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HybridMBL said: As for that ending.... Again, it didn't have the impact it wanted because his farm waifu died like 2 episodes ago. Now I'm supposed to accept the ending that transpired? I've been wanting drunk Leon x Ema for a while now but not like this. Just overall sloppy execution and Ema's arc really deserved more breathing room On a more positive note, I did like the choreography of Ema and Luciano's fight. Haven't seen an airborne fight executed like that. Very slick Barion-Zara said: Poor Leon though, ending up with used goods instead of the pure Lara :/ This^^^^^^ Couldn't they have Killed Ema Instead and introduce Lara later.......... It is not like Ema x Leon have any future, most likely that was just on the spur of the moment cause both have lost somebody recently. |
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Keten said: Finally.. the last scene.. I'm sorry but.. was there supposed to be some sort of relationship between Leon and Ema? I can understand Ema wanting to celebrate and kiss Leon just for the hell of it but to see Leon grab her, hold her down and continue? Didn't the one woman he ever loved die like... a week ago? That makes no sense to me... Their relationship had very little foreshadowing, Ema acted more like a mother figure to him throughout the series and that's the angle I thought they were going for since it played in well with Leon having lost his mother. Maybe they are both trying to forget the fact their lovers recently died? I guess but it still felt rather... forced and... out of no where. It didn't really fit Leon's character either even if that was the case. Yeah, I'm surprised as well. I saw the kiss coming, but I didn't expect Leon to grab her. Though the episode did give some vibes for it, since it was more serious and Leon didn't react to her teasing as usual. So much for being a mother figure though, that crossed the line for me (for their relationship). I don't want everything going to shit now that Herman has switched sides... >_< But I thought the flying hooks were ingenious, though random and a bit out of place. The battle itself was pretty good too, but I expected Emma to die right after killing her husband. I wanted her to die actually, so then Leon would have lost another person important to him. But no... they decided on this direction instead... I can't imagine it being more than a one time thing though, licking each other's wounds per se. Anything beyond that is too much. :/ |
Mirorin said: Yeah, I'm surprised as well. I saw the kiss coming, but I didn't expect Leon to grab her. Though the episode did give some vibes for it, since it was more serious and Leon didn't react to her teasing as usual. So much for being a mother figure though, that crossed the line for me (for their relationship). I don't want everything going to shit now that Herman has switched sides... >_< But I thought the flying hooks were ingenious, though random and a bit out of place. The battle itself was pretty good too, but I expected Emma to die right after killing her husband. I wanted her to die actually, so then Leon would have lost another person important to him. But no... they decided on this direction instead... I can't imagine it being more than a one time thing though, licking each other's wounds per se. Anything beyond that is too much. :/ I enjoyed the fight as well. It's just that it felt so out of place despite the show seemingly wanting it to hold a lot of weight in terms of emotional impact. Ema is killing her husband so why am I looking at spider-Ema flying around, dodging lasers and blowing things up? It's cool and awesome to look at but it contrasts poorly with the dramatic scenes, especially when the dramatic scenes were unfortunately rushed. As for Ema dying... I mean... we didn't really get much out of her so I wouldn't really be happy with that outcome. I'd rather she live and become a motherly figure of sorts to Leon. I am a bit annoyed that her backdrop appeared shoe-horned in despite the fact there was a perfectly good filler episode about people building a Mecha-Garo that could have been entirely cut and replaced with a more fleshed out version of her backdrop. Pacing of this series is so all over the place... |
| Very enjoyable episode. I also doubt their relationship will last but I also doubt there will be another romance interest for Leon. They may end up together who knows. Ema definitely has another role to play to the series otherwise they would have already killed her in this episode. |
| dat ending scene thooo |
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| Leon! How could you?! Lara just died...now with Ema? C'mon. Ema kissing Leon was somehow expected but Leon pinning Ema down while kissing her, really didn't see that coming. Please stop the further development of the bed scene in the next episode. |
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| I'm all for Leon & Ema. Who cares about the age difference and experience. It's clear it wasn't on a whim he ended doing something after that surprise kiss. If he didn't hold some sort of feeling for her he wouldn't of kissed back like that. |
