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| 10/10. Kanba x Shouma OTP. Anime of the year. |
| Steins Gate anyone? The timelines changed resulting in a different reality without Himari ever meeting Sho and Kanba. Himari becomes a normal girl now without ever meeting her "brothers" but her memories of the previous timeline remain hidden within her. Although in Steins Gate, it is hinted that they eventually meet again, Himari might only remember her brothers by heart and never by memory. Damn it! I wanted Sho x Ringo to work out T_T |
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| This Ending made me cry but the reason is becuase they don't remember each other and does it explain why shouma and kamba where put in those cages? |
| Just finished the series. Personally, I loved it. It takes multifaceted storytelling to a whole new level. I think one of the best things about the series is how you can interpret it at so many different levels. A solid 9/10 from me overall. Rynia said: First thing I don't understand: The scene where red penguin shaped stuff comes flying out of Kanba's chest and start turning into apples. What happened there? o.o Second thing: Who actually saved Himari? Ringo's fate transfer or Kanba returning the penguindrum/apple? sherwoodanderson made some great points about these but as for my personal take on the matter: 1) The red penguin shaped stuff coming out of Kanba's chest and turning into apples represent the half of the penguindrum that was inside him all along. 2) Ringo initiated the fate transfer and was about to pay the price by turning into a human torch (dying) but Shouma was against letting someone he loves paying such a steep price to help his family so he took the punishment in her stead. The reason Kanba needed to fulfil the penguindrum was to remove the curse that plagued him + his real family + also Shouma and Himari. Someone made an awesome diagram explaining the movement/splitting of the penguindrum (the apple of fate that was shared throughout the series) here I'd like to add that I don't believe that the penguindrum was returned to the two siblings as shown iin the diagram. I believe it was used by Momoka to leave that library place (which might represent purgatory/hell/ place of unfulfilled desires/place for collection of all the bad thoughts of the world), thus leaving Sanetoshi and fulfilling his prophecy that he would never be able to be together with Momoka due to their differences. |
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| First 12 episodes kept making me more and more confused because problems kept building up after another problems. The last 12 episodes, vaguely answered it. Why does the number 95 keep appearing? This whole series was confusing lol. I liked it, but I have no clue what happened.....This diagram really helps here 8/10 I liked how Himari likes monkeys know instead of penguins LOL |
Kallen_R2 said: First 12 episodes kept making me more and more confused because problems kept building up after another problems. The last 12 episodes, vaguely answered it. Why does the number 95 keep appearing? 1995 was the year when Ringo, Kanba and Shoma were born (even in the same day) and was also the year (and day) when the terrorist attack (the "sin") ocurred, and when Momoka disappeared. |
arrozykamehamehaJul 13, 2012 7:48 PM
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| i am still not quite sure of how this happened, bitter sweet i suppose, the actual story didn't hit me, it was just the music and the voice acting that made it feel intense, could of been better, but still a good series, not sure what to rate yet |
| brb reading up on greek/jap literature to understand wtf really happened lol @ sheep clueless viewers jumping on the train of "OMFG I DON'T UNDERSTAND A DAMN THING, BUT I KNOW THIS ANIME IS VERY DEEP AND FULL OF STUFF I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND. 10/10!!!! It's a quite refreshing series for me.. 8/10 |
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| God dammit... That ending made me all teary-eyed. I don't think I completely understand everything, and I'm gutted Shouma and Ringo couldn't be together in the end, but overall - what a brilliant series. |
| ;_; Oh man...wow. First of all, this show's greatest merit is indeed that I have to keep thinking about it - and with the help of the ending, so many things fall neatly into place now. It just needs a bit of time to appreciate what was shown to you. However, of course there were flaws, some seemed kinda "blatant" at the end (Mario's role?), but this didn't actually managed to negate all the thing the show did perfectly. So, this is a 9/10 for me in the end. I enjoyed the show a lot. I've got to add that I get the feeling there are various people who didn't take the time to think about the entire show for a bit and/or didn't even pay attention to many things which would have helped them getting a bit of an enlightenment - which resulted in them going "Too confusing, it was random, didn't get it, it's bad". Seriously, if you failed to get what the 95 stood for or only now realized that "there was some episode with similar boys talking", or why the hat alone wasn't sufficient to keep Himari alive, then sorry, but either you didn't pay attention at all or you're really bad with symbolism and then of course this show is not for you. Giving this show ratings of 4 or similar just plainly states that you weren't willing to think about it in the slightest, imho. Of course there are a lot of things that still need interpretation in the end, but of course, that's almost entirely up to your power of imagination and willingness to put some thought into this. I would like to point out the last message Himari finds inside the bear (which still is the broken/stitched one, mind you - Shoma and Kanba weren't in this "world line", so it shouldn't be damaged - but we remember Himari's words "the stitched belly is a proof that we're family" - so they boys left yet another thing behind). I actually had to wonder whether this is the "message to a precious person" that the two promised to deliver when they were in those boxes. In the end, both of them survived, so they delivered that shared message....perhaps? =) So...are Shoma and Kanba reborn - or spirits wandering around in the afterlife? Who knows, it might point to the latter, but in any case, they produced happiness together and that's probably all that matters. |
