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| Nice chapter. Luffy has returned to action! |
| If the structure of the artificial fruits differs enough from the structure of normal fruits (e.g. giving the user a permanent animal body, the most likely drawback of such a fruit), would it be enough to enable certain people to have two DF's (Pekoms, for example)? It would also explain Bepo's appearance and Law's potential grudge against a Yonkou & DoFla. Maybe he left DoFla because Bepo was used in the experiments and nobody told him before it was too late? That, or both pekoms and Bepo are the rumored Minkmen on the Sabaody bounty list... There was also a single panel back during FI where Tamago said they would unleash Big Mom's army of beasts... It could even explain the ID guards as they may not only be awakened Zoan users (like Crocodile confirmed) but even awakened SMILE users - although we need more information regarding that matter. This also offers an explanation where Law did get the animal body parts to operate both the inmates and Monet to fulfill Ceasar's contract. And all of this was foreshadowed by Oda and explained/hinted during a single chapter...THIS is how you tell a story. take a look Oh Great!, Kishimoto, Kubo, etc. |
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| I've waited for that fucking punch for so long and it didn't disappoint. |
ZhouNov 20, 2012 6:14 AM
Nidhoeggr said: If the structure of the artificial fruits differs enough from the structure of normal fruits (e.g. giving the user a permanent animal body, the most likely drawback of such a fruit), would it be enough to enable certain people to have two DF's (Pekoms, for example)? It would also explain Bepo's appearance and Law's potential grudge against a Yonkou & DoFla. Maybe he left DoFla because Bepo was used in the experiments and nobody told him before it was too late? That, or both pekoms and Bepo are the rumored Minkmen on the Sabaody bounty list... There was also a single panel back during FI where Tamago said they would unleash Big Mom's army of beasts... It could even explain the ID guards as they may not only be awakened Zoan users (like Crocodile confirmed) but even awakened SMILE users - although we need more information regarding that matter. This also offers an explanation where Law did get the animal body parts to operate both the inmates and Monet to fulfill Ceasar's contract. And all of this was foreshadowed by Oda and explained/hinted during a single chapter...THIS is how you tell a story. take a look Oh Great!, Kishimoto, Kubo, etc. I think Oda is showing that the structure of artificial and legitimate devil fruits DO differ, simply by their outer designs. And I think that you can eat both, yes. I'm leaning towards Pekoms having an artificial fruit. It would fit in with a lot of Law's story. Another great example of Oda's storytelling is that both explanations for Pekoms, whether he's a minkmen with a devil fruit or a user of 2 devil fruits (one artificial, one real), they're both completely plausible. He does this type of stuff all the time. |
Demonicpoodle said: I think Oda is showing that the structure of artificial and legitimate devil fruits DO differ, simply by their outer designs. And I think that you can eat both, yes. I'm leaning towards Pekoms having an artificial fruit. It would fit in with a lot of Law's story. Another great example of Oda's storytelling is that both explanations for Pekoms, whether he's a minkmen with a devil fruit or a user of 2 devil fruits (one artificial, one real), they're both completely plausible. He does this type of stuff all the time. This is main reason why I love reading One Piece. Only he, Togashi and very few other author in this demographic are able to pull out such a great writing. Another nice point in this chapter: Look at the construction that is going on. Kaidou has plans with this island. And Caribou might just turn out to be one who leaks information about Poseidon and Shirahoshi to him. |
NidhoeggrNov 20, 2012 6:23 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: Another nice point in this chapter: Look at the construction that is going on. Kaidou has plans with this island. And Caribou might just turn out to be one who leaks information about Poseidon and Shirahoshi to him. Ah, thanks for that. I knew that island looked familiar, I just couldn't place it. |
Aldo512 said: Nidhoeggr said: Another nice point in this chapter: Look at the construction that is going on. Kaidou has plans with this island. And Caribou might just turn out to be one who leaks information about Poseidon and Shirahoshi to him. Ah, thanks for that. I knew that island looked familiar, I just couldn't place it. No problem. We are in the age of "smiles", after all :) |
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| Finally luffy does something |
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| I have been waiting for this too happen! Hope Caesar gets some nice ass kicking |
