My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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But there is someone who solved those problems, although there are unavoidable task that need all the club member's participation. The obvious conclusion stands out... 1st 4th 5th 6th 8th b You can try to include the two again, but no. For all their efforts at those problems only Hachiman has made a solution, Good or Bad. (They have all the info regarding the requests not including 8thB because Hachiman deduces it because off his xp) |
testamentKAISERApr 20, 2015 11:01 AM
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testamentKAISER said: But there is someone who solved those problems, although there are unavoidable task that need all the club member's participation. The obvious conclusion stands out... 1st 4th 5th 6th 8th b You can try to include the two again, but no. For all their efforts at those problems only Hachiman has made a solution, Good or Bad. (They have all the info regarding the requests not including 8thB because Hachiman deduces it because off his xp) You would be right, except that solving problems/fulfilling requests is not the Service Club's ultimate goal. The Service club's goal is to help people improve themselves. According to this, none of Hachiman's solutions help these people improve themselves (except for Saki). FriedfingersJohn said: EuTenhoBomGosto said: I don't get what's the drama behind all this, literally nothing happened and Yukinoshita is all angry i think you don't even understand the story then. hikki contradicts himself when he save superficial relationships of hayama's group during ep 2. he hates superficiality by passion and yet he sacrifice himself for that. and i think yukinoshita's upset because hikki keeps hurting himself for the sake of someone who's not even worth for it. hikki doesn't think about feelings of people who care about him (the teacher, his friends, his sister). his method is wrong and hiratsuka, yui, yukinoshita know about it. Let's get something straight here. Nobody actually knows why Yukino is angry at Hachiman, we only have theories. That being said, the theory that Yukino is angry at Hachiman because she hates to see him hurt himself is definitely wrong for two reasons: 1) When Hachiman victimized himself in order to turn Sagami into a victim, Yukino didn't get angry. 2) In no way did Hachiman hurt himself when he fake-confessed to Ebina, because, well, it was a fake confession. |
FawkeyApr 20, 2015 11:52 AM
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Fawkey said: Nobody actually knows why Yukino is angry at Hachiman, we only have theories. That being said, the theory that Yukino is angry at Hachiman because she hates to see him hurt himself is definitely wrong for two reasons: 1) When Hachiman victimized himself in order to turn Sagami into a victim, Yukino didn't get angry. 2) In no way did Hachiman hurt himself when he fake-confessed to Ebina, because, well, it was a fake confession. First I wanna say I love SNAFU fans, they are hardcore. I enjoyed reading this thread more than watching the S2 so far. I agree with the quote above more than anything. I don't see how Hachi could be "so hurt" by others opinions when we spent the entire first season learning how Hachi doesn't care about others opinions. Neither does Yukino, who continued to tease him about it in episode 12 of S1. Now Hiratsuka-sensei makes it obvious that IS the problem with lines like, "you need to realize that when you hurt yourself, you hurt others that care about you." But they aren't making it feel that way from the anime viewer's perspective. It's too much of a change too quickly. Here's a thought I haven't read yet. Perhaps the real problem is Hachi's fake "confession" sparked a jealous desire in Yukino and Yui in the back of their minds, thinking, "I want a real confession from him for myself." And that scene at the end of the OP is foreshadowing to the battle for Hachi's heart! Yukino vs Yui! FIGHT!! ............................. also that OP is wack compared to the first, I thought the first OP was great. |
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Mormegil said: Am I the only one bored to death by this season? Yes. If you're bored you should stop watching it because it's gonna be like this throughout. Same advice to the guy above. For me it's fucking high tension and interesting. I love reading people's theories here as well. |
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Alleyezonanime said: Guys ive Decided to read the manga but i dont know where season 2 starts also can someone tell me where i can find the manga online?? sites like mangafox seem to have only a few volumes Read the LN instead. The manga is still far behind (around episode 4 of season 1) |
