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| Now it just got real! This episode confirmed that Ledo didn't bring the Hideauze with him since they said the whalesquid are considered sacred from long ago. Therefore, the Hideauze might be squid brought from Earth but mutated in space. The commander is in a pinch, and our Ledo x Amy are also a pinch. 1 week until we know what will happen ~ too long~ |
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bastek66 said: Serioulsy, his tan was noticed last week Yes but this episode is so clear that make Ledo eyes glowing even more. I wonder last ep will be that dark??? hahahaha |
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Takuan_Soho said: jose21 said: Nanomachines doesn't mean they are not living creatures. In fact, I think i found something maybe similar to what they have in the series: http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/mit-completes-virus-built-nanomachine-battery/ Not quite sure how this is a "nanomachine", the article even says these are "micro batteries" (my guess is that they wanted to have "nano" in it because that is better marketing - granted they use nanotubes, but that doesn't necessarily make this a nanomachine). Also, far from being a machine, this process uses a biological entities propensity to attach to inorganic materials, but that in and of itself doesn't make it a machine (and given that this article is 4 years old, it seems as if the process has had some issues in itself). That said it does appear that one can generate life from passing an electric charge through chemicals (at least my vague memory of biology tells me), so the division between organic and inorganic is not that rigid. Still, this doesn't change my comments about the writer, had the writer shown any real understanding of this level of science, I would have been far more impressed and accepting. By the biological definition, a nanomachine or nanite cannot be a living being. It can be inside a living being, but it itself is not alive. And BTW, a virus is also technically not a living being either. |
| Finally the plot is advancing and things are getting a lot more serious. The whale squid is clearly related to Hideauze but the humans on Gargantia worship them. Bellows and Pinion seem so close and understanding of one another, they're definitely a pair. :P I really liked how the scene with the whale squids traveling under the fleet felt so awesome and intense. I feel so sorry for Ledo. I seriously liked how he was like "I cannot do my duty as long I am here. I am a soldier". For his entire life he has been fighting Hideauze in space and to see the enemy right in front of him, not being able to take action because of another party giving him other reasons for him not to terminate them is just absurd. Also, the commodore having a heart attack made things a lot worse, hot damn! Great episode overall, definitely better than the past few 'fanservicey' and slice of life episodes :) 5/5 |
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Irenesharda said: Takuan_Soho said: jose21 said: Nanomachines doesn't mean they are not living creatures. In fact, I think i found something maybe similar to what they have in the series: http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/mit-completes-virus-built-nanomachine-battery/ Not quite sure how this is a "nanomachine", the article even says these are "micro batteries" (my guess is that they wanted to have "nano" in it because that is better marketing - granted they use nanotubes, but that doesn't necessarily make this a nanomachine). Also, far from being a machine, this process uses a biological entities propensity to attach to inorganic materials, but that in and of itself doesn't make it a machine (and given that this article is 4 years old, it seems as if the process has had some issues in itself). That said it does appear that one can generate life from passing an electric charge through chemicals (at least my vague memory of biology tells me), so the division between organic and inorganic is not that rigid. Still, this doesn't change my comments about the writer, had the writer shown any real understanding of this level of science, I would have been far more impressed and accepting. By the biological definition, a nanomachine or nanite cannot be a living being. It can be inside a living being, but it itself is not alive. And BTW, a virus is also technically not a living being either. Yeap, you guys are right. Sorry, I got concept the wrong. I got a little curious, and did a quick research and clear the misunderstanding I had. |
