| Well where does the word cartoon comes from? Anime comes from the word animation, where does the cartoon word come from? Anyway if something 2d is cartoon then i guess calling anime cartoon is not wrong by definition. But still i thing is better to call one anime and other cartoon because they have there differences and is good to be able to distinguish more what is what. Maybe instead of calling japanese staff anime only, we should simply call not childish things anime. For example hearing someone calling Pokemon cartoon doesn't sound bad to me but hearing the word cartoon for lets say Black Lagoon just doesn't sound right. Dalek-baka said: so how do you call western animated cartoon which is not aimed towards kids? A miracle? |
Monad said: Well where does the word cartoon comes from? Anime comes from the word animation, where does the cartoon word come from? Anyway if something 2d is cartoon then i guess calling anime cartoon is not wrong by definition. But still i thing is better to call one anime and other cartoon because they have there differences and is good to be able to distinguish more what is what. Maybe instead of calling japanese staff anime only, we should simply call not childish things anime. For example hearing someone calling Pokemon cartoon doesn't sound bad to me but hearing the word cartoon for lets say Black Lagoon just doesn't sound right. but it's mixing now technology used and genre/target clasification because: first is cartoon (basically comics or literaly piece of paper) --- which is made into animated cartoon (as in comparison with other ways of doing thing) and which in Japan is called anime so if someone call anime a (animated) cartoon is 100% right :) and it's nor that miraculous - there is maybe not so many cartoons aimed at adults (or we concentrate here on different techniques) - but there is quite a few of them :) |
Anime_Name said: Good point. So why would you call it Japanese animation because of what it looks like? Because it's all about visual in the first place. VampyrHeart said: Anime is cartoon. I don't get the point of this thread. For people who are butthurt about "anime" being called "cartoon". Monad said: Well where does the word cartoon comes from? Anime comes from the word animation, where does the cartoon word come from? Anyway if something 2d is cartoon then i guess calling anime cartoon is not wrong by definition. But still i thing is better to call one anime and other cartoon because they have there differences and is good to be able to distinguish more what is what. I'm old. In my 30's... and I managed to learn not to give a crap about that. Animation is something I intend to continue to enjoy -- well into my old age -- and I don't care where it comes from, as long as it is entertaining and enjoyable. |
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Because it's all about visual in the first place. No it's not. Country of origin, visuals, story themes, and history are all part of what makes anime anime, not just visuals. |
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Anime_Name said: Because it's all about visual in the first place. No it's not. Country of origin, visuals, story themes, and history are all part of what makes anime anime, not just visuals. Like I said: You can take any story, any history, and any perspective and plug it into an anime production studio. And viola. Anime. And you note: "country of origin". Uh... sorry, but not every anime story has a country of origin from Japan. A good chunk of series covers the "Romance of the Three Kingdoms"... a Chinese story. |
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| History as in America's history of categorizing foreign media separately and sticking the label of country of origin in front of the medium(British sitcom, Japanese animation, Russian TV, Spanish Soap Opera) in order to differentiate foreign properties from domestic ones. Country of origin as in the country that produced the finished worked and gains from the product's success. Which is not necessarily the country where the source material came from. The Toyota Camry is a Japanese car despite being based on a Western idea and manufactured in Kentucky. Try to not treat everything as absolutes. There are always exceptions to the rule but those exceptions don't make the rule invalid. What Westerners slap the name anime on shows because things like country of origin, visuals, story themes, and history. Sure marketers are using anime-like as a new selling point but being anime-like is limited to just have similar visual style. If the marketers could get away with calling an anime-like show anime solely because of visuals they would but that is not how the word works in English. Now do you care to get back on the topic about getting pissed or not when anime is called cartoons? |
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Onibokusu said: Monad said: A miracle? I always knew you were a massive weeaboo Monad. And i always knew you where a 4chan troll Onibokusu. |
Anime_Name said: History as in America's history of categorizing foreign media separately and sticking the label of country of origin in front of the medium(British sitcom, Japanese animation, Russian TV, Spanish Soap Opera) in order to differentiate foreign properties from domestic ones. And I agree. This entire mess is America's fault. |
| Click on this. I dare you. | MAL Fantasy Football League | Currently Watching List RWBY Club. RWBY is anime. Deal with it. |
| I get pissed off about it, even though it pretty much is a cartoon that's just made by people from Asia. |
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| I don't get upset about it. They are cartoons either way I look at it. The audience is different, but they're still cartoons. |