| This chapter was AWESOME! Building up peoples hatred for the enemy, making us feel some sympathy for a character we previously had no/little sympathy for, expanding on Doflamingo's influence in the new world and a hint of badass from Luffy. |
Nidhoeggr said: Aldo512 said: Nidhoeggr said: Another nice point in this chapter: Look at the construction that is going on. Kaidou has plans with this island. And Caribou might just turn out to be one who leaks information about Poseidon and Shirahoshi to him. Ah, thanks for that. I knew that island looked familiar, I just couldn't place it. No problem. We are in the age of "smiles", after all :) Oh Oda u brilliant bastard. He really had everything in mind from that time. I didn't even remember the word "Smile" being mentioned before, but it was and by Doflamingo too WTH?! ODA Y U SO GENIOUS?! |
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| First all we get is a bunch of people shouting the same shit for the past ten chapters, then CC tells us that this island is...what we already knew since the start of the arc. Then Luffy punches CC...again. Oda really has no creativity whatsoever. He already did this shit twice to the same person save for the tens of times it's done before and then gets praised for being "creative" lol. 2/5 because "i've been taking on guys like you all the time" is what I've been saying for the entire series -_- finally Oda decides to do one thing right. |
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Mikasa said: First all we get is a bunch of people shouting the same shit for the past ten chapters, then CC tells us that this island is...what we already knew since the start of the arc. Then Luffy punches CC...again. Oda really has no creativity whatsoever. He already did this shit twice to the same person save for the tens of times it's done before and then gets praised for being "creative" lol. 2/5 because "i've been taking on guys like you all the time" is what I've been saying for the entire series -_- finally Oda decides to do one thing right. I think you read One Piece for the wrong reasons...not enough edgy grimdark for you? |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Mikasa said: First all we get is a bunch of people shouting the same shit for the past ten chapters, then CC tells us that this island is...what we already knew since the start of the arc. Then Luffy punches CC...again. Oda really has no creativity whatsoever. He already did this shit twice to the same person save for the tens of times it's done before and then gets praised for being "creative" lol. 2/5 because "i've been taking on guys like you all the time" is what I've been saying for the entire series -_- finally Oda decides to do one thing right. I think you read One Piece for the wrong reasons...not enough edgy grimdark for you? Or maybe you read my comment for the wrong reasons >.>? I said it lacks originality and creativity, where's the grimdark in that? When it comes to theme and stuff like that OP is on pussy-level as it has none so even if it did it wouldn't be grimdark. So ir's actually welcome. Back to originality, this chapter was another recycled garbage. |
MikasaNov 20, 2012 9:29 AM
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| So you ignore the tons of development we got regarding DoFla, Devil Fruits and choose to bitch about the doublespread at the end? 1) The punch was reminiscient of the Bellamy/Sabaody punch in regards to the panelling and people really wanted CC to be punished. Given the fact that he isn't a strong physical fighter this might even end the fight. 2) The Brownbeard parts were obviously placed here to get needed closure to the subplot. One Piece has always featured a lot of development for side characters. Is this your first arc you read on a weekly basis? Because Oda is finally slowing down to the normal pace we got before the Whitebeard saga kicked in and that is - along with the more focused chapters we are getting recently - a good thing as it prevents a rushed mess like parts of the FI arc. And there are rather dark themes in OP, Oda just chooses to not expand on them as much as it is his intention to stay true to his perception of the Shounen demographic. This was mentioned in the SBS. Personally, you strike me as someone who automatically thinks that the display of cruelty and violceny indicates good - or at least mature - stroytelling, which is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. Your ratings regarding Elfen Lied seems to reflect that. So once again: It is you who should get your priorities straight. While One Piece can be a bit repitittive in its arc structure, calling it uncreative and whining about plot points getting expanded and some needed closure is just as retarded as the guys who only read it for badass fightig poses. For someone who seems to prefer plot you disregard an awful lot of it. |
NidhoeggrNov 20, 2012 9:40 AM
