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Apr 3, 2019 10:25 AM
#31
fuyuki said: Imagine seeing adult anime fans from a third-person point of view. Mostly a bunch of weirdos watching little 2d girls, or teens at school, or some tryhard deepshit. Guess I'm in the minority since I often find little girls annoying in anime. |
Apr 3, 2019 10:29 AM
#32
Apr 3, 2019 10:31 AM
#33
because anime is animation, and most people think that anything animation is for children |
Apr 3, 2019 10:43 AM
#34
Because most of anime are shonen and shoujou which are childish (in my point of view), people (non anime watchers) don't know about seinen and josei shows because they aren't popular. |
Apr 3, 2019 10:53 AM
#35
Eh been there done that didnt know shit about anime back then now Im ashamed I thought that... People think anime is childish because it has drawings and they mostly know about Pokemon etc... they basicly dont know a shit about it so just show them boku no pico lol |
Apr 3, 2019 11:40 AM
#36
A lot of people are close-minded and don't even take into consideration the fact that there might be animations for adults. They never watched animations for adults, may never even heard of it, so they assume that animes are same thing as cartoons from Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon since they are more familiarized with them. |
Apr 3, 2019 11:45 AM
#37
Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. This, I remember all the South Park Pokemon episode where the Japanese use it to brainwash the children into turning against America. |
Apr 3, 2019 11:53 AM
#38
Oh boy. Thread No. 3658904958 on this I see |
Apr 3, 2019 2:51 PM
#40
Probably because most anime is aimed at kids, with merchandise etc. Only a small minority is made for adults. |
"This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Apr 3, 2019 3:09 PM
#41
Kazuya7 said: A lot of people are close-minded and don't even take into consideration the fact that there might be animations for adults. They never watched animations for adults, may never even heard of it, so they assume that animes are same thing as cartoons from Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon since they are more familiarized with them. I remember my parents really liked Persepolis. they had not seen anything like it before. Also my dad watched The Wind Rises when it was shown on TV. Most pleasant surprise was when I was at a school. I met there a computer science teacher and mentioned to a kid the film Song of the Sea. She told me her brother was an animator and had worked on the film! |
Apr 3, 2019 5:07 PM
#42
Grizzziff said: Neck beard? nay, full on flaming face bush of maximum man glory. I blame the fan base, while the limited variety statistic does play a role, the fans have a habit of enforcing the childish vibe . All the stereotypical little fan habits, all the overly serious fans arguing to the death over their shows, the format catches the blame for that. It can't be helped, as long as the typical fan behavior is recognized as adults screaming NYAN at a convention, or some grown ass anituber guy singing praises to his waifu, anime will be viewed as childish. I do think that mindset is coming to its end though, I saw a photo of Elon Musk rocking a Kakegurui t-shirt. A few more years and the fan base will be as publicly diverse as the science fiction/superhero genre, and catch less hate as a result. All of this is personal opinion though, as I have no way of proving it. That's a fooking beautiful beard sir. |
Apr 3, 2019 5:20 PM
#43
Jacksen said: Because contrary to popular belief it isn't as popular and admired as you would like to think.Why is anime still seen as childish? Everyone I know makes fun of it until they start watching. Then they seem to really like it lmao. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Apr 3, 2019 5:38 PM
#44
Pullman said: Idk, maybe because its viewers are still too immature to actually confront the people who allegedly have these prejudices when they encounter them, but instead generalize their experiences with them to the rest of humanity and find whining on a message board to be the best way to deal with it? Seriously, what's the point of threads like this? A pat on the shoulder? Most people I know know that anime is not just for children and if your friends think otherwise then you should talk to them about it, ask them why they think what they think, try to change their minds if you really care. Don't ask a bunch of randos who never met these people you're talking about just for affirmation. What good does whining on MAL do you? Why do you think a bunch of strangers on the internet can give more accurate answers than the actual people you're talking about? Why is making threads like this every week such a popular hobby among anime