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Mormegil said: Hmmm..probably not. But you're likely in the minority, if episode polls are anything to go by. Am I the only one bored to death by this season? I agree with the quote above more than anything. I don't see how Hachi could be "so hurt" by others opinions when we spent the entire first season learning how Hachi doesn't care about others opinions. Neither does Yukino, who continued to tease him about it in episode 12 of S1. Now Hiratsuka-sensei makes it obvious that IS the problem with lines like, "you need to realize that when you hurt yourself, you hurt others that care about you." But they aren't making it feel that way from the anime viewer's perspective. It's too much of a change too quickly. We were given solid demonstrations of reason for Yukino's deeds.. If you want an exposition or monologue spoon feeding you everything, anime or any visual medium for that matter, is the wrong place to look for it. 1) Many times we have expanded on why and how this is fundamentally different from the case with Sagami. Oh shoot, I'll do it again. I love doing this. In order to extract a proper solution to Sagami's problem, Hikigaya shoved every harsh truth about her situation and motivations to her damn face. He could always have took Hayama's route and used honey layered words to bring her back. But he stuck to who he is and tried to expose her to what is, to some extend, an objective evaluation, something that allowed her a chance at self introspection in the future. Hayama's method was only concerned with immediate and superficial results, but Hikigaya gave Sagami an opportunity to question herself and change for the better; he helped her to help herself, in a way. More importantly, both with Sagami, Rumi and during that counsel committee thingy, there were clear cut visual cues and fleeting shots to show us that he is not unaffected as he wants us to think he is. 2) The point is not that Hikigaya hurt himself with it. The point is that he compromised everything he stood for before. At least that is the problem with Yukinoshita. Considering everything about her personality, it is very much consistent for her character. With Yui Deiger said: Yui's problem is a lot more obvious. She is both disturbed at his compulsive need to put himself on the chopping board (it should be noted that her first encounter with Hikki was with him jumping in front of a damn car to save her dog, so she most certainly has reason to think this tendency will escalate if she were to let it be) and the fact that he confessed to another girl. First I wanna say I love SNAFU fans, they are hardcore. I enjoyed reading this thread more than watching the S2 so far. I also love how people like you are acting all smug and exasperated as if all of us who analyse the show are just drawing conclusions from vacuum for justifying the show. Especially when we have provided reasons for our case and the consistency of it with regard to rest of the show and all you have are responses that rely on other posts while deliberately dismissing the views of the show's fans, most of which address much of your gripes with the show and provide reasonable explanations for them. |
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Deiger1111 said: First I wanna say I love SNAFU fans, they are hardcore. I enjoyed reading this thread more than watching the S2 so far. I also love how people like you are acting all smug and exasperated as if all of us who analyse the show are just drawing conclusions from vacuum for justifying the show. Especially when we have provided reasons for our case and the consistency of it with regard to rest of the show and all you have are responses that rely on other posts while deliberately dismissing the views of the show's fans, most of which address much of your gripes with the show and provide reasonable explanations for them.Uhmm, I don't think he meant that in a bad way... |
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Fawkey said: testamentKAISER said: But there is someone who solved those problems, although there are unavoidable task that need all the club member's participation. The obvious conclusion stands out... 1st 4th 5th 6th 8th b You can try to include the two again, but no. For all their efforts at those problems only Hachiman has made a solution, Good or Bad. (They have all the info regarding the requests not including 8thB because Hachiman deduces it because off his xp) You would be right, except that solving problems/fulfilling requests is not the Service Club's ultimate goal. The Service club's goal is to help people improve themselves. According to this, none of Hachiman's solutions help these people improve themselves (except for Saki). "Ultimate goal"? Where did you get that? That improving thing is just a part of it. Solving problems and fulfilling requests is the Service Club main job. If the client is satisfied then it is done. |
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testamentKAISER said: Fawkey said: You would be right, except that solving problems/fulfilling requests is not the Service Club's ultimate goal. The Service club's goal is to help people improve themselves. According to this, none of Hachiman's solutions help these people improve themselves (except for Saki). "Ultimate goal"? Where did you get that? That improving thing is just a part of it. Solving problems and fulfilling requests is the Service Club main job. If the client is satisfied then it is done. As far as we know, Yukino is both the founder and the leader leader of the club. She alone decides what its goals and policies are. "Those who are blessed give to those who are less fortunate out of the goodness of their hearts. People call this 'community service'. To reach out and help those who are in need. That is what this club does." and also "No, the service Club only helps them grant their wishes themselves. We do not give a starving man a fish. We teach him how to fish and make him independent. " from episode 1, season 1. |
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| This episode was tense. 8man don't do Komachi like that lol. Haruno, I like her. Yui doesn't want Hachiman to do reckless stuff again. As for Yukinon: Deiger1111 said: Her axe to grind is how Hikki compromised his stuck in stone ideals of brutal honesty and dislike of pretences for Hayama's clique. +1 |
