Perquisitore said: They aren't relatable or interesting enough. I thought I could only like male characters, I couldn't find any female character likeable enough (Rukia, Riko Aida and a few more are fine but that's all) until I began to read comics. And with comics I mean superheroes and such. Those female characters are more interesting, finally I've found female characters I like. Black Widow, Jean Grey, Storm, etc. Take Revy, for example, from Black Lagoon. Yup, she kick butts and such and blah blah blah but I didn't find her interesting. A strong woman (or man) doesn't need to kick butts and that's all, she needs more attributes and I usually can't find them in anime. I didn't like Mirai Nikki and Elfen Lied either... that's what I'm saying... I need to read Claymore though. Maybe I'm watching the wrong ones, but if the "good ones" are Revy, Yuno or Lucy then what a pain. Really. What a pain. You've watched Madoka Magica. Homura is one like you're looking for. And no, who the hell said Yuno is the best? |
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AzureDaora said: Perquisitore said: They aren't relatable or interesting enough. I thought I could only like male characters, I couldn't find any female character likeable enough (Rukia, Riko Aida and a few more are fine but that's all) until I began to read comics. And with comics I mean superheroes and such. Those female characters are more interesting, finally I've found female characters I like. Black Widow, Jean Grey, Storm, etc. Take Revy, for example, from Black Lagoon. Yup, she kick butts and such and blah blah blah but I didn't find her interesting. A strong woman (or man) doesn't need to kick butts and that's all, she needs more attributes and I usually can't find them in anime. I didn't like Mirai Nikki and Elfen Lied either... that's what I'm saying... I need to read Claymore though. Maybe I'm watching the wrong ones, but if the "good ones" are Revy, Yuno or Lucy then what a pain. Really. What a pain. You've watched Madoka Magica. Homura is one like you're looking for. And no, who the hell said Yuno is the best? I don't like Homura tbh. And about Yuno... well, OP said some animes and one of them was Mirai Nikki, so I guess he's talking about Yuno. |
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| People are taking in their own taste on this thread, but that's not exactly the point. The OP was talking about whether or not anime have enough number of brave and strong female characters, you liking them isn't really part of it. Yes, even Yuno. There a lot of them. Perhaps it can be argued as to what a "strong and brave" female character actually is, but nonetheless there are a lot of female animu characters that are able to stand up on their own and fight. They don't even have to fight, they can just be strong-willed, like Kawashima from Toradora. |
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AzureDaora said: People are taking in their own taste on this thread, but that's not exactly the point. The OP was talking about whether or not anime have enough number of brave and strong female characters, you liking them isn't really part of it. Yes, even Yuno. There a lot of them. Perhaps it can be argued as to what a "strong and brave" female character actually is, but nonetheless there are a lot of female animu characters that are able to stand up on their own and fight. They don't even have to fight, they can just be strong-willed, like Kawashima from Toradora. And I wasn't talking about that. |
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Perquisitore said: AzureDaora said: People are taking in their own taste on this thread, but that's not exactly the point. The OP was talking about whether or not anime have enough number of brave and strong female characters, you liking them isn't really part of it. Yes, even Yuno. There a lot of them. Perhaps it can be argued as to what a "strong and brave" female character actually is, but nonetheless there are a lot of female animu characters that are able to stand up on their own and fight. They don't even have to fight, they can just be strong-willed, like Kawashima from Toradora. And I wasn't talking about that. You said the characters that people deem strong and brave weren't relatable enough, interesting enough, and you didn't like them, which is based on your taste and likes. Pray tell what you're talking about, then. |
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crystal_3001 said: So now we have Yona who is a shoujo/reverse harem heroine who does things. (I don't think you realize how big that is.) Who is the Main Character in a traditionally male storyline, the dethroned monarch taking back their throne. While she relies upon the men around her to help her, she is also taking part in fighting. It's a fantasy hero's journey with a female lead. This is rare in anime. Hell it's rare period. So yes, we're going to sing it's praises so that they know there is a market for this type of show. The thing is in this Case, you like the show and the character cuz [insert reason stated above here]. You like the series for a specific reason that can't be satisfied by just any character, that's not the case with most people it's just Oh this chick can kick ass so unique and it's not just this series whenever something like that comes up you'll hear people raving about it as if it's the first time it happened It was the same years ago with Black Lagoon, the same with Claymore, and chances are you'll hear the same words a few seasons later |