fans? I think they just like their role as the victim of prejudices and reveling in that victimhood is one of the favorite group activities of this community, much more than actually doing anything about it. Maybe if the anime fandom grows the fuck up and starts owning up to their hobby in various ways (like not hiding that they like it like an embarassed child or stopping all the childish, self-deprecation memes á la 'anime is trash and so am I') less people will see anime as being for children, but as long as they behave like children it's not really surprising that perception persists. The biggest perpetuators of prejudices towards anime, are anime fans themselves. ^ I said this but nicer. I hide my anime habits in real life though. Not because I have a shame of anime. I fecking love anime. If a non anime fan, or someone in my circle asks me question about a tshirt, or hat I'm wearing, Ill spread the gospel. It's other anime fans I hide from. In a bar the other night, I was talking anime, WITH A GIRL, zomg right? Then donny the dwellar joined in the conversation and I was reminded why I keep it to myself. This guy seemed chill at first, then what did he do? He asked this lady about controversial shows, and starts arguments. As soon as he started talking Re:zero, I did the universal two taps on the bar to get my tab. If anime fans would stop sucking, this amazing entertainment format would explode. |
Apr 3, 2019 5:45 PM
#45
Apr 3, 2019 7:01 PM
#46
CHC said: Because the community cares too much whether people think it is childish. Only teenagers care so much whether people take them as adult because practically they're not. That's unfair though, because anime is often labelled as childish either way, for reasons that go beyond a few obnoxious teens on the internet. Denying that a certain social preconception exists for animation, and that many activities anime fans indulge in are catalogued as weird and childish, is giving too much power to a random 15-year-old who just wants to appear more mature than he/she is through their tastes and hobbies, like every other teen. Using anime for that is not different from using rock music and yet rock music doesn't quite create this prejudice in a larger scale. |
Apr 3, 2019 7:07 PM
#47
well most people think anime is for kids because its drawn, and probably the only kind of anime they have ever seen is shounen and they were pushed away by all the screaming and power of friendship. if you want to change someone's mind about it just show them berserk or eva, i doubt they will ever say its for kids after that |
Apr 3, 2019 7:55 PM
#48
jal90 said: CHC said: Because the community cares too much whether people think it is childish. Only teenagers care so much whether people take them as adult because practically they're not. That's unfair though, because anime is often labelled as childish either way, for reasons that go beyond a few obnoxious teens on the internet. Denying that a certain social preconception exists for animation, and that many activities anime fans indulge in are catalogued as weird and childish, is giving too much power to a random 15-year-old who just wants to appear more mature than he/she is through their tastes and hobbies, like every other teen. Using anime for that is not different from using rock music and yet rock music doesn't quite create this prejudice in a larger scale. What you said is right but I didn't really mean to comment on the cause of the public perception of anime. What I actually meant is "don't care about how other people think of your hobbies if you think you're mature." When I was 16 I was into poetry and literature and I was thought to be a pretentious weirdos by other kids in my class. Is poetry a childish thing? No. Is it inherently a pretentious weirdo's hobby? No. Even something that has a prestigious status in high culture is not going to be viewed highly amongst teens. It's just how the world of teenagers operate. If you're frustrated about how they think of you hobbies, just don't talk about that with them and you'll be OK. When you get into a college and when you get to work, no one really cares about your hobbies unless they're also interested in what you're interested. And to be honest I think there's just nothing wrong about an adult watching a show for kids. Most Ghibli's movies are for kids. Some of the best TV anime production is for kids (Sailor Moon, Doraemon, Shin-chan, Komocha, etc.) Personally I love kid show when they're well done. I feel nothing about anime being labelled as kiddy, because even the more "mature" shows do in fact usually target a rather young audience (12-22). The label is not entirely untrue. I've friends in their 30s who are casual viewers have no problem with telling everyone that they're fans of Doraemon, Cells at Work, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc. The problem is whether you're mature enough to have no shame in enjoying kiddy fun. It's easy to act all solemn, edgy and "mature". But as Picasso said, "it takes a long time to grow young." |