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Maelis said: Spirai said: I understand where the people of Gargantia are coming from and why they're pissed at Ledo. He's constantly acting on his own when it comes to these decisions and he doesn't share the same perspective or co-existence policy as theirs but I just can't help but side with Ledo here. Bellows didn't even explain anything about the whalesquids to him. It's not as if his reaction was completely unexpected. I mean he pulled a gun on a dead one during the festival. She was there. She saw that And the people are so damn hypocritical. The whalesquids are sacred to you? Then why did you eat them? Why do you have them on your 'special banquet' menu? They use Ledo for everything crucial and then bitch about it when he 'ruins their peace'. He protected their ships from the pirates. He was able to insure they were able to have much more drinking water. He's the reason they can go salvage that crap from the sea. Yet they barely acknowledge him. One or two paychecks yet no explanations. They treat him as if he's supposed to know their culture and understand what to do and not do. And from Ledo's point of view, they're the ones in a standstill. They're the ones that refuse to understand he's a soldier- through and through. How else do you expect a soldier of that caliber to react? Moreover, they don't even want to know about his culture or what he believes in. Ledo sees himself moving forward. And he is, according to the Alliance's policy- even if it may be wrong. He's doing his job, he's doing what he was born (or maybe cloned) to do. Yet they disregard all that. All of that is part of his culture and who he is. If you disregard that and call it wrong, aren't you disregarding his whole being? Aren't you just waving off all that he is just because it doesn't make sense to you? Aren't you then, calling him an empty shell of a soldier? How else is he supposed to feel? Sorry to disagree with you here, you said you understand the people of Gargantia, but it seems like you didn't and what you said is totally from Ledo's point of view. The first thing I want to point out is that what they have in their "special" meal is an octopus, not the whalesquid, if you mind checking it again. Next, he indeed protect them from the pirate, that is true, but the cause of the pirate attacking them is because he killed the pirate in the first place. You may argue that well because the pirate tried to rope them so Ledo protected them, well yeah, but they have lived like that for a while now, they let them rope, and when they satisfy, they leave, they don't freaking bring a fleet to destroy them. This was in the human history in fact, for example the weaker country will supply the stronger one, as long as you don't fight them, they will just leave you at that. About the people of Gargantia ignoring the culture where Ledo come from, well ..., have u ever lived in another country for a long time? There is a saying "when in roman, do as the romans do", I have been living in Finland for 4 years and I am not Finnish, can I just simply live the way I was in my country? No, I have to cope with the way things are here, the price, the lifestyle, the language, the thinking, the culture, everything. So as Ledo, he is in a society with people having a different culture than his, and you can clearly see that he is the one that is different here, he cannot live the way he was if he want to exist in Gargantia. The final scene in this ep prove this better, he want to leave, yes, because he cannot follow the rules here. So? Are the people of Gargantia at fault? No, you can see at the beginning when he arrived at Gargantia that the people were living peacefully, they don't really need Ledo to make their life better. They let the pirate rope them a bit and they leave, they let the whalesquid alone, and well those creatures won't do a thing. Why violent when u can resolve with peace? The next question is, Is Ledo the one who is wrong? Well again No, he just have something people call culture shock, I don't say that what he do is wrong, to him it is his purpose, his reason for living. But, if he really do want to exist in Gargantia, he has to change all of that, If he can't, he can just leave, like he is about to do at the end of this episode. If I made you mad, then you have to know that I have the same feeling with you watching this anime, I am indeed in Ledo's side. But please, look at it in a broader way, a view point of an outsider, not from any of the sides in this anime and you may ease your anger. Because this (the anime's views on a lot of things) is childish and naive. Their policy on the pirates was completely stupid and made no sense at all. If ledo hadn't stepped in, the anime made it clear that the pirates would have either killed those people or taken them as slaves in the first encounter. Weakness and giving in to demands is precisely what encourages people like that and those scenes showed the people of gargantia for what they are, despicable, cowards. They are the type of people who will see a woman getting attacked and do absolutely nothing, pretending nothing is happening, because they fear retaliation if they notice it, even when that woman is their wife or their daughter. Then when someone actually tries to protect her or she tries to fight back, they will get angry at the victim/defender for bringing the attacker's attention to others. Despicable. Not to mention the whole "live and let live" ideology luckily does not apply to ledo. They are more than happy to threaten or kill him at multiple moments in the series. Hell, the start of show has the fleet wanting to kill ledo to steal his ship, which is almost the definition of piracy. This is likely just the result of poor writing though. I can understand their view on the whalesquids though. They