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| No, I already bitched about the whole chapter not just the spread. Just that the last page was the most uninspired. 1) As well as every single other punch moment. And wouldn't call it reminiscent. Maybe if it's done only a second time with a huge gap of time, then ok. 2) Development for side characters? Lol. There is NO dev. in OP, not for main characters, and surely not for supporting ones. Screen-time, yes. And how is just repeating the same shit we've already read again and again in Captain Obvious style closure? Okay and a lot of Op fans try to justify things in their own way as to why people don't like things in the manga but let me clarify: No I did not like the WB war, so the whole "oh they dislike it because it's not as -epic- as the war" talk isn't true. I actually enjoyed the post-war saga the most out of anything post-Jaya. And that wasn't all about action, but it also wasn't stalling and was never, ever slow. It was GOOD. - Wait FI was a rushed mess? Huh lol - If violence makes it all then Elfen Lied would be my favorite anime atm. I do like it overall though. Especially the music. Violence alone isn't much but if it's done well and in a mature way makes it good. Go watch DMC anime, it's crap. Lots of blood and for nothing. A) Just adding violence does NOT make a series mature B) Adding violence in a mature/good way MAKES a story good, or better than it would be without it. This series is about adventure and facing challenges. If everything is dealt with in a childish way then they lose impact and the challenges feel lame. It's just a "oh no bad guy wants to hurt us", and then he is dealt with in the most ideal, heroic way and it's always in the same direction. You come across as one of those peeps who mistake people who want a good story for action junkies and who quickly assume that wanting some violence makes us some death enthusiasts. In the end, this wasn't even my complaint for this chapter. And no, it's not a "bit" repetitive, it's probably THE most repetitive manga i've read, not that I've read so many but for a 700-chapter manga, this one definitely takes the cake even including ones I haven't read. So yes, it IS uncreative of Oda to do this, and it IS unoriginal. |
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| I also read One piece for the world-building and the adventure and i also enjoyed the post-Marineford chapters just as much as the Jaya arc (which is along with Skypeia, Alabasta and Arlong my favourite arc). But it baffles me that you actually criticize the extensive world-building of Oda here. No character development in ALL of One Piece? Prepare to be laughed at by a lot of people because that statement is ridiculous. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| @Mikasa Agreed with the repetition, but then again if you put yourself in his shoes you will realise that he has 9+ mains to take care of. So it's kinda normal to stay focus on one basis and deliver the characters as they are (rather than have them make a 180-swap for the sake of being called developed). And the same goes for the routine of the arc. At the very least he comes up with ways special for each island that make the arc different even though it's the same routine. And finally, the "oh here's the bad guy" comment of yours, is by far the biggest "given" fact of shonen. Maybe you just need some seinen for a change. @Nid: Putting Zoro and Ussopp aside, and only a few momments of Luffy , no OP doesn't have character development for the mains. Mikasa accurately pointed out that it's just screen time. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| sigh... I'm Robin and I find it kinda sad that I don't develop at all during the series. Also, I'm kinda Nami, Chopper, Franky, and I find it wierd I'm the same guy I used to be when others met me. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| @Kid All I'm trying to explain that it can't be in any other way. It's a group of 9+ people and the whole concept of adventure is to keep them together. So unless Oda splits them up and focuses 50 or so chapters to each and every one of them then things will stay the same. Mikasa is critising OP for the wrong reasons. He is right that OP lacks said factors but considering it's purpose it's wrong to actually ask for it to give you that. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Nidhoeggr said: I also read One piece for the world-building and the adventure and i also enjoyed the post-Marineford chapters just as much as the Jaya arc (which is along with Skypeia, Alabasta and Arlong my favourite arc). But it baffles me that you actually criticize the extensive world-building of Oda here. No character development in ALL of One Piece? Prepare to be laughed at by a lot of people because that statement is ridiculous. Yes. What world building? Artificial DFs? That's like the Edo Tensei ninja, fake-ass enemies, numbers and numbers without actually any quality. But that's yet to be seen. This chapter, the middle third of it, was basically doing a recap/summary of what PH is as we already knew, kinda like a wiki lol. The second half of his speech about how powerful he and the rest of them are was actually good, and as I said, Luffy's comeback was finally something that I wanted him to say all this time, it's a relief. Because it seemed that everytime they make it some god-like impossible to beat a villain stronger than them but they keep doing it, so F*** Yeah... I haven't really liked luffy as much since the Baka song on Skypiea. Yes, let them laugh (Teach reference), but that doesn't make them right, they have none whatsoever. For god's sake how many chaps? In water 7, Ussop had some development at last, but they kinda undid it at the end of EL with him returning to his old self being the bitch of the bunch, that he had to apologize bothered me. :/ @Kanic yes but he also has way more chapters than necessary to cover them all and more, but he doesn't really focus on that. And there's no strict rule that the bad guy has to come in the "Oh no" way for shonens, that's why the term "typical shonen [thing]" exists. Sometimes, you don't even need a [powerful] bad guy at all in the story to make it good. When Sabo died didn't really hate the Tenryuubito as much as I hated how the whole op world was somewhat messed up and that was for me more mature than the half-assed slavery subplot that ended heroically too easily, too fast. And the current drug stuff >.< |
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It's a fantasy world. Author has to have both the mood and acknowledge the responsibility that he has to build his world on fantasy factors. Not 100% though there are fantasy stories out there that leave you speechless without really depending on these stuff. It was intended for Brownbeard's character actually. I guess this just means you're not interested in the slightest in his misery (which is part of Luffy's driving engine). Understandable and acceptable, no biggie. Sometimes repetition is tiresome for some, for others not. But this type of scenario, the knowledge that the good guy will win in the end, it's there in most stories. Also, Oda derailed from it a great deal with Luffy's failure back in the war. +1 He left for his own selfishness while he admited that he knew of the ship's condition. If not apologise then what? Also , if he returned "changed" then that would ruin a lot of his character and OP bets a lot on the special comedy that each of the mains provide. Yes, he focuses on the world. That's what he has been promising pre-Grand Line(how crazy things are there, and what a grand adventure it would be) and that's what he is delivering. Well, OP isn't willing to dwelve in the mentality of the bad-guy(which is a shame by my standards as well). Yes it is true that almost always the SH are thrown into trouble and end up fighting what seems to be a defensive war. But then again this has been the norm since the begining and the norm for an adventure for the sake of adventure, otherwise if ideals/emotions are attached and the SH go in the offensive things may end up rather unfavorable and sudden. The slavery thing ended? It's a part of the overall WG/Dragon plot that we have yet to see (which is why I don't fully critisise OP just yet). We might see OP shifting gears at a hellish rate when that comes into play. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
SilentTruth said: Oh oh, Luffy is going on RAMPAGE! This should be fun, Luffy's on rampage every "arc final fight". Idk, this chapter was interesting but, a bit boring. I don't care about brown beard, he's ugly,stupid,borng... Ceasar's soo evil...btw. I'm only one who actually like Cesar?:D He's like Joker(batman) but sientist. Art: 7/10 Story: 6/10(For 1.half of chapter) |
| Somehow, everyone knew what was gonna happen, everyone saw that punch coming, but somehow, it never gets old. And is always as amazing as ever. |
| @Pipoko It IS critisicm, considering how one-sided amd personal your answer is I take it you can't tell the difference. @Shadudge All thousands of them o_O? |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| I agree that if someone doesn't like OP one should drop it, but I also believe in sharing oppinions--> though in this case Pipoko said it kinda messed up I support his general thesis. I don't understand the joy of writing such stuff on every chapter, if it's bothering you just quit it dude, nobody's standing behind you and forcing you to read how Luffy's punching his enemies. Anyway, I guess I wanted to disagree about the character development because I think you got it wrong: character development isn't about changing your whole personality, else I would think of you as a pretty...well, person if you change it every 1 year and all around you do the same. I mean, we all change throughout the years ofcourse, but we change so subtle we don't even notice it for like 2-3 years unless someone says it to us outloud. Precisely this kind of change happens in OP, since the beginning, to