gamer2710 said: Ghostony said: Dude, have you seen or heard some of these voice actors? I'm not talking about the ones that get hired to do a few lines in one show, I mean the good ones that have been dubbing for years, playing many significant characters. Either you haven't watched recent dubs or you're just trolling us.Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner Good job at not giving any refrences, maybe you're the troll. Here are some references to super fail dubs Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, Code Geass So..enlighten me.. what anime has a dub that's equal or greater than sub? |
GhostonyMar 6, 2013 11:28 AM
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Ghostony said: gamer2710 said: Ghostony said: Dude, have you seen or heard some of these voice actors? I'm not talking about the ones that get hired to do a few lines in one show, I mean the good ones that have been dubbing for years, playing many significant characters. Either you haven't watched recent dubs or you're just trolling us.Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner Good job at not giving any refrences, maybe you're the troll. Here are some references to super fail dubs Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, Code Geass So..enlighten me.. what anime has a good dub? You listed TB3 as reference material? There's your first problem. Also Code Geass dub wasn't bad. There's quite a few people that think Lelouche's VA did a job on par with the Japanese VA. Personally I disliked Lelouche's Japanese VA because they sounded like they were 8 years old. The rest of the Japanese cast wasn't that bad though. I like Cornelia's Japanese VA better than the English one. Both of Nina's VA's were annoying to the point where I wanted to smack them. |
| Not sure what TB3 is. Honestly there are parodies of CG on youtube that have better voice actors than the english dub lol |
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| Subs! Dubs are usually pretty bad. |
Ghostony said: Not sure what TB3 is. Honestly there are parodies of CG on youtube that have better voice actors than the english dub lol TB3, The Big Three. |
Ghostony said: Before I make references to series that I think have good dubs, allow me to comment on two that you listed. I have not seen Bleach or One Piece. So why did you think those two are "super fail"? Work with me here. As for a list of series with good dubs that I have watched: The rest on my list are average at worst, but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions: P.S. TB3 = The Big Three = Naruto, Bleach, One Piece Edit: Also, I am basing my judgments on the fact that I have only seen the dubs of a lot of series that have already been released Stateside. I am not comparing them to the Japanese version, I am only judging them based on their own merits. |
gamer2710Mar 6, 2013 11:54 AM
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gamer2710 said: Ghostony said: Before I make references to series that I think have good dubs, allow me to comment on two that you listed. I have not seen Bleach or One Piece. So why did you think those two are "super fail"? Work with me here. As for a list of series with good dubs that I have watched: The rest on my list are average at worst, but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions: P.S. TB3 = The Big Three = Naruto, Bleach, One Piece Well, you were pretty spot on with Baka and Test. I've seen both versions and I really do feel like the English cast did a much better job than their Japanese counterpart. The Japanese cast wasn't bad either, they were both good and I watched the series subbed first, but the English cast was really spot on with this one. |
AhriMar 6, 2013 12:05 PM
gamer2710 said: Baka and Test--Akihisa and Yuji were funny as hell, funnier than their Japanese versions . Lol bullshit. |
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tsudecimo said: gamer2710 said: Baka and Test--Akihisa and Yuji were funny as hell, funnier than their Japanese versions . What? But you're not allowed to have an opinion different than mine! It's outrageous! Sad to hear :(. |
Ahri said: I see what you did there.tsudecimo said: gamer2710 said: Baka and Test--Akihisa and Yuji were funny as hell, funnier than their Japanese versions . What? But you're not allowed to have an opinion different than mine! It's outrageous! Sad to hear :(. |
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| I happen to enjoy a lot of dubbed anime, not for every series, but a fair amount. (Fullmetal Alchemist and Cowboy Bebop being the pinnacle!) If that's the wrong way to watch anime, then i dont wanna be right. |
IcecreamManwich said: I happen to enjoy a lot of dubbed anime, not for every series, but a fair amount. (Fullmetal Alchemist and Cowboy Bebop being the pinnacle!) If that's the wrong way to watch anime, then i dont wanna be right. |
