Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen - Mirai-hen Episode 9 Discussion

SpAyKeR said:
after this episode there are 4 people remaining, am I right or something is with me? Do we have someone who hasn't been shown yet? How many people do we still get in the game?

SpAyKeR said:
and why did Munakata kill his own "pawn" Juuzo?? LOL I do not quite get it at all

SpAyKeR said:
How come we didn't see Izayo's wound before this episode? He only had his own eye with a little amount of blood... wtf?

SpAyKeR said:
Gekkougahara was defeated and shouldn't count as person, right?

SpAyKeR said:
I do not quite get, but what was Chisa's NG?

SpAyKeR said:
WTF happened to Ruruka? (I know she is a bitch cuz she killed 2 people) but she was murdered as hell lol

SpAyKeR said:
Why do we only see small amount of blood on the eye of Kirigiri? When before they had almost half of their bodies covered with rot... I do not quite get it.

SpAyKeR said:
after this episode there are 4 people remaining, am I right or something is with me? Do we have someone who hasn't been shown yet? How many people do we still get in the game?
and why did Munakata kill his own "pawn" Juuzo?? LOL I do not quite get it at all
How come we didn't see Izayo's wound before this episode? He only had his own eye with a little amount of blood... wtf?
Gekkougahara was defeated and shouldn't count as person, right?
After seeing the expression of Mitarai's face, seems like he is the attacker to me.
I do not quite get, but what was Chisa's NG?
WTF happened to Ruruka? (I know she is a bitch cuz she killed 2 people) but she was murdered as hell lol
Why do we only see small amount of blood on the eye of Kirigiri? When before they had almost half of their bodies covered with rot... I do not quite get it. Her NG is also a bullshit.
BTW. can someone answer me all of my questions?

Maxsk1 said:
Could Izuru be the one behind this? I mean, we saw him looking out at sea evilly.

Raven_Wingz said:
Barely a fan of Kyoko but in my opinion her death was terribly done if she's actually dead. I didn't even give a damn about Izayoi at ALL, but his death scene brought me to tears. Kirigiri's death is just like..what the fk was this?! Would be worst death of anime if she is for real dead. Even the drop dead farmer freak had a more meaningful death.

EarlCiel said:


Oh, good catch didn't quite notice that. I mean, it really isn't that strange to wake up in different sleeping positions every time you wake up. It was, without a doubt, done with purpose but besides the position switching I personally don't really think we have reason to believe Ryota is the attacker/traitor.

But like you hinted Ryota, without a doubt, is going to play a large role in the end, however, I don't think he's the attacker...perhaps not even the traitor. He could possibly be considered a traitor, though and this is because he's definitely hiding something. Reasons to believe he is the traitor or lines with the theory that Ryota was 'infected by despair' by Junko would only really be legitimate if perhaps Munakata was particularly aiming for Ryota after Tengan named the traitor (which I don't really see any of), similarly, Ryota does seem to know more information than he seems possibly just like Tengan. Ryota seems to have somewhat of an idea of why this final mutual killing game is taking place in the first place, and I don't think this assumption is way off since Tengan and Ryota have definitely schemed some sort of plan. The two of them were even seen together a lot in the beginning and Tengan even briefly mentioned a 'plan' to Munakata. This may also explain why Tengan left his dying message to Ryota...they have some plan that is to be executed but we are unsure of whether this whole situation was created because of the two or they are taking advantage of the situation to execute the plan. The fact that Tengan knows the traitor and told Munakata all this information is a bit puzzling, though.

Similarly, I'm not going to argue against the chance of Ryota leaving the room and killing Ruruka, since it really wasn't so much that Ruruka was killed because she was not able to completely barricade her door. This is because we learned from the first killing that the Great Gozu was murdered despite being in a "closed room"...However, if people are to argue for Mitarai being the attacker...I would argue that he is not capable at all of lifting Gozu up on the ceiling.

This really brings the question of: are the traitor, attacker..or even the mastermind separate people? Is the attacker or mastermind a person in the participants or...someone on the 'outside'? Because it is most likely a very incorrect assumption to believe that one person is all three, and it would actually, I would argue, be more possible that there are multiple people fulfilling these roles. However, the fact that the mastermind did not really show himself ever since the beginning makes you really start pointing fingers at the participants.

WFCgbow said:
I saw a youtube video on this, their are 16 survivors right in the start of the episode and says that, and apparently Hakagure is not apart of the game. Whose this 16th survivor in the end?

