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| During the episode I was wondering when are we going to get an asspull power up.. and we actually already got it. gg wp Toriyama. DBS is a disgrace to Dragon ball series. |
| They are at it again, creating more plot holes before even trying to fill the previous ones that they created... Trunks had a rage mode in Z (some called it Brolly mode), but this time it looks like it combined with SSJB aura. Maybe Trunks has a hidden power that was unlocked due to extreme anger and now while he's in his rage mode, it got fully unlocked? Also, in the next ep preview Trunks's hair looks from the rear like Vegeta's. He also has SSJ2 like lightning around him, but somewhat like a SSJB version. Also, a technique to defeat Zamasu and they show Kame Sennin at the end of the preview. Don't tell me that this technique will be Mafuba, because that would br REALLY ridiculous... - . - |
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| Once again, Vegeta proved to us how useless he is. When is he going to step up? Trunks really went all Broly there, but according to preview he will be losing the battle in the next episode. Speaking of the next episode, the pacing looks to be awfully slow from the preview, we'll see, we'll see. |
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| that was just awesome...trunks finally going all out..... this just getting better |
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| Even though the action was amazing, the story is really sloppy, and the plot holes are apparent. But knowing dragon ball, I'm sure it will be explained later |
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jlvyn14 said: As far as I know of there isnt any plotholes, just very confusing plot which may lead to the assumptions of there being holesEven though the action was amazing, the story is really sloppy, and the plot holes are apparent. But knowing dragon ball, I'm sure it will be explained later |
| Dragonball who is known for simple and straightforward story really shouldn't try to play with time travel concept. It gets so fucking confusing. I wonder if they expect kids watching this to understand any of that garbage. |
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ZBRAillusion said: I has a thought, and bare with me here as I am sure it's confusing.However, if we think about it Zamasu(GokuB) should have altered history as well correct? Since Trunks time is still the safe it is safe to assume that Zamasu(GokuB) isn't from his "time". Meaning that since OUR Goku is still in Trunks time Zamasu(GokuB) is from another time. If we consider that now. Zamasu(GokuB) killed Goku,Chichi, and Goten, but no one else is mentioned. So if Gohan is still alive as well as the other Z Warriors they could eventually show up correct? This could happen as the Z Warriors would be able to use the Time Machine that Bulma still has to possibly travel through time in search of Zamasu(GokuB). I suppose the writers want us to assume that in this particular timeline, everything that opposes the Zamasus fail miserably. With Goku seen plowing the fields and Goten spotted around 7 years old, I am guessing Zamasu took over his body before Majin Buu's arc. (I wasn't sure if DBZ is still considered spoilers at this point but oh well gonna include the spoiler tag anyway) |
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| They never learn that they shouldn't make Goku mad, even though he lost in the end. Trunks is angry too, maybe he will be the hero of this arc. |
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Klad said: jlvyn14 said: As far as I know of there isnt any plotholes, just very confusing plot which may lead to the assumptions of there being holesEven though the action was amazing, the story is really sloppy, and the plot holes are apparent. But knowing dragon ball, I'm sure it will be explained later The biggest plot hole is how they're all getting the god power so easily. And by easily I mean almost as easily as ssj after goku and vegeta had it. Plus the time travel concept imo is just being abused to the point of there being more than 2 timelines. Plus none of this explains why the omnipower isn't getting involved into this. |
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| It's widely-believed that "if you change the past, future will change as well", and such. Now it's quite different. After I realized DB's concept, I just kept ignoring plotholes (if there are plotholes at all). I have never watched DB for a complicated plot, so I won't let myself getting confused by some kind of "try-hard" time-travel plot. There is Steins;Gate and such for that. I just can't take a complicated time-travel thing serious in Dragon Ball. Maybe some can relate. About the episode: Goku rages, yet gets almost killed. I just wonder why can't they use those senzu-beans instantly? They forget it, like it wasn't even there. I bet they forgot about Omni-sama's button too. I think it will be pressed accidently when goku gets beaten up again. Maybe Goku will beg to Omni-sama not to interfere, and by a clutch he wins somehow. Trunks gets a random power-up. It's logical that he fought against vegeta, he gets some godlike ki, and it's not enough to turn into SSJB of course. But everyone was surprised, and this entire thing looked like Trunks surpassed the SSJB, while that form's supposed to be as strong as SSJ3. He will fight better than Goku who was also enraged. Now that wouldn't make much sense. |