ALL characters, not just the supporting ones or the crew etc. We see Sanji change the moment he met Luffy, we also see all change throughout the 2 years of power-ups and we see them change every chapter widening their horizons further and further. I think your "criticism" lacks substance, you may think you have it just because you watched this or that, or can find bad things in every anime; but actually you're just pointing out obvious facts you subjectively don't like. It's ok to not like the way Oda does character development, and it's ok not to like OP. No one is trying to convert you, just stop telling us that in a way that seems like you're speaking objectively and know better than Oda himself. With your constructivism as such you're no better than those people who say "awesome chapter"/"this sucks"/"I agree." EDIT: and I didn't bother with grammar on this text, so g.nazis fof :D |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
Pipoko said: - I've read some posts about how some people think OP has some massive religious undertones everywhere. Explain. I'm interested |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| That was a great revew, though I disaggreed a lot with her fanaticism at certain points, especially when she pulled all stops and went full religious. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Where else? More NWO talking? |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Shits gonna go down! This was exactly how it was in the Teryuubito Incident at Shaboady! But, in this way, Luffy even ignored something more dangerous than just an Admiral. One of the Yonkou and Doflamingo might get involved! Ceasar should know better not to piss Luffy off. He punched a Teryuubito man! Did you think he wont punch you either? xD This is one of the few scenes that Luffy has been uberly pissed. |
 "Have you ever encounter a wild beast that guarantees to never bite anyone?" ~ Roronoa Zoro |
| Decent chapter, it was nice to see Luffy punch ceasar. |
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| Ignoring the war raging up there (again), did we ever figure out what SAD stands for? It just hit me that Synthetic Apple Devilfruit would work. |
| Dear Math, I'm not a therapist. Solve your own problems. Oh, and Algebra? Stop asking us to find your ex, she's NEVER coming back. |
| Good chapter :D Gets more interesting~ |
| great punch. the satisfaction fo seeing teh arrogant douche get punched in teh face is just as good as the ones against bellamy and the tenryuubito :) however this better be teh final round between luffy and ceaser, no one has ever gone more than 3 rounds with luffy. i'll never understand how oda can make me feel sorry for villains like brownbeard. but some how oda pulls it off. really pleased this week all of the big 3 were great. |
| I must admit i like Caesar as a villain. He might just be one of my favorites so far. |
macx12 said: Ok can someone please explain what SAD is to me. I've read the parts where they said Law wanted it for some reason but still don't understand what it is. Can someone explain what it's used for and how it relates to smil or w.e that thing is? awesome chapter, that punch was epic :D hopefully in the first half of next year we can see some doflamingo/four emperor serious action :D and maybe actually see kaidou? >.< And to answer your question, ceasar gives the SAD to doflamingo who then runs it through his factory which then turns them into zoan type devil fruits, and hes using that to strike big deals with big names, if luffy is attacking his supply, he cant just ignore it right? and also if the big names are being denied it because of luffy i dont imagine they would be to thrilled with him :D law is talking about capturing ceasar, which will cause a bit of chaos as hes the only one who can make the SAD, i want to see what law plans to do after next arc will be notch eve more so than this one xD |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| I actually feel really bad for brownbeard. Sigh. This is how people with more power can control the ones with less. But in this ep it mentioned a devil fruit army. Im thinking its either big mam or kaido but i doubt its kaido cause we haven't even gotten any previous foreshadow of him. Blackbeard is possible because of how he steals power.. and shanks just no. |
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| BROWNBEARD FOR NEW NAKAMA! (Please don't take that seriously) That said, he earned some respect points. Unofrtunately for Caeser though, Smoker is about to handle his "strong ally who covers everything up", and Luffy/Law are already targeting "that one Yonkou" with hundreds of artificial Zoan: Big Mom (how could you guys think it was anyone else? I thought it was obvious). Also, nice "shut up" punch at the end, that reminded me once again who the main character and future Pirate King is. |
| if it was Logia type... THEN I'd be impressed :P |
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