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| Leon x Ema is pretty cute, but I still would have preferred Lara. You know... if she didn't die and somehow survived to make a story line where she becomes a female Makai Knight/Alchemist or something. This Horror is one of the most best-looking horrors I've seen. Compared to the others with their disfigured bodies, it's nice to see one that looks like person in a fighter jet suit. I hope they keep the design of Horrors like this , but it's probably never going to happen again. This makes me wonder what Ema's age is. If's she was married and didn't have kids, she's likely to be in the late/mid 20's or early 30's. Which doesn't make their fickle frackle seem all that bad when you consider Leon as 19, probably closer to 20. It might have seemed a bit off if she was older though. |
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| OH SNAP....Leon & Ema = OTP now? LOL just....LOL Lara come back from the dead and steal your Leon back... ;-; |
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Holmes15 said: I'm suprised that watchdog turned out to be a guy. I was surprised when reading the subs too. But I actually think FUNimation had just screwed-up the translation. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
| So much angs for Lara only to bang another woman two episodes later... lol Well, it was still a good ep. Fleshed out Ema´s character, I warmed up to Luciano and the fight kicked ass. |
| I think the fight scenes in this episode were the best I have ever seen so far in the series. Ema's backstory was interesting, but it obviously lacked the emotional impact it was supposed to present. Leon + Ema = (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Leon, you bastard, Lara JUST died, like, a week ago! Are you kidding me? That was so out-of-character! Sigh, I know he's supposed to be maturing and whatnot, but come on. There was little to no forshadowing, and besides, the relationship they had was like that of a kid and his older sister (in my opinion, anyway). Um, the Watchdog person is a boy? O.o I did not know that. |
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| I liked emma's back story, but it DID feel a bit rushed. Not really all that surprised by the kiss. I mean the woman is grieving/celebrating/ very drunk. I have to say though, GARO tells a VERY satisfying coming of age story and really took its time with Leon's character development. yeah it was a bit slow there for a while but it was so worth it. |
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| I don't know exactly where they're going with this, but I think the way that ending went down was supposed to make us feel very uneasy. Kind of pity of them. It's very understandable in a sweet/dark way but due to the suddenness of it in terms of what these two have JUST gone through with loved ones, you feel really uneasy about it. I think it's definitely a confirmation and foreshadowing of the dark place the two are in(Leon more importantly, we expect this from Ema especially after seeing her backstory), and it can either help the two of them heal and move on, or cause them to further explore that dark place and who then knows what could happen.. |
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Rayzer said: This episode in particular, only the ring used a pronoun to refer to Garm and it was a gender-neutral one. It's apparently a dog, but the woman-like appearance is not the true form so trying to guess whether it's male or female based on appearance wouldn't be reliable.Holmes15 said: I'm suprised that watchdog turned out to be a guy. I was surprised when reading the subs too. But I actually think FUNimation had just screwed-up the translation. |
| OH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Both Ema and Leon lost their love interests and are dealing with grief. The episode actually foreshadows it as you can very clearly see Leon have very different reactions to Ema's behavior through episode than usual - his reactions to her flirting and teasing are very different because he still lacks clear emotional stability in regards of losing someone he was so close to AND because he has matured(and Ema did hint before at possibility of something more between them once he stops being a kid/teen). The Ending is pretty much grief sex it seems - both of them lost someone they care about and this is the way they deal with it. Both characters have reasons to want intimacy and both characters can be seen as substituting their grief for their loved ones with it. AND both characters have displayed sexual attraction to each other before. Its quite realistic that Garo decided to do stuff like this because the usual romances we see in anime are usually highly overblown "destined pairings" - rarely do we actually get nonchalant no-attachment-or-consequences sex. Garo has always approached sex very liberally, so this is no different. |
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CookingPriest said: OH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Both Ema and Leon lost their love interests and are dealing with grief. The episode actually foreshadows it as you can very clearly see Leon have very different reactions to Ema's behavior through episode than usual - his reactions to her flirting and teasing are very different because he still lacks clear emotional stability in regards of losing someone he was so close to AND because he has matured(and Ema did hint before at possibility of something more between them once he stops being a kid/teen). The Ending is pretty much grief sex it seems - both of them lost someone they care about and this is the way they deal with it. Both characters have reasons to want intimacy and both characters can be seen as substituting their grief for their loved ones with it. AND both characters have displayed sexual attraction to each other before. Its quite realistic that Garo decided to do stuff like this because the usual romances we see in anime are usually highly overblown "destined pairings" - rarely do we actually get nonchalant no-attachment-or-consequences sex. Garo has always approached sex very liberally, so this is no different. ^^THIS!! |