| Sick episode. Loved it |
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| Fight scenes were nice, but lord, so many plotholes... |
| That was great.Seeing how Zamasu wished for Goku's body and then killed along with his family was brutal and sad.Goku enraged took on both Zamasus and overpowered them for a brief time until Black took him down.After that,they started accusing Trunks for the flow that history took making him enraged and unleashed his power.Next week Trunks seems to overpower Black.I believe he will hold enough until Goku receives a Senzu bean.And it seems there is a way to kill immortal Zamasu. |
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Horizon355 said: Fight scenes were nice, but lord, so many plotholes... plotholes are nothing... there multiple alternate timelines that why i not confused about it even in original manga and anime they kill cells even trunks change past time line his original time line future will not change. like black goku Zamasu thanks for his time ring can make alternate timeline even his past self got kill will not effect him... if you change past make time paradox and make new time line become parallel world alternate timeline like in stein gate had multiple chose time line. |
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Horizon355 said: the only plot hole here is trunks asspull power upFight scenes were nice, but lord, so many plotholes... |
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| Well it was a good episode. Let me try to get this straight Timeline 1 : Cell Timeline, Possibly unrelated to any of the events happening now. Timeline 2 : Future Trunks timeline where Goku died cause of the heart disease. Basically the timeline of the current episode and Zamasu is still alive. Timeline 3 : 'Z' Timeline where Goku defeats Zamasu and eventually Zamasu is obliterated by Beerus. Effectively this timeline is safe Now Black states that he is the Zamasu from the past, Meaning he went through the same experience as the Timeline 3 Zamasu (Referenced by the flashback shown as well). So I guess the only way to relate this information is that this is a new timeline, So now I guess we have Timeline 4: Follows events of Timeline 3 but Zamasu is not killed by Beerus (Reasons unknown), Proceeds to collect Super Dragons Balls become Black and kill Goku's family. The scene depicting the death of Goku's family is kind of reminiscent to one of the early episodes of DBS where Goten brings Goku lunch. Now the thing here is that if Timeline 4 were to follow Timeline 3, Then Future Trunks should have arrived here as well as it's the main reason for the entire Goku-Zamasu meeting to even occur. If that meeting did occur then it makes no sense as to why Zamasu was not killed by Beerus in this timeline as well. Also everyone else can be assumed to be alive in this timeline. Now if Timeline 4 were to exist as I said it does, Then we need another Future Trunks timeline where he interferes with Timeline 4 cause obviously the same Future Trunks can't have gone to two different timelines. So we have, Timeline 5: New Future Trunks timeline where he intervenes in Timeline 4 but possibly dies in the process since he has to set up the events of Timeline 4. In order for this Timeline to exist we need a new Black. And so we're stuck in an endless loop of new timelines to fill up for every other one. You know what, I think it's best for me to ignore the whole timeline concept since the writing feels very nonsensical or maybe I'm just overthinking like crazy or missed some important point. Dragon Ball is always best kept simple, I see that there's a lot of praise for this arc/episode but I don't think anything will ever top the Buu arc of DBZ. The fight scenes were great, Goku getting angry was awesome. Trunks transformation at the end was epic, It's kind of like that False Super Saiyan transformation in one of the DBZ movies. So False Super Saiyan Blue? |