don't know anything about the war and they don't have the technology to really protect themselves from them. All they can really do is avoid them and the raw power of these creatures has led to an almost religious awe/fear. Ledo is literally stirring up the hornet's nest in an attempt to protect them from a future threat they believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can avoid with their current practices. From the perspective of Ledo and the viewer though, we know the greater part of humanity is at a war for survival with these creatures. Thus this leads Ledo, and the viewer, to see the people of gargantia as living an idealistic life, not wanting to rock the boat, while Ledo and people like him die fighting the hideous so that they can maintain their childish ideology. Anyway, this show seems to be going in the direction of silly, childish, anti war, no reason to fight for any reason (unless it is against Ledo). I'm not exactly thrilled about this, but i guess some people like that. |
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zeroryoko1974 said: Ika Musume must be their leader LMAO |
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CallMeIshmael said: Irenesharda said: By the biological definition, a nanomachine or nanite cannot be a living being. It can be inside a living being, but it itself is not alive. And BTW, a virus is also technically not a living being either. That's a false dichotomy - making the assumption that there is a hard and fast line between life ("organic") and non-life ("inorganic"). The famous 7 life signs are more ad-hoc descriptions than an actual theory, and there are proto-theories based on entropy, self organization, and other related concepts that better take into account that there is no definitive threshold to consider something alive. The physicist Schroedinger wrote a famous book "What is life", that among other things basically predicted that general properties of DNA, and was credited by Watson and Crick for ideas/inspiration. Also, the whole abortion "debate" is based on choosing a definition of life that suits either sides ideology. I only operate within the facts of my field. A nanomachine is not a living thing, biologically speaking. Now you can say what you want in any other field, but biologically and chemically, a nanomachine does not have the components to be a living organism. (Physics usually operates on a slightly different plane than the other two main life sciences, and since that is not my forte, I will not argue with you on what physics dictates.) And by the way, chemically speaking, "organic" and "living" do not always coincide either. Something can be organic and not living. |
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zeroryoko1974 said: Oh god.Ika Musume must be their leader I havn't laughed so hard in awhile. DAMN YOU. |
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Yvese said: zeroryoko1974 said: Oh god.Ika Musume must be their leader I havn't laughed so hard in awhile. DAMN YOU. She finally got her revenge on humanity. All the Hideauze (or however you spell it) is really doing is going around cleaning up shit. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
TsukiumiFanboy said: everyone on that fleet is stupid. just get out of ledos way and yes they seem similar to the reapers if they only target advanced civilization It's hardly stupid from their standpoint. The Hidiaazu have been there for quite a while and are more than a match for anything the people on earth could bring to bear against them. As long as they don't attack them they're left alone. Not to mention a great deal of the humans consider them to be sacred. MaxCrazy7 said: Damn if Ledo brought the hideauze with him, that thing sure has great adaptation abilities which make me think it might be man-made after all and that maybe it originate there. So are you trying to say that Ledo brought them or that they were already here? We know he didn't bring them. The humans on earth know too much about them. They have them far back in their history. |
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Their policy on the pirates was completely stupid and made no sense at all. If ledo hadn't stepped in, the anime made it clear that the pirates would have either killed those people or taken them as slaves in the first encounter. Weakness and giving in to demands is precisely what encourages people like that and those scenes showed the people of gargantia for what they are, despicable, cowards. Based on Bellow's reaction, that wasn't the first time they have encountered pirates(she was stubborn and even tried to provoke them, so she used to it). And there weren't any slaves to be shown on pirate's fleet either (except the 2 girls, but I hardly doubt they were real slaves). So the anime didn't make it clear that they would be taken into slave or killed. It's true that giving them demands will only encourage them, but then again, what can Gargantia people do in the first place? Ledo is a completely stranger to them, his power or purposes were unknown. He might be here today, but tmr he might be not. It's not like they can depend on his military force forever. But hey, next episode he will leave the fleet, so who's gonna protect them now? What if the pirates know this and strike back? Countless of people would die, there won't be Gargantia anymore cause they don't have the right tool to wage a war. Anyway, this show seems to be going in the direction of silly, childish, anti war, no reason to fight for any reason (unless it is against Ledo). I'm not exactly thrilled about this, but i guess some people like that. That's why we have Ledo as a main character and he's a soldier. His concepts about most of thing are completely different with Gargantia people. What Gargantia does, he does the opposite. |
