| ill actively start helping the manga/anime industry when they let me read/watch manga/anime in my area with new volumes and stuff are actually on the shelves scanlations have helped me cuz ive read numerous volumes and episodes ahead of what's on the shelves so if they want to shut down scanlations, improve ur damn service in other countries |
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| okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. if they kill the free advertising of scanlations sales will plummet and so will the customer base and in the end the companies lose. they should be aiming for customer base expansion--more people who know the product more people will buy the product. they can't only milk the hardcore fans if they want increased profits. like people said, company-regulated internet releases are the key. online access is the future. i would pay a reasonable fee to have good quality access to official scanlations. |
Jigoku-n3ko said: okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. if they kill the free advertising of scanlations sales will plummet and so will the customer base and in the end the companies lose. they should be aiming for customer base expansion--more people who know the product more people will buy the product. they can't only milk the hardcore fans if they want increased profits. like people said, company-regulated internet releases are the key. online access is the future. i would pay a reasonable fee to have good quality access to official scanlations. Uh just pointing out this excuse might work for Anime DVDs, but not on manga, go into any borders or book store of choice now a days and you can grab a manga right off the self and start reading it. I've seen people polish off entire volumes in a book store before. |
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| Okay, sure when I save up $100 just to buy Jigoku-n3ko said: okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. I went to the book store last week, and they were selling this manga I have NEVER even herd of for 25 ~ 30 dollars EACH. Thats totally BS I am not paying that much for a manga chapter. |
Jigero said: Jigoku-n3ko said: okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. if they kill the free advertising of scanlations sales will plummet and so will the customer base and in the end the companies lose. they should be aiming for customer base expansion--more people who know the product more people will buy the product. they can't only milk the hardcore fans if they want increased profits. like people said, company-regulated internet releases are the key. online access is the future. i would pay a reasonable fee to have good quality access to official scanlations. Uh just pointing out this excuse might work for Anime DVDs, but not on manga, go into any borders or book store of choice now a days and you can grab a manga right off the self and start reading it. I've seen people polish off entire volumes in a book store before. that's not reading, that's torture! though i heard this is a typical thing in japan, i can't really find it enjoyable. thing is, flipping through a book or even reading the 1st volume might still put you off. for example, there is one manga i grew obsessed with at chapter 300+ or so! it was at that point i wanted to have the series. i would have never bought it if i'd only picked up the first volume. also, wouldn't this be the same as reading it online for free? you are not paying in either case. |
| One of the issues here is that the manga are outdated in store of other countries. I wouldn't mind to pay but I actually want the damn full thing, god no I won't wait 2 years for a volume that got out in japan yesterday to get out in my country. Then again the best solution would be an online website where you can read every manga officially translated online paying a small few every chapter, the money going to the artists. This would help some manga to gain in popularity. Yes sure there would still be free scanlation but I beleive that there would be less this way, if they think they can make the scanlation drop with a futile rant then they are idiots. |
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Hypeathon said: Ephidel said: zombieguy said: DVDs, on the other hand, are just ridiculous. I refuse to pay 30+ dollars for two or three episodes. They're even more expensive (and have less content) than non-anime DVDs. I'm also not entirely sure that's true anymore. Most UK and American DVDs I see nowadays have far more episodes than that. As far as American DVDs go, what zombieguys said isn't not only untrue, but also dated. The standard retail price for an anime DVD set would cost $50 for 13 episodes dual audio and probably $10 bucks more for something that's 24-26 episodes. And in some cases like Naruto, Lucky Star, Eureka Seven and YuYu Hakusho, the price is cheaper than that, ranging from $20-36 for 20+ episode sets in dual audio I believe. And if you're willing to wait/shop around a bit, sites like Amazon have sets on sale fairly often - I got my Baccano! complete set for about $20, and right now the first 13 episodes of FMA: Brotherhood are going for a little over $30. Both DVD sets are dual audio. To be honest I'm surprised it took this long for publishers to take action. Dandere-chan said: Then again the best solution would be an online website where you can read every manga officially translated online paying a small few every chapter, the money going to the artists. I like this idea too, even though I think they'd have a lot of kinks to go through to make it work. |
stephagaJun 12, 2010 10:54 PM
suashi said: Dandere-chan said: Then again the best solution would be an online website where you can read every manga officially translated online paying a small few every chapter, the money going to the artists. I like this idea too, even though I think they'd have a lot of kinks to go through to make it work. Well of course, but not only that would decrease scanlation, it would also increase profit on long term. The mangaka are just dreamers that think that there's a magic spell to make people stop scanlating their work, that does not work this way because of many factor. |
