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| Solid ep |
| The judgement was what I had expected. Definitely agree that Yosuke should be reincarnated but I wasn't so sure if Misaki should be reincarnted as well. Misaki definitely seems manipulative and scheming. She may have been good to her children but her actions towards her manager prove otherwise. And I somehow get the feeling she's mainly using her children to boost her popularity. |
| I mainly see the animes... so don't blame me for not knowing about the Manga/LN |
| Awesome episode. I think that it would be better if both of them went to the void though. He made a stupid enough move to suicide, because he could not face the facts. I thought that the man was way too weak. On the other hand, the woman's life was very difficult, but the way she treated her children and employees was not the best. I think that Decim chose her to go to the void because of the way she treated them as well as for her soul to rest and the man to go for reincarnation to give him another chance to live well with his family. It looks like next episode will introduce new characters. |
BossTheKid said: TheKnox said: Not heaven but reincarnation. Because she got pregnant early on and was abused by multiple men she was forced to do whatever she had to in order to survive. The otaku on the other hand took his own life instead of trying to live. Why does he deserve to be reincarnated. If the women was in a different situation things might have been different.If you do not understand why the lady was sent to hell, listen/read. The woman is manipulative. Think about the entire episode. She was manipulating the him the entire time. (We're on a game show. Go along with me and I'll tell you what to do. Lose this game. You need to let me free because of 'whatever excuse to save my skin'.) Then her behavior toward the guy where she beat his face into the machine showed her true colors. You can say it was for the kids, but that doesn't excuse her personality. She's a manipulative person and I have no doubt it was a lie. If you believed she deserved to go to heaven after all that, then she was manipulating you too. "she got pregnant" oh, so she was just magically impregnated? like, she blacked out and woke up pregnant? no, she chose a guy who turned out to be abusive, her own fault for not being a better judge of character. getting knocked up in a bathroom stall, meeting dudes in bars then bringing them home and banging them while her kids sleep in the next room.. she is not the brightest girl in the world. pretty stupid, in fact. everything that happened to her in her life is a result of her own stupid actions, she is no victim of anything. beyond that, she is a terrible human for bringing 5 kids into the world with no plan for their future. absolutely disgusting behavior. (gotta say though, I don't empathize with the guy much either. he seemingly commit suicide out of boredom[?]. not having an easy time understanding his thought process.) |
| meditate on bass weight. |
| God this series is awesome. For an episodic series, it can be really emotional. |
| *insert cringey anime reference here* |
| 1 more hint.. i think the special attack/ hidden attack shows how they value them lady = useless guy = super effective.. ;DD |
| The nerd getting reincarnation, while troubled MILF gets the void. If I recall correctly, the game is only held when two people die close to each other and they need to be judged to see where their souls go... so I guess they both died on the same hospital? While their cases are unrelated, they both deal with family issues still. This makes things more interesting, since initially I thought that the players needed to know each other intimately to end up playing the game. That's why I kept expecting the two of them were somehow related for the first quarter of this episode. If they make another episode likes this one, it will make things really hard to comprehend, since two very complicated, UNRELATED cases must be judged simultaneously. Anyway, while I feel bad about the Youseke's case, I think that Misaki's fate was crueler. Yes, she made bad decisions, but the guy took his own life, while in her case she gets murdered... It doesn't matter that she was a nasty bitch towards her staff, getting murdered in retaliation is taking things too far. In the end, life ended up fucking her over the most, such pity. |
| I don't understand... I mean, wasn't Quindecim supposed to be for pairs who died together? :S Aside from that, might it be that the nerd's "mother" wasn't really her mother, but rather the woman he played against was? As in, the father mistreated her and they divorced, and the woman who wanted to be called "mother" was just his father's second wife or something... that might explain why he doesn't want to call her mother, and his depression to some extent, too. Pretty sad episode overall, but unless what I said is true, it doesn't make much sense to me. I'd really like other's opinion on what I said. |
