, but I wasn't even given an ending? I don't care how unique the story was, it is not complete. Highly disappointing. 5/10
Jul 10, 2011 9:15 PM

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1000000/10. this Anime spells "enough of the loli shit".
Jul 13, 2011 6:26 PM

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This was getting at least a 9/10 for me until the final episode...the lack of answers just left me so bitterly disappointed. 7/10
Aug 26, 2011 9:15 AM

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There are really a lot of mix emotions in this. Some give 5/10, other perfect 10.

IF it's only the ending that made the whole story disappointing, then it's not worth it to give it below 7. The whole story, plot is really great and unique. It's not just another Samurai series. Just like someone said, it really fits into Japanese cinema. To be treated with something like that in a series is a pop candy! :)

Please don't underrate it just because it's not ended properly, finish the manga then, and rate it. The producers/director making this brilliant anime deserves a high score.

9/10 for me; it's not that perfect, but it's brilliant! ALMOST masterpiece.
Sep 16, 2011 10:41 PM

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Oh man, this show is so great. It really does feel like Berserk in retrospect. Its a difficult thing to start making a show before the manga is finished. I know FMA did this, but FMA is a more 'wide audience' friendly show.

As a samurai film fan I really enjoyed it. I also have to admit that the slow pace didn't bother me since I like shows like Boogiepop, and Lain. Its refreshing to see a show go to such a realistic darkness when shows like Bleach, and Naruto are so lighthearted feeling.

Its definitely not a show for everybody. I really liked it though. Maybe one day they'll return to it and maybe make an OVA.
Oct 24, 2011 7:43 PM

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I just finished the series, watched the whole thing in 1 day. I absolutely love this anime! It's freaking gory and disturbing but that's part of the reason it was so addicting. I loved the artistic quality of this. I'm giving it a 9/10.

It's been years and no word of an OVA or continuation yet? I suppose I'll just have to read the manga. But still, I'd love to see it in anime just because of the way it was done.
Oct 27, 2011 12:31 PM

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Loved this series but like many others, a little letdown by the ending. I gave this 8/10 just because of how it ended. Otherwise 9/10, which is a high score for me.

I'm currently up to the point where the anime ends in the manga. Love it, can't wait to see how this pans out.

I hope we get a second season one day.
Nov 5, 2011 4:57 PM
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Gave it a 4/5. I would rate it 7.5 on a scale of 1-10.

My one major fault with the series is that virtually none of the character, with the notable exceptions of Kogan and (to a lesser extent) Iku, are particularly interesting or out of the ordinary. With a slow-paced story, unique and engaging characters are a must.

Unfortunately, you are unlikely to see a season 2 or an OVA because the series fared extremely poorly in Japan.
Nov 5, 2011 6:16 PM

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Read the manga people. It's even better than the anime and it solves your answers...
Dec 2, 2011 12:41 PM

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RAAAAGGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED????

God dammit. Great fights, interesting characters, not much of a plot, not showing us the conclusion of the fight (and a lot of other things). 7/10.

Still...RAGE!
Jan 3, 2012 4:59 AM

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Incredibly awesome episode. As slow as it was, it was still very intense.
Mar 16, 2012 10:42 PM

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loving all the troll comments and lack of logic in shitty rating some of you guys are demonstrating.

looks like manga is finished also...

9/10 for me
Mar 18, 2012 8:48 PM
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I personally liked the series, very artistic and dark. The end gives me the idea that Irako Seigen requested that his opponent was Fujiki Gennosuke in order to show his Mumyo Sakanagare technique.
Apr 11, 2012 1:49 AM
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i think he gets crippled from landing on the sword.

i think fujiki cuts off his own arm in atonement or something. it's obvious he's locked himself in the cell. also, he's slowly clutching his left arm as he hears ushimata's screams outside.

lastly, i think the answer to the fight is that fujiki wins. right before the fight between seigen and kougan, iku has a premonition that seigen is defeated and that she and he die. however, she is wrong, and seigen wins.

this i believe is the answer to the first episode of who wins. right before, mie has a premonition that fujiki will lose, however, i believe the last episode's answer was that the winner's woman will have a fearful premonition that her man will lose.

i believe it might be a statement that the more desperate man, despite having a more doubtful woman, will summon the determination to win by a hair. after all, japanese animes are traditionally all about determination/pure motivations being the needle that tips the scales.
Jul 26, 2012 8:00 AM
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This anime has i think 100 drawn frames per episode , it's absolutely disgrace for an anime ...there is no fully drawn scenes just moving the screen left to right or up and down.I suggest you should read the manga. Fujiki's hand was cut by Irako in a fight ...you should read the manga tho to see what happened and Irako will die in this fight where Fujiki has no hand .
Nov 5, 2012 11:13 PM

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Uh..as much as I enjoyed some of the violence and gore that was presented, this was not a series for me.

The blood and gore seems to be just forced upon the viewers. I am also very confused on the premise of this an didn't like the historical genre much. Heh, it's probably just me but I didn't like it much.