zeroryoko1974 said: Ika Musume must be their leader LoL |
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AoiMizu said: I feel sorry for Ledo it not his fault that he automatic kill that whalesquid! His experience from war with Hideauze make him trauma and kill them.....TT^TT BTW...Ledo got tanned now. His skin a bit darker from before.  >>>> isn't this because he's been out in the sun a lot more now? You can see the difference in skin tones with Amy and Bebel too :) just thought I'd point that out |
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crushonyouxo said: isn't this because he's been out in the sun a lot more now? You can see the difference in skin tones with Amy and Bebel too :) just thought I'd point that out Yes, but I'm interesting in Ledo development. Amy and Bebel is quiet normal if they got tan cause they live in tropical weather. |
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XartaX said: The Aizawa sisters and restaurant were merely a setback!Yvese said: zeroryoko1974 said: Oh god.Ika Musume must be their leader I havn't laughed so hard in awhile. DAMN YOU. She finally got her revenge on humanity. All the Hideauze (or however you spell it) is really doing is going around cleaning up shit. She got the last laugh! |
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| The beginning fight turned out as I expected, short and not very dramatic. The episode was mainly talking about the fight, then there was almost a massacre but that didnt happen. Interesting about the people who want to leave tho, and that captain dieing at the worst time, could he be faking probably not but i cant picture it in a different series lol |
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| The story is finally moving with the current, and as I expected since the previous episode, what the humans who lives on the Gargantia are calling it a wavesquid, its actually Hideazui that Ledo has offered his live to annihilate. To know that these Wavesquids are actually sacret being on this planet, and killing them was a great taboo was a big surprise, and I think there is more to this that we will probably know the upcoming episodes. Especially with all the treasures they are supposed to hold, hopefully some history in it as well. I'm thinking more of that Ledo is in a time line centuries after the war in the space that Ledo himself participated in as a soldier. The speech Ledo did against Ridget was something else. Humans shouldn't fight against each other and one day annihilate themselves slowly. That sure left some sting into Ridget for sure. Ledo is pissed, and I like it. It was about time we finally see how cold he can be as a soldier, and to protect his ideal and fight, but the Hideazus might have other thing in mind. Unless they are provoked, I don't think they will attack, but that's just unpredictable. We saw how many of them just swam right under the fleet like it was some warning on how easily they could destroy the fleet if they are provoked enough. Now at the end of the episode, we see a heart breaking moment of the commodore having a heart attack. (Damn you, Kira!). One would think that UroBUTCHER planned this, but as said that he will direct the final episode of this show, this is probably something "light" compared to what he has in mind. Also nice grab Pinion, I would never have held myself to stare right into Bellow's eyes when you had the chance to look down.  I have to say though, the visuals for this show has been stunning. |
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| This episode just saved Gargantia from entering my dropped list. Irenesharda said: If anyone hasn't read this, it's awesome! Who knew Red was so good with words? THIS. These are the questions, the answers of which are what so many viewers of this anime, including myself, have been looking for. Funny that full-fledged SoL was even a option. Funny that people have dismissed the contents of the first episode as a mere backdrop to the more "enlightening" experience of Ledo's humanization. Ledo is "learning" to be more human? "Character development"? Give me a damn break. Just what makes people think Gargantia is the ideal height of human civilization? The SoL fans watching this anime have dismissed those of us who have sought real plot as "action mecha fans" who would be better off watching Gundam and other similar laser shows. "This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin," they claim. Well, this episode just proved that it WAS all along. The Gargantians are a bunch of peace-loving fishermen who have never thought of venturing beyond the waters