Apr 3, 2019 9:28 PM
#49
silversaint said: from what ive seen so far anime is for the most part childish (WARNING! use of improper Grammer, viewers discretion is advised) I agree, out of tens of thousands of anime if u could name even 100 such anime then to it will be 1% and most of these so-called adult anime uses violence, dark and controversial themes but they do not seem to understand making something dark does not make it proper. Following are the thing which i find childish/immature:- 1. Characters casually talking about their belief in between a serious fight. (Eg: Villan being op defeats mc multiple times Villan: "Haa-Haa-Haaa give up u cannot defeat me bla..bla..bla... MC: i know ...i know that i cannot defeat you but bla..bla..bla....and that is what i believe so bla..bla..bla X4.. ) The above example may seem to be a bit over exaggeration still this is what basically happens all the time--if u catch my drift. 2.Facial expression used in most of these anime does not match with the situation and the cheracter.U might have came across these type of scenes where a person is being chased with his child and then the person lets his/her kid escape while watching guards/grp of people execute their parent during their final moments they are like smiling and saying something to assure their kid that they would be fine... Wtf? That is not how a person reacts knowing they are about to die and their child might be dead too i mean they would be terrified. Enough said. (i do enjoy anime, manga... Etc but i do believe it is childish) |
Berserker999Apr 3, 2019 9:32 PM
Apr 3, 2019 10:11 PM
#50
Because the most popular anime is usually pretty childish. The big-name shonen shit like BnHA, DBZ, Naruto, One Piece (as well as actual kids shows like Pokemon and Sailor Moon) is what the public is mostly familiar with as "anime", and that stuff is written for young teenagers, from manga that sells to young teenagers. Not saying that stuff is all completely worthless, but it isn't 'Crime and Punishment' or 'Notes From the Underground' either. Even though good quality anime, written for adults exists, it's pretty niche, even inside the anime fandom. Even the biggest successes of anime legitimately made for adults, like say Tatami Galaxy, or Monster, or Satoshi Kon's films, are all dwarfed by the thousands of titles which, especially to an outsider, are easily dismessed as adolescent crap, because they're full of high school drama, spiky-haired kids in goofy clothes saving the world, endless obsession about super-powers, magic and fantasy worlds- all things associated with kids/adolescents much more than with adults. Shit- look at MAL's 'top anime' list. Almost all titles in the top 25 have the majority characters teens or younger (idk the exact ages of LotGH MCs, or 3 Gatsu no Lion, but the general trend is clear regardless); you have to get down to number 25 til you find titles with a mostly adult cast/MCs (Cowboy Bebop, Mushishi, Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju), and those titles are still a pretty small minority, no matter how far down the list you go. tl;dtr because anime fans generally like childish shit more than they like adult shit |
Apr 4, 2019 2:02 PM
#51
Because anime is mostly for kids.... |
Apr 4, 2019 2:23 PM
#52
If anybody says this sort of thing to me, I will tell them to see Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne first before making this assumption that they're childish and flip them off. That will completely change their view of anime. |
“I will leave this city and go to another one. I hope that I will meet someone. Someone just for me. But if that special someone falls in love with me I will have to leave that someone. Even so, I want to meet that special someone. This is what I think as I leave the city with no people." - Chii (Chobits) |
Apr 4, 2019 2:26 PM
#53
Apr 4, 2019 2:35 PM
#54
lol at people giving false impresions about anime to their casual acquaintances to hide their insecurity about watching chinese cartoons recommending adult anime to those people wont change the fact that anime is mostly for kids via demographics and most profitable ones being the kiddy ones |
Apr 4, 2019 2:38 PM
#55
Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. Pretty much, though it was more like 1997-2011 for being really big, when shows were airing lots of anime on multiple TV stations then it dropped off. But a lot of those people kept watching through the internet and DVDs/BDs, converting other people, and having kids who watch anime so it is more widely known than before. I think the hobby is still in niche territory though. |