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gamer2710 said: I dont know if you're being facetious or not (that 'badass' screencap is rarely used in a positive light lol) but thank you!IcecreamManwich said: I happen to enjoy a lot of dubbed anime, not for every series, but a fair amount. (Fullmetal Alchemist and Cowboy Bebop being the pinnacle!) If that's the wrong way to watch anime, then i dont wanna be right. |
MarineSlate said: Ahri said: MarineSlate said: gamer2710 said: Ghostony said: Dude, have you seen or heard some of these voice actors? I'm not talking about the ones that get hired to do a few lines in one show, I mean the good ones that have been dubbing for years, playing many significant characters. Either you haven't watched recent dubs or you're just trolling us.Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner He can state his honest opinion. We're obviously outnumbered by you guys so stop acting as if dubs > subs is objective. Fail more. Ghostony said: Japans voice actors are better, they put more emotion/enthusiasm into it. Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner the only exceptions are usually the ones for kids.. like Hamtaro and Pokemon ITT: Trolls. And by that logic those who state their own opinions always aren't being serious at all yet your own opinion is meant to be taken for granted, given the fact that 75% of MAL "agrees" with you. You're blinded in objectivity, nothing can stop you though because of course this reply will be insignificant to you. Ignorance is bliss. Anyhow, I don't mind those who like dubs, I just don't like dubs as they are. Well I didn't mean to offend you. Actually I was just more irritated at the guy who made the cheese burger comment. For one, Cheese burgers are disgusting and I have no idea what they have to do with anime, and for two he's prancing around thinking his opinion is absolute. You just happened to get lumped in. I apologize. That was my bad. |
MarineSlate said: Yeah. This is like the only thread related to anime in general that I can comment on seriously.But hey, it's MAL, what can I do? x] |
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True.... Though with any sub vs dub convos they tend to get really heated sometimes. The last few pages have surprisingly been pretty tame compared to the earlier posts a few months ago. MarineSlate said: gamer2710 said: MarineSlate said: Yeah. This is like the only thread related to anime in general that I can comment on seriously.But hey, it's MAL, what can I do? x] Yet if your opinion contrasts, it's always taken the objective way. I don't actively chastise anyone who likes dubs because I find their opinions subjective, as is mine towards only watching subs because that's how I became after a while. Sometimes arguing this matter can be stupid though. Good thing we don't have bigger trolls who've argued here in the past lol Yeah. I watch both subs and dubs, so I try to stay unbiased in stuff like this. However if one side is berating the other side for no reason then I step in to defend it. I don't mind people having opinions of what they like better. However if you're going around toting "Subs are better, dubs are trash and anyone who disagrees is just garbage" then it gets annoying. That's not to say that the dubbed side doesn't have people like that either, but you see that attitude from people who watch subs mostly. |
AhriMar 6, 2013 12:51 PM
Ahri said: and for two he's prancing around thinking his opinion is absolute. You just happened to get lumped in. I apologize. That was my bad. I'm not sure where this is coming from. Am I not allowed to say my opinion because it's different than yours? Thanks for the personal offense. I don't recall belittling anyone elses opinions, I even asked for references so I could see it for myself. If you can't handle someone disliking dubs then why are you even here? |
GhostonyMar 6, 2013 1:57 PM
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Ghostony said: You, specifically, set it off with the cheeseburger comment, which was completely ridiculous if you actually meant it. I do apologize for not giving references right then (and I had planned to) but I was in a rush, so I offered my input later on.Ahri said: and for two he's prancing around thinking his opinion is absolute. You just happened to get lumped in. I apologize. That was my bad. I'm not sure where this is coming from. Am I not allowed to say my opinion because it's different than yours? Thanks for the personal offense. I don't recall belittling anyone elses opinions, I even asked for references so I could see it for myself. If you can't handle someone disliking dubs then why are you even here? |