4/10
Dec 3, 2012 7:57 AM

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"Hey, let's animate this. It has a lot of sex scenes and gore, but no story."
"Okie dokie!"
Jan 6, 2013 12:26 AM

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What a tease, I wasn't paying attention to the episode count and just clicking next whenever an episode ended, and then it just stopped. Where's the rest of my story, I want to see how the situation in episode 1 ended.

8/10, great action, liked the story, a little too much gore for me, incomplete ending.
Jan 11, 2013 12:15 AM
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A lot of the mysteries have been seen from you. But I think I got one more :) That left arm of Fujiki. In the previous episodes all the damage was done on his right arm, not his left. That wound from the time he bit himself to spit blood, was also to his right arm, but with no doubt it would have heel. So how did he lost his left arm? Here comes an answer that I bet not anyone have thought of.

Fujiki was entrusted with the task to protect his master. Ushimata him self sad he should have stayed for the same reason but the Master ordered him to leave on that journey, so he leaves that task to Fujiki. At the end Fujiki failed not only to save his master but also the entire Kogan Style. With the death of Kogan everything that was not given to them from their master was lost. The Dojo as well was shut down. When Ushimata came back and screamed they showed us 2 things. First that left arm of Fujiki looked as healthy as it could get. Second, Fujiki was confronted with the shame of his fail that led to the destruction of the Kogan Style.

There for the only way to redeem himself was to make the greatest sacrifice. Nagari Boshi - the final technique in the Kogan Style requires 2 hands. So he had to cut of one of his hands to repay for the loss of the Master of this technique that he failed. He had to cut of his left hand even when he knew it was not crippled. His right hand was better with the sword as sad from his fellow Kogan users, plus the cripple fingures have been useful for his own technique. Even thou both of them use the basics of the Kogan technique. Fujiki and Irako Seigen have surpass Kogan. That is how real martial arts were born. When students surpass their masters and create their own styles that how ever still at it's core resample the original.

To those who don't believe that cutting your arm makes scene. Don't forget the sucrifise that started this series. It showed us that samurai do believe in honer and shame is not so lightly taken from such man. I just think it's sad they made it so blur about his arm's sacrifice. No one could have cut off his arm. In the story they never fight after Kogan dies till the Match at Episode 1.
Jan 12, 2013 12:00 PM

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@everyone who wonders about how they get to the final scene, you'll find it all in the manga which is already completed. Actually, the anime covers only around 1/3rd of the whole story.
Feb 11, 2013 5:28 PM

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Was not happy with this show at all, felt like it tried way too hard to be artistic. Too much unnecessary nudity and violence (seriously, nobody bleeds that much) and the plot just really didn't make much sense at all, being artistic is cool and all but this show definitely way overdid it, 5/10 from me.
Feb 25, 2013 4:59 AM
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I was eating when I watched this. The gore was even more intense that for the first time, I actually felt slightly disturbed especially in the scene with Fujiki.
Interesting, the mighty Kogan was defeated because he let his guard down when his daughter appeared.

I don't blame Mie for fainting, I would have had the same reaction if I was in a room full of dismembered corpses and some guy's brain sliding off from the side of his face lol.

I was expecting them to continue the first episode. It was a good show, very artistic.
Feb 28, 2013 9:54 PM

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Really amazing series but i wasn't that happy with how the anime ended (and almost puked at the fujiki-kogan fight scene). Hope they make a continuation series.
9/10
Mar 15, 2013 11:25 AM

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Great series! The ending left me a little disappointed though, I would have liked to see the fight between Irako and Fujiki resolved. Oh well! It just makes me more excited to read the manga!
May 4, 2013 5:53 AM

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Now i gotta read the manga :(
May 14, 2013 2:21 AM

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Shitty ending, otherwise a great show with a few flaws but nothing too bad. Would've gave a 9/10 if the ending was solid, 7/10 with such a shitty ending though. Saying "but the source material does it better" doesn't make the anime any less of a disappointment at the end.
Jun 14, 2013 11:15 AM

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Brotwo said:
Shitty ending, otherwise a great show with a few flaws but nothing too bad. Would've gave a 9/10 if the ending was solid, 7/10 with such a shitty ending though. Saying "but the source material does it better" doesn't make the anime any less of a disappointment at the end.


these are my thoughts exactly, and the reaosn that i also gave it 7/10 (would have given 9/10 if it had a good ending)
Aug 3, 2013 2:25 AM

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It's a shame they've left the series unfinished...
Oct 18, 2013 11:30 PM

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Brotwo said:
Shitty ending, otherwise a great show with a few flaws but nothing too bad. Would've gave a 9/10 if the ending was solid, 7/10 with such a shitty ending though. Saying "but the source material does it better" doesn't make the anime any less of a disappointment at the end.
The manga is almost exactly the same up to that point. I thought it was a great cliffhanger. But it wasn't an ending. Criticize the 2007 viewers instead of the show. It's the best adaptation it could have been with limited appeal and a tight budget.
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Dec 11, 2013 1:56 PM
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Brilliant series, but I found the lack of ending a bit unsettling to say the least. I hope now to find the series to find out important stuff that happened.
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