HakuKoshiii said:
anyone notice that Juuzou NG Code is: Hitting anyone with his bare hands (maybe), but he punched Mitarai in the first time (and Bandai dead by poison)
And when he fought with Tengan, he stopped his hand :|
=> He hid his NG Code or he didnt have NG Code :-?


yeah Hagakure dont in this game, and Gekkogahara is a robot => dont have NG code @@

sorry for my bad english

nagitokomaeda_ said:
Learning Chisa's and Gozu's NG Codes made me think of something. If someone is dead and triggers his/her forbidden action, will they still get poisoned? Both Chisa's and Gozu's NG Codes can be triggered while they're dead. Why im saying this? In episode 3, Gozu was hanged, but they put his corpse on the floor, would that trigger his forbidden action?

Angry_Always said:


He probably expected her to kill or have Naegi killed. This is, if he were the mastermind. He's jealous of Naegi and likes Kirigiri, it's natural he'd want her to abandon him for the second time. This is all conjecture but my major point is his intentionally shown anger as Kirigiri talks about Naegi and the fact that someone did something with what appeared to be medicine.

It couldn't have been Kirigiri as she was already being killed by it, so it must have been someone else. Naegi a definite no and Asahina most probably not, then Ryouta.

Otakuchrista said:
If he wanted Makoto dead, he could've just made someone else have that for their NG Code

EarlCiel said:


Oh, good catch didn't quite notice that. I mean, it really isn't that strange to wake up in different sleeping positions every time you wake up. It was, without a doubt, done with purpose but besides the position switching I personally don't really think we have reason to believe Ryota is the attacker/traitor.

But like you hinted Ryota, without a doubt, is going to play a large role in the end, however, I don't think he's the attacker...perhaps not even the traitor. He could possibly be considered a traitor, though and this is because he's definitely hiding something. Reasons to believe he is the traitor or lines with the theory that Ryota was 'infected by despair' by Junko would only really be legitimate if perhaps Munakata was particularly aiming for Ryota after Tengan named the traitor (which I don't really see any of), similarly, Ryota does seem to know more information than he seems possibly just like Tengan. Ryota seems to have somewhat of an idea of why this final mutual killing game is taking place in the first place, and I don't think this assumption is way off since Tengan and Ryota have definitely schemed some sort of plan. The two of them were even seen together a lot in the beginning and Tengan even briefly mentioned a 'plan' to Munakata. This may also explain why Tengan left his dying message to Ryota...they have some plan that is to be executed but we are unsure of whether this whole situation was created because of the two or they are taking advantage of the situation to execute the plan. The fact that Tengan knows the traitor and told Munakata all this information is a bit puzzling, though.

Similarly, I'm not going to argue against the chance of Ryota leaving the room and killing Ruruka, since it really wasn't so much that Ruruka was killed because she was not able to completely barricade her door. This is because we learned from the first killing that the Great Gozu was murdered despite being in a "closed room"...However, if people are to argue for Mitarai being the attacker...I would argue that he is not capable at all of lifting Gozu up on the ceiling.

This really brings the question of: are the traitor, attacker..or even the mastermind separate people? Is the attacker or mastermind a person in the participants or...someone on the 'outside'? Because it is most likely a very incorrect assumption to believe that one person is all three, and it would actually, I would argue, be more possible that there are multiple people fulfilling these roles. However, the fact that the mastermind did not really show himself ever since the beginning makes you really start pointing fingers at the participants.

Manecleis said:
We haven't fully discussed the mystery of the monitors.
They are everywhere yet we always see them turned off. The only logical deduction we can make is that they are used when we don't see them, that is to say during sleep time, when the attacker awakes and kills someone.

Besides, we actually had evidence that the monitor that is used during sleep time is the one closest to the victim (they are turned on with a red light every time).

So during sleep time, when the attacker awakes and kills someone, a monitor near the victim is used. Why is that, now?

Dreams_of_Neko said:
What do you mean turned off? As far as I remember, they are always on, with the Monokuma evil eye. I have the impression those monitors were to actually locate the future victim. Or simply locate anyone/anything.
There is also the probability they use some sort of mood enhancer, for subliminally push people into anger. Some scenes where there is arguing or a fight (specially when it comes to Munakata and Naegi) The room is slightly filled with said red glow

Ah, before I forget. Was it mentioned before that the poison makes someone look like a Monokuma? One half of the body is normal, but the other is dark. The blood flowing from the eye being similar to the red eye of Monokuma.

Manecleis said:


What I meant by turned off is that they're useless as long as they just display the Monokuma evil eye (which they basically always do when participants are awake). And since they are monitors, not cameras, I believe their function is to show something rather than capture scenes.

Dreams_of_Neko said:

I see, as long as there is only the eye, there´s nothing. The only time Monokuma is seen using them was in episode 2, and was used to only ask the attacker to start the hunting.

How sure are we those are only monitors? They could be interactive monitors.

Which reminds me, Gekkogahara used the cctv system to locate people, were there cameras? where does she got those images?

