Ardanaz said: Lo-Lee-Ta said: @Ardanaz You haven't addressed why improved modding can't deal with the problem. A rule isn't even necessary. If it's a workload thing why not just recruit more mods. There are always volunteers ready. I have. It's creating a very toxic atmosphere and is scaring many users off. Point me to those volunteers please. I can volunteer to mediate debates? That sounds like my dream job. |
Nyu said: traed said: I didn't mean it removes people from society or but that it is acting in a way that these things have no importance and can be hid from. Well I meant the more wide sweeping the rules you all can get swamped with reports if people reported every instance and I just brought up the episode discussion to demonstrate how engrained and intertwined these things are with everything and how it means there are hundreds and thousands of threads that could potentially require moderation. Too much of a back log would stop mod effectiveness by creating slow reactions. That's part of why having rules too wide sweeping and strict can have a negative effect. Though i don't know if it will overall work more positive or more negative but I don't think collateral damage is something to not try to avoid. You were spamming threads, so don't act like its my fault that rule 7 was enacted. You said threads so show two...you can't because I don't spam. I have extensive discussion that relates to the topic and if it doesn't relate it's just in response to someone like you who already derailed it. Even with the new rules I wouldn't wind up breaking them anywhere near as much as you and your LARPing group. Ardanaz said: Lo-Lee-Ta said: @Ardanaz You haven't addressed why improved modding can't deal with the problem. A rule isn't even necessary. If it's a workload thing why not just recruit more mods. There are always volunteers ready. I have. It's creating a very toxic atmosphere and is scaring many users off. Point me to those volunteers please. I would moderate in the future if I'm alive and in better situation and computer setup and still have time. Can't do it now for same reason I turned it down when asked in the past. Polarc said: Moreover, extremely trivial threads that were obvious bait. Your threads probably inspired this more than traed's, but that simply speaks to the fact that certain viewpoints are taboo to the point that the mods feel a huge pressure to suppress them. I disagree with much of your worldview, but there's no question that your threads tend to be honest expressions of it. The only trolling and abuse starts when the left rolls in and starts demanding that you be banned. For example, what was wrong with the "racial superstate" thread? It may be an out there idea, but why can't we consider it? The left immediately rolled in with their "I can't even" responses. These crybullies are why this shit is happening, and it's why free speech is being eroded generally. Don't compare posts he made in CD with ones I made in CE just because you're offended at the non offensive and in denial. I actual kept making threads on certain topics to help balance CE out and to report on things no one else was to help ad variety. I will continue doing so if any future events take place. I just don't make CD threads very often but have made quite a few in the past revolving around a wide range of subjects. Nyu in CE literally uses sources like the Daily Stormer (just once for that one though thankfully to my recall) that incite racial and xenophobic hatred are not reliable and promote conspiracy theories. All of Nyu's threads in CD and CE are on the same rehashed topic and poorley presented with loads of inaccuracies he repeatedly affirma after proven wrong. Yet I still actually take time to humour his trash ideology and listen to what he says and try to consider it. He is very unconvincing just as many who have same views. |
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PsychoticDave said: Mate, even I myself would like to become a MAL mod, if it worked properly.Ardanaz said: I have. It's creating a very toxic atmosphere and is scaring many users off. Point me to those volunteers please. I can volunteer to mediate debates? That sounds like my dream job. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Wow, you literally can't talk about anything anymore lmao. |
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| How long will it takes till people figure out the politcally charged topics that Rule 7 forgot to cover? Or when proper passive trolling adapts? Without proper moderation this rule is only a temporary band aid. |
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Usagi said: Wow, you literally can't talk about anything anymore lmao. You can still debate economics still talk about recent murders. Still talk about technological advancements. Still talk about philosophy. Not everything revolves around race and sex. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