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Vexper said: Malicre said: Misato a strong and brave character? lol you have got to be joking..... No I'm not joking. She carried tremendous emotional baggage yet still displayed run of the mill human characteristics and acted extremely professional in her job. She was probably the most human person on the entire show as she showed the widest range of emotions and revealed different layers of her personality depending on who she was talking to without changing her character entirely. That's just for starters if I'm honest. I'd suggest a rewatch fella. Didn't realize that opening your legs for every guy in sight made you a strong and brave character. |
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Malicre said: Vexper said: No I'm not joking. She carried tremendous emotional baggage yet still displayed run of the mill human characteristics and acted extremely professional in her job. She was probably the most human person on the entire show as she showed the widest range of emotions and revealed different layers of her personality depending on who she was talking to without changing her character entirely. That's just for starters if I'm honest. I'd suggest a rewatch fella. Didn't realize that opening your legs for every guy in sight made you a strong and brave character. ? She was only intimate with that one guy. |
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Malicre said: Vexper said: No I'm not joking. She carried tremendous emotional baggage yet still displayed run of the mill human characteristics and acted extremely professional in her job. She was probably the most human person on the entire show as she showed the widest range of emotions and revealed different layers of her personality depending on who she was talking to without changing her character entirely. That's just for starters if I'm honest. I'd suggest a rewatch fella. Didn't realize that opening your legs for every guy in sight made you a strong and brave character. I'd like applaud your woeful analysis of a character you honestly haven't even tired to understand. Not only is your statement incorrect but if that's the sum of her character for you then godspeed. Please refer to this, and don't bother responding to me again unless you're going to use your head. Vexper said: It'd be interesting to hear anyone rebut these without being dismissive and wholly negative like Crimefridge ;o You actually managed to one up him, somehow. Good job. |
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Vexper said: Vexper said: It'd be interesting to hear anyone rebut these without being dismissive and wholly negative like Crimefridge ;o You actually managed to one up him, somehow. Good job. Did you just quote yourself and awnser yourself on purpose? |
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Malicre said: Vexper said: No I'm not joking. She carried tremendous emotional baggage yet still displayed run of the mill human characteristics and acted extremely professional in her job. She was probably the most human person on the entire show as she showed the widest range of emotions and revealed different layers of her personality depending on who she was talking to without changing her character entirely. That's just for starters if I'm honest. I'd suggest a rewatch fella. Didn't realize that opening your legs for every guy in sight made you a strong and brave character. Didn't realize that being a strong and brave character had something to do with having an active sexual life. Didn't realize either that being in a -more or less- stable relationship with one guy meant "opening your legs for every guy in sight". The more you know. |
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Darklord_bg said: Can you provide a list like the OPs where the male characters are stronger and braver? From recent years, of the top of my head, I can only think of JoJo and Hunter x Hunter, which is mostly because they are adaptations of old manga which follows more "traditional"gender roles. Surely, you jest. Hunter x Hunter does not adhere to traditional gender roles at all. There are many strong female characters in the series, including Biscuit, Machi, Tsubone, Shizuku, Canary, Spinner, Amane, Komugi, Pakunoda, Menchi, Ponzu, and Chidol. Working_Designs said: Crimefridge said: You're trying to invalidate my opinion based off a single score that the collective total of MAL rated 7.63? There wasn't anything hideously wrong with that short, and again, yes, you're off topic. Saying you won't watch an anime for personal reasons doesn't dismiss your shitty attitude of arbitrarily arguing that anime is inferior / your opinion is god when you haven't even seen the damn show. Now get. Watch the way you talk to your elders, little boy. You're resorting to using your age in order to win an argument? That is pitiful. I don't particularly like Claymore, but it's irrational to discredit a character's charisma when you haven't even watched the series the character is in. Just admit that you don't like the art style and violence of the series, and therefore view every aspect of the series in a subjectively (and unreasonably) negative manner. |