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Jigoku-n3ko said: Jigero said: Jigoku-n3ko said: okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. if they kill the free advertising of scanlations sales will plummet and so will the customer base and in the end the companies lose. they should be aiming for customer base expansion--more people who know the product more people will buy the product. they can't only milk the hardcore fans if they want increased profits. like people said, company-regulated internet releases are the key. online access is the future. i would pay a reasonable fee to have good quality access to official scanlations. Uh just pointing out this excuse might work for Anime DVDs, but not on manga, go into any borders or book store of choice now a days and you can grab a manga right off the self and start reading it. I've seen people polish off entire volumes in a book store before. that's not reading, that's torture! though i heard this is a typical thing in japan, i can't really find it enjoyable. thing is, flipping through a book or even reading the 1st volume might still put you off. for example, there is one manga i grew obsessed with at chapter 300+ or so! it was at that point i wanted to have the series. i would have never bought it if i'd only picked up the first volume. also, wouldn't this be the same as reading it online for free? you are not paying in either case. She's got a point. And please get the delusion out of your head that they have all the manga just lined up volume by volume. Case in point: Naruto. I don't usually read Naruto, but if I got raving reviews from a Naruto fan and decided to try, this is what I have to deal with. I go to the manga section in my regular Barnes and Nobles. Ah, there's Naruto! But where's volume one? Ah, oh well, I'll read volume two. It happens to be the first one in there. So I read it, it takes about 30 minutes. It's okay, I can't say I know exactly what's going on, but here are my options: 1) I figure another volume will help. Or 2)I decide to come back another day, when they have volume one for me to read. If I take option one, I read volumes 3-5 like paper. It's getting better. And then I go back. Where's volume 6, 7, 8, and 9? I only see 10-13, 15, 17, 19-26, 5 copies of 27 and so on. Whaaaat? What's the point of reading it for free if other people are in on it or they're out of stock. I'd still have to order it and it still cost me money. Sure, that's the legal thing to do; but when I look it up, do I really want to order 40+ volumes because of the 4 I've read? That's 400 dollars! Not including shipping and handling at 5.98 or so a pop (I'm talking to to you Amazon). I could order from amazon jp for cheaper but I don't like the manga so much as to learn a new language for it. Now, I take option 2. I wait. Come back 2 weeks later. I either have to wait because someone else has got their hands on volume one or Barnes in Nobles kicks it into gear and gets a few more copies. Woo! Now I'm missing 3-5, 7-10, and so on. I could keep coming back but that's annoying. And nobody can play the martyr in this situation and claim they'd keep coming back or just buy the volumes because they wouldn't. You've got those 2 volumes you like but are you willing to pay for the 38+ based on those two? Or are you going to keep coming back and grab a good volume when you can, God permitting the bookstore actually has the volumes you need? No, you'd get frustrated and give up. Everyone would. Sure, you could just wait, buy a volume, read it, like it, buy another volume and so on. But too many people are impatient. It's not everyone, they want it and they want it NOW. Also, if the site you're buying is out of stock for that moment and the bookstore you want is out, too. You have to wait. But then you find a new one at B&N! Woo, only two volumes out so far, easy buying, and B&N has it all. It's legit, licensed by Viz and everything! And then you wait. It's a deadlock; you wait until the next volume of the new one gets out or until Naruto comes in stock, and when you get caught up in Naruto, you still have to wait months for the next volume. You've tried reading more things at B&N but shoujo's not your thing and you figured out really quick that the titles on June don't involve a guy and a girl. You tried branching out to other things that sounded interesting online, but you couldn't buy it without ordering or the volumes are disjointed again. And money doesn't flow out of your butt for this habit. God forbid you live under your parent's rule; they're not going to help shell out money for something they don't understand, unless you have the cool parents that read manga too or something, but those are the lucky households. This, of course, is if you have a B&N that stocks all the titles licensed by Viz, Tokyopop, Dark Horse, etc. If you have a limited B&N you might just have Naruto and Bleach, and a couple shoujo titles you aren't interested in. That just sucks, doesn't it? I'm not here to say that scanlations are legal, because they aren't. They never will be. But for a person who doesn't want to make a blind purchase, they help somewhat. I hope something legal takes off online, because I do feel bad reading titles I don't like for free, but I'm not going to puchase something at about 10 dollars a volume I'll never read to support the mangaka. I may like them, but I'm just not. Call me a jackass but I think most of the world's population feels that way. Sorry for this long winded post. |
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Synthoxide said: And money doesn't flow out of your butt for this habit. God forbid you live under your parent's rule; they're not going to help shell out money for something they don't understand, unless you have the cool parents that read manga too or something, but those are the lucky households. Just curious, have you tried pacing yourself financially by buying one tankoban of any manga title that happens to be on your wishlist on a weekly/biweekly basis, starting with the ones that are still only at $8? And also, if it helps, you can treat your bought manga as if they're porno mags and just hid them in a secret bin. Just a thought. Synthoxide said: I'm not here to say that scanlations are legal, because they aren't. They never will be. But for a person who doesn't want to make a blind purchase, they help somewhat. What about viewing official websites for reviews that don't just tel you a simple plot synopsis, but give you an in-depth and constructive opinion about what the reviewer(s) thought of the manga, like reviews from ANN (including the Right Turn Only column) or Mania website? Or what about reading the Naruto manga by trying to purchase Shonen Jump magazine at newsstands or comc book stores every month? I wouldn't have even known about the "Naruto campaign" where they release 3-4 manga volumes a month if not for reading Shonen Jump. Synthoxide said: I hope something legal takes off online, because I do feel bad reading titles I don't like for free, but I'm not going to puchase something at about 10 dollars a volume I'll never read to support the mangaka. I may like them, but I'm just not. Call me a jackass but I think most of the world's population feels that way. Again, just another thought, why not recommend the manga title you don't like to someone else who might like it and be willing to buy it, whether it be your friend, sibling(s), cousin(s), etc.? |