around their fleet save for a few like Pinion and Flange. Ledo comes along and awakens them to the fact that there is a larger, far more advanced human civilization in outer space (though most of them still seem not to have grasped the idea). The last two episodes had me going on the ridiculous possibility of Ledo simply throwing out his past and becoming a member of the primordial society that is Gargantia. It made me sick, just as it would have if Eren Jaeger had decided to join the Police Corps after seeing his mother eaten alive by a titan. In essence, that's what Gargantia is. They are a people content to live within the walls of their own existence, like a herd of cattle, and like Ledo said, never wondering at the future of their civilization or what could be out there. And the ones oppressing them are the pirates and, now, it seems, an army of squid. You go kill those tentacle monsters, Ledo. When the Gargantians shoo you away, you can either talk sense into them or look for the truth underwater and get back to the Alliance. |
tealcactusMay 20, 2013 3:13 AM
| Okay. Here is my monster post on this episode. summer vacation does this.... i'm so bored .... :( feel free to criticize! Would like to know what you guys think. I'm so terrible at this stuff I won't be surprised if i get flamed to death...........Also, I probably won't be able to respond to them until later, sorry, i need to sleeeeeep. *Concerning Ledo’s decision to continue fighting the squid monsters hideous things: Ledo should not have just attacked the whalesquid - he should have gathered some more information on them first regarding their relationship with the Gargantians etc. although his reaction is both expected and reasonable given his past experience. Furthermore, Ledo is also completely justified in continuing fighting the whalesquids- based on the education and knowledge of his life as a soldier - hideazeu pose a real threat to the people he was fighting for and also the residents of earth in the future. It is in his long run interest to eliminate as many of them as possible. However, he is literally just one machine and is rather ill prepared to jump right in. The Gargantians actually just prepared to fight the hideaus. Most likely they'll end up biting more than they can chew and the Gargantians will take the brunt for the backfire. If fluffy blonde guy wishes to salvage from whalesquid areas he should have invested in creating better whalesquid proof technology not just mooching off of Ledo. As it seems right now attacking the whalesquid is like opening Pandora’s box. *Concerning Gargantia attitudes towards the whalesquids: Now regarding the gargantians attitude towards not killing whalesquids and the whole hippie attitude iwht them: we will assume only what the Gargantians know about whalesquids (ignore ledo’s points for now). I read some comments on how they are “living in fear refusing to progress as a society,” and I have not really gotten that feeling from the way the Gargantians live. As far as the Gargantians are concerned, whale squids are large powerful creatures that have never bothered them unprovoked. This is completely different from attack on Titan, where the Titans are show to actively seek humans to eat when around them. Furthermore, Gargantians are not locked up behind a wall and refuse to explore the world or go outside etc because of whalesquids like with the Titans. It's more like their confined by their method of travel between Galaxys.Their living style do not, as far as I’m aware, revolve around avoiding whalesquids. That being said, powerful creatures that are serious threats when provoked are not uncommon in nature. Real whales can capsize boats easily if angered to attack (I’m not sure about whether real whales is an example etc, we can replace this with elephant herds etc lol). Clearly it is in the interest of sardine fishermen etc not to provoke large whales when they see them and to try not to bother them when they are very near. This does not mean that it is necessary for the fisherman to eliminate all potential threats of whales/elephants in order for them to live peacefully and go on with their lives. In regards to whalesquid territory, it happens. There is tradeoff for removing them though that is unknown. It's for the Gargantians to decide whether it's worht it. It's like toing to a dangerous forest from what if eels like... So as far as I see it, I think their attitudes are mostly fine. *Concerning Ledo vs the Gargantians on Whalesquids: I think Ridget is kindof a narrowminded bitch. Her character is written in a way where she’s just so unlikeable – too quick to judge and command and too narrowminded to understand. The guy has a god robot that could annihilate your whole fleet. Yes, induct him into Gargantian society and give him rules etc. But goddammit, spend some quality time getting to know him – not because people are obligated to learn others cultures – but because he has the FRIGGIN GOD ROBOT – he can fuck shit up pretty fast. Anyways, the problems for me revolve around the Gargantians lack of awe at the GOD ROBOT CHAMBER. Aargha;ldkjf I meant he gunpoint at the end. Are they retarded? Chamber can just shoot them before they can pull the