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| Ema's story was quite rushed indeed but the fights were great. And also yeah, about that Leon x Ema. I was like, what? Where did that even come from? |
| Well, that explains why Ema is a main character |
CookingPriest said: OH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Look at this badass over here. People aren't criticizing Garo because they hooked up or because they weren't "pure" or what not. That's just your arrogance talking. The way Garo has paced out its story this cour made what should've been a climactic moment between these two characters fall flat. German and Ximena's one night stand was arguably built up and executed better than Leon x Ema |
| Ema and her past with Luciano. It was great! Most of it was well paced and the background story was admirable. However, it could use more episodes than just this. I can see it having more potential if it did. That last part though. I really wasn't expecting anything. Then that initiation that Ema did, caught me completely off guard. Yeah, Leon is not a boy anymore. LOL! |
CookingPriest said: OH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Both Ema and Leon lost their love interests and are dealing with grief. The episode actually foreshadows it as you can very clearly see Leon have very different reactions to Ema's behavior through episode than usual - his reactions to her flirting and teasing are very different because he still lacks clear emotional stability in regards of losing someone he was so close to AND because he has matured(and Ema did hint before at possibility of something more between them once he stops being a kid/teen). The Ending is pretty much grief sex it seems - both of them lost someone they care about and this is the way they deal with it. Both characters have reasons to want intimacy and both characters can be seen as substituting their grief for their loved ones with it. AND both characters have displayed sexual attraction to each other before. Its quite realistic that Garo decided to do stuff like this because the usual romances we see in anime are usually highly overblown "destined pairings" - rarely do we actually get nonchalant no-attachment-or-consequences sex. Garo has always approached sex very liberally, so this is no different. Well said sire, well said. I like how Garo approaches the sex scenes, no teases or anything, just goes straight to the point and shows it to you. I'm kinda baffled with the design of Luciano, his horror form, seemed out of place, not something you'd see in that time frame. Shooting arrows would've fit in more with the setting rather than shooting lasers; those air-to-air missiles seemed weird as well. Agree with the others that this episode felt rushed; Ema's past could've been better shown instead of having those filler episodes. |
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HybridMBL said: Look at this badass over here. People aren't criticizing Garo because they hooked up or because they weren't "pure" or what not. That's just your arrogance talking. The way Garo has paced out its story this cour made what should've been a climactic moment between these two characters fall flat. German and Ximena's one night stand was arguably built up and executed better than Leon x Ema Well said. I also want to make clear that I am alright if they were both dealing with grief so they had sex as a form of escapism but the fact that Leon has no prior sexual experience and HE was the one who grabbed HER and held HER down to initiate the sex was unrealistic to me. Doesn't matter how more mature he is now, virgin's don't act like that unless they are very perverted or desperately desire sex and considering his stoic and serious personality, it was out of character. |
| So the horror was her husband, could be better done tho. And that kiss... don't feel anything since Lara "just" died... |
| Yeah finally leon takes after his father and gets some. oh boy look a cute girl for alfonso in the next episode, shes so fucked. CookingPriest said: yes to all of this, they are coping with loss both of them. I actually took note of how leon reacted to the flirting much differently this time around so when it got around to him and ema alone together at the end i did have that thought to myself that they'd go for eachotherOH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Both Ema and Leon lost their love interests and are dealing with grief. The episode actually foreshadows it as you can very clearly see Leon have very different reactions to Ema's behavior through episode than usual - his reactions to her flirting and teasing are very different because he still lacks clear emotional stability in regards of losing someone he was so close to AND because he has matured(and Ema did hint before at possibility of something more between them once he stops being a kid/teen). The Ending is pretty much grief sex it seems - both of them lost someone they care about and this is the way they deal with it. Both characters have reasons to want intimacy and both characters can be seen as substituting their grief for their loved ones with it. AND both characters have displayed sexual attraction to each other before. Its quite realistic that Garo decided to do stuff like this because the usual romances we see in anime are usually highly overblown "destined pairings" - rarely do we actually get nonchalant no-attachment-or-consequences sex. Garo has always approached sex very liberally, so this is no different. |