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| When the dude regretted his suicide and not being able to make his mom's simple dream come true, it hit me like a ton of bricks man. Never has an anime got me this emotional, Phenomenal episode. Sonatta said: I don't understand... I mean, wasn't Quindecim supposed to be for pairs who died together? :S No, it's people who die at the same time. They don't have to be related to each other, like the two in this episode and in Death Billiards. |
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| So many feelsssssss!!! I feel bad for both of them and cried in the second half of the episode. Why is life so f*cked up (crying) |
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| I really feel bad for the both of them |
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| About the assistant murdering her, maybe you could try to see it like this: She snapped as a result of constant abuse and hit back... she might very well not really mean to kill her and things just got out of hand while trying to save herself. She didn't call her children, she stopped the abuse to take a call from her kid... for the assistant to act that way, it's easy to imagine it would have gotten much worse if the call hadn't come and she thought she had to do something while she could. If you compare the situation to Misaki hitting Yousuke's face into the arcade until he didn't move anymore, you can understand it better: he didn't die because he was already dead, but he could very well have if it was still the real world. Misaki's actions afterwards show she didn't mean to kill him at all, she just snapped because she thought it was to save herself. Can you say with certain that if Misaki hadn't died, the assistant wouldn't act the same way towards her after her rage calmed down? She didn't deserve to be murdered, but it's hard to tell if if her assistant actually meant to kill her or just wanted to stop her. Also about the difference in their reactions when the joystick flew off... When Yousuke's did, it was still the second round, where him losing would only mean they go into the next round, and they still thought it was a tv show. When Misaki's did, she was already desperate, in the last, deciding round, with a huge handicap from him being a gamer and she being inexperienced in arcades, and thinking she was going to die if she lost. The situations were completely different, so saying he cared less about his life because he didn't really react to that makes zero sense, imo. |
| from what i've seen so far, those who seem to have a 'regretful' or 'miserable' expression on while the elevator doors are about to shut are sent into reincarnation. and others who don't necessarily seem regretful or rather somewhat accepting of their reality are sent into the void. i really liked this episode definitely my favorite so far |
allenarenJan 31, 2015 4:37 AM
Genix said: The nerd getting reincarnation, while troubled MILF gets the void. If I recall correctly, the game is only held when two people die close to each other and they need to be judged to see where their souls go... so I guess they both died on the same hospital? While their cases are unrelated, they both deal with family issues still. This makes things more interesting, since initially I thought that the players needed to know each other intimately to end up playing the game. That's why I kept expecting the two of them were somehow related for the first quarter of this episode. If they make another episode likes this one, it will make things really hard to comprehend, since two very complicated, UNRELATED cases must be judged simultaneously. Anyway, while I feel bad about the Youseke's case, I think that Misaki's fate was crueler. Yes, she made bad decisions, but the guy took his own life, while in her case she gets murdered... It doesn't matter that she was a nasty bitch towards her staff, getting murdered in retaliation is taking things too far. In the end, life ended up fucking her over the most, such pity. No, they do have a similarity. They both thought their life was horrible(well it was) and didn't consider others' feelings. The woman thought she was suffering, and didn't notice her children were there for her. The boy also thought he was suffering, and didn't notice his step mom wanted to welcome him as family. This is their similarity. Yes, she is screwed over by life, but it was her fault what she did. The boy didn't go through as much as she did, but at least he didn't start treating his stepmom like crap. allenaren said: from what i've seen so far, those who seem to have a 'regretful' or 'miserable' expression on while the elevator doors are about to shut are sent into reincarnation. and others who don't necessarily seem regretful are sent into the void. Not really. It's not about being regretful or not. The ones sent to the void may find it easier not to show their feelings. In this case, the boys parents divorced, the dad