Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season Part 2 Episode 2 Discussion

mczprk said:
Holy shit this episode was T-R-A-S-H

Garfiel's voice is already pissing me off, Emilia is a whiny little bitch that cries in every episode, and Subaru saying "I love you" for 15 minutes was tiresome, cringe, and the dialogue was just overall lazy and trash. The kiss was completely out of place as well, felt forced.

Worst Re:Zero episode ever.

SatouMatsuzaka said:


I'm a Rem fan and loved the episode lol, just because we favor one character doesn't mean we hate the show.

Vooo said:
2/5 - keeps dragging. Otto's backstory was the saving grace. The lovers bickering is getting stale.

Would love to see Garfiel get beheaded or torn to shreds.

Romores said:
I rewatched the dialogue multiple times, and I think I understood what doesn't click with me with the whole Subaru x Emilia scene.

In S1E18, Rem showed Subaru that he has qualities that he didn't realize he had, and that the reason she wants to be with him is to make his real personality shine.

In this case, I got the feeling that Subaru is trying really hard not only to convince Emilia, but also himself about the fact that he's going to love a person that might be completely different from the one he learned to love until now. I felt his dialogue as manipulatory (albeit unknowingly and in good faith), but not only for Emilia, but also for himself.

I know that this puts me in the minority, but that's really what I felt during their dialogue. I didn't get an healthy feeling from his speech, but only the words of a boy willing to make a very important promise to a person who doesn't even know herself anymore, and who might turn out to be very different from what both think she is.

I can only hope that the reason why he broke the promise is the actual missing piece that gives a sense to everything.

Resus-2 said:


I know you didn't asked me but allow me to respond.

She's Makise Kurisu, a main character from Steins;Gate, one of the best anime around.

mczprk said:


Yeah, I agree about Emilia. I think she's annoying but as I said in another reply this was probably her most justified cry in the series. But then Subaru keeps replying with "I love you" for 10 minutes and "your height is perfect.", cmon. Then he forces a kiss while she's bawling and everything turns out ok? So forced, so out of place.

V_2021 said:



Hey, just wanted to have your take on whether Subaru's love for Emilia is legit or not. Further down the thread ppl do not like S+E and never have because of that aspect. I personally think that the majority of this was addressed in season one when Subaru was acting out during the election. Emilia called him out for being selfish and Subaru took that to heart and really improved after that. But at the same time in this current ep he still objectifies (liking her for superficial reasons) her and she calls him out with the whole "Im not a doll" line. Really want to see Mother's Basement's analysis for this ep and others as well.

SparkleDuck said:
It felt like they didn't know how to write a romance at all and the only people who I assume would consider this a good romantic scene are the kinds of weebs with no love life at all.

9Vincent9 said:
Subaru finally realizes what that means and applies it in this particular situation, The side he's seen of Emilia, he's confident that her memories coming back would not change her as a person, Because he loves her, Because he believes in her.
Who she is now is does matter.

9Vincent9 said:



it's one thing if you didn't understand the scene yourself or didn't like how it was presented but to insult others who are praising it?

not a good look on your part

Mich666 said:

The real problem here is - does she really feel the same? Wouldn't you want to kiss someone who has affection for you so your kiss is act of mutual feelings? No matter what Subaru believes in, he kept evading her doubts by the same answer all over again, selfishly showing her his naked heart but evading her own in the process.

Let's not forget he spent there weeks, months or even a year in his struggle but for Emilia, it wasn't that long afterall. He may know every corner of her existince but she didn't even saw him grow. Echidna and readers/viewers are the only ones who has that privillege.

Mich666 said:
Dunno, his reasoning was pretty stupid if I'm being honest, he just kept repeating the same and force to convince her, even though he kept evading the most important question (which is there only to keep readers/viewers' attention aka plot device). Really, how can he be so hypocrite to believe she will trust him when he's withelding the answer why he broke their promise in the first place? Where is the mutual trust in there? I wouldn't call that love, only overflowing lust from his side.