PhinalPhlashApr 21, 2015 2:21 PM
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zeimaela said: where can i read latest chapter of yahari? Kyakka Type it on google 10.5 is the latest. And volume 11 is coming soon. (^_^)/ |
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| Not sure I like how they changed the scene at the restaurant. Specifically, I could hardly recognize Haruno now that her face has become so generically plain... That's not a good sign. I really liked how they animated her in Season 1. That said, given this was done entirely from Hachiman's perspective, I was expecting his recollections of his bullying from middle school to be way harsher and way more dark than what they showed this episode. Glossing over all of that kind of took away from the overall atmosphere of the story, and just ended up making it a "who can insult Hachiman more" competition between Haruno and Kaori. Sure it made Hachiman seem pathetic, but somehow it didn't work here. I got the feeling that Hachiman was still hooked up on Kaori, which was not the message that I assume they were trying to present (it should have been how he's become so cynical after all the bullshit that he experienced back then, and how it still traumatizes him). I also felt like the scene with Hayato kind of made implications that it shouldn't have. Personally I didn't like how it felt like Hayato was pining for Haruno and was actually jealous of her teasing/approval of Hachiman's no-bullshit character. Made me hate Hayato's character all the more (considering his superficial lifestyle was always his own choice). Not having as many inner monologues is killing Hachiman's character for me here. Somehow it feels like the first three episodes, I'm watching an entirely bland character here. Still, it's true that the tension from the argument that Yukino had with Hachi was distinctly palpable here, and I kind of get the feeling that neither party are really helping Iroha as much as they are able to. Thus far I've not had any issues with Iroha's character either. Not quite understanding all the hate for her here. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Agreed. She doesn't seem at all like someone so above and beyond everyone that blows even Yukino's perfection out of the water. Not sure I like how they changed the scene at the restaurant. Specifically, I could hardly recognize Haruno now that her face has become so generically plain... That's not a good sign. I really liked how they animated her in Season 1. just ended up making it a "who can insult Hachiman more" competition between Haruno and Kaori. Sure it made Hachiman seem pathetic, but somehow it didn't work here. I got the feeling that Hachiman was still hooked up on Kaori, which was not the message that I assume they were trying to present (it should have been how he's become so cynical after all the bullshit that he experienced back then, and how it still traumatizes him). I disagree, but that is just a difference in perspective. I personally don't think Kaori was actively trying to have a go at him here. She's oblivious to how her words affect Hikigaya, the whole 'I did talk to you' makes this evident. To her, what little they did talk did not have even a modicum of the significance it had to Hikigaya. That is far more emotionally traumatizing for a person compared to someone out to hoodwink, insult and slander you (since that would mean they could revel in how unfairly they're treated, in this case, the fault lies only with how presumptuous Hikkigaya was)Not having as many inner monologues is killing Hachiman's character for me here. Somehow it feels like the first three episodes, I'm watching an entirely bland character here. |
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EuTenhoBomGosto said: I don't get what's the drama behind all this, literally nothing happened and Yukinoshita is all angry Because everyone wants to act like a smarty pants that knows how these characters act, or probably because they want to add MORE drama into it. |
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Jonesy974 said: I literally hate every girl in this show. I don't like yaoi but fully ship Hiki and Totsuka. Yukino - Bitch. Shits on Hachiman all the time. Yui - Annoying. Basically the female Hayato. Acts nice but still doesn't think twice about insulting Hachiman. Komachi - So annoying and pushy I want to kill myself every time I see her. Shizuka - Bitch. Basically chain-smoking older Yukino. Haruno - Superficial bitch. Super fucking annoying. Saki - She was a stuck up bitch during her minimal time in S1. Ebina/Yumiko/All side girls - Annoying. Superficial. Manipulative. Crass. Hayato - Basically a girl, since he's the biggest pussy I've ever seen. Totsuka is literally THE ONLY person who is 100% consistently nice to Hachiman no matter the situation. Hachiman got fucked over at the end of S1? Totsuka was there to lean on. Hiki got ripped on by his "friends" after the trip? Totsuka offers up a warm smile and hello. If Totsuka ever gets annoyed and Hachiman and says something rude to him. I'm gonna lose my shit. I'll have nowhere left to turn for comfort. Best. Fucking. Man. 8Man. Keep fighting the good fight. You are literally doing nothing wrong. And not only do the other scrubs not have any alternatives, then they ride your ass despite solving all the problems. EDIT: I also see a lot of people who are siding with Yukino and bashing 8man. They're saying that Yukino was right because Hachiman is going against everything he stood for by being a liar and helping Hayato's