| Well anyway I didn't predict this thread would go totally ballistic so I feel like I should apologize to the mod staff. I really don't think this one is on me this time though whereas l cop to pushing the envelope earlier in the week. I guess now would be a good time to just stop posting since the thread is totally against me on everything at the moment. |
| kaioshin_sama, listen man, sometimes its best to not fight a dying battle. People are legitimately countering your statements with legit facts and your stand is getting a bit inconsistent by trying to counter everything, I dont necessarily disagree with you on everything said here but you are going about expressing it in all the wrong ways |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: kaioshin_sama, listen man, sometimes its best to not fight a dying battle. People are legitimately countering your statements with legit facts and your stand is getting a bit inconsistent by trying to counter everything, I dont necessarily disagree with you on everything said here but you are going about expressing it in all the wrong ways Its not always easy having to argue with 5+ people all at the same time and having to remember what each specific persons little tiff and specific points are. Frankly I'm not seeing too many facts beyond the never been in the top 100 overall thing so much as personal petty bullshit. I'm also sorry but I refuse to cow to pressure by numbers telling me what an awful and wrong person I am. I agree its time for a breather now to let everyone and myself cool off for a bit, but that's about it. |
hpulley said: rederoin said: Yeah, we should start the pool for Madoka Magica Rebellion now! With the recap movies over 100K I wonder if it can go even higher than that? Is 180K too conservative? Or did most of that 100K belong to the 80K that already bought the TV series singles?hpulley said: rederoin said: No, Chuunibyo 2 will be out by then so we won't be talking about KnK anymore...So will this go on until V2 of KnK is out? And Nisekoi will probably do poorly but that will be ignored when the next big Shaft success comes out. So until the madoka movie gets put up on stalker? I think going by how much good the movie did at the box office compared to the recap movies will be a decent way to look at it. 200k would not be that surprising, I guess it will be somewhere 200k-300k, but that could be really far off. I think it'll be the best selling anime movie(after the ghibli movies) of 2014, though. |
rederoinDec 8, 2013 12:39 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: JizzyHitler said: kaioshin_sama, listen man, sometimes its best to not fight a dying battle. People are legitimately countering your statements with legit facts and your stand is getting a bit inconsistent by trying to counter everything, I dont necessarily disagree with you on everything said here but you are going about expressing it in all the wrong ways Its not always easy having to argue with 5+ people all at the same time and having to remember what each specific persons little tiff and specific points are. Frankly I'm not seeing too many facts beyond the never been in the top 100 overall thing so much as personal petty bullshit. I'm also sorry but I refuse to cow to pressure by numbers telling me what an awful and wrong person I am. I agree its time for a breather now to let everyone and myself cool off for a bit, but that's about it. I'm not saying give up because of numbers, i was saying give up because your argument became extremely skewed and your attempts to salvage it made it fall a part even more, its like how you acted in that new sunrise show's thread, you let emotions get the better of you and made your argument become jumbled and inconsistent with itself as well as frequently off point straying away from the original topic. i just think you need to calm down a bit sometimes cause you can make some good points but the way you express them ruins them because you let it get to you too easilly |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Kaioshin_Sama said: JizzyHitler said: kaioshin_sama, listen man, sometimes its best to not fight a dying battle. People are legitimately countering your statements with legit facts and your stand is getting a bit inconsistent by trying to counter everything, I dont necessarily disagree with you on everything said here but you are going about expressing it in all the wrong ways Its not always easy having to argue with 5+ people all at the same time and having to remember what each specific persons little tiff and specific points are. Frankly I'm not seeing too many facts beyond the never been in the top 100 overall thing so much as personal petty bullshit. I'm also sorry but I refuse to cow to pressure by numbers telling me what an awful and wrong person I am. I agree its time for a breather now to let everyone and myself cool off for a bit, but that's about it. I'm not