traed said: Don't compare posts he made in CD with ones I made in CE just because you're offended at the non offensive and in denial. I actual kept making threads on certain topics to help balance CE out and to report on things no one else was to help ad variety. I will continue doing so if any future events take place. I just don't make CD threads very often but have made quite a few in the past revolving around a wide range of subjects. Nyu in CE literally uses sources like the Daily Stormer (just once for that one though thankfully to my recall) that incite racial and xenophobic hatred are not reliable and promote conspiracy theories. All of Nyu's threads in CD and CE are on the same rehashed topic and poorley presented with loads of inaccuracies he repeatedly affirma after proven wrong. Yet I still actually take time to humour his trash ideology and listen to what he says and try to consider it. He is very unconvincing just as many who have same views. I'm not offended, and I'd actually say your trivial threads should be treated leniently. However, if we're going to lock threads, yours tend to be more lockable than his. There has to be a threshold of triviality. Otherwise, everyone can just spam the forums with threads on every court document that comes into existence from here on. So the Daily Stormer has promoted conspiracy theories. Okay, so does the New York Times with "the Russia scandal" and the fake Syrian gas attacks. Which is worse, and on what criteria? I think both seem rather unreliable, but I have no basis to say the Stormer is worse in terms of presenting facts. I would simply criticize people who use either as a source, but it's likely that both sources will generally point to real events in the world, and from there we can discern where any misinformation might be, and perhaps link a better source. Okay, so you think you won arguments against him and you call his ideology trash. So what? Look, we both dislike Rule 7, but don't try to square the circle such that only people on the far right get banned. Just fight Nyu's speech with your own, as you've been doing, and hopefully the mods will see that this is more trouble than it's worth. |
hazarddex said: Usagi said: Wow, you literally can't talk about anything anymore lmao. You can still debate economics still talk about recent murders. Still talk about technological advancements. Still talk about philosophy. Not everything revolves around race and sex. Economics is a political ideology. Murders is a social issue. Technology may offend the religious. Philosphy is an ideology and can deal with controversial subjects. Polarc said: traed said: Don't compare posts he made in CD with ones I made in CE just because you're offended at the non offensive and in denial. I actual kept making threads on certain topics to help balance CE out and to report on things no one else was to help ad variety. I will continue doing so if any future events take place. I just don't make CD threads very often but have made quite a few in the past revolving around a wide range of subjects. Nyu in CE literally uses sources like the Daily Stormer (just once for that one though thankfully to my recall) that incite racial and xenophobic hatred are not reliable and promote conspiracy theories. All of Nyu's threads in CD and CE are on the same rehashed topic and poorley presented with loads of inaccuracies he repeatedly affirma after proven wrong. Yet I still actually take time to humour his trash ideology and listen to what he says and try to consider it. He is very unconvincing just as many who have same views. I'm not offended, and I'd actually say your trivial threads should be treated leniently. However, if we're going to lock threads, yours tend to be more lockable than his. There has to be a threshold of triviality. Otherwise, everyone can just spam the forums with threads on every court document that comes into existence from here on. So the Daily Stormer has promoted conspiracy theories. Okay, so does the New York Times with "the Russia scandal" and the fake Syrian gas attacks. Which is worse, and on what criteria? I think both seem rather unreliable, but I have no basis to say the Stormer is worse in terms of presenting facts. I would simply criticize people who use either as a source, but it's likely that both sources will generally point to real events in the world, and from there we can discern where any misinformation might be, and perhaps link a better source. Okay, so you think you won arguments against him and you call his ideology trash. So what? Look, we both dislike Rule 7, but don't try to square the circle such that only people on the far right get banned. Just fight Nyu's speech with your own, as you've been doing, and hopefully the mods will see that this is more trouble than it's worth. If you weren't offended you wouldn't call arrests of people planning and attempting terrorist attacks and the downfall of major hate groups as trivual. I don't even have a preference for using NewYorkTimes and never talked about that subject in such a way. Me? More like everyone. If you like him so much marry him. |
traedApr 30, 2018 3:37 AM
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traed said: If you weren't offended you wouldn't call arrests of people planning and attempting terrorist attacks and the downfall of major hate groups as trivual. I don't even have a preference for using NewYorkTimes and never talked about that subject in such a way. Me? More like everyone. If you like him so much marry him. Yeah no, I mean the thread about some drama related to a Frenchman's dick, and then threads on Neo Nazi discord groups or some shit. Also, I see no evidence that "Aryan Strikeforce" is a "major hate group". They didn't even have a Wiki. All you could dredge up was this weird Russian site with nothing on it. It had FBI written all over it. Only an idiot would join such a thing. The mods have presented NYT as one of the "reputable sources" that we're allowed to use. They are not a reputable source to any savvy person. They engage in wild conspiracies designed to bring the US into insane wars, and peddle fake news constantly. There is no basis whatsoever for saying they are more legitimate than the average independent, online source. The number of people who hate the guy is irrelevant to whether or not he is breaking any rules. The only way I can see him as breaking rules on a regular basis is if a certain point on the political compass in and of itself is against the rules. |