Apr 4, 2019 2:39 PM
#56
cuz normies will be normies and the less you care the less it'll bug you |
Apr 4, 2019 2:52 PM
#57
Kruszer said: Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. Pretty much, though it was more like 1997-2011 for being really big, when shows were airing lots of anime on multiple TV stations then it dropped off. But a lot of those people kept watching through the internet and DVDs/BDs, converting other people, and having kids who watch anime so it is more widely known than before. I think the hobby is still in niche territory though. It depends on the country. America has its own animation industry so they didn't really have to import that much anime but some countries imported a good deal of anime because they were cheaper than American cartoons. In Europe France comes to mind. They even made a live action City Hunter movie recently. I don't think many Americans know the existence of City Hunter except hardcore fans. Latin American and Asian countries too got anime. Now there are not that many anime on TV I guess. In my country only the last season of Captain Tsubasa airs on Cartoon Network other than that I haven't seen any since Bakugan which was insanely popular too. |
Apr 4, 2019 3:04 PM
#58
They are considered to be teenish not childish, because the majority of the protagonists are teenaged. |
ZarutakuApr 4, 2019 3:10 PM
*kappa* |
Apr 4, 2019 3:47 PM
#59
cevat24 said: Kruszer said: Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. Pretty much, though it was more like 1997-2011 for being really big, when shows were airing lots of anime on multiple TV stations then it dropped off. But a lot of those people kept watching through the internet and DVDs/BDs, converting other people, and having kids who watch anime so it is more widely known than before. I think the hobby is still in niche territory though. It depends on the country. America has its own animation industry so they didn't really have to import that much anime but some countries imported a good deal of anime because they were cheaper than American cartoons. In Europe France comes to mind. They even made a live action City Hunter movie recently. I don't think many Americans know the existence of City Hunter except hardcore fans. Latin American and Asian countries too got anime. Now there are not that many anime on TV I guess. In my country only the last season of Captain Tsubasa airs on Cartoon Network other than that I haven't seen any since Bakugan which was insanely popular too. City Hunter was released here but it was a long time ago and it's out of print I think. I haven't seen it but I've seen Angel Heart which is like it's unofficial sequel. |
Apr 4, 2019 3:59 PM
#60
Kruszer said: cevat24 said: Kruszer said: Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. Pretty much, though it was more like 1997-2011 for being really big, when shows were airing lots of anime on multiple TV stations then it dropped off. But a lot of those people kept watching through the internet and DVDs/BDs, converting other people, and having kids who watch anime so it is more widely known than before. I think the hobby is still in niche territory though. It depends on the country. America has its own animation industry so they didn't really have to import that much anime but some countries imported a good deal of anime because they were cheaper than American cartoons. In Europe France comes to mind. They even made a live action City Hunter movie recently. I don't think many Americans know the existence of City Hunter except hardcore fans. Latin American and Asian countries too got anime. Now there are not that many anime on TV I guess. In my country only the last season of Captain Tsubasa airs on Cartoon Network other than that I haven't seen any since Bakugan which was insanely popular too. City Hunter was released here but it was a long time ago and it's out of print I think. I haven't seen it but I've seen Angel Heart which is like it's unofficial sequel. After looking at your list I feel like a newbie but anyway I think you should check out City Hunter it's one of the best anime from the 80s imo. It has a pretty kickass soundtrack too. |
Apr 4, 2019 4:38 PM
#61