And no comment on the poison? I think there must be some important hint there.

Manecleis said:


I believe there is a possibility that the monitor near the victim is put to use during sleep time. A hunting mark for the attacker is a possibility, but it would be a bit "insubstancial". Maybe their use is connected to how every victim seem to have been awaken during the time they were killed - at least Yukizome and Ruruka, probably Gozu too since his eyes were slashed, no way to say for certain in Seiko's case so I'm just going to extrapolate.

I haven't thought of something meaningful for the poison, the symbolism you noticed is most certainly true. I don't know what we can deduce from this, though. Do you have some ideas on the matter?

Angry_Always said:


True, but that's a little too trite and simple for this series, no? Besides with the angst of the FF members and Kirigiri's code maybe he thought that was enough.

Of course, now I don't think Ryouta is the mastermind. If u watched last episode of Zetsubou hen then Chisa is the most suspicious by a large margin

Dam_it said:
Heres my theory
Both future foundation and class 77 having a killing game at the same time and when i watched the game danganronpa 2 at the end naegi ,byakuya and kirigiri is using suits and all
And one person said that someone is waitin for u back home to byakuya and its about fukawa and in future arc fukawa and makoto lil sis is still waitin for them to get them ,meaning kyoko is not dead yet cause kyoko was there with makoto and byakuya to help class 77
And this is just a theory pls dun get mad

Dam_it said:
Heres my theory
Both future foundation and class 77 having a killing game at the same time and when i watched the game danganronpa 2 at the end naegi ,byakuya and kirigiri is using suits and all
And one person said that someone is waitin for u back home to byakuya and its about fukawa and in future arc fukawa and makoto lil sis is still waitin for them to get them ,meaning kyoko is not dead yet cause kyoko was there with makoto and byakuya to help class 77
And this is just a theory pls dun get mad

Dreams_of_Neko said:

Kirigiri noticed something rare is happening with the whole event, maybe it is indeed not the work of Despair, after all, in the beggining it was said the activity of Despair has decreased significantly (only 40 terrorist attacks) and the report Togami received indicated there were no activity as well.

Haha, poor Hagakure...maybe he is the 13th Division Head and that is why Togami told him to stay outside as well? If it was a trap, better have 1 head division killed than 2. I feel like we are lowering our guards too fast with him, because Kodaka. But Hagakure been the head of 13 might have been theorized a lot as well, right? Ah...not enough clues.

Kizakura is a whole case in his own. He was sort of "guiding" Chisa through Zetsubou, and he might have been supporting Tengan because of Jin, but he certainly had a LOT of info on the school and the students, specially the 77th class. There is a chance Chisa´s notebook she usually consulted when dealing with her students was given to her by Kizakura. I even had information about Koizumi´s friend (Sato).

I could swear he was freaking "Ultimate Stalker" XP.

JizzyHitler said:
copied from /a/ but this might be good for speculators to not get distracted

Ogata Megumi, Naegi and Komaeda’s voice actress, does an online radio program. every week after every episode of DR. Some interesting things were said after this week’s episode

The radio after 9th Mirai-hen episode
1. There’s no class trials, no punishments, and no jokes around. Ogata thinks things are fun when there’s a gag character so she doesn’t like the fact that Bandai died early.
2. She’s quite surprised by the large number of underage people listening to radio.
3. She disses Naegi for doing nothing except riding Asahina every time.
4. Then she talks about some everyday stories that listeners sent. It’s the corner where she tells the listeners whether their stories are ‘Hope’ or 'Despair’. All of them are gloomy but she says they’re all 'Hopes’. I’ll add them if people are interested.
5. Kizakura’s voice in the bonus drama CD was recorded before the VA passed out.
6. In aftermath talk Ogata disses Kodaka for killing Kirigiri off. She was somewhat suspecting her death in advance because Kirigiri had too many lines.
7. Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died.
8. Ogata was surprised by unusually large survivor number in the opening, but she suspects that it includes Togami and Hagakure as well.

Rip in fucking pieces kirigiri and juzo

Rukoudiora said:


Ah, I was just about to provide a link for this, beat me to it.

I find it odd how the main character's voice actor doesn't even know what's gonna happen right? I mean she doesn't know why the survivor number counter is that high nor did she know about Kirgiri's death whilst expecting it though.