remarried, and he committed suicide because he couldn't handle things. The woman went through abuse, began treating her children like crap without noticing, and then smashed Yousuke's head into the screen. @_@ |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| I can see why the woman was sent to hell. I am surprised to see people not getting the whole gist of why she was sent to void. All she did in her life was cheating, not caring about her children, treating her secretary bad etc. Plus she overdid it by slamming Yosuke's head against the screen, what a bitch. She should hold more responbilities of what she has done. Yousuke had it worse, apparently he had no friends and his parents were divorced, his dad married another woman, the stepmother of Yousuke. I think he commited suicide because he couldn't accept his life considiton. Although he had a regret, not calling his stepmother, "mother". Brilliantly done episode, makes you think of endless possibilities of the fate of a character. 5/5 |
-Klad- said: I can see why the woman was sent to hell. I am surprised to see people not getting the whole gist of why she was sent to void. All she did in her life was cheating, not caring about her children, treating her secretary bad etc. Plus she overdid it by slamming Yosuke's head against the screen, what a bitch. She should hold more responbilities of what she has done. Yousuke had it worse, apparently he had no friends and his parents were divorced, his dad married another woman, the stepmother of Yousuke. I think he commited suicide because he couldn't accept his life considiton. Although he had a regret, not calling his stepmother, "mother". Brilliantly done episode, makes you think of endless possibilities of the fate of a character. 5/5 She didn't cheat on anyone. She was abused by her husband(s?) and boyfriend(s?). And before she knew it, she had 5 kids. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| This is tragic. I'm having a feels trip right now. Yousuke was so depressed that he committed suicide. Misaki was killed by her assistant. Both of them had terrible past. He had a troubled childhood, and she was deceived by his ex-husbands and her only chance to live happily was being on a television with her five children. Decim triggers a device causing both of the players to malfunction. He wants to add "extreme conditions". Onna disagrees with this technique. That moment when Misaki repeatedly slams Yousuke's face on the arcade machine, and then later she realizes that and is filled with remorse over her action. That's really harsh. Yousuke is sent to be reincarnated, while Misaki is sent to the void. How I wish she would be reincarnated, but she didn't treat her children and her assistant well, although I understand her because she was in deep pain. The guy feels so sad and hopeless because he didn't call her step mother "mamma" when he was living. Good episode. I love it. I can't wait for the next episode. |
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mira-lala said: Oh, you're right. Dont know why I had that impression. Either way, doesn't oppose the fact why she was sent to void-Klad- said: I can see why the woman was sent to hell. I am surprised to see people not getting the whole gist of why she was sent to void. All she did in her life was cheating, not caring about her children, treating her secretary bad etc. Plus she overdid it by slamming Yosuke's head against the screen, what a bitch. She should hold more responbilities of what she has done. Yousuke had it worse, apparently he had no friends and his parents were divorced, his dad married another woman, the stepmother of Yousuke. I think he commited suicide because he couldn't accept his life considiton. Although he had a regret, not calling his stepmother, "mother". Brilliantly done episode, makes you think of endless possibilities of the fate of a character. 5/5 She didn't cheat on anyone. She was abused by her husband(s?) and boyfriend(s?). And before she knew it, she had 5 kids. |
-Klad- said: mira-lala said: Oh, you're right. Dont know why I had that impression. Either way, doesn't oppose the fact why she was sent to voidShe didn't cheat on anyone. She was abused by her husband(s?) and boyfriend(s?). And before she knew it, she had 5 kids. I know, she still deserves to go to the void, but I'm just saying you shouldn't put all the blame on her. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| So both of them had a rough live, but Misaki abused other people too unlike the boy, so I kinda understand the judgement. But some people in here, which think of the otaku being "useless in society" and "pathetic, being all grumpy all the time", etc. should think over the value of human life in general, and also get some information on the sickness called "depression". |