saying give up because of numbers, i was saying give up because your argument became extremely skewed and your attempts to salvage it made it fall a part even more, its like how you acted in that new sunrise show's thread, you let emotions get the better of you and made your argument become jumbled and inconsistent with itself as well as frequently off point straying away from the original topic. i just think you need to calm down a bit sometimes cause you can make some good points but the way you express them ruins them because you let it get to you too easilly You're free to see it that way I suppose. I think I've remained plenty calm and am not seeing where my argument is falling apart so much as people are claiming it is considering I haven't even really made one so much as come back to address an ongoing theory that I'm still not going to be convinced is completely debunked until I see more raw numbers. People are attributing things to me yeah and I've owned up to some like being unclear on the benchmark but denied others are true. |
PeacingOutDec 8, 2013 12:52 PM
rederoin said: I honestly have no idea how much it can sell and can't really make any predictions but I'll try to add something.hpulley said: rederoin said: Yeah, we should start the pool for Madoka Magica Rebellion now! With the recap movies over 100K I wonder if it can go even higher than that? Is 180K too conservative? Or did most of that 100K belong to the 80K that already bought the TV series singles?hpulley said: rederoin said: No, Chuunibyo 2 will be out by then so we won't be talking about KnK anymore...So will this go on until V2 of KnK is out? And Nisekoi will probably do poorly but that will be ignored when the next big Shaft success comes out. So until the madoka movie gets put up on stalker? I think going by how much good the movie did compared to the recap movies will be a decent way to look at it. 200k would not be that surprising, I guess it will be somewhere 200k-300k, but that could be really far off. I think it'll be the best selling anime movie(after the ghibli movies) of 2014, though. We know K-ON! Movie's numbers - ~150k. We also know that Rebellion is doing better. Now, this is just a guess and I might be completely wrong but I feel like madoka has more 'hardcore' fans than K-ON!so they would be more willing to spend significant amount of money on the movie (BD vs ticket). Considering Rebellion is already doing better at box office, the difference in sales should be pretty big. So... 250k shouldn't be too farfetched? I'm sure it won't reach Eva 2.0's numbers and honestly doubt it will even get remotely close to 3.0 but it would certainly be awesome. To be honest, I'll be incredibly happy even with barely overtaking K-ON! movie. Previously I feared that while Madoka has amazing reviews among otaku, the size of its potential fanbase is actually much lower than other big hits with much more mainstream appeal but Rebellion's success eases my worries a bit. Knowing that franchise is still going strong merchandise-wise despite no new material for like 30 months also helps. e: Kaioshin_Sama said: You don't HAVE TO reply to everyone.Its not always easy having to argue with 5+ people all at the same time and having to remember what each specific persons little tiff and specific points are. Frankly I'm not seeing too many facts beyond the never been in the top 100 overall thing so much as personal petty bullshit. I'm also sorry but I refuse to cow to pressure by numbers telling me what an awful and wrong person I am. I agree its time for a breather now to let everyone and myself cool off for a bit, but that's about it. I think you actually give in to the pressure, let the emotions get better of you, feel oppressed and start to think people are out to get you, resulting in you only noticing personal comments, overlooking actual arguments. Like the one about unique characteristics of episode 10. You degraded it to "you think it's great but I think it's just decent", completely ignoring everything else I have written - in what way the episode is different from rest, how it affects understanding of previous episodes and so on. You saw the word "masterpiece", shut off your mind and went on a blind rant about tastes, not paying attention to arguments provided. |
ProgeuszDec 8, 2013 12:54 PM