Auralee16 said: Darklord_bg said: Can you provide a list like the OPs where the male characters are stronger and braver? From recent years, of the top of my head, I can only think of JoJo and Hunter x Hunter, which is mostly because they are adaptations of old manga which follows more "traditional"gender roles. Surely, you jest. Hunter x Hunter does not adhere to traditional gender roles at all. There are many strong female characters in the series, including Biscuit, Machi, Tsubone, Shizuku, Canary, Spinner, Amane, Komugi, Pakunoda, Menchi, Ponzu, and Chidol. Working_Designs said: Watch the way you talk to your elders, little boy. You're resorting to using your age in order to win an argument? That is pitiful. I don't particularly like Claymore, but it's irrational to discredit a character's charisma when you haven't even watched the series the character is in. Just admit that you don't like the art style and violence of the series, and therefore view every aspect of the series in a subjectively (and unreasonably) negative manner. I already said that I didn't want to watch Claymore because it was too violent. Why are you digging this back up? Didn't it end a page or two back? Or are you that bored out of your skull, that you have nothing else to do but antagonize me? |
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Red_Keys said: Slut shaming = PATRIARCHY Oh, but women are oppressed because they sometimes have sex and that means they aren't strong or valuable characters. Women who are written as sexually active is a product of the SEXIST PATRIARCHY To put in another word, the problem is actually rooted to the cultural view of female promiscuity, where sexual assertiveness can be perceived as immoral, or for lack of better words, sluts. Sluts are always connotes with (female) prostitutes, a form of sexual exploitation by men and caters for men. It is hard for people to think that prostitutes do what they do out of their free will instead of what men wants from them, thus resulting in perceived sluts characters that by design are made to caters to men, cannot be what they are except that 'men made them to behave that way'. It is in my opinion, degrading to the integrity of the character itself. Called it 'fictional slut shaming' if you will, and its no worse than its real life counterpart. |
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Monad said: Again you said what i was thinking. If the role of every strong or brave female was to be some role model then we wouldn't be talking about anime but old bantering Disney cartoons. I'm arguing that the OP's statement that "women have strong and brave female women" in anime is bullshit. To say "women have" implies they can be used as role models, or even attempt to emulate female normalcy without perpetuating male sexist myth. The character being "strong" or "brave" doesn't mean anything if their male-centered. The entire basis for this thread is that the OP is arguing that women have role models / representation, but the reality is that they are completely underrepresented. Even Akatsuki no Yona, the anime the OP mentions in the OP, has examples of sexism, and not just the kind that historically would be accurate to reflect the era of the show. Well-meaning female mangaka, script writers, and animators all can still perpetuate the sexist reality that doesn't accompany female equality. They unintentionally maintain the myth for the mere concept that they themselves don't know of a world different where women have certain roles in society. Am I saying this is the case for everyone? No. Am I saying that the anime that shows female equality or even the transparency of the female plight is lacking? Abso-fucking-lutely. |
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Working_Designs said: I already said that I didn't want to watch Claymore because it was too violent. Why are you digging this back up? Didn't it end a page or two back? Or are you that bored out of your skull, that you have nothing else to do but antagonize me? How is responding to a day-old post considered “digging [the discussion] back up”? I was interested in viewing other’s opinions on this topic, and I discovered your biased view on Teresa’s charisma. I’ve watched enough of Claymore to believe that Teresa is charismatic. You can’t determine that a character doesn’t have charisma if you find him or her “ugly and pale as a ghost.” Charisma isn’t solely based upon one’s physical appearance. You had to have watched the series to draw a reasonable conclusion about the character. Otherwise, it’s a baseless assumption on your part. If you had watched Claymore and deemed that Teresa has no charisma, then that’s fine with me. However, as you said, you didn’t want to watch Claymore because it was too violent, thus you can’t fairly judge whether a character in the series is charismatic. |
