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Wasabi said: What a trainwreck this episode was. If the train didn't already fall off a cliff and explode into a fireball, it definitely would've now. So many ridiculous things happened in this one episode. I agree about this in the sense there is too condensation of events and not enough explanations....would noteDhero and DeathfireD please respond to something more with explanations about this but Wasabi is right in his own metaphor about how things went on this episode. The things were not ridiculous but to me they are just confusing. I hope my pics might help some clear up also. Looking at you DeathfireD and noteDhero... |
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| Ummm...WTF! I just now realized who Hiiragi was..., and was spent much of the episode making sure I knew who Tamaru was that I couldn't keep my head straight. There's one thing that I'm hazy on, and that was Tamaru's conversation with his dad. Is Misaki the girl he was talking about, or was it someone else? Because I vaguely remember thinking about Misaki and being pregnant last season during some kind of phone call at night also...but I feel like she's always on the phone in that same shot that I'm probably just confused. Besides that, I felt like Mana's freak out was a little ridiculous, but then she's a child, so that's expected. Yuki's lame little lies are quite transparent, but Touya is so dumb it wouldn't really matter in the first place. The stuff with Haruka seems like nothing to me since we know nothing about her aside from the fact that she's gone bonkers since her brother died years ago. Eiji's crap with the painting doesn't bother me since I hope he goes utterly broke anyways, and I'm starting to feel like Kanzaki has missed out on a lot of the nuances of all the relationships even though she's the power player at the moment. As far as Touya goes, I think it's clear that he is less scum than the average male. The fact is that he is so weak that he leads women on despite knowing what he is doing. We see him hold and kiss Rina when his inner monologue is "someone stop me." We see him constantly have sex with Yayoi even though he compares her to a thoughtless doll. We see him attempt to kiss Misaki even though we know he doesn't want to do it, just try to make her feel better. We see him loop himself into a date with the student affairs lady, even though he's saying (once again), "someone stop me." Then he ditches her in the middle of the date with no explanation the second Yayoi comes. Once again, in this episode, he allows himself to be swept up in Yayoi, and even goes to see her. These are not the actions of a normal man. These are the actions of a man with little to no self esteem, self worth, or respect for other people's feelings. He has not done a single considerate thing in the course of this show, and I think that's quite a feat. Also, this was a horrendous looking episode. Touya had about 5 different faces, Mana had 3, Kanzaki had 2, and there was that terrible, janky animation again that was rife in season 1. Because of that taking me out of the moment, I just couldn't really like the episode despite a lot of the reveals. |
noteDhero said: Ummm...WTF! I just now realized who Hiiragi was..., and was spent much of the episode making sure I knew who Tamaru was that I couldn't keep my head straight. There's one thing that I'm hazy on, and that was Tamaru's conversation with his dad. Is Misaki the girl he was talking about, or was it someone else? Because I vaguely remember thinking about Misaki and being pregnant last season during some kind of phone call at night also...but I feel like she's always on the phone in that same shot that I'm probably just confused. Same first impression after finishing it the first time...I have yet to know the subs but that will come soon. If there is anything about the pregnant thing then she must have gotten a abortion and it happened sometime where they do not tell us at all....could it be something to do when Touya took hold of her around her stomach when they were shopping around for the play materials? noteDhero said: Besides that, I felt like Mana's freak out was a little ridiculous, but then she's a child, so that's expected. Yuki's lame little lies are quite transparent, but Touya is so dumb it wouldn't really matter in the first place. The stuff with Haruka seems like nothing to me since we know nothing about her aside from the fact that she's gone bonkers since her brother died years ago. Eiji's crap with the painting doesn't bother me since I hope he goes utterly broke anyways, and I'm starting to feel like Kanzaki has missed out on a lot of the nuances of all the relationships even though she's the power player at the moment. I would not take Mana as a child by age but in mentality...yes! Also Mana's behaviour was ridiculous tough along the same lines but was more surprised as in O_O Haruka....we know she had a problem to learn tennis due to her brothers death....can it be she got over it somehow with this part of her playing tennis? Eiji ruined himself with his obsession so there is not feeling sorry for himself unless he gets over it somehow. I though Yuki could do that....guess not yet or cannot. noteDhero said: As far as Touya goes, I think it's clear that he is less