trigger blegh. Anyways, I think botht he gargantia and ledo camp is fine. Seems like no on is really listening to the othe group though. Probably strongly ingrained cultural habits. *Concerning Gargantians and not seeking technological progress and only satisfied with survival: Survival is the core engine of technological progress. People want to live longer, live better, eat better food, have more living comforts, sorry for shitty list. There is nothing wrong with them just living to survive. Yes, without and conflict, certain technologies will not grow as fast. However, history as shown that many important technological milestones occur during peacetime, especially for those related to infrastructure, etc., – because people are busy dying fighting or repairing areas ravaged by war or solely mobilizing the economy for war. It is very possible that the Gargantians salvaging and learning to use their salvage at a very low technology level currently and that eventually this will progress. I feel like there is little reason to assume the Gargantians will not progress. To those who condemn the Gargantians for not making technological progress because their technological level is currently really low – I always thought that at sometime, the residents of earth had their technology level ‘clocks’ reset and had to start over to an extent because of natural disaster. Therefore, It is really hard to conclude that the Gargantians are NOT making progress, though there is also not much evidence that they ARE. They have mechanics and doctors and salvagers and researchers (bevels) s far as I can tell so it seems fine to me… though. |
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ainky said: And here we go to epic again. Better late than never eh? o/ morrownight said: This episode just saved Gargantia from entering my dropped list. Irenesharda said: If anyone hasn't read this, it's awesome! Who knew Red was so good with words? THIS. These are the questions, the answers of which are what so many viewers of this anime, including myself, have been looking for. Funny that full-fledged SoL was even a option. Funny that people have dismissed the contents of the first episode as a mere backdrop to the more "enlightening" experience of Ledo's humanization. Ledo is "learning" to be more human? "Character development"? Give me a damn break. Just what makes people think Gargantia is the ideal height of human civilization? The SoL fans watching this anime have dismissed those of us who have sought real plot as "action mecha fans" who would be better off watching Gundam and other similar laser shows. "This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin," they claim. Well, this episode just proved that it WAS all along. The Gargantians are a bunch of peace-loving fishermen who have never thought of venturing beyond the waters around their fleet save for a few like Pinion and Flange. Ledo comes along and awakens them to the fact that there is a larger, far more advanced human civilization in outer space (though most of them still seem not to have grasped the idea). The last two episodes had me going on the ridiculous possibility of Ledo simply throwing out his past and becoming a member of the primordial society that is Gargantia. It made me sick, just as it would have if Eren Jaeger had decided to join the Police Corps after seeing his mother eaten alive by a titan. In essence, that's what Gargantia is. They are a people content to live within the walls of their own existence, like a herd of cattle, and like Ledo said, never wondering at the future of their civilization or what could be out there. And the ones oppressing them are the pirates and, now, it seems, an army of squid. You go kill those tentacle monsters, Ledo. When the Gargantians shoo you away, you can either talk sense into them or look for the truth underwater and get back to the Alliance. Preach my brother PREACH THE GREAT TRUTH!!! |
Darklight0303May 20, 2013 3:17 AM
| Episode 05 and 06 were okay, to be honest, I didn't like those episodes except for a few parts like Ledo pointing a gun at a cooked octopus. Episode 07 was great and a return to form, I mean the Space-Tako really did attack the space colonies but are pretty normal on Earth. I like Ledo's anger and his duty to be a soldier, he lost a lot of friends to the Space-Tako and the fleet of Gargantia don't understand and Pinion, Kamina's seiyuu is voicing him is only a plus, I just want to back the dude the entire time....f**k off Bellows! I guess it's also safe to assume that Pinion's brother, possibly older brother (can't remember what he said lol) got killed during a salvage mission and one that probably involved the whalesquids. Anyways, I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode, I hope Pinion's voyage gets approved. |