SaorinJul 25, 2012 9:07 AM
Kallen_R2 said: First 12 episodes kept making me more and more confused because problems kept building up after another problems. The last 12 episodes, vaguely answered it. Why does the number 95 keep appearing? This whole series was confusing lol. I liked it, but I have no clue what happened.....This diagram really helps here 8/10 I liked how Himari likes monkeys know instead of penguins LOL I understand it more better after the diagram xD I really liked how the first person did the summary xD Cool~ |
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| OMFG, tears are still pouring from my eyes what a beautiful ending..I don't remember the last time I cried for a series I didn't even cry for Clannad.. Ikuhara, Brains Base and all the staff you rock!! 10/10 |
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| That was an amazing ending. I'm glad I took the time to watch this anime. |
| Ok , No one here will disagree that no anime would ever surpass this in .. weird uniqueness ? Idk the whole thing made me shocked episode by episode , leave alone the end that fucked up my mind I really wanted Shouma to end up with Ringo , Cared less about Himari , tbh I'm kinda pissed that bug is still alive she really had no role its sad its all done for such bacteria Anyways I loved the end , Death of Shouma and Kanba made it memorable , usual happy endings are not remembered 10/10 in a weird twisted awesome way , I'd say 9 and half out of 10 because of how shitty the character "Himari" was , but I couldnt because of the awesomeness |
| I'm........... confused... really confused. I don't really understand symbolism thingy. Aaaargh I hope I could understand this show more!! I like how it is so unique, weird and strange in a good way, and this show is so unexpected and mindf*king... I cried a little, but if I understand this show fully, I might cried a lot like everyone else had and gave it a 10/10. But I didn't....... So, 8/10......... |
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| Found the series pretty blarghh, dunno whether to give 6 or 7/10 |
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| I loved it, however I've got questions that are bugging me: 1) What is exactly Pingum drum? I thought it was a feeling. Is it right? 2)Why didn't Himari achieve to join the triple H? 3)Were their parents really dead? How so? 4) Was Momoka posessing Himari when she was wering the hat? 5)Assuming it was Momoka posessing Himari, why did she say harsh things to Ringo? 6)In the end, did they(Shouma and Kanba) turn themselves in ghost? In spite of the questions, I really liked this anime. |
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| That was kinda terrible. |
| They tried to hard to mind fuck everyone for the last episode it was a very good series but this last episode was a total WTF moment I felt the sacrifice junk was forced. Why do they have to be in some alternate universe and not live as a family anymore I just feel its stupid.....maybe I just can't come to terms because it was sad ending but it could have been done better |
| So they become strangers at the end? |
| I was close to tears... I know its a great ending, its just that I wanted Ringo and Shouma to be together~! When he said "I Love You" to her and dissapeared into the flames it broke my heart |
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1idd0kun said: Vanisher said: why were kanba and shouma in those boxes? what were the true intentions of shouma father? (is he even his father?) Shouma's father wanted to change society into something more fair so everyone could be equally happy. Those intentions were good, the problem were his methods. As for the boxes, they represent humans' inherent selfishness, which might prevent us from reaching out to others and create inter-personal relationships. Vanisher said: What about the apple that himari got from shouma? how did ringo/double h knew about the phrase of the spell? The apple is just symbolic of reaching out to others. It represent the connection/bond between people. The phrase of the spell are just word that are important to the one you cast the spell for. Double H's words were important to Himari, so that's why Ringo used those words as the spell. The spell just represent the will to sacrifice for someone else out of love, so the words don't really matter much. Anyway, almost everything in penguidrum is symbolic or metaphorical, so it makes more sense if you don't try to take it too much as face value. The apple was also represented something to those religious Christian ideals. Such as how Shouma asked Himari if she knew of the story of the first two human beings, he was referring to Adam and Eve. If I remember correctly one of them was tricked by Satan because one of them ate the apple even though God told them specifically not to thus caused pain and suffering. |