scum than the average male. The fact is that he is so weak that he leads women on despite knowing what he is doing. We see him hold and kiss Rina when his inner monologue is "someone stop me." We see him constantly have sex with Yayoi even though he compares her to a thoughtless doll. We see him attempt to kiss Misaki even though we know he doesn't want to do it, just try to make her feel better. We see him loop himself into a date with the student affairs lady, even though he's saying (once again), "someone stop me." Then he ditches her in the middle of the date with no explanation the second Yayoi comes. Agree about Touya, he is a sex craver apart from other things too. noteDhero said: Once again, in this episode, he allows himself to be swept up in Yayoi, and even goes to see her. These are not the actions of a normal man. These are the actions of a man with little to no self esteem, self worth, or respect for other people's feelings. He has not done a single considerate thing in the course of this show, and I think that's quite a feat. Agreed and could not have said it better than you. Good analyzation... noteDhero said: Also, this was a horrendous looking episode. Touya had about 5 different faces, Mana had 3, Kanzaki had 2, and there was that terrible, janky animation again that was rife in season 1. Because of that taking me out of the moment, I just couldn't really like the episode despite a lot of the reveals. They are putting confusion on us to make it clear in the next episodes maybe? Once great writing....wish my english and thinking were as good as you to make things more interesting....well keep up the good commenting. I have come to a sad conclusion after thinking about this to the point of depression with a high imagination but the logic cannot be denied anymore..... If you look at a scene from episode 7 and this episode about Misaki and Tamaru.....also take into consideration the words of the subs. I assume but it is logic that Tamaru made Misaki pregnant...that means she is no longer a virgin, had problems because of the pregnancy with the club and demanded lots of money for her personal expenses and abortion because Tamaru did not want the baby nor did the father accept his marriage. Kind of understand now Misaki and what she meant by the many things from season 1.....especially inside the theater with Fujii....having taken your virginity, a pregnancy that ends up in abortion and having to demand money from the father.....a girl would think she is broken. What worries me is if Akira can handle it? I also think Tamaru lied to his father about Misaki of being a celebrity/maybe some girl of a rich/political family, he did lie to Hiiragi about stabbing because he never used a real knife. This is all based on the two following scenes and what was said between Tamaru/his father. If you compare both pics that is Misaki taking money and below is the father but above it is also the father if compared. So I don't think my logic is bad but if so Tamaru is worst scum than Fujii for having done something like that....Fujii does not even know this. |
francismeunierNov 26, 2009 4:25 AM
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| Yeah, I figured abortion had something to do with it, and the conversation with Tamaru's father was the only thing that pointed in that direction. This is the main problem when you have a show that is so dependent upon small plot details if you take a 6 month break between seasons. A lot of the nuance is lost just because you're trying to wrap your head around what happened in the previous season. I still would like to know whether or not I was right about thinking it had been intimated that Misaki was pregnant though. I just don't care enough to look back at previous episodes/discussions to check if I wrote anything. |
noteDhero said: Yeah, I figured abortion had something to do with it, and the conversation with Tamaru's father was the only thing that pointed in that direction. This is the main problem when you have a show that is so dependent upon small plot details if you take a 6 month break between seasons. A lot of the nuance is lost just because you're trying to wrap your head around what happened in the previous season. I still would like to know whether or not I was right about thinking it had been intimated that Misaki was pregnant though. I just don't care enough to look back at previous episodes/discussions to check if I wrote anything. I think it was intimated about her abortion....around the play part of Tamaru with Misaki/Fujii pairing but you have to read between the lines. There is almost no details or direct saying that I remind myself....the thing of Misaki being tainted does make sense more now that part was around the play of Tamaru when they were sneaking before the ambulance came to get her. |
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This is my endgame (prays to God): Touya and Misaki get stabbed by Drama Club President. Haruka commits suicide because her fragile mind can't take Touya's death. ex-Manager goes psycho at the concert and with a gun, kills Yayoi, Yuki, and Rina. Mana kills herself since she's a Yuki stalker. Eiji goes psycho from his ridiculous machinations and the loss of his two moneymakers. I said that at episode 10 of the first season. Pretty damn funny considering I still want all of this to happen except for Mana killing herself. Though, admittedly, I don't think any of it is going to happen anymore. edit: It's just so hard to say, because this episode made me feel like I remembered something very important. |