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gamer2710 said: You, specifically, set it off with the cheeseburger comment, which was completely ridiculous if you actually meant it. If I had known so many people hated cheeseburger eaters, I would have refrained from adding a hint of humor to my posts. I apologise. But if you want to know what it was referring to, it's when people make lip smacking/chewing sounds when they aren't actually eating anything. ---- On another note.. I don't get what people mean when they say japanese female VA's sound too whiney. They don't sound whiney at all.. if anything they sound like the cutest things in the world |
GhostonyMar 6, 2013 2:09 PM
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Ghostony said: But if you want to know what it was referring to, it's when people make lip smacking/chewing sounds when they aren't actually eating anything. So why didn't you just say this from the beginning? :| Ghostony said: I can definitely hear it when the actress is playing a male (Yukiteru Amano, The Future Diary (Mirai Nikki), for example). It doesn't sound right at all. I don't hear it if they're talking about female characters, though.On another note.. I don't get what people mean when they say japanese female VA's sound too whiney. They don't sound whiney at all.. if anything they sound like the cutest things in the world |
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Ghostony said: Ahri said: and for two he's prancing around thinking his opinion is absolute. You just happened to get lumped in. I apologize. That was my bad. I'm not sure where this is coming from. Am I not allowed to say my opinion because it's different than yours? Thanks for the personal offense. I don't recall belittling anyone elses opinions, I even asked for references so I could see it for myself. If you can't handle someone disliking dubs then why are you even here? I can handle it, It's just easy for people to sound very condescending in a topic like this. Whether they meant it or not. You'll have to forgive me. I guess I perceived your comment wrongly. It just irritates me when someone acts like their opinion is better than someone else's (And is serious about it). I'm on both sides of the fence, but I don't like to see either side throwing out insults to each other because they think that their opinion is word of god. |
| I didn't even notice Yuki was played by a female.. a common practice for both anime&cartoons, haha. But deep voices are rare where I grow up so maybe I'm just used too it. I've been to florida a few times on vacations and was almost scared at how deep everyones voices were down there.. It's kinda the same thing for me with dubbed anime, I'm not used to really deep voices for teenage characters, to me it sounds like they're in their 40's or something gamer2710 said: So why didn't you just say this from the beginning? :| Because it was funnier. Also I saw your refrence, I saved it to Plant To Watch. Whenever I get around too it.. lol @Ahri I see... my opinions sound harsher when I feel like I'm in the minority. I wonder why this thread doesn't have a poll... |
GhostonyMar 6, 2013 2:27 PM
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Ghostony said: Now there's something we can agree on. This is the exact reason I liked the voice of Yuji Sakai (Shakugan no Shana) in season 1. He didn't sound too deep-voiced to me. Funimation's choice for his replacement, on the other hand...It's kinda the same thing for me with dubbed anime, I'm not used to really deep voices for teenage characters, to me it sounds like they're in their 40's or something |
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| I enjoy sub since the majority of anime have word play that is only heard in subbed. However, there are some dubbed anime that I enjoyed like Death Note, Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka?, Monster, and Samurai Champloo. |
Ghostony said: I didn't even notice Yuki was played by a female.. a common practice for both anime&cartoons, haha. But deep voices are rare where I grow up so maybe I'm just used too it. I've been to florida a few times on vacations and was almost scared at how deep everyones voices were down there.. It's kinda the same thing for me with dubbed anime, I'm not used to really deep voices for teenage characters, to me it sounds like they're in their 40's or something gamer2710 said: So why didn't you just say this from the beginning? :| Because it was funnier. Also I saw your refrence, I saved it to Plant To Watch. Whenever I get around too it.. lol @Ahri I see... my opinions sound harsher when I feel like I'm in the minority. I wonder why this thread doesn't have a poll... Understandable. Mine do as well, it gets me into trouble.... a lot.... More than I'd like it to. Though I don't have bad intentions. Also I'm not too certain.... Though maybe if it did have a poll people would see that their side was losing and refrain from posting in fear of being ridiculed. Just my thoughts. |