| The decision was correct. Both had rough lives, Misaki abused other people too, but that's not the reason for the decision. Through reliving of their memories they both realised they fucked up. But, their desires after the realisation were different. The guy wanted another chance at life, the woman wanted to see HER children again. Reincarnation could give the guy another chance at life. Reincarnation COULDN'T let the woman see HER children again. That's why she was sent into the void, she had nothing to gain through reincarnation. |
| Best episode so far, absolutely loved it! I really felt sorry for both of the characters. This is definitely the best winter 2015 Anime right now! <3 |
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| Also, can someone tell me, in the final scene, is it implied that Decim broke his little thingie by himself, or it was broken during the game? |
WhipItGood said: Also, can someone tell me, in the final scene, is it implied that Decim broke his little thingie by himself, or it was broken during the game? He probably broke it by himself. Especially when you consider the crying scene. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
mira-lala said: WhipItGood said: Also, can someone tell me, in the final scene, is it implied that Decim broke his little thingie by himself, or it was broken during the game? He probably broke it by himself. Especially when you consider the crying scene. No, just rewatched it, Onna brakes it herself. |
| All the "the otaku commited suicide for nothing" are stupid. People don't do that for no reason. |
persolus said: i doubt she loved her children, because if you love them u wont say "I was about to be happy", if you love your children you'll be happy if they are healthy. Of course money can make your life better, but not everytime happy. And that quote "send me back to THOSE children" not mine, but THOSE children. I have to agree with you. |
| because the woman probably wanted to go back for her own showbiz career. I think. emotional ep... |
| Not bad episode. I'm just waiting for the next one, it looks good. TiKey said: All the "the otaku commited suicide for nothing" are stupid. People don't do that for no reason. Yep |
| No Ginti No Life |
| 5/5 |
WhipItGood said: The decision was correct. Both had rough lives, Misaki abused other people too, but that's not the reason for the decision. Through reliving of their memories they both realised they fucked up. But, their desires after the realisation were different. The guy wanted another chance at life, the woman wanted to see HER children again. Reincarnation could give the guy another chance at life. Reincarnation COULDN'T let the woman see HER children again. That's why she was sent into the void, she had nothing to gain through reincarnation. This is a good point. Even tho I wanted her to get reincarnated, in the end, she'd never get a chance to see her children again. Life sucks. |
heiqi1hu said: because the woman probably wanted to go back for her own showbiz career. I think. emotional ep... Nah, she wanted to see her children again. |
TiKey said: All the "the otaku commited suicide for nothing" are stupid. People don't do that for no reason. Yes. Yousuke was neglected as a child to the point where his mother literally said she wished she had never had him IN HIS FACE and walked out completely. I don't think people understand how this can f**k a person up, especially a child. That's a deep, traumatic event whether you want to admit it or not and it's gonna be a gaping whole in one's existence. So from thereon, he developed depression that grew deeper with time to the point where he didn't see life as worthy of living; I'm guessing he knew his dad and stepmom loved him, but didn't have it in him to crawl out of the dark place he was at. People don't commit suicide "for no reason," ever. There's always a catalyst that pushes them over the edge. And depression is one hellova strong trigger, when you no longer see the light or point in anything anymore. And in the end, he showed great remorse for not fulfilling even one little wish asked of him. He regretted his actions. Whilst Misaki was abused to the point she started abusing people herself, justifying her actions as love for her kids. I get that she had a hard life, but you don't abuse others just because you were abused, wtf is that logic?!? No wonder the assistant choked her, I don't think it was the first time she hit her either. I don't think her kids really liked her much either, as she seemed more concerned with her career other than her kids; she was likely neglecting them, leaving the older kids to take care of the younger ones while she was out doing more auditions over taking care of her children. That's hella selfish, don't you think? Also, in the arcade game, she called them pretty useless, as well as demanding to be sent back to "THOSE" kids, not "MY" kids. Like, if you don't want to take proper care of your kids and commit yourself to that, STOP HAVING THEM WITH EVERY GUY YOU COME ACROSS LIKE A RABBIT, DAMMIT! FFS, she was f**king with some guy in the hallway when her kids were asleep like 10 meter from her! No mother of the year-award for you, woman! So yeah, rant over. TLTR: I think both were sent to reincarnation/void fairly. |