JizzyHitlerFeb 21, 2015 8:37 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Keten said: HybridMBL said: Look at this badass over here. People aren't criticizing Garo because they hooked up or because they weren't "pure" or what not. That's just your arrogance talking. The way Garo has paced out its story this cour made what should've been a climactic moment between these two characters fall flat. German and Ximena's one night stand was arguably built up and executed better than Leon x Ema Well said. I also want to make clear that I am alright if they were both dealing with grief so they had sex as a form of escapism but the fact that Leon has no prior sexual experience and HE was the one who grabbed HER and held HER down to initiate the sex was unrealistic to me. Doesn't matter how more mature he is now, virgin's don't act like that unless they are very perverted or desperately desire sex and considering his stoic and serious personality, it was out of character. I don't have a problem with Leon responding to her kiss. What I do have a problem with, is the pacing of this show. My goodness, Lara just passed away two episodes ago lol. I don't mind the romance between Leon and Ema but this is just so abrupt. I'm beginning to think that the producers have always planned that Ema and Leon would be together but they were facing constraints of the 24 episode limit. As a result, all of Ema's background and story was squeezed into one episode. Or maybe this was just a one time thing. I'm curious what the next episode is gonna show. |
darkshrimp said: Keten said: Well said. I also want to make clear that I am alright if they were both dealing with grief so they had sex as a form of escapism but the fact that Leon has no prior sexual experience and HE was the one who grabbed HER and held HER down to initiate the sex was unrealistic to me. Doesn't matter how more mature he is now, virgin's don't act like that unless they are very perverted or desperately desire sex and considering his stoic and serious personality, it was out of character. I don't have a problem with Leon responding to her kiss. What I do have a problem with, is the pacing of this show. My goodness, Lara just passed away two episodes ago lol. I don't mind the romance between Leon and Ema but this is just so abrupt. I'm beginning to think that the producers have always planned that Ema and Leon would be together but they were facing constraints of the 24 episode limit. As a result, all of Ema's background and story was squeezed into one episode. Or maybe this was just a one time thing. I'm curious what the next episode is gonna show. someone still does not seem to get what "grief sex" is. lol. |
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| It was great battle between Ema and Lucciano, but wtf was that scene of Leon kissing Ema?!... We know the both lost the person which they loved, but what the hell happened with your feelings about Lara's death, Leon? x( |
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| Leon x Ema-chan all the way Glad Ema is still alive |
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| If only every episode of this show had been even half as good as this one. Character development, an interesting plot, some legit dramatic weight and a really good-looking action sequence to hit it home. |
Rayzer said: Holmes15 said: I'm suprised that watchdog turned out to be a guy. I was surprised when reading the subs too. But I actually think FUNimation had just screwed-up the translation. The Watchdogs are neither male nor female, just like angels. In fact, they are no longer even human even if they were in the past. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Leon my boy, welcome to family. Friends with benefits all the way. |
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| That ending made me laugh like cmon Leon Lara died 2 episodes ago |
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| Great episode, since the beginning of story was curious about what Emma chasing, its history was not so different from the usual, but the denouement that drew attention The pain of losing the loved person Leon knew, still do not conform me that Lara died, but I'm curious about the final development of this anime season .. |
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| That's quite good, but I wished Emma's backtsroy was longer(maybe 2 episodes would be enough). It did not feel impactful/meaningful enough. And I really do not mind Leon & Emma pairing. I know their relationship has been more to "the experienced & the amateur" than romantic, but at least it's not out of place. I mean, Emma has been there for Leon(not all the time, but still) when he was in despair/no one there, so they ended up together should not have surprised anyone. They are only humans who have sexual desires. |