| So this brings he question of whether humans initiated the hostilities in the first place and Ledo's people are fighting an unnecessary war. By his words it seems that they consider anything with the least sort of power to be a threat. That means his society are basically predators who try to destroy anything in the universe with some ability. On the other hand if his right and they are simply apathetic because Gargantia has nothing they want then they are living on borrow time. But time may allow them to be more strong when the time comes. Then there is the scenario that someone said about Hideaze being nano-machine creatures made by humans but then how is the biological analysis explained? If it where nano-machine then certainly analysis would have shown it and it wouldn't even biological? tingy said: MaxCrazy7 said: So what in the world are they? I have doubt Ledo brought them with him I think it is the opposite. I can't really tell which side is right. They aren't attacking the humans unprovoked but like Ledo said it is only a matter of time. It was a little frustrating for me to watch this episode because I constantly want to pick a side. But I think that's a good thing, because it makes me really think about what each side is saying. It did make sense what Ledo said about just because it's safe now, doesn't mean it will be later on, especially when Gargantia probably won't be able to do anything if the whale squids/Hideauze attacks. Then again, they said that if you don't provoke a whale squid, then it won't do anything to you...hmm. I wonder if in space, who started the war first? Did the Hideauze attack the humans first or was it the other way around? Either way, I think they did a great job with the argument scenes, both sides are incredibly stubborn because they have their own experiences and can't see what the other side is saying. Also, when the gigantic pod of whale squid started heading towards the fleet, my heart was pounding, even though I was pretty sure nothing was going to happen. Awesome job with the suspense. No the Gargatia people understand very well what his saying but no good can come out of it for them. Even Ledo's tech advance civilization can't handle then very well why should they provoke them when they know they can survive by not provoking them? Would you sacrifice your life, children and family for the possibility of Ledo being right and to protect a distant uncertain future? |
MonadMay 20, 2013 5:25 AM
Darklight0303 said: ainky said: And here we go to epic again. Better late than never eh? o/ morrownight said: This episode just saved Gargantia from entering my dropped list. Irenesharda said: If anyone hasn't read this, it's awesome! Who knew Red was so good with words? THIS. These are the questions, the answers of which are what so many viewers of this anime, including myself, have been looking for. Funny that full-fledged SoL was even a option. Funny that people have dismissed the contents of the first episode as a mere backdrop to the more "enlightening" experience of Ledo's humanization. Ledo is "learning" to be more human? "Character development"? Give me a damn break. Just what makes people think Gargantia is the ideal height of human civilization? The SoL fans watching this anime have dismissed those of us who have sought real plot as "action mecha fans" who would be better off watching Gundam and other similar laser shows. "This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin," they claim. Well, this episode just proved that it WAS all along. The Gargantians are a bunch of peace-loving fishermen who have never thought of venturing beyond the waters around their fleet save for a few like Pinion and Flange. Ledo comes along and awakens them to the fact that there is a larger, far more advanced human civilization in outer space (though most of them still seem not to have grasped the idea). The last two episodes had me going on the ridiculous possibility of Ledo simply throwing out his past and becoming a member of the primordial society that is Gargantia. It made me sick, just as it would have if Eren Jaeger had decided to join the Police Corps after seeing his mother eaten alive by a titan. In essence, that's what Gargantia is. They are a people content to live within the walls of their own existence, like a herd of cattle, and like Ledo said, never wondering at the future of their civilization or what could be out there. And the ones oppressing them are the pirates and, now, it seems, an army of squid. You go kill those tentacle monsters, Ledo. When the Gargantians shoo you away, you can either talk sense into them or look for the truth underwater and get back to the Alliance. Preach my brother PREACH THE GREAT TRUTH!!! As much as I want to agree on you on some points, let me just state a few disagreements of mine. Suisei no Gargantina is no Shingeki no Kyojin, it's not even close, Shingeki is a fre@king masterpiece and a marvel to watch, SnG on the other hand was decent and then episodes 5 and 6 happened before returning to a proper plot. However, I agree that in both series, exist spineless people but more so in Shingeki no Kyojin but it's understandable since they have seen the horrors the titans can do, whereas, this isn't the case with the people of the Gargantina Fleet and it's why they're acting like spineless pussies, they haven't been through the same pain Ledo has gone through. Also WTF a Tako is sacred...like a deity? I lol'ed |
| I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
Wordsmith said: I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- So people who want the true plot, are warmongers. Lovely generalization there. |
