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| You know, tons of people are disappointed about this season of psycho-pass. I agree to some extent, but out of love for the series I'll give this a 10. Giving it a 1 is just hypocritic. Fuck me right? Changing the writer did screw up a few things, but this anime is still very good despite its flaws, and it's one of those animes that is on a completely different level from its peers. Too bad to see Tougane turned into this scaredy cat though. I wish they put more effort and momentum into a few of these things. And I wonder why chef's psycho-pass suddenly rose. |
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| I don't understand the point of those sniper rifle-sized Dominators? Whats the point of making a bigger, clunkier, heavier to carry around-version of a weapon that is already capable of obliterating humans and heavy machinery? Not even any additional firepower, the definition of style over substance. Anyway, nitpicking aside, this season was worse than the first one in just about every way imaginable. I give it a 3/10, thats the best i can do. I liked the first season (less than a lot of people, but still), but im having a hard time thinking of any aspect of the second season that isn't outright bad. |
| i wanted to see more of ginoza :( he was so important in s1 and with his father dying and all that but he was so insignificant in this... |
one_eyed_dragon said: -Akie said: Just thought I would post this here as well. If anyone has anything I'm missing, feel free to PM me, comment here or on my profile. It just really bothers me if I finish a series without understanding a lot of it. Nope, you did a pretty decent job at summing up the conclusion, though you missed one important point: - "Collective Psycho-Pass" means that if a group (like the Revolutionary Group we´ve seen in season 1) starts up something and it comes to a showdown between Sybil´s forces and them, especially in a crowded area, they will judge everyone near them, as a "Collective Psycho-Pass". Do you know what this means? Just like in the case of when that old guy took over the medical facility and the inspectors and enforcers jus massacred everyone - they´d be judge based on the "Collective Psycho-Pass" - meaning that even if there are some in between them that actually aren´t target for any kind of enforcement, due to them being just as a whole, they´ll end up as collateral damage. Which is an interesting idea. Because now the Sybil System has evolved...but will it lead them into a new future or will it be the starting point of their downfall, as this opens up a lot of possibly erroneous judgements. With the Sybil System already having a lot of flaws it is aware off, but managed to "hide it from the public eye", I wonder how the public will react to "Collective Psycho-Pass"-group executions. Overall a lot of people just compare it too much with season 1, especailly those who just give it a bad rating because Kogami wasn´t in it. Also a lot of people misunderstand the world and system of Psycho Pass or just don´t bother to try and understand it and just pass it off as bad writing. It´s a sci-fi flick - have you watched other Sci-Fi series, have you read other Sci-Fi books? Even one of the most praised and recommended books, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, is full of flaws and confuses most of the people who read it. But it still is an interesting and entertaining book, full of create ideas for a, at this point, futuristic setting that might turn into a reality (or at least parts of it) and show us problems that arise in a futuristic society such as the one presented to us in that book. Psycho Pass isn´t any different in that regard. Overall the series is a solid 7/10 - it had it´s flaws and it´s nowhere near a good, very good or perfect rating, but it´s not "shit" or "garbage" as some, let´s say, less educated individuals, throw around on this board, letting their emotions and prejudices cloud their hopefully otherwise intellectual minds. Though everyone is allowed to have his own opinion, that own opinion should form not through moods swings or fleeting emotions, especially when it comes to judging something or someone. That´s why the Sybil System exists in the world of Psycho Pass. Because are unable to be reasonable and objective at any point in time. at last, someone who's got a grasp of psycho pass and who's not here to just bitch around because things didnt happen according to what he wants. okay this isnt as good as season 1, but i couldnt also say that this is shit |
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MarkusEA said: You know, tons of people are disappointed about this season of psycho-pass. I agree to some extent, but out of love for the series I'll give this a 10. Giving it a 1 is just hypocritic. Fuck me right? Changing the writer did screw up a few things, but this anime is still very good despite its flaws, and it's one of those animes that is on a completely different level from its peers. Too bad to see Tougane turned into this scaredy cat though. I wish they put more effort and momentum into a few of these things. And I wonder why chef's psycho-pass suddenly rose. So you agree with the criticisms yet still give a 10? Really? |