superficial relationship. An calling Hachiman wrong for being a liar. It seems like you all are forgetting about Ebina. Her request was to Hachiman specifically and she told him she didn't want Tobe to get the chance to confess to her. So while Hachiman shouting the fake confession seemed superficial since it protected Hayato's group, it was also most direct (and really only) approach to stop Tobe from finishing his confession, therefore fulfilling his request to Ebina. And Ebina even knew that the confession was fake after they talked the next day. So basically it's once again everyone getting mad at Hiki when he was busy solving problems that nobody else even knew about nor would have had a solution to. Hachiman could clearly not give 2 fucks about Hayato, but since he had the opportunity to take out 2 birds with 1 stone he jumped on it. Can you blame them? most of the people here especially the LN readers treats Yukino like their Goddess or aka by otaku terms=Waifu material so yeah Yukino is perfect while everyone is not lol |
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SansrivaaL said: Dunno where you're getting your facts from lolCan you blame them? most of the people here especially the LN readers treats Yukino like their Goddess or aka by otaku terms=Waifu material so yeah Yukino is perfect while everyone is not lol Looks to me like everyone is either mad at Yukino since she's a bitch or being pretty impartial and saying Yukino isn't really right but not completely wrong either. another one of the damn anti critiques bunch geez.. |
Terapin said: SansrivaaL said: Dunno where you're getting your facts from lolCan you blame them? most of the people here especially the LN readers treats Yukino like their Goddess or aka by otaku terms=Waifu material so yeah Yukino is perfect while everyone is not lol Looks to me like everyone is either mad at Yukino since she's a bitch or being pretty impartial and saying Yukino isn't really right but not completely wrong either. another one of the damn anti critiques bunch geez.. I did say ''MOST'' not everyone, its basically an opinion, did I ever say it was a fact? unless you took it way too seriously (which is obvious) |
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SansrivaaL said: Most is still a bold generalization.Terapin said: Dunno where you're getting your facts from lol Looks to me like everyone is either mad at Yukino since she's a bitch or being pretty impartial and saying Yukino isn't really right but not completely wrong either. another one of the damn anti critiques bunch geez.. I did say ''MOST'' not everyone, its basically an opinion, did I ever say it was a fact? unless you took it way too seriously (which is obvious) unless you took it way too seriously (which is obvious) so you can freely generalize a whole bunch of people to a negative light as a joke, but having a stand against that is 'taking things too seriously'. Talk about hypocrisy. Or are you perhaps implying that something being an opinion intrinsically exempts it from criticism? Anti-Semitism, racism and sexism are also opinions. People who say Yukino is a bitch are the ones that are looking for waifu material in her. Those people can't stand the main character whose role they project themselves into be criticized by a woman since you know, anime girls should be innocent and virgins and with unanimous belief in the mc's goodness even if they hit him in the head and physically abuse him on something of an hourly basis. Oh man, I almost missed it. Here's my amnesty for a hypocritical generalization. This is IMHO. |
TerapinApr 24, 2015 5:26 AM
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Terapin said: SansrivaaL said: Most is still a bold generalization.I did say ''MOST'' not everyone, its basically an opinion, did I ever say it was a fact? unless you took it way too seriously (which is obvious) unless you took it way too seriously (which is obvious) so you can freely generalize a whole bunch of people to a negative light as a joke, but having a stand against that is 'taking things too seriously'. Talk about hypocrisy. Or are you perhaps implying that something being an opinion intrinsically exempts it from criticism? Anti-Semitism, racism and sexism are also opinions. People who say Yukino is a bitch are the ones that are looking for waifu material in her. Those people can't stand the main character whose role they project themselves into be criticized by a woman since you know, anime girls should be innocent and virgins and with unanimous belief in the mc's goodness even if they hit him in the head and physically abuse him on something of an hourly basis. Oh man, I almost missed it. Here's my amnesty for a hypocritical generalization. This is IMHO. Someone's been watching too much drama. Well u did take it WAY TOO SERIOUSLY considering that I was merely joking. ''SOME'' (incase u get all sensitive again) LN/MANGA/ANIME fans mostly are now into waifu materials thus I was making a joke that they like Yukinoshita due to knowing more about her in the LN, I never meant that in a serious negative way, I will repeat I WAS JOKING (notice the lol at the end of what I said? thats my way of saying its a joke since people are getting too uptight here) Also uhm people that hates on Yukinoshita basically just has a different taste, u do know not everyone has to like her. But yeah for you hating Yukinoshita is basically because people wants her to become a waifu material. BTW before you get all sensitive again, just so we're clear these are all MO. Its a fool's errand forcing my opinions into your opinions so I dont wanna waste time arguing with you. |