Progeusz said: I think you actually give in to the pressure, let the emotions get better of you, feel oppressed and start to think people are out to get you, resulting in you only noticing personal comments, overlooking actual arguments. Like the one about unique characteristics of episode 10. You degraded it to "you think it's great but I think it's just decent", completely ignoring everything else I have written - in what way the episode is different from rest, how it affects understanding of previous episodes and so on. You saw the word "masterpiece", shut off your mind and went on a blind rant about tastes, not paying attention to arguments provided. I've discussed my thoughts about that episode in the actual show thread itself, I don't think it's particularly worth addressing them at length again in a general sales thread, I'd rather keep it as close to the subject at hand as I can considering it is already a borderline topic. Still I felt I addressed what I needed to with regard to how I felt about that episode, that I don't agree it's anything approaching a masterpiece and that you said you still think it's a poor show but just makes more sense now which I happen to agree with while I also feel it's just patching up a broken narrative by justifying some of the seemingly bizarre actions one character did like 2 months ago in terms of episodes. I don't think it makes her a particularly strong character, as a twist it's pretty much on the bottom of the totem poll of what I would consider an "aha" moment and...yeah I just don't see the masterpiece here, but then again I haven't seen anything I would consider a creative masterpiece since Red Line in 2009 and of course that was one of the biggest bombs of the current era of anime. Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that others don't see it that way and really I'm not surprised that Japan would respond that strongly eventually. Japan adores Kyoani and surely wants to buy their output, they just need a little more incentive than what we've seen from that show so far. I don't know what else I could possibly address about what you posted but if you feel there's some point I've unfairly ignored you're more than welcome to tell me and I'll see what I can come up with. Obvious warning is you might not like it or think I'm ranting blindly or something. I'll just add it's hard not to feel like you're being put on trial when within moments of your posting several people show up to tell you what a dreadfully wrong asshole you're being all the time. |
PeacingOutDec 8, 2013 1:37 PM
| I already said it was top seller of the season or bust, really not sure why people keep insisting I'm moving the goal post or anything else. I don't think I'm the person being delusional here when I've made that specific benchmark multiple times You can't claim somebody is doing something if you know....they aren't. Also i thought I remember reading a count where Gundam 00 did better than K-On for disc sales but maybe I'm confusing K-On for Haruhi and 00 for Unicorn. Probably the case. |
PeacingOutDec 8, 2013 6:16 PM
scytheavatar said: nagatoyuki108 said: skudoops said: nagatoyuki108 said: Why is Kyoukai no Kanata so unpopular? It's easily one of the best shows this season. To sum it up from what I've watched of it, it's pretty much all flash with zero substance. What do you mean? While its plot isn't the best by any means, it isn't bad, either. In addition, Mirai is adorable enough that Kyoukai no Kanata would still be one of the best shows of the season even if the plot were terrible. It's pretty much the weakest Kyoani series ever, the fact that they got a complete amateur as a director is pretty obvious and he screwed up what could have been a very good series. Like you said, it isn't bad but neither is it "the best by any means" and you haven't watch all the shows this season if you think KnK is one of the best shows this season. Best show this season is either Non Non Biyori or Kuroko no Basket S2, there are plenty of shows this season that's better too. There are also a ton of characters this season who are more adorable than Mirai. I kind of lead more towards White Album 2, Yowamushi Pedal, Ace of Diamond, Gundam Build Fighters and Kyousougiga. All very good in their own way. |
5chan said: ^ But Kyoukai no kanata is better than all of them. It is projected to sell 5,000+ by the time it is released. Those other shows will not even make it to 3,000. Stalker projections for their initial volumes (2013/12/09): BD DVD Total Days to release Anime name 2,634 *,*** 2,634 15 White Album 2 (BD only) 1,817 *,819 2,626 *0 Kyousougiga 2,981 *,661 3,642 15 Gundam Build Fighters *,*** *,*** *,*** ** Diamond no Ace (not on Stalker) 1,709 2,606 4,315 10 Yowamushi Pedal 2,879 1,414 4,293 29 Kyoukai no Kanata I wouldn't count out WA2 reaching at least 3k, as it seems to be charting well at Gamers... where the Stalker projections are only based on the rankings at Amazon JP, amount of Nico Nico preorders and whether they are BD-BOXes (in the case of Gundam Build Fighters). |