| Did not like at all. Mika was still insisting on being a useless dumb brat; she COULD'VE fessed up her involvement with the shite Tougane was cooking but didn't want to deal with the backlash. I sincerely hope that Yayoi/Mka tea scene at the end was Yayoi having gotten a hang of Mika's involvement with the death of Akane's granny and telling Mika she'd never forgive "the person who was responsible for that" through flowers :D Tougane's mommy-complex was disgusting. Kamui's plan at least succeeded and he got what he wished for. Overall, to me, the whole season was disappointing and did s1 little to no justice. I'm just gonna happily pretend this season did not happen (it was more like a filler anyway) and wait for the movie to come out. |
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| I really enjoyed this season. 8/10 |
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Malfegor said: I don't understand the point of those sniper rifle-sized Dominators? Whats the point of making a bigger, clunkier, heavier to carry around-version of a weapon that is already capable of obliterating humans and heavy machinery? Not even any additional firepower, the definition of style over substance. Anyway, nitpicking aside, this season was worse than the first one in just about every way imaginable. I give it a 3/10, thats the best i can do. I liked the first season (less than a lot of people, but still), but im having a hard time thinking of any aspect of the second season that isn't outright bad. You can use drugs to "bypass" dominators. You could see this in Season 1 (first episode) and you saw in Ep. 11. Bigger weapons can deal bigger damage as well pass through some obstacles. You could see it in ep. 4 or 5. |
Dooropens said: MarkusEA said: You know, tons of people are disappointed about this season of psycho-pass. I agree to some extent, but out of love for the series I'll give this a 10. Giving it a 1 is just hypocritic. Fuck me right? Changing the writer did screw up a few things, but this anime is still very good despite its flaws, and it's one of those animes that is on a completely different level from its peers. Too bad to see Tougane turned into this scaredy cat though. I wish they put more effort and momentum into a few of these things. And I wonder why chef's psycho-pass suddenly rose. How is scoring a show 1/10 hypocritical? I gave it 2/10 based on my criterias. I definitely did not do so in order to impress or piss someone off. because people are giving psycho-pass 2 such an incredibly low score based on how good season 1 was. compared to season one, yes it might be a 1/10, but season 2 itself doesn't deserve a 1. Now a lot of people differ from that opinion and it doesn't really matter, but when you give it a 1 you might as well say that school days were better. Which is a blasphemy because it's not. anyway that's my opinion on this matter :) |
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| Even with its flaws, I enjoyed season 2 quite a lot, so 8.5 from me. Sure, season 1 was better but I didn't really compare the different seasons while watching that much. I'd have hoped that Mika would die though. Well, maybe in the movie. Cannot remember the name of that classical music at the end there, could someone with better memory tell me? |
| People somehow forgot that this second season actually tried to solve a problem that the first one never did, and it was that Sibyl System is NOT a perfect system, it is just the summatory of some selected human minds, and as such, it is a flawed system in principle. All this season did was to actualize the Sibyl system by allowing it 2 things: -Getting rid of faulty elements. -Being capable of judging multy-minded entities that share a common goal or will. Examples of this are Sibyl itself, and the main antagonist, this is supremely important, Kamui is not one person, is the summatory of a bunch of minds in one body, that is the whole premise of this season, and if people don't even know what this show was about, then they have no right to talk about the series, at all! I liked the 1st season more, but this season allowed to solve problems that the previous one didn't, and just touched at the very end when the real identity of Sibyl was revealed. As for people bitching about Akane not having any growth, she was a grown and well defined character by the end of the first season, the only thing here for her to do was to show that she was able to remain as herself and stick to her believes (and she did that on the previous season), and she accomplished that in this season again, even when she was directly challenged. I agree that the series ignored all the other characters, and that Tougane ended being a pitiful character at the end. As for Mika, fuck that bitch i don't even know how someone that lame was able to become an officer, i guess they really wanted a dependable dog, but what an obnoxious character, there must be a better way to show us a detestable officer than making a character like her. But all in all the series accomplished its objectives as far as their original argument goes, no contradiction was in here, if anything the only plot hole is that it was never explained why Misako Tougane had so much influence over the hive-mind that is the Sibyl System. We know that some of its parts were glad to be clouded and those parts tried to protect themselves, but the rest should have been able to posse as an opposition, the argument was a conflict between the actualization of the system at the cost of the lives of some of its parts, or the continual of the status Quo inside the system; We know that the system was actualized, but it was never explained why those defective parts were so strong/had so much influence, even if Sibyl is a flawed system. |