cevat24 said: Kruszer said: cevat24 said: Kruszer said: Coach_Koro said: Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but anime's mainstream western popularity peaked in the late 90's with shows like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yugioh which are generally aimed at a younger audience. It's possible that that period shaped people's perception of anime and still affects it today. Pretty much, though it was more like 1997-2011 for being really big, when shows were airing lots of anime on multiple TV stations then it dropped off. But a lot of those people kept watching through the internet and DVDs/BDs, converting other people, and having kids who watch anime so it is more widely known than before. I think the hobby is still in niche territory though. It depends on the country. America has its own animation industry so they didn't really have to import that much anime but some countries imported a good deal of anime because they were cheaper than American cartoons. In Europe France comes to mind. They even made a live action City Hunter movie recently. I don't think many Americans know the existence of City Hunter except hardcore fans. Latin American and Asian countries too got anime. Now there are not that many anime on TV I guess. In my country only the last season of Captain Tsubasa airs on Cartoon Network other than that I haven't seen any since Bakugan which was insanely popular too. City Hunter was released here but it was a long time ago and it's out of print I think. I haven't seen it but I've seen Angel Heart which is like it's unofficial sequel. After looking at your list I feel like a newbie but anyway I think you should check out City Hunter it's one of the best anime from the 80s imo. It has a pretty kickass soundtrack too. I might, but 140 episodes plus various movies and specials is a long haul for me. I usually go for the shorter stuff. |
Apr 4, 2019 6:30 PM
#62
Probably because the majority of the anime community itself is childish and set bad examples for the medium. Also, every other anime's cast of characters are of children or early-mid teens. |
EvildoerApr 4, 2019 6:34 PM
Apr 4, 2019 6:47 PM
#63
Because they’re cartoons, especially in the US cartoons are seen as something immature. I mean really the onl popular animation we get here are children’s shows and shit like family guy, which is sad because it’s such a diverse and beautiful medium that Japan has fully utilized. Also a lot of popular anime tend to be somewhat childish, part of their success is that they appeal to anyone regardless of age (DBZ, pokemon, sailor moon, etc) |
Apr 4, 2019 7:29 PM
#64
Probaby because they've only watched popular Shounen anime or have had no experience with anime at all. Simply put, they don't know shit about anime. And to those people, animation = cartoon which = shows for children. *ah also, it may be gaining popularity, but most of the new fans only watch anime every once and a while, and when they do watch anime they watch shows like My Hero Academia, OPM, and Tokyo Ghoul. Even if they watch those and Attack on Titan it won't show them how mature anime can be. I'd say anime is not admired as you think, however it is gaining popularity, the shounen genre especially. |
EhtaApr 4, 2019 7:35 PM
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Apr 5, 2019 7:43 AM
#65
Why do you care so much? People will continue to say anime is for children, so stop bitching about it. Stop caring about what other people think. |
Apr 5, 2019 7:52 AM
#66
Actually, now I rarely hear that anime is for kids. Maybe people around me are just more open-minded or something, but most of them saw a couple of animes themselves and they liked it, so they are not making fun of it anyway. But yeah, as many people have mentioned, they are probably thinking of the common titles like Pokemon or Naruto which are actually aimed at younger audience. |
Apr 5, 2019 8:24 AM
#67
Anything that looks Cartoonist are gonna get treated as for children, heck if you only show the Poster for Rick and Morty or the Simpsons then they are gonna think its still for children, not knowing its true contents. |
Apr 5, 2019 8:38 AM
#68
Guess because it's related to cartoons in the West, and cartoons = equal childish. Also, anyone who doesn't watch anime thinks that anime = hentai. Tons of people, especially in secondary school, think it's weird. |
Apr 5, 2019 5:14 PM
#69
Probably because the majority of main stream popular anime are for kids such as shows like MHA and Naruto. If people want to see anime taken more seriously and less childish then they should start recommending people more mature shows that adults could actually enjoy. |
Apr 5, 2019 6:42 PM
#70
This isn't the 2000s, If anything Anime elitist weebs tend to shit on western shows more than the other side does. |
Apr 5, 2019 7:17 PM
#71
It's pretty funny. Some people I know think of it as just porn while others think of it as for kids. I'd have to imagine that the side that thinks it's just porn don't know that some of the shows that air on Disney XD are anime. Meanwhile, I'm quite confident that people who treat them like kids cartoons probably don't watch it in the first place and only know about the ones that air on primetime TV which are indeed made targeting children. |
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