noteDheroNov 26, 2009 8:18 AM
| Woah surprise, huh? And wth ambush lol xD.. I'm starting to hate Yayoi with a passion. Almost as with Yuka in 11eyes although in this case it's more that she's inviting awkward situations every time she's near. (Yuka on the other hand should die for being so annoying) And uuh.. Mana-rage? Seems like Kanzaki actually cares about Mana? xD Wasabi said: What a trainwreck this episode was. If the train didn't already fall off a cliff and explode into a fireball, it definitely would've now. So many ridiculous things happened in this one episode. Things are getting quite screwed up aren't they? Anyway, I wonder how long it'll be before Touya realizes that he's doing stuff that he really shouldn't? |
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| @noteDhero - you basically summed up everything I've been trying to say about Touya since the beginning. He's just trying to please everyone without realizing he's just making shit worse. He's too weak to put his food down and say NO...although a few episodes he was rejecting Yayoi and it seemed like he was finally going to sort his feelings out about Yuki. But NOOOOO they revert his personality back :(. I was never under the impression that Misaki was preggos. Although I did believe she was raped by him, as I mentioned a while back when people where posting hate messages about how she doesn't put out to her b/f lol. Clearly a girl that was raped would be scared to have sex again. I suppose if she was preggos all the more reason to be scared or cautious. Quite frankly, that whole story bores me to death. I know somehow they're gonna try and tie it into the major story but even still, I find it boring to try and decipher that mess. So my assumption about Haruka either ]training to become a tennis player or killing herself was right. I wonder if she'll make it to becoming a sports idol. Would be ironic if everyone in the show becomes a star except for Touya. As for Touya's dad...I think it's pretty obvious that Yuki is related to him in some way. When he's looking at Yuki he sees another women, presumably his wife or another lover that looks exactly like Yuki. Another hint is that he's got something to tell Touya but every time he mentions Yuki, Touya stops him from continuing and calls him names. I suspect Touya might already know he's related to Yuki but doesn't want to admit it or accept it. It may also explain why he's so harsh on his dad. He's not just angry that he cheated but also because the girl he likes may actually be his step sister. He also calls his dad a pervert so it's still possible that his dad cheated or, at the very least, started dating another women once Touya's mom died. Whether or not it was Yuki's mom is another question. Yuki's the same age as Touya so that would mean he'd have to have been doing two women around the same time. Again these are all just guesses I've been posting since they started dropping hints. One other thing to keep in mind. We haven't heard anything about Yuki's parents. We've never seen them and they've never visited her before a concert. She's always at work but somehow finds a way to visit Touya's dad. Either they're trying hard to keep parents out of this series or they're planning for a twist real soon ;). |
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| LOL All the characters in this series are either retard or weird, excepted Yayoi who is almost became a character that steal the show. Anyway, this episode is one of the few interesting episodes in the series. And there are a few things that were twisted around. Haruka came back to life..... |
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DeathfireD said: I was never under the impression that Misaki was preggos. Although I did believe she was raped by him, as I mentioned a while back when people where posting hate messages about how she doesn't put out to her b/f lol. Clearly a girl that was raped would be scared to have sex again. I suppose if she was preggos all the more reason to be scared or cautious. Quite frankly, that whole story bores me to death. I know somehow they're gonna try and tie it into the major story but even still, I find it boring to try and decipher that mess. As for Touya's dad...I think it's pretty obvious that Yuki is related to him in some way. When he's looking at Yuki he sees another women, presumably his wife or another lover that looks exactly like Yuki. Another hint is that he's got something to tell Touya but every time he mentions Yuki, Touya stops him from continuing and calls him names. I suspect Touya might already know he's related to Yuki but doesn't want to admit it or accept it. It may also explain why he's so harsh on his dad. He's not just angry that he cheated but also because the girl he likes may actually be his step sister. He also calls his dad a pervert so it's still possible that his dad cheated or, at the very least, started dating another women once Touya's mom died. Whether or not it was Yuki's mom is another question. Yuki's the same age as Touya so that would mean he'd