DoomroarDec 20, 2014 4:54 PM
| Looking back at my post on the finale of S1 this season solved all the issues i had with Akane and her relationship with the system, especially since she actually finds a way to make it better, of course to be fair the ones that triggers this were Kamui, and not Akane, but at least Akane was brilliant enough to realize the problem, and carry out a solution, the Sibyl System is still in alpha state, but at least it had a bug fix, i am satisfied with this, even if Sibyl with all its flaws still remains as the ruler, and even if this time again no alternative was presented to the Sibyl System. You know this series is going to get really interesting when in the movie Sibyl will have to face a foreign entity that could come and affect it, that is one of the flaws of the Sibyl system and it hasn't been explored in neither season, but i pointed it on this forum thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=573705&show=460#22gl0KZ14g2KU0Kq.99 i am glad to see that they will address that point, i am also glad that this season 2 was about one of the other problems i pointed before, all in all if this is the road that this series is planning to take i think i will start falling in love with it. Also it is worth of notice that Akane was more defiant towards Sibyl in this season, of course if she was not, we would have been stuck with 2 mindless dogs, and that would been a nightmare, just having Mika for that role was more than enough. Anyway it seems that they (the writers of the series) are trying to enhance the Sibyl system by throwing it against all its flaws and problems eventually achieving its perfection, dead end, or an alternative to the whole thing, instead of just ending stuck with what they have, that the next story will explore how Sibyl deals with foreing elements from other societies and how it handles an invasion and war, would be quite interesting, because the current Sibyl can not handle such a thing, it just doesn’t has the resources, and for what they show in the trailer we can see Akane using a normal gun, that could be because Sibyl accepts its predicament and makes a compromises handing them normal armament, or maybe Sibyl is destroyed and society devolves thus they have to use the same weapons as everyone else. |
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konatachan80 said: Doomroar said: But all in all the series accomplished its objectives as far as their original argument goes, no contradiction was in here, if anything the only plot hole is that it was never explained why Misako Tougane had so much influence over the hive-mind that is the Sibyl System. Actually, this part is somewhat easily explained if you look at what happened in S1. Remember who was in Kasei when it contacted Makeshima, and what reason it gave? He was a friend of Makeshima so he was tasked with contacting him. Misako was the one who made Tougane and/or Kamui, so based on the above it would be reasonable if she was tasked with dealing with the consequences of it. Trouble is, while she was in Kasei the rest of Sybil didn't have any control over her (Kasei is standalone unless connected), so she could do whatever she wanted. She probably didn't have that much influence, but if you're blindfolded and tied with your hands behind your back you don't really have much choice but to believe in the one that leads you. The dominators is said to be Sybil's eyes but they never confronted Kasei by using it until the end. That's a really good explanation, i was under the wrong impression that the android was being manipulated by wireless means, and not that her brain was actually in there, but i guess the final confrontation probes me wrong. |
DoomroarDec 20, 2014 7:00 PM
konatachan80 said: Doomroar said: That's a really good explanation, i was under the wrong impression that the android was being manipulated by wireless means, and not that her brain was actually in there, but i guess the final confrontation probes me wrong. You see the cableconnection once or twice in S1. One of them was when Kasei was informed about Sybil wanting to reveal everything to Akane, and she replied that she wanted to go back there once to check the consensus. Yeah i remember the cable, which is why i was under the impression that the main brain was still back with the others, and they only connected to enhance communication with each other, i really didn't though that what the cable did was to transmit a consciousness into the droid which would then act with autonomy apart from Sibyl. |