| Hehe, you guys are arguing about subs vs dubs... Really, it goes both ways, depends how you grew up and see things. I'm a fan of Japanese culture and, to me, watching ANIME in English just breaks my moral point of view on what anime truly is. The arguments dubbers will have are most likely stuff like : "I don't like reading while watching anime", "Can't understand what they're saying; it is annoying", "It's funnier in English", etc. It's all understandable, as long as more people watch anime, I'm happy, really. I can even point out arguments that go in both ways such as "The main characters always have a very similar voice (in any language once you're used to it) - boys and girls alike". I can think of many anime that can actually fit really well as an English dub, such as Blassreiter, Monster, etc. Anime that occur outside of Japan in a world similar to ours seem to make dubs less painful for me (I've never tried, but as I was watching those animes, I was wondering what they'd sound in English, so I guess that means they could be watchable from a pro-sub person like me). But really, there's no point arguing, it's a question of choice... IMO, THE BEST IS AN ENGLISH DUB WITH A JAPANESE VOICE ACTOR! (jk, but it's really funny/hard to understand sometimes when they do that in anime). On a really funny side-note however, as an amateur in Japanese, I always thought that Blood Teller from Faylan was sung in Japanese with some English words here and there... (Here's a link to the song on Youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Dxv4bQEZU ) PS : I suggest you listen to it with the subs! haha ( or lyrics, in this case; they're in the video description... I had a thought for you lazy people out there ;-] ). |
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blob said: watching ANIME in English just breaks my moral point of view on what anime truly is. Your moral viewpoint on what anime truly is? All my what. |
InfiniteRyvius said: blob said: watching ANIME in English just breaks my moral point of view on what anime truly is. Your moral viewpoint on what anime truly is? All my what. Haha I don't really understand your question... I guess I didn't really make any sense, did I? Sorry, I can't explain it really, you'll have to figure it out. x[ |
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| In my opinion, I prefer subs over dubs. Watching it in subs make it feel like natural. In dubs they tend to change the overall mood of the show. However there are some dubs that are actually pretty good. I just recently finished Beck in dub and I gave it a score of 10. Oh and some Ghibli movies too are great since they have much impact in the West. But the bottomline is, I still prefer subs. If I do ever watch dubs they are not anime about school girls. |
| Subs of'course :) Dunno. I just think I'm getting irritated when I heard mis-pronounce japanese characters when they're dubbing. :D |
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| personally i'll take a well done dub over subs any day. while i don't mind reading subs (hell i've been doing it for years) there's just something nice about being able to sit back and relax with a show without having to constantly read what's being said on the bottom of the screen. sadly most of the time shows are not dubbed with care so i usually just stick with japanese audio/english subtitles. |
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| This entire thread is so dumb, anyone who says all of one thing is better than the other doesn't know what they are talking about. What I don't understand is why people can't just say, "I watch subs cause they release faster." that should be everyone's argument. I rarely watch dubs cause it is just the older stuff that has dubs, everything else is usually airing and subs only. or still new enough not to have dub. And when I do watch a dub, most of the time no sub will ever be watched. There are only a few shows I've seen all the way through both dub and sub. They seem pretty even. |
RisingCascade said: BUT THATS THE BEAUTY OF DUBS, NO? Totally agree here. Try watching Tenchi Muyo or Akira and you'll see how horribly done the names are pronounced. Well the new generations will soon know Tetsuo as Travis :D Mow123 said: What I don't understand is why people can't just say, "I watch subs cause they release faster." that should be everyone's argument. I watch subs because I like Japanese voices way more than dub... I'm just too used to them and dub voices sound horrible to me. Speed of release has nothing to do with my choice. I usually watch "new" anime at least half a year after their release, sometimes even later |