have to have been doing two women around the same time. Again these are all just guesses I've been posting since they started dropping hints. One other thing to keep in mind. We haven't heard anything about Yuki's parents. We've never seen them and they've never visited her before a concert. She's always at work but somehow finds a way to visit Touya's dad. Either they're trying hard to keep parents out of this series or they're planning for a twist real soon ;). That is excellent information about your thinking on Touya's dad/Yuki/Touya relation! About Misaki I also was not unders the impression at all in the first season but I understand her better....it would good to see her reactions again in the first season and thinkng that she was raped/pregnant then forced to have a abortion. BTW did it cost in those days for abortion? |
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francismeunier said: DeathfireD said: I was never under the impression that Misaki was preggos. Although I did believe she was raped by him, as I mentioned a while back when people where posting hate messages about how she doesn't put out to her b/f lol. Clearly a girl that was raped would be scared to have sex again. I suppose if she was preggos all the more reason to be scared or cautious. Quite frankly, that whole story bores me to death. I know somehow they're gonna try and tie it into the major story but even still, I find it boring to try and decipher that mess. As for Touya's dad...I think it's pretty obvious that Yuki is related to him in some way. When he's looking at Yuki he sees another women, presumably his wife or another lover that looks exactly like Yuki. Another hint is that he's got something to tell Touya but every time he mentions Yuki, Touya stops him from continuing and calls him names. I suspect Touya might already know he's related to Yuki but doesn't want to admit it or accept it. It may also explain why he's so harsh on his dad. He's not just angry that he cheated but also because the girl he likes may actually be his step sister. He also calls his dad a pervert so it's still possible that his dad cheated or, at the very least, started dating another women once Touya's mom died. Whether or not it was Yuki's mom is another question. Yuki's the same age as Touya so that would mean he'd have to have been doing two women around the same time. Again these are all just guesses I've been posting since they started dropping hints. One other thing to keep in mind. We haven't heard anything about Yuki's parents. We've never seen them and they've never visited her before a concert. She's always at work but somehow finds a way to visit Touya's dad. Either they're trying hard to keep parents out of this series or they're planning for a twist real soon ;). That is excellent information about your thinking on Touya's dad/Yuki/Touya relation! About Misaki I also was not unders the impression at all in the first season but I understand her better....it would good to see her reactions again in the first season and thinkng that she was raped/pregnant then forced to have a abortion. BTW did it cost in those days for abortion? In those days abortion was not a common practice...I'm not even sure it was legal yet. It might have been in Japan though. Most women would do self abortions on themselves by used clothes hangers or other objects which often resulted in them accidentally killing themselves too. Assuming the drama kid's dad was referring to Misaki when he mentioned paying for abortion, then we can guess that she had it done by a doctor secretly. I'm still not convinced Misaki was preggos though. The drama kid just likes to fuck chicks is all. |
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DeathfireD said: Yeah but it was Misaki in the pic I took to prove that exhorted the money so she might have been lying then Tamaru is a fool to have believed her if she was pregnant then your statement stays and if she went as far as hurt herself to get rid of the baby then she is seriously damaged goods as some people say for someone with a dramatic event.francismeunier said: DeathfireD said: I was never under the impression that Misaki was preggos. Although I did believe she was raped by him, as I mentioned a while back when people where posting hate messages about how she doesn't put out to her b/f lol. Clearly a girl that was raped would be scared to have sex again. I suppose if she was preggos all the more reason to be scared or cautious. Quite frankly, that whole story bores me to death. I know somehow they're gonna try and tie it into the major story but even still, I find it boring to try and decipher that mess. As for Touya's dad...I think it's pretty obvious that Yuki is related to him in some way. When he's looking at Yuki he sees another women, presumably his wife or another lover that looks exactly like Yuki. Another hint is that he's got something to tell Touya but every time he mentions Yuki, Touya stops him from continuing and calls him names. I suspect Touya might already know he's related to Yuki but doesn't want to admit it or accept it. It may also explain why he's so harsh on his dad. He's not just angry that he cheated but also because the girl he likes may actually be his step sister. He also calls his dad a pervert so it's still possible that his dad cheated