Coppelion Episode 1 Discussion

Klimat said:


It's not like they were sent to war or something. Their mission is basically to walk around the ghost city most of the time with not a single other person nearby, the most dangerous thing there is radiation (at least that's the initial judgement), yet it is virtually harmless to our heroines.

wrenchbread said:
They don't know that it's completely deserted. In fact, they were sent into find people, so chances are there are things other than people. Like mutated monster things. If Fallout and STALKER has taught me anything, a deserted nuclear wasteland is not deserted at all. At the very least they should have some common survival gear. They might be resistant to radiation, but I don't think a seifuku would protect them from the elements or ambushes. And why didn't everyone get outfitted with a rifle and pistol? You're walking into a nuclear wasteland ffs.

Klimat said:

Please, mutated radiation monsters are so fiction-y. In this regards here we have a slightly more realistic setting. Like in real-life Chernobyl there really are no deformed monsters running around trying to kill people. Occasional mutants are at best a goat with a pair of extra dysfunctional legs that do not get in the way or at worst something completely non-viable, unable to move around and support itself, pretty much dead on arrival.
In case of some non-friendly people Coppelions have at least one pistol handed to the most capable of them, super-human strengths of the main girl (normal person would not survive a jump from a bridge that she performed in the first episode) and an order to observe yet not to engage in contact with anyone. That guy on the chopper got mad at Ibara for approaching a radiation victim on her own for a reason. Also we have no idea what other equipment is hidden in girls' enormous handbags they carry around.
As for school uniforms, that is of cause kinda silly, but that is Japanese anime for you.

wrenchbread said:
>so fiction-y.

Well, gee, I wonder what kinda genre this series is part of. I'm leaning less toward mutant animals attacking and more toward feral creatures attacking on sight.

And this series is REAAALLY realistic, huh. You got a Luger that can somehow fire tranq rounds using gunpowder without the tranq blowing up in the chamber and that can also serve as a medigel gun when it uses the same firing pin.
You also wouldn't stash your weapons in a bag. If you had a rifle on you, it would most likely be slung over your shoulder or held at a combat ready position like so: http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2263/csa20060222tz7.jpg and your secondary firearm in a holster.
It's more for protection than active engagements. You don't see modern day soldiers going on recon missions with almost nothing but a walkie-talkie. You plan for contingencies. You don't just outfit one member of the squad with just a pistol and leave everyone else with no means to defend themselves if and when the situation arises. Which really begs the question, are these guys really military? They don't seem trained for the job, especially if they're raising a gun at their CO, which is grounds for death or court-martial.

You talk about how it's more realistic, but you're ok with schoolgirls in uniform walking ill-equipped into a nuclear wasteland. I hope you see the hypocrisy in that.

Klimat said:

Ok, lets switch "so fiction-y" with "so American comic book-y". Coppelion is not The Incredible Hulk to have radioactive mutants with superpowers created by an accident. You are missing the point.
And I repeat, the ghost town is not a war zone, is it so hard to understand? IRL rescuers working in wild woods usually are not military. Also it's funny how you yourself presumed Coppelions are military, then decided they don't look like soldiers and got upset. Well, girls don't look like military because most likely they are not, surprise-surprise.
Also it's 20 years in the future, they can have all kinds of modified weapons, so picking at the Luger is kinda pointless.

wrenchbread said:
I sure as hell didn't mean American comic book fiction either. If you're gonna keep pointing to extremes like that then we're done here, but I'll humor you. Have you played STALKER, Fallout (3), Metro 2033? Those places aren't warzones either, but your main equipment aside from food, water, and other necessities is most likely (and should be) a weapon. You'd never know what you'd encounter and I'd rather be safe than sorry. Considering Coppelion takes place in a dense urban area, you'd never know what's hiding in the next building.

And yes they're military. They're genetically modified humans with high radiation resistance created for the purpose of exploring the nuclear wasteland. Usually the government, if not the military, handles stuff like this. It'd make more sense to keep your investments alive by giving them a weapon instead of just sending them in cold to an area they never been to before. Not to mention the Vice-Principal Mishima is often called Commander Mishima by his subordinates. If that ain't military, I dunno what is.

Klimat said:

Have you ever been to real-life Chernobyl? Protip: it is nothing like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. except for geography.
For some reason you assumed Coppelion as a sci-fi show should not be based on reality with changes only deemed necessary by the author, yet on other post-apocalyptic sci-fis you are familiar with. That is a wrong assumption from the start.
Also if you are so interested, I've played Fallout 1 and 2 to death, played Fallout 3 and New Vegas, also played all S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. Yet it has nothing to do with the show at hand.

Guys in the chopper are military of cause. Coppelion girls are clearly students/cadets from National Defense Academy of Japan where Mishima is a lecturer among his other duties. As far as I'm aware cadets are classified as service civilians, they can't be court-martialed, they are not actually part of the military before they successfully graduate from the academy and actually enroll to The Japan Self-Defense Forces.

klaymore said:
btw I would bet everything that the glasses girl is not dead^^

Kuroharinezumi said:
I have to agree. Background is amazing, but the characters are in huge contrast with the quality of the scene in the rear... The storyline looks fine so far, I'm curious about this catastrophe. But I hope it won't be a typical trio of smart girl, good-but-weepy girl ang brave girl...

azzuRe said:
The premise of the show is weird, why didn't they use robots instead for this kind of tasks?
Then again, although it is catastrophic, it's only on a scale of a city, not the entire world isn't it?
To bio-engineering human dna just for this is really unthinkable, unless there is a catch..
(after all, it looks like they were kept as secret to the entire world)

I had a feeling of a hidden plot in play, I hope I'm not overreaching my expectations.

soluuloi said:

Yep, one of the more stupid move of the show. Build up a lot about how that megane girl is in danger yet some seconds later, she is shown totally fine in the ed. It sucks.

mugimugi said:
Yup, the setting is fairly decent but the characters suck and the plot was too boring for what it could be.

Also;
>Make humans immune to radioactive environment and send them to retrieve people and whatever
>Make it a group of three school girls
>Make them wear school uniforms with magical no-pantsu-flash skirts.
>Give the wobbly and lively kawaii animations