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surfboard_ said: Malfegor said: I don't understand the point of those sniper rifle-sized Dominators? Whats the point of making a bigger, clunkier, heavier to carry around-version of a weapon that is already capable of obliterating humans and heavy machinery? Not even any additional firepower, the definition of style over substance. Anyway, nitpicking aside, this season was worse than the first one in just about every way imaginable. I give it a 3/10, thats the best i can do. I liked the first season (less than a lot of people, but still), but im having a hard time thinking of any aspect of the second season that isn't outright bad. You can use drugs to "bypass" dominators. You could see this in Season 1 (first episode) and you saw in Ep. 11. Bigger weapons can deal bigger damage as well pass through some obstacles. You could see it in ep. 4 or 5. Thats dumb. They seem to be built upon the same model of gun aka the regular ass Dominator, which is already an insanely powerful 'sidearm'. The bypassing is based on the Sybil system not on the size of the fucking gun they are shot at with. As soon as you're able to pull the trigger there's enough firepower in either of them to take down any human, so why build a model thats much heavier to carry around and much harder to set up? Seems utterly redundant, but hey 'look at this cool huge dominator, so whatevs'. |
konatachan80 said: Doomroar said: Yeah i remember the cable, which is why i was under the impression that the main brain was still back with the others, and they only connected to enhance communication with each other, i really didn't though that what the cable did was to transmit a consciousness into the droid which would then act with autonomy apart from Sibyl. You seem to be misunderstanding. The cable can be said to be similar to your own network cable, only that it connects the brain inside Kasei to the Sybil network. It still has limitations though, as it still had to go back to Sybil main to check the consensus. I think it was in the conversation with Makeshima that Kasei said it could easily switch brains around etc. I guess the last confrontation with Kasei (08:18) shows where the brain was. That makes sense, so whoever is placed in the drone, is disconnected from Sibyl, and the cable just gives them access to check with the system, but while they are in the drone they are the ones in control and have autonomy. Wonder if eventually they will put restrictions on whoever is put in the Chief drone. |
| Wow that felt anti-climatic. Mika still sucks. Togane was a stupid villian. Kamui's death felt insulting. Desperately hoping that this can be redeemed in the movie. 6/10 |
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Awesome_G said: Wow that felt anti-climatic. Mika still sucks. Togane was a stupid villian. Kamui's death felt insulting. Desperately hoping that this can be redeemed in the movie. 6/10 I agree with all that, but i don't think it is reason enough to give it only a 6; i mean as detestable as Mika is, all characters that are mere dogs of the system will turn out like her, because she is a hoe and the system her pimp, she is pawn, i see her more of an antagonist that gets in our nerves for being so damn dumb. |
| It was okay, not even close to as good as the first season though. This season should have honestly focused on Kougami, why they didn't is beyond me. I guess they want to save the star of the show for the movie? That's my only guess. When is the movie coming out by the way? |
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Doomroar said: People somehow forgot that this second season actually tried to solve a problem that the first one never did, and it was that Sibyl System is NOT a perfect system, it is just the summatory of some selected human minds, and as such, it is a flawed system in principle. Dude that was pretty much implied from the very first episode in the first season where it dictates to kill that girl hostage who was just in a state of shock.Like literally from the very start you know that the system makes obvious mistakes and isn't perfect in any way shape or form. And of course by the end of S1 it was made very clear that Sybil was the "lesser evil" in the kind of world they lived in and necessary to maintain order. It didn't need to reaffirm in a entire second season the same thing the viewers already knew.... |
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amateur said: Dude that was pretty much implied from the very first episode in the first season where it dictates to kill that girl hostage who was just in a state of shock.Like literally from the very start you know that the system makes obvious mistakes and isn't perfect in any way shape or form. And of course by the end of S1 it was made very clear that Sybil was the "lesser evil" in the kind of world they lived in and necessary to maintain order. It didn't need to reaffirm in a entire second season the same thing the viewers already knew.... Then maybe the 2nd season made for the people who do not have the ability to comprehend implied things. |