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tkrisz2 said: It's widely-believed that "if you change the past, future will change as well", and such. Now it's quite different. After I realized DB's concept, I just kept ignoring plotholes (if there are plotholes at all). I have never watched DB for a complicated plot, so I won't let myself getting confused by some kind of "try-hard" time-travel plot. There is Steins;Gate and such for that. I just can't take a complicated time-travel thing serious in Dragon Ball. Maybe some can relate. About the episode: Goku rages, yet gets almost killed. I just wonder why can't they use those senzu-beans instantly? They forget it, like it wasn't even there. I bet they forgot about Omni-sama's button too. I think it will be pressed accidently when goku gets beaten up again. Maybe Goku will beg to Omni-sama not to interfere, and by a clutch he wins somehow. Trunks gets a random power-up. It's logical that he fought against vegeta, he gets some godlike ki, and it's not enough to turn into SSJB of course. But everyone was surprised, and this entire thing looked like Trunks surpassed the SSJB, while that form's supposed to be as strong as SSJ3. He will fight better than Goku who was also enraged. Now that wouldn't make much sense. I agree with you about time travel plotholes and I decided not to take them seriously as in other series... however, I dislike a little about strength hierarchy plotholes... I expect a good resolution at least |
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GangsterCat said: Horizon355 said: the only plot hole here is trunks asspull power upFight scenes were nice, but lord, so many plotholes... Yea that one only plothole trunks power up Nowhere. Super Saiyan Rage Trunks very similar legendary Super Saiyan Broly with no pupil in eye. |
| One of the best episodes of this arc imo. Trunk's new form seems like regular SSJ with blue aura and blue sparks, that blue aura could be God ki. Since Trunks has been around Goku/Vegeta, he probably absorbed some God ki. It has to be God ki since SSJ Blue has blue aura but wow Trunks is one strong guy now. If you think about it, he's achieved all this power on his own, unlike a certain Gohan. Anyway, if hating Zamasu wasn't already high, there's even more reason to dislike this guy. Feel bad for Goku's family, getting killed by Zamasu. But they can wish them back with the Dragon Balls right? So now we know the origins of Black. I'd say, Zamasu kills Goku and fam in a timeline where Buu is defeated and right before Ep 1 of Super. Goku sure kicked some butt here. That rage boost, he was a beast. Funny how he punched Zamasu without looking at him, backhand punch. But man just when you think Black is getting owned, he comes right back and with more tricks up his sleeve. Attacks Goku with some technique that spears Goku with blades that self destruct. Can't wait for the next episode. Trunks looks so amazing in that form. Forget SSJ 3, this new form looks even better. |
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tkrisz2 said: It's widely-believed that "if you change the past, future will change as well", and such. Now it's quite different. After I realized DB's concept, I just kept ignoring plotholes (if there are plotholes at all). I have never watched DB for a complicated plot, so I won't let myself getting confused by some kind of "try-hard" time-travel plot. There is Steins;Gate and such for that. I just can't take a complicated time-travel thing serious in Dragon Ball. Maybe some can relate. I strongly relate. |
Stash said: During the episode I was wondering when are we going to get an asspull power up.. and we actually already got it. gg wp Toriyama. DBS is a disgrace to Dragon ball series. Don't know what you are crying about, DB series as a whole is always about new 'power ups'. Personaly I thought Trunks new (LSSJ?) powerup was god damn epic. |
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caio_ken said: This is without any doubt, one of the best episodes in Dragon Ball Super and DB history. Black, Zamasu, Goku, Trunks, the battles and the history, it was great! yeah I agree with you this episode was epic. |
| Hmmm I don't know what to think of this new transformation, I don't think Trunks really deserves it. I hope they'll have a good explanation for it. |
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| I hope this is not another new transformation for Trunks, We've already watch SSJ Blue and SSJ Pink, now SSJ + blue aura... Best part in this episode is when Goku on rage and kickin both Zamasu and Black. |
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| Alright, lots has happened this episode! Very exciting: + that kabedon Zamasu gave Goku (LOL) + It was very interesting to see Goku fight from anger. The last time we saw this was when he was fighting Frieza and turned into SSJ. + Trunks' power up was great. He needed it I think, being normal SSJ he was quite behind the rest. What I did not enjoy though - the usual DBS stuff: - lack of blood. I mean...seriously?! - the animation was rather rocky sometimes Overall, very nice episode! |
| its always nice to see goku get pissed and be serious about the fight though didnt last long and also why is vegeta just standing around he's been so useless through out this whole arc so far smh anyway next ep trunks all going broly and all cant wait |
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HenryT said:  Actual dialogue in the episode. Also, the most important scene in the episode:  Bromasu! Holy shit Thanks for the laughs dude |
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| It's official. Black and Zamasu are the new Team Rocket. Also, Trunks turned into Broly. |