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ssj4jw said: Because of this namedrop, I'm now watching that shit:DHeck, Real Drive has a 15 year girl get with a guy pushing 80. Pat_To_Do-List said: Herman kinda watched over Alfonso with the same kinda vibe of an experienced warrior looking out for a young inexperienced one, but that doesn't mean they should end up in bed together... Especially with attenuating circumstances like considerable age difference (at the beginning Leon was only 16, even with time skips he's only 17, 18 at most atm) and Lara's death happening only a very short time ago...I know their relationship has been more to "the experienced & the amateur" than romantic, but at least it's not out of place. I mean, Emma has been there for Leon(not all the time, but still) when he was in despair/no one there, so they ended up together should not have surprised anyone. They are only humans who have sexual desires. |
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CG said: Herman kinda watched over Alfonso with the same kinda vibe of an experienced warrior looking out for a young inexperienced one, but that doesn't mean they should end up in bed together... Especially with attenuating circumstances like considerable age difference (at the beginning Leon was only 16, even with time skips he's only 17, 18 at most atm) and Lara's death happening only a very short time ago... Well, probably because Herman is his father. So . . . I did not even consider Herman x Leon, but it seems that you did . . . Age difference does not make their relationship unfeasible. There are many couples with huge age differences in real world. For us, it's just a two episodes ago. But how long has it been in that world time? It's possible that it has been a year since Lara's death. |
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wakka9ca said: Rayzer said: I was surprised when reading the subs too. But I actually think FUNimation had just screwed-up the translation. The Watchdogs are neither male nor female, just like angels. In fact, they are no longer even human even if they were in the past. It would be much better if they classified Garm as "It" or "That Creature" would be appropriate. And please stop complaining about Emma's back story being rushed. None of the back stories in here had last for 2 or more consecutive episodes in the first place. |
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Rayzer said: And please stop complaining about Emma's back story being rushed. None of the back stories in here had last for 2 or more consecutive episodes in the first place. Yes, I know, but that does not mean we cannot criticize Emma's backstory for the rushed pacing. When an anime always doing certain thing badly does not mean that bad thing should be tolerated. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: That's quite good, but I wished Emma's backtsroy was longer(maybe 2 episodes would be enough). It did not feel impactful/meaningful enough. Yeah it feels rushed but I'm glad they did only one episode because in my opinion it would be boring if they had stretched for two episodes or more Emma's backstory. CookingPriest said: OH lawd, all the poor otaku and and their rage over sexual intimacy. Not "pure" enough for you? Did they have to hold hands longer? Not enough virgins in the pairing? Deal With it. Both Ema and Leon lost their love interests and are dealing with grief. The episode actually foreshadows it as you can very clearly see Leon have very different reactions to Ema's behavior through episode than usual - his reactions to her flirting and teasing are very different because he still lacks clear emotional stability in regards of losing someone he was so close to AND because he has matured(and Ema did hint before at possibility of something more between them once he stops being a kid/teen). The Ending is pretty much grief sex it seems - both of them lost someone they care about and this is the way they deal with it. Both characters have reasons to want intimacy and both characters can be seen as substituting their grief for their loved ones with it. AND both characters have displayed sexual attraction to each other before. Its quite realistic that Garo decided to do stuff like this because the usual romances we see in anime are usually highly overblown "destined pairings" - rarely do we actually get nonchalant no-attachment-or-consequences sex. Garo has always approached sex very liberally, so this is no different. I can't agree more. It was the perfect example of grief sex. People calling it unrealistic really should know more about it. http://goo.gl/G2xbm2 |
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| Ok now they've lost their fucking mind. That end was ridiculous. The episode was ok and I was surprised and kinda glad Ema survived (I swear I saw it coming both times that she drops onto that pole. Real surprise she didn't) but Leon and Ema just don't fit together. Lyrisia said: And the hell?! What was with that ending scene... What about Lara... she just died :( Not to forget Ema just killed her "husband", too. |
ainky said: Yeah it feels rushed but I'm glad they did only one episode because in my opinion it would be boring if they had stretched for two episodes or more Emma's backstory. If they stretched it but with the same amount of information with this one episode, of course it would. They could add more of Emma's point of view and interaction with her ex-husband in the flashback & maybe explore the concept of Horrors could be cured more. Because the flashback was really just a string of information without any emotion attached to it, & for her own flashback, her screentime/dialogue in the flashback was so minimal. |
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