Darklight0303 said: Wordsmith said: I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- So people who want the true plot, are warmongers. Lovely generalization there. People who confuse fighting, violence and generally unwholesome behavior with "true plot" are, in this case, warmongers. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
Darklight0303 said: ainky said: And here we go to epic again. Better late than never eh? o/ morrownight said: This episode just saved Gargantia from entering my dropped list. Irenesharda said: If anyone hasn't read this, it's awesome! Who knew Red was so good with words? THIS. These are the questions, the answers of which are what so many viewers of this anime, including myself, have been looking for. Funny that full-fledged SoL was even a option. Funny that people have dismissed the contents of the first episode as a mere backdrop to the more "enlightening" experience of Ledo's humanization. Ledo is "learning" to be more human? "Character development"? Give me a damn break. Just what makes people think Gargantia is the ideal height of human civilization? The SoL fans watching this anime have dismissed those of us who have sought real plot as "action mecha fans" who would be better off watching Gundam and other similar laser shows. "This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin," they claim. Well, this episode just proved that it WAS all along. The Gargantians are a bunch of peace-loving fishermen who have never thought of venturing beyond the waters around their fleet save for a few like Pinion and Flange. Ledo comes along and awakens them to the fact that there is a larger, far more advanced human civilization in outer space (though most of them still seem not to have grasped the idea). The last two episodes had me going on the ridiculous possibility of Ledo simply throwing out his past and becoming a member of the primordial society that is Gargantia. It made me sick, just as it would have if Eren Jaeger had decided to join the Police Corps after seeing his mother eaten alive by a titan. In essence, that's what Gargantia is. They are a people content to live within the walls of their own existence, like a herd of cattle, and like Ledo said, never wondering at the future of their civilization or what could be out there. And the ones oppressing them are the pirates and, now, it seems, an army of squid. You go kill those tentacle monsters, Ledo. When the Gargantians shoo you away, you can either talk sense into them or look for the truth underwater and get back to the Alliance. Preach my brother PREACH THE GREAT TRUTH!!! Sorry but that is half logic here. First just because Gargantia ain't the perfect society it doesn't mean they don't have things they can teach. Even the beggar outside your door might know something good he can teach you. Ledo's society is advance that does dreamy things and reaches new heights? Well yeah but what useless they are when the people don't even realize what they are achieving. Ledo's people seem like humans that faction like soulless robots. They don't have opinions or individualism. If you want to talk about puppets then they are as puppets as they get. Their society has some nice puppet strings too. Also talking about dreams of grandeur is nice when you are the top of the food chain like you people are, echoing such luxury while typing your badass attitude on MAL forums. Not so well when you aren't. Fighting an enemy that can annihilate you when you can avoid him is not called "progress". Is called "suicide". Who said that Gargantia people aren't making progress? What to you know about their advancement? They have mobile suits don't they? They seem to have built them so they have a way of tech. They live on ships? Well yes of course they do, there is no fucking land for god sakes. I guess they should apologize for not building skyscrapers in non existent land? Or maybe they should be accused for not going to the moon? Well our great civilization went just 50 years ago(and even that is in doubt) after being on this damn rock for thousands of years. Lets not play the progressive geniuses here. Hell it doesn't seem like we even have the guts to go again for how many decades now? Oh! yes we are progressing, we are making flat fucking Tv's. When someone else is stronger than you, you ether try to coexist or buy time to make yourself stronger. You don't just attack cause you are just looking to be killed. |
MonadMay 20, 2013 8:57 AM
| So many different theories, don't know which one to believe in. Finally they stopped those damn fanservice episodes, it was getting annoying in an otherwise good anime. civilization said: StrawHat_ said: If Ledo traveled back in time and was the one that started the war this anime would be insanely retarded. It would be very illogical and ruin the entire anime for me. Really interesting episode though, loved everything aside from the Fleet Commander getting a heart attack. That was dumb. As people age they have health problems ... But aren't fish like...the cure against heart problems? They only eat damn fish on that boat, I tell ya. They're spank healthy. |
OriolidaeMay 20, 2013 5:58 AM
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