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Stash said: During the episode I was wondering when are we going to get an asspull power up.. and we actually already got it. gg wp Toriyama. DBS is a disgrace to Dragon ball series. This has been the standard for years, what are you moaning about? |
| Leaving all the plot aside. Gotta admit this was hype asf. This is the first time Goku got pissed since Frieza. Holy shit that's a long time ago. The way he was REKTing them and that back hand to Zamazu after instant transmission was HILARIOUSly epic XD I'm really impressed by the art staying at least pretty consistent during these action full eps. And then we have Trunks...dunno how they'll explain but hype nonetheless lol |
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Barion-Zara said: I'm really impressed by the art staying at least pretty consistent during these action full eps.  Yep, I'm sure you're right. |
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| great comments everyone <3 So where is the Zamasu x Black Yaoi at? so what does Zeno-chan think of all this? Calling bullshit they killed all the gods, isn't the whole point of being... **** this anime. And no, the earthlings were doomed anyway if Trunks didn't use time travel, so no matter what Earth would have been trapped in some kind of bullshit. broly tier rage with SSB aura while still being SS. honestly 5/5 because so ****ing bad i love it! |
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Lucky96u said: Barion-Zara said: I'm really impressed by the art staying at least pretty consistent during these action full eps. Yep, I'm sure you're right. > Said ''pretty'' consistent > Uses ONE scene where it wasn't > Thinks he proved his statement wrong Are you illiterate? He said ''pretty consistent'' which does not mean ''constantly consistent''. Before bashing, at least try to improve your understanding of english. SS2Sorin said: This episode was amazing. Goku getting angry after being told Black killed his family. We still havent found out what timeline the Black Goku's body is from. I am really curious if they will ever reveal that. Vegeta needs to step his game up. Did future trunks already have Super Sayian 2 or Did he only have Super Sayian 1 and Super Trunks? I think he had SS1, SS2 and Super Trunks. He looked like he was about to go SS3. But then he had lighting around him. He did look like Broly to so I don't know. So I really am curious on what the transformation will be called. Thought's anyone. They revealed it was merely another timeline, nothing more. I don't think there's much more to add to that. And Trunks had SSJ2 in Super. I believe he fought Goku in SSJ2 form. He didn't have it back in Z, though. So I assume he attained it in the time when he went back to when he came back. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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Dregora said: > Said ''pretty'' consistent > Uses ONE scene where it wasn't > Thinks he proved his statement wrong Are you illiterate? He said ''pretty consistent'' which does not mean ''constantly consistent''. Before bashing, at least try to improve your understanding of english. ...I'm not going to send every frame of the episode to prove that the animations are bad. Not that I'm surprised, we're talking about Toei here. |
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Lucky96u said: Dregora said: > Said ''pretty'' consistent > Uses ONE scene where it wasn't > Thinks he proved his statement wrong Are you illiterate? He said ''pretty consistent'' which does not mean ''constantly consistent''. Before bashing, at least try to improve your understanding of english. ...I'm not going to send every frame of the episode to prove that the animations are bad. Not that I'm surprised, we're talking about Toei here. I promise you that very few anime remain consistent if you are gonna look at them frame for frame. Your argument is still invalid. Most notably most shounen anime do this. The only exception I can think of is HxH. |
ECHOnce said: Way too many plotholes from this ep's explanation of how Zamasu obtained Goku's body >> They mentioned killing all the gods in the Future-Trunks timeline (we'll call it 1T, short for 1st timeline from here) as if they had done so before setting about killing all the mortals. If that were so, then Black managed to kill gods of destruction like Beerus from before meeting the present timeline (2T) Goku. Yet he claimed to have developed SSJ Rose after their only confrontation in 2T, and treated his SSJ1/SSJ2 as if they had been the strongest things he had faced since obtaining that body. When Zamasu stole the body and killed the Son family, that should have created a new timeline (3T). We have no indication for when Gowasu was killed in 2T, but when the Son family is murdered, Goten was still a child. That means it would have taken place before the androids arrived, since Future Trunks would've been the same age. Tbh I can't recall whether Goku knowing Goten at that point would be a plot hole on it's own lmao. Even ignoring all