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| I did when I started to watch anime but now not so much because they just don't know any better. |
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| Well what it a cartoon anyway. I know its Anime is an Animated motion picture. But then so is western cartoons. You can compare the two "technically". But story wise and art wise they are totally different. |
| It"s all about context. To use this analogy: It's politically correct, and maybe technically accurate, to refer to Barack Obama, as the first "black President". Yet, if even in 2011, a newspaper still consistently says "Barack Hussein Obama, the Black President did this and that" in every single article, even those that have nothing to do with it, that's probably a racist paper, and the word "black" was intended to have an offensive edge. Likewise, there are many instances where it's ok to use the technically accurate term, "cartoons" for all animation. For example, if I'm intentionally making a point about the universal properties of 2D animation, and don't want to type the phrase " Both western animation and anime" every time, I can use this shorter term for both. Or when someone just doesn't care, like my mother who can't even learn the difference between Anime and Manga, simply uses the term that is more natural to her. But in my experience, whenever people on the nerdy side of the internet refer to anime as "Japanese cartoons", like in "Why are there so many japanese cartoon avatars here?" or "Why do all those japanese cartoon characters look so white?", that almost always intended to have a sublty offensive edge. They KNOW the phrase "anime". It is a shorter, more practical phrase. They probably also know that even if not all, but at least some of the anime fans dislike the phrase. If they still go out of their way to use it, that's probably because they intended to make a point with it. |
| I don't personally get upset about it. In fact, that's what I call them, right behind me just calling them "shows". Even though I am a big fan, I get slight chills saying the word "anime". |
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| It tends to not bother me since I don't like to get worked up over trivial matters. |
| Not really, I mean the idea that anime is somehow "different" is what lets the studios get away with so much garbage. For example, the fact that so much anime has no plot and is just a bunch of flashing lights and tits is excused because that's the way anime is in a way that no Western cartoon ever would be. And the fact that they are cartoons. |
| What difference does it make? Pisses me off more when they don't even know what anime is. |
| Yes, apparently, anime IS better than 'cartoons', but I don't really mind people calling Japanese animation 'cartoons'. In fact, I don't understand why many people get upset at this when it obviously IS a 'cartoon' since it's animated and surreal. Cartoons is typically an animation all in all so I have no problem with people calling japanese animation 'cartoons'. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
notsureifsrs said: I don't give a damn. They're cartoons. I watch cartoons. This. I don't have a weeaboo perspective on life, fortunately. |
| I pretty much use the two interchangeably since they mean the same thing. My family's heard me call Spongebob, Kim Possible, and Avatar anime about as many times as I've called Durarara and Naruto cartoons. They know what I mean anyway, so I don't see the big deal. Anime= Animation. Animation usually means cartoons. They're both animated, they're both cartoons, they're both anime. |
| I dont really get upset that much but when I do its mostly cause someone says anime is similar to the trash cartoons you see on american tv nowadays. |
Lazurin said: Anime= Animation. Animation usually means cartoons. They're both animated, they're both cartoons, they're both anime. Yes and no. |
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| Well since we already know what anime is, I think the real question should be about what exactly is a "Cartoon"? |
| I don't get angry but I do get a little annoyed. Cartoon usually means animations for children and I don't feel like grouping anime with shows like tom&jerry, spongebob, and dexter is right. |
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Anime_Name said: Lazurin said: Anime= Animation. Animation usually means cartoons. They're both animated, they're both cartoons, they're both anime. Yes and no. Yes and no? |
| The only reason I get upset is because people will say it inferring that I'm too old to be watching it. For example, when my father would see me watching Anime, he'll say 'stop watching those cartoons', as if they were designed for little children. On the other hand if someone called it a cartoon because they didn't know what it was, and simply had to resort to calling it that, I wouldn't mind at all. |
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 of course I don't care, |
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| I don't get too upset. But I just don't like it when ppl think there the same, and that cartoons are kiddy like. |
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| i dont give a shit, i mean its true, its not like cartoons mean kids oriented anymore i mean christ theres probably more adult themed cartoons out there now than kid themed ones, |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Hell yes!! This is a cartoon This is an anime You see the big difference. |
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| Sometimes I get angry as hell, but do not show it. But anyway I correct their mistake. |