PolarcApr 30, 2018 5:52 AM
PsychoticDave said: They pack so much additional Tasks in the Job Description for "Forum Moderators" that have nothing to do with mediating Debates. I can volunteer to mediate debates? That sounds like my dream job. |
traed said: Nyu said: You were spamming threads, so don't act like its my fault that rule 7 was enacted. You said threads so show two...you can't because I don't spam. I have extensive discussion that relates to the topic and if it doesn't relate it's just in response to someone like you who already derailed it. Even with the new rules I wouldn't wind up breaking them anywhere near as much as you and your LARPing group. Ardanaz said: I have. It's creating a very toxic atmosphere and is scaring many users off. Point me to those volunteers please. I would moderate in the future if I'm alive and in better situation and computer setup and still have time. Can't do it now for same reason I turned it down when asked in the past. Polarc said: Moreover, extremely trivial threads that were obvious bait. Your threads probably inspired this more than traed's, but that simply speaks to the fact that certain viewpoints are taboo to the point that the mods feel a huge pressure to suppress them. I disagree with much of your worldview, but there's no question that your threads tend to be honest expressions of it. The only trolling and abuse starts when the left rolls in and starts demanding that you be banned. For example, what was wrong with the "racial superstate" thread? It may be an out there idea, but why can't we consider it? The left immediately rolled in with their "I can't even" responses. These crybullies are why this shit is happening, and it's why free speech is being eroded generally. Don't compare posts he made in CD with ones I made in CE just because you're offended at the non offensive and in denial. I actual kept making threads on certain topics to help balance CE out and to report on things no one else was to help ad variety. I will continue doing so if any future events take place. I just don't make CD threads very often but have made quite a few in the past revolving around a wide range of subjects. Nyu in CE literally uses sources like the Daily Stormer (just once for that one though thankfully to my recall) that incite racial and xenophobic hatred are not reliable and promote conspiracy theories. All of Nyu's threads in CD and CE are on the same rehashed topic and poorley presented with loads of inaccuracies he repeatedly affirma after proven wrong. Yet I still actually take time to humour his trash ideology and listen to what he says and try to consider it. He is very unconvincing just as many who have same views. Spamming Nazi threads. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724090&show=50#post53 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1721298&show=0#post14 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1717948&show=50#post81 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1714459&show=100#post146 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1713790&show=0#post38 |
Noboru said: PsychoticDave said: They pack so much additional Tasks in the Job Description for "Forum Moderators" that have nothing to do with mediating Debates. I can volunteer to mediate debates? That sounds like my dream job. I could have the title 'Debate Mediater'. Only monitor CE and CD because let's be real it's 90% debates. Someone throws out an insult, that's a personal foul. Strike one of three for the debate. |
PsychoticDave said: Great Idea, however, it's very unlikely to be implemented. Noboru said: They pack so much additional Tasks in the Job Description for "Forum Moderators" that have nothing to do with mediating Debates. I could have the title 'Debate Mediater'. Only monitor CE and CD because let's be real it's 90% debates. Someone throws out an insult, that's a personal foul. Strike one of three for the debate. |
Nyu said: Spamming Nazi threads. Just because your LARPing buddies get arrested or cause trouble so much doesn't make it spamming. Spamming broke previous rules yet I never had a thread deleted except once when a mod mistakenly for no real reason thought the thread was only meant for specific users just because I did an @ at the end to bring a few in. Also you do realize I was trying to balance out CE from users like you, right? |
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Nyu said: traed said: You said threads so show two...you can't because I don't spam. I have extensive discussion that relates to the topic and if it doesn't relate it's just in response to someone like you who already derailed it. Even with the new rules I wouldn't wind up breaking them anywhere near as much as you and your LARPing group. I would moderate in the future if I'm alive and in better situation and computer setup and still have time. Can't do it now for same reason I turned it down when asked in the past. Don't compare posts he made in CD with ones I made in CE just because you're offended at the non offensive and in denial. I actual kept making threads on certain topics to help balance CE out and to report on things no one else was to help ad variety. I will continue doing so if any future events take place. I just don't make CD threads very often but have made quite a few in the past revolving around a wide range of subjects. Nyu in CE literally uses sources like the Daily Stormer (just once for that one though thankfully to my recall) that incite racial and xenophobic hatred are not reliable and promote conspiracy theories. All of Nyu's threads in CD and CE are on the same rehashed topic and poorley presented with loads of inaccuracies he repeatedly affirma after proven wrong. Yet I still actually take time to humour his trash ideology and listen to what he says and try to consider it. He is very unconvincing just as many who have same views. Spamming Nazi threads. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724090&show=50#post53 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1721298&show=0#post14 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1717948&show=50#post81 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1714459&show=100#post146 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1713790&show=0#post38 spamming would have to be within one day not spread out over weeks. i.e spamming multiple threads in one channel in a single day. also one thread doesn't even have to do with neo nazi's directly other then people being arrested for peaceful protests against them. again Nyu do you read your own "evidences" or just spam links hoping people don't check? if you have to go back weeks and months to find each one that is hardly spamming. there only two that could barely be considered spamming. apr 23 11 day diffrences Apr 12, 14 day differences Mar 31 Mar 17, 2 day differences Mar 15, i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. you can find all the respective bait threads just by searching user history, lol |
removed-userApr 30, 2018 12:46 PM
nicethings said: hazarddex said: i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. you can find all the respective bait threads just by searching user history, lol the fun times of CE/CD becoming a constant battlefront of Nyu vs everyone. |
| I did Nazi this coming, the Incels must be furherous |
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hazarddex said: Nyu said: Spamming Nazi threads. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724090&show=50#post53 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1721298&show=0#post14 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1717948&show=50#post81 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1714459&show=100#post146 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1713790&show=0#post38 spamming would have to be within one day not spread out over weeks. i.e spamming multiple threads in one channel in a single day. also one thread doesn't even have to do with neo nazi's directly other then people being arrested for peaceful protests against them. again Nyu do you read your own "evidences" or just spam links hoping people don't check? if you have to go back weeks and months to find each one that is hardly spamming. there only two that could barely be considered spamming. apr 23 11 day diffrences Apr 12, 14 day differences Mar 31 Mar 17, 2 day differences Mar 15, i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. People were saying the European Military was weak, I pointed out that the European Military isn't weak, as there is America, which is a European Nation. nicethings said: hazarddex said: i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. you can find all the respective bait threads just by searching user history, lol Most of those threads have nothing to do with race. |
Nyu said: hazarddex said: spamming would have to be within one day not spread out over weeks. i.e spamming multiple threads in one channel in a single day. also one thread doesn't even have to do with neo nazi's directly other then people being arrested for peaceful protests against them. again Nyu do you read your own "evidences" or just spam links hoping people don't check? if you have to go back weeks and months to find each one that is hardly spamming. there only two that could barely be considered spamming. apr 23 11 day diffrences Apr 12, 14 day differences Mar 31 Mar 17, 2 day differences Mar 15, i should also point out you literally came into a thread about a military parade and tried to make it about race. so ya if anyone is guilty of most the flame wars on this board its you. People were saying the European Military was weak, I pointed out that the European Military isn't weak, as there is America, which is a European Nation. Most of those threads have nothing to do with race. the military parade thread wasn't even about the europe army it was a thread on trump wanting a military parade. and you made a comment about race that had nothing to do with the thread. you have a poor memory. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1705614 also nice try on trying to delete your own post to avoid getting in trouble. also most of those you made are about race war baiting. that is literally all you ever talk about. |
GrimAtramentApr 30, 2018 6:24 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| The way I see it, there were two real solutions. One was rule 7, other is just ban a lot of those users. either would have been met with backlash of some sort, personally I am indifferent to rule 7 as to be honest CE has been a shit show for a good while now. Do I prefer this to the shit show? Almost certainly. |
  come, you sweet hour of death |
| Thread from reputable source literally used in the examples Is about a study so is significant Less than two weeks old No verbal attacks going on Locked https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724432 WTF? How could they ezpect anyone to follow rules when how they apply them defies the written rules |
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 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