or, at the very least, started dating another women once Touya's mom died. Whether or not it was Yuki's mom is another question. Yuki's the same age as Touya so that would mean he'd have to have been doing two women around the same time. Again these are all just guesses I've been posting since they started dropping hints. One other thing to keep in mind. We haven't heard anything about Yuki's parents. We've never seen them and they've never visited her before a concert. She's always at work but somehow finds a way to visit Touya's dad. Either they're trying hard to keep parents out of this series or they're planning for a twist real soon ;). That is excellent information about your thinking on Touya's dad/Yuki/Touya relation! About Misaki I also was not unders the impression at all in the first season but I understand her better....it would good to see her reactions again in the first season and thinkng that she was raped/pregnant then forced to have a abortion. BTW did it cost in those days for abortion? In those days abortion was not a common practice...I'm not even sure it was legal yet. It might have been in Japan though. Most women would do self abortions on themselves by used clothes hangers or other objects which often resulted in them accidentally killing themselves too. Assuming the drama kid's dad was referring to Misaki when he mentioned paying for abortion, then we can guess that she had it done by a doctor secretly. I'm still not convinced Misaki was preggos though. The drama kid just likes to fuck chicks is all. |
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Fabrice said: LOL All the characters in this series are either retard or weird, excepted Yayoi who is almost became a character that steal the show. ^ Nice saying there, Fabrice ^_^ |
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greenmush said: This shows has one of the most detailed forums discussion o_o Well, people seem to be pretty good at coming up with interesting details, that sometimes don't even have the slightest to do with the actual story : D And such people are apparantly easily attracted to a certain show about a jerk and his life as a jerk.. wait, and all the women from whom he can't decide which one he wants to be with. |
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Kira01 said: Somehow, it looks a lot like a nice boat ending. I'm actually kinda hoping for that, and I might have mentioned that at other points during this season : > |
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| okay ... this is confusing after not watching for a few weeks |
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| again...Touya is still seduced by Shinozuka I don't really understand the Tamaru crying part...what are he actually planning to do? |
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BitchMaster said: S-stop it.... My eyes, as well as my heart won't be able to withstand another provocative screenshot like this one... *_________* though some part of me still yearns for MOAR though, I don't know what exactly do I want anymore... Same exact thoughts here. LOL Touya's thoughts on the ending of the episode: "Haruka. She's reborn." Ugghh like he cares in the first place, maybe he's starting to realize people move on with their lives and that the world doesn't revolve around him! :P |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Already lost count how many times the manager Yayoi kissed Touya (including the one this episode in the bathroom). What a weak bastard. |
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| Mana finally accepted the truth. I loved the scene that featured Tamaru crying. He's crazy, and it's great to see that he is being punished by his father. I don't get the last scene though. They showed Haruka playing tennis, and said that she was reborn. Was she playing with Mana, and was it implying that Mana helped Haruka be reborn. Or was it saying that Mana and Haruka are one in the same. Hence Mana was reborn as Haruka. Maybe I'm over analyzing it. |
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| I really dont get why the main character insults his father all the time.. i mean if he hates him that much why do he visit him at the hospital anyway, as if he would care for him... its so stupid |
| Didn't really expected that ending that she would tennis again, well for once that sure was actually interesting to see! Other than that a lot more drama development and well let's see what's next! |
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| Damn is Yayo bold. She came into the men's bathroom jsut to get Touya's dick in her. They had sex in the bathroom and they weren't even that far from Rina or Yuki. HOw can Touya say to Yuki or anyone "I love you." I really do hope he ends up alone or broken. Don;t know why Touya keeps insulting his father. Does he really care about him? Mana really blew up this episode. So much anger! The look she gave he mother. Damn! |
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| I don't know much about the White Album games, but so far it feels like Touya is purposefully heading towards the worst possible route and is sometimes being an utter scumbag. Season 1 seemed like this was the case, but season 2 is confirming it so far. |
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