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| It doesn't make any difference if they call it "cartoons" or "anime" I might jokingly say that calling anime "cartoons" to my friend. But really, as long as we're on the same page, call them however you want. |
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| question. Has there ever been a serious north american cartoon(can't think of one right now)? If there hasn't, then I'd be a little upset, but if so, meh not really. |
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Kaz2013 said: tell me the difference hereHell yes!! This is a cartoon This is an anime You see the big difference. tell me the difference, i freaking dare you, its because people try to seperate anime so much as "its own thing" that its so outcousted by the western culture, its the same freaking thing, so they are different style BIG FUCKING WOOP, games have different graphics and style but they are all still video games only difference is anime is more oriented at seriousness than western and while there are plenty of comedical anime there are more seirous and comedical and a magority of those comedies get serious quite often, where its the oppossite in the west where there are more comedies than serious and many of those serious ones get comedical |
JizzyHitlerJan 3, 2012 5:00 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Call Jap. Animation cartoons? Why should it bother anyone? He said something. K move on. |
| Those who think Anime with a story is the same as cartoons are clearly ignorant or do not know the difference. Moving back on to the OP's question, i personally do not get upset because i couldn't care more or less what they think. All i know is that what they show here in the UK on television is pretty much 100% brainwashing cartoons and no anime except for the obvious 2, Naruto and Bleach. |
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SSJBeastmode said: question. Has there ever been a serious north american cartoon(can't think of one right now)? If there hasn't, then I'd be a little upset, but if so, meh not really. the only thing is avatar the last air bender but no ones taken a hint from that |
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Kaz2013 said: Hell yes!! You see the big difference. You can tell the difference between Japanese cartoons and cartoons from everywhere else? Then you should be able to tell what is a anime a cartoon made in Japan for a Japanese audience and a non-anime a cartoon made anywhere else but Japan and not made primarily for a Japanese audience. Can you see the difference? Here is a hint- one is Chinese,one is Serbian,Two are American and the rest are Japanese.    |
ezikialrageJan 3, 2012 9:23 PM
| @ezikialrage,I see the difference. But if you want to prove your point better, then you'd be better off using anime from this century that is newer. Better art styles have developed. Your comparison pics could look more different from each other if they didn't look like they were all drawn during the 1990's... but yeah I get your point. |
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| Yep, I do n_n. The I start saying something like "It's not cartoon, it's anime." No matter what they say. It'll not change a thing, these conversations can only end with me saying "it's not cartoon, it's anime!", because after a while whoever sayed it was cartoon will get bored and annoyed and leave ^-^ For some reason it's like pointing at a tiger and saying "Hey, look, a cat over there!" No matter how much they say it's a cat, it'll still be a tiger, even if they're both feline. It's the same thing to call an anime a cartoon. They're different things. |
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Remnants- said: @ezikialrage,I see the difference. But if you want to prove your point better, then you'd be better off using anime from this century that is newer. Better art styles have developed. Your comparison pics could look more different from each other if they didn't look like they were all drawn during the 1990's... but yeah I get your point. Only 3 of the animations are not made in this century.One was made in the early 70s the other two are early 80s and mid 90s. Do you know which is anime and what isn't? |
ezikialrageJan 3, 2012 9:37 PM
Remnants- said: @ezikialrage,I see the difference. But if you want to prove your point better, then you'd be better off using anime from this century that is newer. Better art styles have developed. Your comparison pics could look more different from each other if they didn't look like they were all drawn during the 1990's... but yeah I get your point. I thought looks was one of the lesser determining, superficial, factors used when trying to determine what area something belongs in. |
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Anime_Name said: Remnants- said: @ezikialrage,I see the difference. But if you want to prove your point better, then you'd be better off using anime from this century that is newer. Better art styles have developed. Your comparison pics could look more different from each other if they didn't look like they were all drawn during the 1990's... but yeah I get your point. I thought looks was one of the lesser determining, superficial, factors used when trying to determine what area something belongs in. Yes yes, the plot is the main difference between the two. But still...looks are one of the easier things to compare when trying to compare and contrast regular cartoons from anime. In fact, for people who don''t watch either one, its the only way they can tell the difference. Not like those people's opinions matter much though. |
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| Personally i hate it its annoying cuz i dont find anime in any way a cartoon |
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