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phoenixalia said: 5chan said: ^ But Kyoukai no kanata is better than all of them. It is projected to sell 5,000+ by the time it is released. Those other shows will not even make it to 3,000. I can't believe I'm saying this but just because something sells so much, it doesn't mean the 'other shows' like Samurai Flamenco or Yowamushi Pedal aren't as good as that particular show. And vice-versa. Besides, don't forget that KnK volume 1 has an event ticket so there will most probably be a drop of some sort for volume 2+. It does to some kinds of people sadly, but honestly I don't care what those kind of people think really. Besides almost all the shows I really like sell terriblly cause they don't usually appeal to the core otaku audience in Japan anyway (I don't really consider myself otaku in terms of what I tend to look for yet I do enjoy anime) yet it doesn't stop me from finding enjoyment from them and not finding anything to appreciate about some of the best selling stuff out there, but of course there's always exceptions like Gundam UC, Shingeki no Kyojin, Jojo and Yamato 2199 to name a recent few that go on to be big disc sellers. Anyway point is troll baiting or not which I think that post is, it sucks for the other people that really do base their reception and evaluation of a show off of how well it does or is projected to do in one region disc sales wise. It must be a really hollow experience. |
PeacingOutDec 9, 2013 12:42 AM
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Haven't you forgot KuroBas or Aoki Hagane? Well I guess you are into neither.... Besides, it is not as if Kill la Kill would bomb, though it is clearly losing momentum (in terms of sales prediction I mean).It just makes it SO unbelievably hard to be hopeful for the future if your not into the Non Non Biyori's, Infinite Stratos', Monogatari's or whatever the heck てさぐれ-部活もの translates too of the anime world. Kaioshin_Sama said: Thing is most people here would tell you that you should have long dropped your theory and yet you came back again and again jumping and exclaiming you finally found some "evidence" that your theory is correct after all. And again you are to be proven wrong. In fact SnK v1 ranking is going down as we speak. As I said time and again before, each new episode can bring a boost if it is deemed by watchers to be a good one - good enough for them to start buying the series (which is why a good episode this late can have an effect on sales of vol.1). And it just happens that the latest episode is deemed a good one (and Proguesz explained the reason very well so I won't repeat here) so the boost is stronger, but does it mean that it will become the bestseller of the season? To be honest, none except the very uninformed or biased will think it still has chance to become one. I think I already said I'll consider the theory debunked if Kyokai does what the current predictions say it will but the situation keeps changing. One decent episode and the show has a massive unprecedented reversal of fortune albeit mostly for the first two volumes. Kaioshin_Sama said: Such stubbornness only gave you the impression of being hidebound and having tin ear. As JizzyHitler said, you are letting your prejudice get the better of you and you are leaning on some pretty skewed reasoning and flimsy pieces of "evidence" for your arguments. It is not whether you are "cowed" but more whether you have the ability to see the facts as they are and let go of your extreme bias.Its not always easy having to argue with 5+ people all at the same time and having to remember what each specific persons little tiff and specific points are. Frankly I'm not seeing too many facts beyond the never been in the top 100 overall thing so much as personal petty bullshit. I'm also sorry but I refuse to cow to pressure by numbers telling me what an awful and wrong person I am. I agree its time for a breather now to let everyone and myself cool off for a bit, but that's about it. Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, you said here you bet SnK would sustain its high position after the idol episode and then you claimed that you did not say such thing. No wonder people would suspect you backpedal or move the goalpost. I don't think I'm the person being delusional here when I've made that specific benchmark multiple times You can't claim somebody is doing something if you know....they aren't. |
symbvDec 9, 2013 7:58 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: There are also people like me and many others who love cute characters but still aren't amused by KnK. Mirai is too forced, I can't even view her as cute. Mitsuki, Ai and Sakura are nice but aren't developed well enough.Keep in mind that "good" is completely a matter of your own subjective preferences. If someone doesn't care about cute characters, then trying to convince them Kyoukai is good because Mirai is cute will obviously not get you anywhere. Everyone wants something slightly different from each show. We can't apply our tastes to other people and expect the same result. I'm not watching much this season but in my opinion Kill la Kill, Kyousou Giga and Non Non Biyori are in completely different league than KnK. Kuroko no Basuke 2, Magi S2, Nagi no Asukara, Valvrave 2, Hajime no Ippo - Rising are also much better. |
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