The actual kiss and the situation leading to it was pretty good I would say (I guessed it five minutes before so the build-up was done well) and I applaud that the writer had balls for his MC to kiss main heroine at this time but whole scene still felt a bit weird because it felt like his arguments weren't really reaching her.

We can't even argue that Emilia doesn't know what love is as she had that thing with Puck (and her mom before... probably). And that's exactly why the whole thing was really one-sided backed by literally no arguments from Subaru's side.

Imagine someone betrayed you when you needed the the most, then your best friend died and then he came back exploiting your temporary weakness - even if he did that for her sake in the long run, it's still pretty questionable thing to do and it certainly didn't felt like an accomplishment for me (in fact, if there was an intention for that kiss, it's even worse). Think about it for a bit - he basically used her for his own goal and pushed his ideals of how things should end on her.

I'm not saying this don't happen IRL but in this story I really hope she will get back at him for doing this. Would be actually great writing if this scene was actually intended to provoke such viewers' feeling but I'm not really sure that's the case here. I mean, in comparison with godly confession with Rem in the first season where their carefully crafted dialogue lasted for whole episode, this felt kinda underwhelming in the end.

Mich666 said:

The real problem here is - does she really feel the same? Wouldn't you want to kiss someone who has affection for you so your kiss is act of mutual feelings? No matter what Subaru believes in, he kept evading her doubts by the same answer all over again, selfishly showing her his naked heart but evading her own in the process.

Let's not forget he spent there weeks, months or even a year in his struggle but for Emilia, it wasn't that long afterall. He may know every corner of her existince but she didn't even saw him grow. Echidna and readers/viewers are the only ones who has that privillege.

SparkleDuck said:
Well, of course I'd question people who are praising "romance" where a dude is pushing a woman who is clearly going through emotional trauma and then forcing a kiss lol. Not only is it bad writing but the dialogue from Subaru is exhausting to read and also cringy to witness because it not only feels like he's forcing himself on a woman but also doesn't have any self awareness. I don't question anybody who likes the animation or anything though, just people who would call this peak romance or something. If anything it just comes across as a guy who doesn't understand boundaries, how to compliment a woman, or how to express himself in a healthy way coming onto a woman who he's suffered for. If that's your jam then great!



You get it. Apologies for insulting people praising it, I just don't understand people relating or looking up to it

ProofByColor said:
Subaru here macking out in his confession while Otto risking his life talking to bugs and shit.

Primo_Itoko said:
Begining of Season One waifu: Emilia
End of Season One waifu (for some people): Rem
Begining of Season Two part 1 waifu: Echidona
End of Season Two part 1 waifu: Satella
Begining of Season Two part 2 waifu: Otto
End of Season Two part 2 waifu: ???

Mich666 said:

The real problem here is - does she really feel the same? Wouldn't you want to kiss someone who has affection for you so your kiss is act of mutual feelings? No matter what Subaru believes in, he kept evading her doubts by the same answer all over again, selfishly showing her his naked heart but evading her own in the process.

9Vincent9 said:





is being honest now considered stupid? it's the same thing as Rem did, kept talking about how much she loved him yet Subaru kept replying in anger that her expectations of him were misguided, she doesn't know about his failures, she doesn't know how pathetic he can be.

He kept evading the question because there are plenty of reasons behind it, Reasons that can't be shared inside the sanctuary while his friends are out there putting their lives on the line.



> Really, how can he be so hypocrite to believe she will trust him when he's withelding the answer why he broke their promise in the first place

By his other actions of putting his life on the line in trying to save her multiple times??

He literally makes that point in the argument.

He's always been there for Emilia, despite breaking a promise this time round for VALID reasons

m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
The final nail in Team Rem's coffin.

Winter_Fox said:
Subaru is a 14 year old neet and emilia never been loved by anyone else before, so ofc they're dialoge is childish (is intented to) altough the scene looks awkward, we can see that Subaru try really hard to convey his love for emilia, the message still delivers. Good episode.

m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
The final nail in Team Rem's coffin.

ExcaliburAO said:

No Subaru is 17 and Emilia's mental age is 14.