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| So in the end Mika was the one who finished Tougane, I believe Yayoi will be pissed if she founds out it was Mika who told him Akane's grandmother localization, since they seem to be friends. For me it was good, the end was not so amazing, but still I can't rate it only for the end, I liked the mystery about Kamui and we had some surprises, so 9/10. |
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amateur said: Doomroar said: People somehow forgot that this second season actually tried to solve a problem that the first one never did, and it was that Sibyl System is NOT a perfect system, it is just the summatory of some selected human minds, and as such, it is a flawed system in principle. Dude that was pretty much implied from the very first episode in the first season where it dictates to kill that girl hostage who was just in a state of shock.Like literally from the very start you know that the system makes obvious mistakes and isn't perfect in any way shape or form. And of course by the end of S1 it was made very clear that Sybil was the "lesser evil" in the kind of world they lived in and necessary to maintain order. It didn't need to reaffirm in a entire second season the same thing the viewers already knew.... Yeah and yet... have you read the reviews on this season? clearly people watched the show by osmosis; is clear that even when an entire second season tries to reaffirm a point and solve one of the problems with it, people still miss that very same point, there's was even someone that made the nonsense of describing Sibyl as a perfect system, for their own good they better go and fix their reviews. |
bittersweetlove said: So in the end Mika was the one who finished Tougane, I believe Yayoi will be pissed if she founds out it was Mika who told him Akane's grandmother localization, since they seem to be friends. For me it was good, the end was not so amazing, but still I can't rate it only for the end, I liked the mystery about Kamui and we had some surprises, so 9/10. Nope she was not able to do it, he died by blood loss in front of her. |
| Don't know why too much hate about the ending. In my opinion, this season is to prepare the context for the movie. 8~9/10, but S1 is still better. |
Nisx said: Not a bad ending episode but not good either pretty Average like the all season. A bit lack on the quality of the episode, or it is just me :P +1 I hope movie will be much more better than this. First season is my favourite in the end I gave 6/10 |
| It is true the 2nd season isnt as good as the 1st season. However it still managed to deliver a action with some plot twist and hopefully Kogami will appear in the movie. Mika is a b****, she really needs to think about herself since she is clueless. I am assuming sibyl system identified Kamui as an entity and he was regenerated by it since thought he got assassinated by Sakuya |
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epicscreator said: A poor ending to a poor season. I really wanted to like this, I really did, but at least it was entertaining during the middle episodes. 4/10 Dooropens said: Funny how people say that the 2nd season is not a filler because the Sybil system can judge collective psycho-passes now. How is that relevant if no one with such psycho-pass will ever appear again? Or do you seriously expect someone like Kamui to be in the movie? And for those who come to the episode 11 thread and start asking why do people hate PP2 so much - people are discussing it since the series started so go and read the previous threads, don't expect we will write them exclusively for you again. People wrote their asses off in order to discuss in the previous threads, no one gave a fuck, ignored them, and now suddenly everyone is interested in their reasons. From my understanding, through as of yet unknown means, they'll start grouping people together and measure the group's collective psycho pass. Which sounds insanely stupid if you ask me. If one person's hue is high, everyone in the group goes 'poof.' You have to think about the other way around as well, what if there is a dangerous group that threatens the peace and well-being of Sybil´s citizens (or the Sybil System itself) but it has people in it who aren´t a target for enforcement due to them taking drugs or manage to control their Psycho Pass like Kamui did? This "Collective Psycho Pass" idea isn´t for one or two people who are being chased through a crowd and when an enforcer locks a dominator on his target everyone around the target gets judged as well. It´s for a case like the one I mentioned in a previous post - the "Revolutionary Group" we saw in season 1 or if a riot like the one caused by Makishima happens again - they´d be able to swiflty deal with bigger groups of possible threats, even if there might be some collateral damage...it´s actually a big help for the law enforcement. You´ve seen how many enforcers and inspectors they have, as well as what means they possess to