those plot holes and taking that info for what it's meant to say...it's kind of disheartening lol. We're essentially being told that Goku's body has the potential to become unchallenged in all the universes, since we haven't been told that Black's body is immortal like 1T Zamasu's (and even if he is immortal, he probably wouldn't have been of much help to Black anyhow). Obviously shouldn't be looking for too much of a plot in a hype-based series like DB, but...this is just sloppy. They killed the Kaioshins to kill Bills. Wtf. Before the androids arrive? Are you really watching DB? This is in the episode 1 of DB Super in the 4th timeline where they construct a bomb to destroy the androids and the series progress similar to the main timeline Lord_Odous said: ZBRAillusion said: I has a thought, and bare with me here as I am sure it's confusing.However, if we think about it Zamasu(GokuB) should have altered history as well correct? Since Trunks time is still the safe it is safe to assume that Zamasu(GokuB) isn't from his "time". Meaning that since OUR Goku is still in Trunks time Zamasu(GokuB) is from another time. If we consider that now. Zamasu(GokuB) killed Goku,Chichi, and Goten, but no one else is mentioned. So if Gohan is still alive as well as the other Z Warriors they could eventually show up correct? This could happen as the Z Warriors would be able to use the Time Machine that Bulma still has to possibly travel through time in search of Zamasu(GokuB). I suppose the writers want us to assume that in this particular timeline, everything that opposes the Zamasus fail miserably. With Goku seen plowing the fields and Goten spotted around 7 years old, I am guessing Zamasu took over his body before Majin Buu's arc. (I wasn't sure if DBZ is still considered spoilers at this point but oh well gonna include the spoiler tag anyway) Man, is quite obvious that this is the first episode of super. Lelouch0202 said: Well it was a good episode. Let me try to get this straight Timeline 1 : Cell Timeline, Possibly unrelated to any of the events happening now. Timeline 2 : Future Trunks timeline where Goku died cause of the heart disease. Basically the timeline of the current episode and Zamasu is still alive. Timeline 3 : 'Z' Timeline where Goku defeats Zamasu and eventually Zamasu is obliterated by Beerus. Effectively this timeline is safe Now Black states that he is the Zamasu from the past, Meaning he went through the same experience as the Timeline 3 Zamasu (Referenced by the flashback shown as well). So I guess the only way to relate this information is that this is a new timeline, So now I guess we have Timeline 4: Follows events of Timeline 3 but Zamasu is not killed by Beerus (Reasons unknown), Proceeds to collect Super Dragons Balls become Black and kill Goku's family. The scene depicting the death of Goku's family is kind of reminiscent to one of the early episodes of DBS where Goten brings Goku lunch. Now the thing here is that if Timeline 4 were to follow Timeline 3, Then Future Trunks should have arrived here as well as it's the main reason for the entire Goku-Zamasu meeting to even occur. If that meeting did occur then it makes no sense as to why Zamasu was not killed by Beerus in this timeline as well. Also everyone else can be assumed to be alive in this timeline. Now if Timeline 4 were to exist as I said it does, Then we need another Future Trunks timeline where he interferes with Timeline 4 cause obviously the same Future Trunks can't have gone to two different timelines. So we have, Timeline 5: New Future Trunks timeline where he intervenes in Timeline 4 but possibly dies in the process since he has to set up the events of Timeline 4. In order for this Timeline to exist we need a new Black. And so we're stuck in an endless loop of new timelines to fill up for every other one. You know what, I think it's best for me to ignore the whole timeline concept since the writing feels very nonsensical or maybe I'm just overthinking like crazy or missed some important point. Dragon Ball is always best kept simple, I see that there's a lot of praise for this arc/episode but I don't think anything will ever top the Buu arc of DBZ. The fight scenes were great, Goku getting angry was awesome. Trunks transformation at the end was epic, It's kind of like that False Super Saiyan transformation in one of the DBZ movies. So False Super Saiyan Blue? There's always more than three timelines. robertocabral said: there's one plothole: black is from another timeline, ok. so how can he manage to stay in future trunks' timeline using the time ring? because the ring let him go to goku's timeline only for a short time and then he was forced to go back to trunks' timeline again. after that, beerus says that he went to his "original timeline", it's not true now. i guess we should just ignore black travelling to the past. anyway, it didn't even happened in the manga. There's no plot hole. The time ring can travel to the future but not to the past, it's stated in the anime. |
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