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Arjay-nyan said: Someone explain the ending to me. ಥ_ಥ Why did Kanba died ?And how did Shoma take the fate transfer punishment from Ringo ? Because both Kanba and Shouma shared the same fate. Remember when little kid Kanba gave little kid Shouma half of the apple? One of the things he said to little kid Shouma before giving him the apple was this "Let us share the same fate..." |
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| 10/10 I feel that ending has similarities to Super Frog Saves Tokyo (the book that Himari was looking for). I wonder if Shouma and Kanba turned into a ghost or something like Momoka. Anyway, I'm still satisfied. |
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| Great series, there is no doubt in my mind that that is the case. I'm still not exactly sure what happened in this final episode. But, a few of the posts in the first few pages kind of helped clear that up. Such as the box representing human selfishness and Kanba overcoming that and then consequently he and Shouma sacrificing themselves for their respective love interests and more or less resetting the world and making others forget them. But, they were reset back to their time as children? Anyway, like Utena, this is a series that clearly will have a lot of re-watch value going forward in which I can uncover things I didn't notice before. To me, it's awesome when a director/writer/anime doesn't treat me like a fool and lets me notice things for myself. Plus it helps to add to some actually pretty riveting discussions in a forum topic for once. As far as the overall series. Great stuff. Characters are usually a pretty big deal to me and I feel this series really excelled in that regard. I mean, look at Ringo from the start of the series up to the end. She went through crazy development, from a stalker girl who really only looked out for what she believed could keep HER family together to almost willingly sacrificing herself for her friend. Kanba was more or less shrouded in mystery throughout the series. You never were really sure what he was up to, but by the end it was pretty clear that there is really no one more dedicated to their "sister" than he is. Shouma and Himari were good as well, but I feel the two I went in depth about were the ones to stick the most out to me. Most of the supporting characters were pretty well explored as well, and this is something I really dig about Ikuhara. He definitely gives most characters their due focus. Though I kind of think he dropped the ball a bit on Mario. Also, a shoutout to 1idd0kun and the post about what exactly the apples represent here. To be honest, I've always associated the Apple with the forbidden fruit story and didn't even think that about it being a positive. A lot of scenes definitely make sense looking back. 9/10 |
Ston3_FreeN7Dec 8, 2012 6:13 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I really enjoyed this series the unique use of art style (similar to bakemonogatari), the atmosphere matches the moods, good story telling, great ending. |
| Well, this anime sent me from a crazier ride than I expected. I thought I was going to be completely confused after the ending, but it was easier to digest than I thought. (Maybe seeing so other psychological anime previously prepped me for this?) The production and story were phenomenal, but a few personal beefs with the show prevent me from giving it a perfect 10. However, it's a 9.5 in my head and definitely somewhere on my top 10 overall. Will definitely watch again. |
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| Very good series. I need to get the soundtrack. |
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| Just finished this series (I wanted to cry, but I couldn't :( ), probably going to give it at least an 8/10, any higher will be determined by the answer to this post, although I regret to say that I can't give it a 10 b/c of some unanswered questions of mine, like what the hell was wrong with Mario, questions about Sanetoshi's past, and questions about Kanba's real father, along with various others. I'm not usually picky about plot details, but for this series it just seemed weird to me to leave that kind of stuff out. Anyway, I'm just a little confused about the plot of the series. I get that Kanba shared the fruit with Shouma, who then shared it with Himari, and then in the end it was returned to Kanba, who sacrificed himself for Himari to live, and Shouma paid the price for Ringo changing fate; the world changes so that Kanba and Shouma supposedly never existed, and those two children in the beginning of the series are revealed to be Kanba and Shouma, who seem to be on their way to the next world, and Himari possibly remembers them from the note in the teddy bear. Anyway, I'm just confused about the progression of events. What exactly is the fruit of fate, and what does it do? This might be an unanswerable question, but to anyone who responds, thanks! |
namelessregret said: Besides Shouma sacrificing himself to save Ringo, the ending was indeed kinda terrible. The series was awesome in the first 12 episodes, but after that, it went downhill. Or maybe I am too stupid to get the meaning of all the psychological in this show... Anyway, I would give it a 6/10, but thanks to the diagram posted in the previous page, I will give it a 7/10. Pretty much my feelings as well. |