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| OOOOH so sad. Too bad we didn't know as who went to who. |
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GoMarcia said: Why has the woman been sent to hell? I don't get it You really have to ask?  |
DB24 said: GoMarcia said: Why has the woman been sent to hell? I don't get it You really have to ask? [img]-SNIP- She's a disgrace to the Fighting Game Community. |
| Really emotional episode. 5/5 |
| Between the adult world and the world of kids, there, Holyland exists. |
| We always have to be in count our consequences in life... Until the most poor of them. |
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| Great episode. I cried like a little biatch at the end (and my mom came to my room right in that moment to ask something and it totally startled her,hah...thanks anime). I am also pretty happy about the fact they addressed the things i found problematic and wrote about them in episode discussion thread before. Onna said exactly what i was thinking. They are dragging whatever "darkness" out of people,it's not natural...because all living things react extremely when forced into corner. And it does not mean they are evil. Also,as the Misaki lady said...who they are and what gives them the right to be arbiters? |
| Wow. Speechless yet again. This episode really called into question Decim's judgments. Really, how can he choose the fates of these people? The fates of these people that he, ultimately, doesn't know and care about? Damn, this anime is incredible. I had hoped both the kid and the woman would go to heaven (considering how they had both cried into Decim's chest), but I could literally feel the chill running down my spine when I saw the mask of hell above the woman's elevator. Why? I understand she was a bitch and she made lots of mistakes, but she seemed to really love her children in the end. I suppose maybe her cry to "send me back to those children" was more a selfish plea for her own life, exploiting her kids to evoke sympathy from Decim. On the other hand, the otaku didn't beg Decim - he only regretted himself, from the bottom of his heart, that he didn't love his new mother as he should have. It's still all so subjective, though. And that's why it's so amazing. It made me miss the peacefulness of the previous episode. Ahh, I love this show. Looks like next episode is going to be more "behind-the-scenes" again. I hope it'll be interesting, and maintain its uniqueness. WhipItGood said: The decision was correct. Both had rough lives, Misaki abused other people too, but that's not the reason for the decision. Through reliving of their memories they both realised they fucked up. But, their desires after the realisation were different. The guy wanted another chance at life, the woman wanted to see HER children again. Reincarnation could give the guy another chance at life. Reincarnation COULDN'T let the woman see HER children again. That's why she was sent into the void, she had nothing to gain through reincarnation. I have to disagree with you. The guy didn't only want another chance at life - he wanted to grant his own mother's wish, and actually strive to be a proper son. So the argument that you provide for the woman also applies for the dude as well. Reincarnation can't let the woman see her children again, but it also can't let the son grant his stepmother's wish either. |
fishergirl16Jan 31, 2015 11:50 AM
| I was hoping that they would wake up in the hospital, since they did not have any wounds. |
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| So she did go to hell in the end. Well, she WAS quite violent to people other than her children, that's for sure. I bet she always regretted that she got pregnant with her first man and that destroyed her life, she always took those children as something of weight. Heck, she even tried to get rich out of her/their family situation, that's epitome of "doesn't care". She also wasn't very caring mother though I think she was just hopeless trying to find the one who would be gentle and nice to her. But she was the type who always attracted bad guys. We can debate that this her nature was something she copied from her ex-partners but that doesn't change the fact she was really selfish. Both in this episode were guilty of their own death but each in different way. The guy just didn't realize there is someone who cares about him. It seems there will be another of explanation episode next time with Decim getting yelled at again, so we may get proper explanation of this but it isn't really needed I guess. By the way - don't forget arbiters only see those memories prior to their arrival to afterlife, they don't see what's going on in their head right while playing the game, so they can only base their judgement on what they see and hear during actual game. |
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