deg said: traed said: Thread from reputable source literally used in the examples Is about a study so is significant Less than two weeks old No verbal attacks going on Locked https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724432 WTF? How could they ezpect anyone to follow rules when how they apply them defies the written rules yep lol this is what the rule says >c. be of significance (e.g. changing legislature, Nature/Science journal articles, unexpected world events, etc.) so science studies are not significant events? what that rules says then? and the source is from New York Times a reliable news site plus the title is thesame with the article Except, as I've demonstrated over and over, the New York Times is not a reputable source, at least relative to sources that MAL censors. The only reason to consider them more reputable than a variety of independent sources is pure appeal to authority, nothing else. They are neoliberal warmongers, and as such, are not to be taken seriously. |
PolarcMay 18, 2018 1:32 AM
Nokkun said: As @Ardanaz has said, most of those threads were highly abused by a lot of users. Even if you wanted to have a civilised debate over a topic, a vast number of people would go there to troll/flame and purpose of the thread would be lost. Also, a lot of the threads made "recently", had shitty websites as a source or didn't even have one. They were just opinions, normally hateful ones. Plus, there are some users here who were creating accounts just for the purpose of trolling and flaming those threads. Bottom line, it became impossible to have any meaningful discussion here. No one can bring any sort of basis to this idea that these sources tended to be worse than CNN or the New York Times. You have to be pretty damn shitty to be less credible than the people who tell us it's illegal to read Wikileaks. Yes, and I'm sure loli threads or whatever gets the seal of approval here is much more meaningful than politics. Give me a break. Why don't the mods just allow for heated threads? Why let people who don't know how to not click on a thread decide things? |
| I didn't even see when the new rule was made, then I noticed threads being locked for being controversial. The new rule sucks. |
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1. Please refrain from creating threads that do not encourage discussion 6. Casual Discussion is also not a sex board. Thread topics about sexually explicit material are not allowed and will be removed. This includes, but is not limited to, discussions about: porn material or the industry, pedophilia, masturbation, sexual fetishes or preferences, and sexual experiences. 7. Controversial/sensitive topics liable to incite rule violations (trolling, flaming, abuse) are no longer allowed. Please use the Current Events board for new developments in these topics, and follow the board rules there. This includes, but is not limited to, topics which: a. aim to profile/stereotype, or question the legitimacy of, people based on their gender, sexual orientation, race, xenophobia, religion, etc. b. discuss highly-debated social issues; e.g. abortion, sexual assault, immigration, etc. c. focus on political ideologies and events; e.g. Nazism, fascism, world leaders, controversial laws/lobbies, etc. wew lad you literally can't talk about anything on here. |
| The mods are being a bunch of chickens, plain a simple. Ban controversial topics on the internet? I mean that's patently absurd... I think that the mods like many others in this modern day are being called upon to wake up and face the music - this isn't your conversation. And yes this is the kind of shit that makes people vote for Trump :< I'd rather join the alt-right then have the conversation short stopped... |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Gan_water said: The mods are being a bunch of chickens, plain a simple. Ban controversial topics on the internet? I mean that's patently absurd... I think that the mods like many others in this modern day are being called upon to wake up and face the music - this isn't your conversation. And yes this is the kind of shit that makes people vote for Trump :< I'd rather join the alt-right then have the conversation short stopped... Trying to suppress speech never works. Sure, you can ban obvious obscenity, gore etc. No one wants to see that. Banning controversial ideas and political speech is what will eventually lead to revolution though. Also, banning any source willing to discuss things the MSM won't by itself suppresses a huge range of ideas and perspectives. You can say, "this is just MAL", but it doesn't matter. The erosion of free speech is happening everywhere, and in fact, in the US, it's mostly private companies that are to blame. The government isn't what made James Damore unemployable in the tech world after Google fired him for his opinions. |