Auralee16 said: Working_Designs said: I already said that I didn't want to watch Claymore because it was too violent. Why are you digging this back up? Didn't it end a page or two back? Or are you that bored out of your skull, that you have nothing else to do but antagonize me? How is responding to a day-old post considered “digging [the discussion] back up”? I was interested in viewing other’s opinions on this topic, and I discovered your biased view on Teresa’s charisma. I’ve watched enough of Claymore to believe that Teresa is charismatic. You can’t determine that a character doesn’t have charisma if you find him or her “ugly and pale as a ghost.” Charisma isn’t solely based upon one’s physical appearance. You had to have watched the series to draw a reasonable conclusion about the character. Otherwise, it’s a baseless assumption on your part. If you had watched Claymore and deemed that Teresa has no charisma, then that’s fine with me. However, as you said, you didn’t want to watch Claymore because it was too violent, thus you can’t fairly judge whether a character in the series is charismatic. My argument began when a user told me I was crazy for saying that Rabby from Gall Force was charismatic, and shoved this "Teresa Shit" into my face. How can he(or you) argue that Teresa is any more Charismatic than Rabby, if you've never seen Gall Force yourself? Nobody wins here, because we both have different opinions on the matter, and neither of us has seen the Anime that contains the charismatic females we've been arguing about. |
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Working_Designs said: My argument began when a user told me I was crazy for saying that Rabby from Gall Force was charismatic, and shoved this "Teresa Shit" into my face. How can he(or you) argue that Teresa is any more Charismatic than Rabby, if you've never seen Gall Force yourself? Nobody wins here, because we both have different opinions on the matter, and neither of us has seen the Anime that contains the charismatic females we've been arguing about. Actually I have watched Gall Force which is exactly why I found your comparison more dumbfounding than anything. And, no I did not shove any "Teresa shit" down your throat, you simply assumed I did |
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Crimefridge said: I'm arguing that the OP's statement that "women have strong and brave female women" in anime is bullshit. To say "women have" implies they can be used as role models, or even attempt to emulate female normalcy without perpetuating male sexist myth. The character being "strong" or "brave" doesn't mean anything if their male-centered. The entire basis for this thread is that the OP is arguing that women have role models / representation, but the reality is that they are completely underrepresented. How do you end up synonymising "Strong" and "Brave" with being a role model those are completely different things especially when you consider we're talking about anime here with it's tendency towards Anti-Heroes. And alot the examples in the OP (that I know of at least) are'nt male-centric (that was kinda the point) |
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King_of_Devils said: How do you end up synonymising "Strong" and "Brave" with being a role model those are completely different things especially when you consider we're talking about anime here with it's tendency towards Anti-Heroes. And alot the examples in the OP (that I know of at least) are'nt male-centric (that was kinda the point) "A lot" I don't think you get how statistically outnumbering sexist portrayals of females in anime are to realistic versions of women. I already refuted many of the anime in the OP's list for being sexist. I don't expect a perfectly neutral non-offensive pro-woman anime to be common place, nor is that even my criteria. More like, not "taking away from" female gender. I can't help but still laugh at one of the examples listed: Gunslinger Girl The Japanese government takes near death little girls, gives them cybernetic implants and brainwashes them to obey middle aged men who they are sexually attracted to / in love with through brainwashing, and mindlessly follow orders with smiles on their faces while they gun down people, with some idiosyncratic tendencies because of their love / lack of affection from their masters. Top notch example for female liberation and normalization huh. |
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Crimefridge said: "A lot" I don't think you get how statistically outnumbering sexist portrayals of females in anime are to realistic versions of women. I already refuted many of the anime in the OP's list for being sexist. I don't expect a perfectly neutral non-offensive pro-woman anime to be common place, nor is that even my criteria. More like, not "taking away from" female gender. Neither did anyone say anything about "Realistic portrayals", cuz first of all: In that case everyone would file "Sexism" or would you imply that men's portrayal is "realistic" second of all: If you wanted realistic, I doubt you'd end up with Awe-inspiring you're thinking of. Your "rebuttals" are well...........a mixed bag |