deal with criminals/groups (seeing as the Sybil System is praised for it´s perfection and the world they live in, it would be strange for them to have weapons that would prepare for cases like those we´ve seen - it would raise too much suspicion, though I´m sure you´ve already figured out why the Sybil System did nothing to prepare any kind of means against huge riots or people like Makishima) It allows them to judge bigger groups as a whole entity - thus shortening the process, cutting down of equipment and personnel losses, as well as possibly letting targets get away, because criminals can only be judged one by one (like we´ve seen in that one bar in season 1 where nearly everyone got away in that "raid") Imagine if you want to take down a big crime syndicate. Do you try to charge every single ****ing person in a huge crime organization, possibly letting some of them get away, until you´ll finalized charging and judging them all, possbily only being able to charge a single person as that person is used as a scapegoat by the other members - or do you charge them with multiple crimes as a whole group, getting them all in one fell swoop? Sybil can now deal with multiple criminal rings and judge them as, for example, a term you´ve surely heard in the real world as well, Terrorist Group. Though, as you said and just like in real life, some people, who did not play that much of a big role in it, often get caught in the crossfire as well, seeing as they are being charged as a group, they might get a higher sentence than if they would´ve been charged as a single person for the deeds they actually commited. That´s the clue. Either this new evolved Sybil System rises further up to the point of "perfection" or this is the point of their downfall, as this "Collective Psycho Pass"-system leaves a lot of room open for erroneous judgements. I hope we can see this new part of the Sybil System in the movie and possibly, if they do it, in a season 3 - cause I really like what they did with the system. I´ve read and wattched some sci-fi books, series and movies but in those books the system was either perfect or so flaw it broke down at the end. Sybil is neither perfect, nor did it break down...I´m really interested to see the future of this system. |
one_eyed_dragonDec 21, 2014 3:05 PM
| I think that the end was appropiate for this season and i try not to compare it with S1 but judge as a stand alone. The thing that I like most about this season is that we are dealing with a very mature, competent Akane (in S1 she was a rookie) that shows you what is the right decision according to law without being clouded by personal feelings. She stands by herself not looking up at someone else (kougami) for guidance and the fact that she doesn't light a cigarette anymore means that she has decided to move on. Also Kamui was judged correctly as a victim of sybil an-left to live as for the black parts of sybil togane and his mother-eliminated. I somehow feel a bit of compasion for togane because he also is a victim of sybil's experiments, but he lost all of his sense of right or wrong so there was no turning back for him as shown in the grown cc-899! In the end i can say that this season wasn't a complete fail, indeed it could have been done better(the uneven pace of the story, in the beginning slow and no in the end fast-but maybe this was their intention idk) if you compare it to S1, but then again it is better to judge it as a stand alone. (9/10) Can't wait the movie! |
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| It was a good season dunno why are you all so salty -_-.Sure it was a bit over the top with the whole Kamui stuff , and new characters were bland but it was not that much worse then the first season. |
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Welp. All I can do is neuralize myself to forget this season/Mika and get hyped up for the movie (that at least looks epic). Nice experiencing the rollercoaster known as Season 2 with you all. Until the movie... |
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| Was expecting a better ending after watching some thrilling episodes but this episode kind of ruined all of it :/ |
| I forgot to mention, Episode 11 just seems REALLY rushed in every way. Someone must have pressed the fast forward button. |
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| Plot had its moments but as a cohesive whole it didn't surpass that of season 1. There were thrills a plenty though and that made for one heck of an exciting ride. There's no doubt I enjoyed it, but there's a lot that could've been improved given more time. On the production side, while Tatsunoko Productions did respectably well with the animation and sound, it's undoubtedly inferior to Production I.G's earlier efforts. I want to question the mentality of the director when they were planning out the story. Did they just want to entertain us? Or was it to set out inflective ideas about the nature of the Sibyl System? I'd wager he succeeded quite well in the first point, but unfortunately the story left much to be desired. Additionally some elements really make me question what they were thinking when they decided to write it in, for example the sniper Dominator. Still, the second season of Psycho-Pass manages to entertain and that's all that should matter. Sadly though, for such a rich universe, we've come to expect more from Psycho-Pass than just that, so in that regard it fails miserable, which makes it all the more frustrating knowing that it could've and should've been better. 8/10 |