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| Well... I can't really have a say on this topic. Unfortunately (don't hate on me, I'm not trying to offend anyone) I can't really stand the American accent, particularly when watching anime. When I hear certain voices dubbed in AE, I can't stop but think about those globally marketed TV-Series Film scattered throughout the world (all American productions). Unfortunately, I don't see the UK putting much effort into Anime and Manga, I'd really love to see some series with British dubbers. Anyhow, beside that, English is in my daily life; at some point, constantly hearing it gives me bore, I'd rather listen to a completely different language than mine, which is why I prefer subbed anime. Plus, for however good AE dubbers might be, certain aspects of Japanese are not easy to replicate. |
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sherlock5545 said: Well... I can't really have a say on this topic. Unfortunately (don't hate on me, I'm not trying to offend anyone) I can't really stand the American accent, particularly when watching anime. When I hear certain voices dubbed in AE, I can't stop but think about those globally marketed TV-Series Film scattered throughout the world (all American productions). Unfortunately, I don't see the UK putting much effort into Anime and Manga, I'd really love to see some series with British dubbers. Anyhow, beside that, English is in my daily life; at some point, constantly hearing it gives me bore, I'd rather listen to a completely different language than mine, which is why I prefer subbed anime. Plus, for however good AE dubbers might be, certain aspects of Japanese are not easy to replicate. AE? |
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| With AE I meant American English. I did listen to Italian dubs, though, the voice actors put much more dedication and effort in voicing the characters. Months ago I found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe6Z9-js3Q It's an Italian voice actor dubbing Kenshiro, I have to admit it looks very appealing. |
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Mow123 said: This entire thread is so dumb, anyone who says all of one thing is better than the other doesn't know what they are talking about. What I don't understand is why people can't just say, "I watch subs cause they release faster." that should be everyone's argument. I rarely watch dubs cause it is just the older stuff that has dubs, everything else is usually airing and subs only. or still new enough not to have dub. And when I do watch a dub, most of the time no sub will ever be watched. There are only a few shows I've seen all the way through both dub and sub. They seem pretty even. Only interesting post I can reply to right now. I agree that's the main reason I watch subs is because they're easier to find as well as the fact they're released faster. Though I do like the way some Japanese VAs sound, not better or worse than American VAs. Though I don't know any Japanese VA names. |
| Well it depends. I watch both, but usually its Subbed because most of the anime i watch isnt in dubbed form. i keep altering between dubbed and subbed. If the anime is better in sub then i watch it subbed and vice versa too. |
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| In general I will watch subs over dubs either because its a new airing show and only has subs, or the dub is bad or lack of effort on the VA part. In most cases Japanese VA are more professional and have far more experience, also if they are bad its alot harder for a non-english speaker to tell. Most dubs pre 2000 are usually pretty bad, but for silly 80s anime like Wicked City, the Dubs can actually make it more enjoyable a case of its so bad its good. I also would watch dub if its recomended highly like in Baccano. I have also re-watched a few animes in dub like Madoka Magica if I enjoyed the show enough to rewatch. |
ElPysCongroo said: Is that necessarily a good thing? If something is bad, we should know about it. I sure as hell don't want to listen to Japanese voice actors doing an English Engrish dub (see Kirei Kotomine in Fate/Zero). In any case, with subs, since we can't judge the voices properly, we have to instead judge the quality of the translation done by the subber.In most cases Japanese VA are more professional and have far more experience, also if they are bad its alot harder for a non-english speaker to tell. |
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Is that necessarily a good thing? If something is bad, we should know about it. I sure as hell don't want to listen to Japanese voice actors doing an English Engrish dub (see Kirei Kotomine in Fate/Zero). In any case, with subs, since we can't judge the voices properly, we have to instead judge the quality of the translation done by the subber. ignorance is bliss? |
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