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King_of_Devils said: Working_Designs said: My argument began when a user told me I was crazy for saying that Rabby from Gall Force was charismatic, and shoved this "Teresa Shit" into my face. How can he(or you) argue that Teresa is any more Charismatic than Rabby, if you've never seen Gall Force yourself? Nobody wins here, because we both have different opinions on the matter, and neither of us has seen the Anime that contains the charismatic females we've been arguing about. Actually I have watched Gall Force which is exactly why I found your comparison more dumbfounding than anything. And, no I did not shove any "Teresa shit" down your throat, you simply assumed I did Well, please explain how Gall Force is "Dumbfounding," because Rabby IS charismatic. You'd have to be fucking blind not to see that. Of course, I could just assume you're lying to me when you say that you've seen Gall Force, seeing how none of the Gall Force franchise is on your list. |
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Crimefridge said: King_of_Devils said: How do you end up synonymising "Strong" and "Brave" with being a role model those are completely different things especially when you consider we're talking about anime here with it's tendency towards Anti-Heroes. And alot the examples in the OP (that I know of at least) are'nt male-centric (that was kinda the point) "A lot" I don't think you get how statistically outnumbering sexist portrayals of females in anime are to realistic versions of women. I already refuted many of the anime in the OP's list for being sexist. I don't expect a perfectly neutral non-offensive pro-woman anime to be common place, nor is that even my criteria. More like, not "taking away from" female gender. I can't help but still laugh at one of the examples listed: Gunslinger Girl The Japanese government takes near death little girls, gives them cybernetic implants and brainwashes them to obey middle aged men who they are sexually attracted to / in love with through brainwashing, and mindlessly follow orders with smiles on their faces while they gun down people, with some idiosyncratic tendencies because of their love / lack of affection from their masters. Top notch example for female liberation and normalization huh. Every story can be simplified to suit your points, seriously. Then again considering you can't even differentiate Italian government to Japanese in Gunslinger girl, I don't think you worth any argument. |
Inferno_Cop said: Crimefridge said: "A lot" I don't think you get how statistically outnumbering sexist portrayals of females in anime are to realistic versions of women. I already refuted many of the anime in the OP's list for being sexist. I don't expect a perfectly neutral non-offensive pro-woman anime to be common place, nor is that even my criteria. More like, not "taking away from" female gender. I can't help but still laugh at one of the examples listed: Gunslinger Girl The Japanese government takes near death little girls, gives them cybernetic implants and brainwashes them to obey middle aged men who they are sexually attracted to / in love with through brainwashing, and mindlessly follow orders with smiles on their faces while they gun down people, with some idiosyncratic tendencies because of their love / lack of affection from their masters. Top notch example for female liberation and normalization huh. Every story can be simplified to suit your points, seriously. Then again considering you can't even differentiate Italian government to Japanese in Gunslinger girl, I don't think you worth any argument. Also to mention Gunslinger Girl is not about female liberation nor normalization, but on the ugly face of humanity where people making child soldier in real life, and how they depicted in extreme in Gunslinger Girl by the creation of brainwashed little girl cyborgs that is indoctrinated and doused with drugs to keep them from re-attaining their humanity. I think it is very petty to bring Gunslinger Girl into discussion without knowing the meaning of the show and what message it was trying to portray. If anything to be make out of it, instead it gives a clear message of how children was abused and become victims of conflicts, be it war, crime syndicates, or even sexual exploitations. |
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Working_Designs said: Well, please explain how Gall Force is "Dumbfounding," because Rabby IS charismatic. You'd have to be fucking blind not to see that. Of course, I could just assume you're lying to me when you say that you've seen Gall Force, seeing how none of the Gall Force franchise is on your list. It's not the show that I said was dumbfounding, but rather that it was the first thing you chose to represent you, considering it's pretty much just the 80s (i think) incrnation of the "let's shoehorn chicks into a typically male dominated or mixed gender setting and making it all-female cuz reasons" tropes, though I remember it being somewhat enjoyable (for both the right and wrong reasons) it's barely the 80s (I think) OVA I'd pick as some "shining example of the good ol' days"especially in the character deparment, considering they ranged mostly from laughable to forgettable to "Meh" Rabby had her moments towards the later parts, but I remember finding her annoying at first and mostly, aside from LOLworthy moments like the toilet scene,pretty forgettable. The other character you mentioned Luf(f)y, I remember liking more for her foul mouth, and she died about 20 minutes after her introduction, no anything I'd call charismatic. And I really mostly remember her for the "walking around naked" scene Also, Iwatched that OVA/Movie Way back when, and without you mentioning it, I basically forgot it's existant, hence why it's not on my list (I'll probably add it the next time I update) |