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| The last episode was great but it didn't feel like finale at all. It lacked impact, something big happening. I'm not saying that Sybil removing criminals from its ranks wasn't big enough but it just wasn't executed well, imo. They just went poof and the plot line was over. Then Togane came and Kamui went poof and the plot line was over. Then Togane died. And Akane was just standing there with a "WTF?!" face. However, I really liked how Kamui was portrayed and how Akane acted. She was badass. Like always. As an episode it would get 8/10 form me but as a finale 5/10 is the most. The anime as a whole was MUCH better than the first season. The characters worked better, Kamui felt like a real evil mastermind and he was the perfect opponent for Akane. Togane's role felt fitting considering that Sybil doesn't like keeping criminally asymptomatic people just walking around. I really like how Sybil and Akane developed mutual respect and understanding. Mika is the only thing troubling me. Considering what she went through and that she's not criminally asymptomatic, her Psycho-pass should have been affected long time ago but it looks like no one really cared about that. Anyway, my final rating is 9/10 as a whole. |
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deanzel said: Welp. All I can do is neuralize myself to forget this season/Mika and get hyped up for the movie (that at least looks epic). Nice experiencing the rollercoaster known as Season 2 with you all. Until the movie... +1 Can't give this season more than 4/10 |
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| I still haven't decided whether this whole philosophy behind judging groups is full of shit, or actually really thought-provoking (I've wondered myself regarding the omnipotence paradox). However, unlike some people, I thought this season was really interesting and not useless at all. The point isn't that Sybil can judge people like Kamui, the whole point was that Sybil could come to judge itself and thus address imperfections within itself. And now that it can, it opens up a whole new door of possibilities. Things this season could have done without: 1) Shimotsuki; 2) unnecessary shock-factor audience-pandering gore (it was reaaaally intense in the pharmacy scene, but some of the following ones, especially the opera song playing during the burning hall one, made me roll my eyes); 3) did I mention Shimotsuki? 1&3) I get that Shimotsuki is supposed to be a representation of people who try to close their eyes to the wrongdoings in society, but did she have to be so insufferingly ignorant and annoying? No, she did not. She got absolutely NO sympathy from me. I'm annoyed that she of all people survived. (PS: I thought it was a nice touch with how Akane tried to stay connected to Kogami through the cigarettes. Inb4 Akane becomes the new Jesus Christ and sacrifices herself in the movie) |
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TimberCloud said: one_eyed_dragon said: You have to think about the other way around as well, what if there is a dangerous group that threatens the peace and well-being of Sybil´s citizens (or the Sybil System itself) but it has people in it who aren´t a target for enforcement due to them taking drugs or manage to control their Psycho Pass like Kamui did? This "Collective Psycho Pass" idea isn´t for one or two people who are being chased through a crowd and when an enforcer locks a dominator on his target everyone around the target gets judged as well. It´s for a case like the one I mentioned in a previous post - the "Revolutionary Group" we saw in season 1 or if a riot like the one caused by Makishima happens again - they´d be able to swiflty deal with bigger groups of possible threats, even if there might be some collateral damage...it´s actually a big help for the law enforcement. You´ve seen how many enforcers and inspectors they have, as well as what means they possess to deal with criminals/groups (seeing as the Sybil System is praised for it´s perfection and the world they live in, it would be strange for them to have weapons that would prepare for cases like those we´ve seen - it would raise too much suspicion, though I´m sure you´ve already figured out why the Sybil System did nothing to prepare any kind of means against huge riots or people like Makishima) It allows them to judge bigger groups as a whole entity - thus shortening the process, cutting down of equipment and personnel losses, as well as possibly letting targets get away, because criminals can only be judged one by one (like we´ve seen in that one bar in season 1 where nearly everyone got away in that "raid") Imagine if you want to take down a big crime