I'm pissed that Juzo really is dead though :l

JizzyHitler said:
they only record their lines and they usually dont finish recording their lines for an episode till the week it airs, so she probably only knows what next weeks episodes are like from the perspective of her lines.

kacaj said:
We know that Chisa, Seiko and Ruruka cried before their deaths. From these 3 we can be sure, that Seiko and Ruruka was crying even when the time limit expired and the sleeping drug took effect. So in these 2 cases we know that these 2 have cried even without the killer getting involved. In Chisa´s case we can´t know when did she cry because too many circumstances are unknown, and in Gozu´s case we know that he didn´t cry without the killer getting involved and most likely he didn´t cry at all, so the killer made that imitation with cutting his eye. What I´m trying to imply is that, the 2nd victim was really supposed to be Asahina, and that prank saved her life. Why? - Because she cried without even the killer getting involved at the end of her time limit. This may be just a coincidence, but these circumstances in Ruruka, Asahina and Seiko´s case have too many similarities to just be ignored. And I again managed to make a theory which is weak, but still has a very little chance to be true...

kacaj said:


I´ve just came back and watched the new episode. So I´m moving the conversation to there.
Hagakure being the 13 th head? - Please, no. It´s not impossible, but very unlikely, except his character there is the fact, that he didn´t got summoned to Makoto´s conference, while Asahina did go there... Also 13 th division is: Frontline Food and Resource Distribution - - Even with anime logic its not a fit for Hagakure.

About the new episode, there are 3 things that came to my mind:
1. Ryota´s possible NG code. I think his NG code is that he can´t keep an eye contact with anyone who said the word "hope" in his presence. ( for an interval or for the whole game) In this episode when Naegi says the word hope, Ryota begins to look at his phone and says : - I can´t keep this up.
And that isn´t the only time, when something like this happened. In 2nd or 3rd episode after Tengen says hope while standing next to Ryota, Ryota begins to gaze to the floor while speaking. And he´s even a little relieved when he parts with Tengen.
2. Kyoko´s "death".
It´s hard to decide whether she´s alive or not, because I personally want her to survive, and I´d rather have making Makoto die in her stead. It´s impossible, that she faked her NG code, so the only explanation would be, that Chisa´s death wasn´t counted as a time limit. In this case she would´ve faked her own death, but that makes it even less likely, because I can´t think of a reason for her to fake her death. So I think that she´s like 90% dead.
3. Ruruka´s death.
Like in the other cases the method is really similar. Chest stab seems to be the death cause again, and her body is in the same pose as the others, also she has bloody eyes and before her death she was unmistakably crying,( with this again I´m pretty sure that all the victims were awake when killed ) and that´s where the similarities end.
She has torture wounds on her body, and she wasn´t suspended so she at least had to be paralyzed by the killer to not move. There is candy scattered all around the place, some of them are painted by blood, others look like they´ve been vomitted. Her mouth is also full of candy, in short she was forced to eat her candy until she started vomitting it. There are 2 types of torture wounds, the ones which are cuts, most likely done with a knife, and the other are small claw marks, most likely done by human nails. The weird thing is that, Ruruka is the most brutally murdered one until now, and the killing method suggests that the killer knew the way Ruruka killed Izayoi. It´s like the killer condemned Ruruka, but that still doesn´t make sense. The last thing I could notice is the black fluid on her thigs right below her skirt, but I can´t really tell what is it.
There are so much clues on this body, but they still don´t tell you much. From the deaths of Chisa, Gozu and Ruruka we can at least say that the killer makes the victims cry before killing them, or if he´s not able to do that the killer makes it look like the victims were crying before their death like in Great Gozu´s case. For me the method still suggests that the motive is hatred or anger, and the killer wants the victims to suffer. The most important thing now would be to find out, that why did the killer make Ruruka suffer the most from its victims. I think that he either wanted to get out some information from Ruruka or the killer emphatized with Izayoi and hated Ruruka more than the other victims.

Oh, and do you remember my theory about Miaya Gekkogahara being one of the masterminds? I think it´s even likely now, because Robot Gekkogahara had a computer with data about the participants and the game ( NG codes)

I also have an idea, that how does the killer select his/her targets. We know that Chisa, Seiko and Ruruka cried before their deaths. From these 3 we can be sure, that Seiko and Ruruka was crying even when the time limit expired and the sleeping drug took effect. So in these 2 cases we know that these 2 have cried even without the killer getting involved. In Chisa´s case we can´t know when did she cry because too many circumstances are unknown, and in Gozu´s case we know that he didn´t cry without the killer getting involved and most likely he didn´t cry at all, so the killer made that imitation with cutting his eye. What I´m trying to imply is that, the 2nd victim was really supposed to be Asahina, and that prank saved her life. Why? - Because she cried without even the killer getting involved at the end of her time limit. This may be just a coincidence, but these circumstances in Ruruka, Asahina and Seiko´s case have too many similarities to just be ignored. And I again managed to make a theory which is weak, but still has a very little chance to be true...

Maybe I wrote a little too much this time, but I got pretty worked up after this 1 week long pause...