Polarc said: Gan_water said: The mods are being a bunch of chickens, plain a simple. Ban controversial topics on the internet? I mean that's patently absurd... I think that the mods like many others in this modern day are being called upon to wake up and face the music - this isn't your conversation. And yes this is the kind of shit that makes people vote for Trump :< I'd rather join the alt-right then have the conversation short stopped... Trying to suppress speech never works. Sure, you can ban obvious obscenity, gore etc. No one wants to see that. Banning controversial ideas and political speech is what will eventually lead to revolution though. Also, banning any source willing to discuss things the MSM won't by itself suppresses a huge range of ideas and perspectives. You can say, "this is just MAL", but it doesn't matter. The erosion of free speech is happening everywhere, and in fact, in the US, it's mostly private companies that are to blame. The government isn't what made James Damore unemployable in the tech world after Google fired him for his opinions. Yeah, I feel like it's done under the illusion of taking care of people when in reality it does anything but that. There's nothing to fear from clashing ideas even if it does create lowbrow personal attacks lol. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| The most shittiest rule that ever happened to MyAnimeList. I'm guessing whoever made this rule hates actual discussions lmao So anyways whats your thoughts on CD Rule #7? If any fourm mods are seeing this, please for the sake of the majority of MAL users. Remove this shitty rule. |
| I think CD Rule #7 is actually pretty useful. This is, after all, primarily a site about anime and manga, rather than politics or other highly contentious topics. In my view, the rule help keeps the community from fragmenting over things totally unrelated to our hobby. If you'd like to have those discussions, no one is stopping you from using PM, Comment sections, or even voice chat such as Discord. |
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| It's absurd, they should just ban certain problem users instead. (especially the sensationalist --ALEX-- and the race-baiter Nyu) I honestly think that DeNA is making them do this to "sanitize" the forum and make it more like the cancer that is Crunchyroll forums, and the people who run this site only care about money and corporate sponsors. |
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| Maybe its something to Separate CD (Casual Discussion;more Chill talk about things other than anime) from CE (Current Events; Political stuff mostly). They want people to know that there is a time and a Place for everything. They know that people tand to post Stuff that belongs to CE in CD so they made a rule prohiting that kind of thing in that part of the forums. They also want to Preserve their public Image. |
GokaiKingOct 16, 2018 9:59 AM
  愛がなければ、見えない。 Without Love, the truth cannot be seen. |
Vulze said: 8 moderators would have been more than enough, had they only had to take care of the forums. But forum moderating is only one of the many tasks of a forum moderator. Having to babysit the IRC and possibly: the Discord server as well at the same time can't work very well.To me this suggests they've had sufficient bad experiences in the past with this kind of threads. It must be nearly impossible to effectively patrol the various boards with a team of 8 moderators. |
Vulze said: Rule #7 Added. In an effort to curb the amount of toxicity present in Casual Discussion, as well as to hopefully reduce the likelihood of rule violations enabled by such threads, controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. When in doubt, please contact a forum moderator. To me this suggests they've had sufficient bad experiences in the past with this kind of threads. It must be nearly impossible to effectively patrol the various boards with a team of 8 moderators. What's more, it makes little sense to create conditions known to lead users to break other rules. I am neither saying I agree nor that there is no argument to be made, but you certainly aren't doing yourself any favours by demonizing the other side and jumping to conclusions. If they can't effectively patrol the boards with a team of 8 moderators. The easy solution to that is to get way more fourm mods instead of making a rule that basically locks any controversial discussion. |
| i do not think dat rule is why actual discussions are being discouraged but rather it is the users there will be users who wish to turn this kind of topic into a boiling debate and say things that are inflammatory i do not like this idea but i guess without r7 this forum will be quite messy imo as mal is a site primarily for discussing and sharing thoughts on anime and manga |
Vulze said: And all of that would be manageable if there weren't the need for so many extra activities and reports. Smaller boards can easily handle with 1-2 mods and so much activity isn't on this whole page, either. Point is, much of the stuff is rather harmless and doesn't even need to be viewed as a rule breaking or being worthy of reporting. People have a self-interest in following rules to get a normal climate of conversing with others.I mean, there's the support and suggestions board, all the general boards, plus the anime & manga boards, including the myriad of series discussions... and I suppose they also have to deal with other issues users have outside the forum. It's a team of 8 moderators, probably with different time zones and routines, hard to expect half of them to be online simultaneously and to be able to effectively and promptly keep order in every board. None of them is online right now, for instance. Which leads to my statement: some people have become too sensitive that they would rather kill possible discussions than to have other people state things they don't like to read. |
| I think it's a good rule. CE was even more cancerous before that rule was added. |
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| it's lazy mods dont want to do their job so they create a rule to do it for them and on what basis can you say something is controversial were not all the same |
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| To be honest, we wouldn't need rule #7 if we just had more active mods. I like discussing controversial topics.... |
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