syndicate. Do you try to charge every single ****ing person in a huge crime organization, possibly letting some of them get away, until you´ll finalized charging and judging them all, possbily only being able to charge a single person as that person is used as a scapegoat by the other members - or do you charge them with multiple crimes as a whole group, getting them all in one fell swoop? Sybil can now deal with multiple criminal rings and judge them as, for example, a term you´ve surely heard in the real world as well, Terrorist Group. Though, as you said and just like in real life, some people, who did not play that much of a big role in it, often get caught in the crossfire as well, seeing as they are being charged as a group, they might get a higher sentence than if they would´ve been charged as a single person for the deeds they actually commited. That´s the clue. Either this new evolved Sybil System rises further up to the point of "perfection" or this is the point of their downfall, as this "Collective Psycho Pass"-system leaves a lot of room open for erroneous judgements. I hope we can see this new part of the Sybil System in the movie and possibly, if they do it, in a season 3 - cause I really like what they did with the system. I´ve read and wattched some sci-fi books, series and movies but in those books the system was either perfect or so flaw it broke down at the end. Sybil is neither perfect, nor did it break down...I´m really interested to see the future of this system. The important thing about the "Collective Psycho-Pass"-system it's that it allows Sybil System itself to be judged. That's what Kamui wanted to achieve, so that now Sybil can either improve itself or be destroyed by some other "judge" with better ideas. I would expect a season 3 in which Kougami is the new villain, and in the end he and Akane get to defeat Sybil System. Perhaps, this could happen in the upcoming movie, although I haven't really understood if it will be just a filler movie or a sequel to the main plot. BTW This was a good season, of course season 1 was a masterpiece and it would have been hard to get to its level, but this doesn't mean that season 2 is shit. We also have to think that they had 11 episodes only, while the first one had twice the time to build a great story. P.S. Tougane was really disappointing as a character. In the beginning I thought of him as the new Kougami, and he had also a badass character design, but in the end he was just a madman obsessed with his mother. The only thing that saves him is that Mika is even worse. The point of the movie is to allow Sibyl to go against foreign elements, a thing that the current one can't do, it is not a filler movie, each scenario is made to explore the weakness of Sibyl which is a system filled with flaws, for example:
I don't think that neither Akane nor Kogami will try to destroy Sibyl without coming with an alternative system of governance superior to Sibyl itself, until that day comes Sibyl as flawed as it is, will remain a necessity, the current Akane hardly has an idea for a replacement and it actually needed of Kamui just to make Sibyl better, and she had to struggle for that, as for Kogami, we don't know what he has been doing, but i don't think he has come with an answer yet, it would be interesting if he has that would do for a great story. |
Doomroar said: The point of the movie is to allow Sibyl to go against foreign elements, a thing that the current one can't do, it is not a filler movie, each scenario is made to explore the weakness of Sibyl which is a system filled with flaws, for example:
I don't think that neither Akane nor Kogami will try to destroy Sibyl without coming with an alternative system of governance superior to Sibyl itself, until that day comes Sibyl as flawed as it is, will remain a necessity, the current Akane hardly has an idea for a replacement and it actually needed of Kamui just to make Sibyl better, and she had to struggle for that, as for Kogami, we don't know what he has been doing, but i don't think he has come with an answer yet, it would be interesting if he has that would do for a great story. 10/10 for your comment and summary. Thank you. Basically, I skipped S2, I didn't like Sibyl system, don't think it's a necessity as what depicted in the show. I'm more interested in what Kogami is doing and what he's going to do. |
| While this season wasn't bad, it definitely was not great. Like what a lot of other people are saying, it just seemed like it lacked something. I'm going to treat this as a kind of filler/prep for the movie. I get the feeling that the purpose of the season was just to set up the world for the movie's plot, so I really hope that this season is somewhat redeemed. |
| Epic ending I must say to be honest, some great resolve to this arc and I do wonder what the sequel movie will offer us of a story! But boy did I enjoy this second season, I started today with watching the complete New Edit version of the first season to then directly watch this season and it was so perfect! Really great franchise in general I must say! 9/10 |
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