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SansrivaaL said: Lmfao, see who can't take a joke? You know it when a certain someone uses all caps to explain it. Someone's been watching too much drama. Well u did take it WAY TOO SERIOUSLY considering that I was merely joking. ''SOME'' (incase u get all sensitive again) LN/MANGA/ANIME fans mostly are now into waifu materials thus I was making a joke that they like Yukinoshita due to knowing more about her in the LN, I never meant that in a serious negative way, I will repeat I WAS JOKING (notice the lol at the end of what I said? thats my way of saying its a joke since people are getting too uptight here) BTW before you get all sensitive again, just so we're clear these are all MO. Its a fool's errand forcing my opinions into your opinions so I dont wanna waste time arguing with you. I never meant that in a serious negative way, I will repeat I WAS JOKING (notice the lol at the end of what I said? thats my way of saying its a joke since people are getting too uptight here) Oh yes, silly me. Call the jews sinners, the blacks hooligans and LN lovers crazy waifu loving otakus. Preface with a lol. Of course there's no offence intended.Also uhm people that hates on Yukinoshita basically just has a different taste, u do know not everyone has to like her. But yeah for you hating Yukinoshita is basically because people wants her to become a waifu material. B-but then, Ln readers think she's not bitch because she's waifu material, r-right? xD[spoiler] |
TerapinApr 24, 2015 9:25 AM
| I find it really interesting that a number of people are disappointed by the lack of monologues this season around. There is a sneaky truth about monologues and first-person narration (and it is why I dislike writing fiction in the first person point of view) that isn't readily apparent: first person narration creates automatic intimacy with the character. Literally being in someone's head is like experiencing synthetic empathy. We inherently like these characters more so long as they aren't fundamentally opposed to how we see ourselves. In short, we are willing to give the greatest leeway, the largest benefit of the doubt, to the characters whose inner thoughts we are privy to. Without that access, how much we like a character (and how much we are willing to forgive his flaws) rests more on his personality and actions. If certain people like Hachiman less this season, it may not be because he hasn't been adapted as well--they may be seeing the gulf between how much they liked his character when they could read his mind, and how much they like his character when they can only see his actions. Hachiman is not an inherently likeable character. Cut out the monologue scenes from the first season and he becomes more difficult to relate to. Consider the S1 Yui conflict; the dialogue is there that we can understand why it is that Hachiman is doing what he does, but remove the "I hate nice girls" monologue, the pertinent flashbacks, etc, and he comes across as quite a bit less sympathetic in the execution. I think this is more or less what we are being given in S2. |
| The election was like between Hikki and Yukino. I'm rooting for Yukino but it seems a bad idea, though. |
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| Yukino looked angry the entire episode. Her sister was amusing (took me a little to realize who she was with the new art and all). I'd like to see Yukino's reaction too (jealous or not). |
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| Man, that was tense. Poor Yui had to be in the tense atmosphere between hachiman and yukinon. Is it possible Hayama actually likes Haruno??? And i'm noticing that the animation for Yukinon seems off...in a bad way. |
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| Good episode, it's good to have actual development going on. I just hope Hikky will get better at some point. |
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| the yukino's sister is exactly the kind of woman I really don't like. |
| Overall, this episode is not bad, but you know, I do not like most comue once this TV series. That chemistry that worked so well in the first season, I do not find her anymore. Too many things have changed, maybe it was better to change even the voice actors, at least one felt less dazed. Drawings and animations good, the addition of the new opening surprised me, but also a bit disappointed, being very similar to many others in terms of the characters in the cast spoilers. New characters added now, leave me a little bitter taste, especially that of Iroha, had before inserting him a minimum of anticipation, and not throw them into the fray without notice, I did not like. Hayama has feelings for Haruno, so it seemed to believe and is perhaps the reason for friction between Yukinon and Haruno. Ah, I could be wrong ... teehee! XD |
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| I guess for some people high school is their whole world while they are in it, but I still can't really see how Yukino (and to a less extent, Hachiman and Yui) care so much about their classmate's "problems" (most of which just revolve around saving face in awkward situations). Whether or not Hachiman's methods are "right" or compassionate, it doesn't really matter. Who cares if the popular kids don't work out their problems or some hot girl wins the student council presidency...? Though I suppose I am being just as cynical as Hachiman for thinking that. |
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