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Firelily said: Relatable strong female characters are somewhat rare in anime, the ones that don't just exist as fan service and such and never develop any real character. Especially in the big 3 shonen anime (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece), which to be fair are the first anime most people come across, seem to be very against a main female character being strong. For example Robin from One Piece was a strong bad ass character until she joined crew and then suddenly she became a weak character needing to be saved. It seems that Japanese men just find strong females very threatening. It's not like none of the Straw Hats have played the damsel in distress trope once or twice, males or females. It's not like One Piece hasn't shown female characters kicking ass and/or making important decisions. Not that I want to make this series look like an example of gender equality, but come on. You have to conveniently ignore a lot of the stuff you watch to jump to such an extreme conclusion. |
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jal90 said: Firelily said: Relatable strong female characters are somewhat rare in anime, the ones that don't just exist as fan service and such and never develop any real character. Especially in the big 3 shonen anime (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece), which to be fair are the first anime most people come across, seem to be very against a main female character being strong. For example Robin from One Piece was a strong bad ass character until she joined crew and then suddenly she became a weak character needing to be saved. It seems that Japanese men just find strong females very threatening. It's not like none of the Straw Hats have played the damsel in distress trope once or twice, males or females. It's not like One Piece hasn't shown female characters kicking ass and/or making important decisions. Not that I want to make this series look like an example of gender equality, but come on. You have to conveniently ignore a lot of the stuff you watch to jump to such an extreme conclusion. To be fair I actually really like One Piece and the portrayal of female characters is much better than Naruto and Bleach (going from what I've seen so far). However I still find things about One Piece annoy me, like what I mentioned already about Robin. On the whole I actually do love the show lol. |
LunaFeyrheaMar 29, 2015 6:59 AM
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Firelily said: Relatable strong female characters are somewhat rare in anime, the ones that don't just exist as fan service and such and never develop any real character. Especially in the big 3 shonen anime (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece), which to be fair are the first anime most people come across, seem to be very against a main female character being strong. For example Robin from One Piece was a strong bad ass character until she joined crew and then suddenly she became a weak character needing to be saved. It seems that Japanese men just find strong females very threatening. One of the reasons I love Fairy Tail is because its breaks the mould, most the main female characters are strong and amazing, even Lucy who started off weak became a very strong mage. And ofc there are many many other anime with strong and amazing female characters, I know because they're the ones that always become my favourites. Though it is very disappointing when you have to sit through what would be an otherwise good anime and all the female characters are either weak kittens or just have no real personality. Or worse still take a strong female and suddenly make her weak. Of course it's possible I just notice the weak characters more because they annoy me so much *shrugs* Facepalm. Seriously this thread. Is like i never gave a big huge fucking list. Yeah lets just focus on three shounen. And wtf does relatable mean? How many male characters are relatable? Every fucking poster bring a tone of stupid shit that are off topic. Are they relatable, are they role-models, are the prude enough to much my prudish views, to they have development grow, and whatever the fuck else they can think! WTF are all this shit?! I made the damn topic talking about why some people post with surprise when they see a female doing something courageous or fighting when they are all over anime. That was all. And then i get a tone of analysis about every other damn bullshit they can think off. |
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