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| I have no idea of what I just watched 24 episodes of. It made me laugh, cry, and feel fright all at the same time. It's a very simple story, so the added symbolism was a bit much. I love the character design, animation, and seiyuus. And, the character development was awesome! However, there was still something about this anime that kept me from totally enjoying it. I think it's really fucked up that Shouma and Kanba had to pay the price for their parents' sins. And it was even more fucked up that Kanba was meeting with ghosts in what turned out to be a run down ramen shop. I can't give it any more than a 7/10. |
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| This series pissed me off. It's like a more convoluted version of Magica Madoka. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
SomaRukido said: Anyway, I'm just a little confused about the plot of the series. I get that Kanba shared the fruit with Shouma, who then shared it with Himari, and then in the end it was returned to Kanba, who sacrificed himself for Himari to live, and Shouma paid the price for Ringo changing fate; the world changes so that Kanba and Shouma supposedly never existed, and those two children in the beginning of the series are revealed to be Kanba and Shouma, who seem to be on their way to the next world, and Himari possibly remembers them from the note in the teddy bear. Anyway, I'm just confused about the progression of events. What exactly is the fruit of fate, and what does it do? This might be an unanswerable question, but to anyone who responds, thanks! This pretty much sums up everything I'm thinking right now and all of my confusion. I was following along pretty well and then all of that just threw me off and I don't even know what exactly happened there lol. Enjoyed the ride, though. The end was just a bit...unsatisfying to me after ALL OF THAT. |
| Well this was an interesting and somewhat conveluted (scratch that, very conveluted) show. I'm really confused about Sanetoshi's motivations. What were they exactly? Trying to release people from boxes...??? All that I got was that he was the villain, but everything else about him kind of confuzzles me. Despite being very confusing, I think that Penguindrum was overall a fun and unique ride. And the penguins = win. |
| I guess this show clearly demonstrates what happens when you overload a simple story with so much symbolism that any context to create meaning is drowned entirely. The 'child broiler', the apple being the 'fruit of knowledge and love', life being a punishment - all good ideas individually. But too many cooks spoil the broth. Too many loose ends that never were properly tied up. While I reluctantly accept that the events and characters are not supposed to be questioned beyond what is shown, I feel the show lost all of its credibility halfway through the story. Supposedly shocking events made me either laugh or shake my head in disbelief. I was expecting this anime to give justice to its 'psychological'-tag at some point but it was rather doing the opposite. Making not much sense whatsoever. The characters remained one-dimensional throughout (although the majority of forum users seems to have been more occupied with pair 'shipping' ...) Wrapping a story of hate and love towards the world/people into a surreal package doesn't add to its content but rather obscures the narration and yields nothing more but a shiny package. And shiny it was. The animation and especially the soundtrack were excellent. The rest questionable at best. |
VurtoxJan 26, 2013 5:19 PM
quukii said: I'm really confused about Sanetoshi's motivations. What were they exactly? Trying to release people from boxes...??? All that I got was that he was the villain, but everything else about him kind of confuzzles me. The two black rabbits directly stated his motives during the ending theme on episode 23. "I never amounted to anything. No, I finally gained power. I'm going to take my revenge on the world that never needed me. I finally will become visible." and then Sanetoshi himself talks about "destroying the box called 'self'". Basically, he wants to break down the walls between people, and get noticed. Hes willing to do it through destruction since the world never cared about him nor wanted him, and he thinks its the only way. I'm actually pretty disappointed in how shallow his motives were.. |
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kirby_422 said: I'm actually pretty disappointed in how shallow his motives were.. When it comes down to it we could say that for all characters the sole motivation was getting noticed, being loved. - Ringo wanted to get Tabuki's love (in order to replace Momoka), later on she wanted Shouma to notice her. All she ever amounted to was devotion. - Tabuki and Yuri longed for Momoka because she was the first person to love and accept them. All their actions were centered around her. - Masako wanted Kanba to return to her side, his sole attention. - While the Takakura's had each other to establish the feeling of being loved, they still only centered their actions around obsessively retaining the status quo. Undying devotion to Himari in order to keep being loved. |
| I think this show had the potential to be blow your mind amazing. Like absolutely incredible. I feel it needed to be longer though. More time needed to fully flesh out the characters and story. I get what it was trying to do, and it SO nearly got there. This is definitely a 9/10 for me (possible 10/10.. but if it just kind of pushed a bit more it could've been one of the best. Still. Had a good cry. Love to soundtrack. Might try watching it again later to see if I can gain a bit more from it. Waaaah. I wanted this to be incredible. It SO nearly was. |
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