| Goddammit, they cannot sell their anime manga stuff (figures, posters, t-shirts) etc if they want to end illegal fansub/scanlation. OK, I'll be able to read popular series like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece if a website which publishes these manga is opened. But what about unpopular series? One shots? For exaple there are tons of 1-volume or 2-volumes shoujo manga out there. |
Synthoxide said: Jigoku-n3ko said: Jigero said: Jigoku-n3ko said: okay, suppose it does happen: scanlations become an underground thing again and the masses have no access to it. official releases are the only available releases. obviously hardcore fans are not affected. but other people? do you see an unconvinced customer buying something s/he doesn't know at proposterous prices? one volume at 13-15 dollars/euros is not a financial disaster but what about series that have 20+ volumes? no new customer that doesn't know the series will back order those volumes. i used to buy all my licensed manga but i regret throwing away my money for most of them. now i read scanlations and order only the ones i really like directly from japan. the cost is about the same but this way i don't feel i regret my purchase and i actually know what it is i am buying. if scanlations stop i still won't go back to the bookstore. if they kill the free advertising of scanlations sales will plummet and so will the customer base and in the end the companies lose. they should be aiming for customer base expansion--more people who know the product more people will buy the product. they can't only milk the hardcore fans if they want increased profits. like people said, company-regulated internet releases are the key. online access is the future. i would pay a reasonable fee to have good quality access to official scanlations. Uh just pointing out this excuse might work for Anime DVDs, but not on manga, go into any borders or book store of choice now a days and you can grab a manga right off the self and start reading it. I've seen people polish off entire volumes in a book store before. that's not reading, that's torture! though i heard this is a typical thing in japan, i can't really find it enjoyable. thing is, flipping through a book or even reading the 1st volume might still put you off. for example, there is one manga i grew obsessed with at chapter 300+ or so! it was at that point i wanted to have the series. i would have never bought it if i'd only picked up the first volume. also, wouldn't this be the same as reading it online for free? you are not paying in either case. She's got a point. And please get the delusion out of your head that they have all the manga just lined up volume by volume. Case in point: Naruto. I don't usually read Naruto, but if I got raving reviews from a Naruto fan and decided to try, this is what I have to deal with. I go to the manga section in my regular Barnes and Nobles. Ah, there's Naruto! But where's volume one? Ah, oh well, I'll read volume two. It happens to be the first one in there. So I read it, it takes about 30 minutes. It's okay, I can't say I know exactly what's going on, but here are my options: 1) I figure another volume will help. Or 2)I decide to come back another day, when they have volume one for me to read. Or 3) you could not be a moron and ask a clerk if they have any in stock Or 4) Check the inventory status on the many computers that litter modern book stores. or 5) got to one of the other 3 major book chains in America, or maybe if your clever a comic book store. |
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Hypeathon said: Synthoxide said: And money doesn't flow out of your butt for this habit. God forbid you live under your parent's rule; they're not going to help shell out money for something they don't understand, unless you have the cool parents that read manga too or something, but those are the lucky households. Just curious, have you tried pacing yourself financially by buying one tankoban of any manga title that happens to be on your wishlist on a weekly/biweekly basis, starting with the ones that are still only at $8? And also, if it helps, you can treat your bought manga as if they're porno mags and just hid them in a secret bin. Just a thought. I have, actually. At $40 a month, my mom flipped a table on me and told me to buy something useful with it. And like I said, the popular titles are about $10. I don't know what bookstore you go to, but that's all I've seen are the $10 dollars. And sneaking manga around, my mom is bound to find out and take it all away from me completely. I don't like hiding what I like, anyway. Hypeathon said: Synthoxide said: I'm not here to say that scanlations are legal, because they aren't. They never will be. But for a person who doesn't want to make a blind purchase, they help somewhat. What about viewing official websites for reviews that don't just tel you a simple plot synopsis, but give you an in-depth and constructive opinion about what the reviewer(s) thought of the manga, like reviews from ANN (including the Right Turn Only column) or Mania website? Or what about reading the Naruto manga by trying to purchase Shonen Jump magazine at newsstands or comc book stores every month? I wouldn't have even known about the "Naruto campaign" where they release 3-4 manga volumes a month if not for reading Shonen Jump. And then what? I buy it because everyone's been giving rave reviews and I hate it. There's a good chance I'll like it, sure, but I could hate it, too. Great, I wasted money, therefore making it a blind purchase. After so many blind purchases a person gets tired and gives up completely. I could, but I'm still behind. And if I'm starting from scratch, at volume one, I'm going to have a fun time searching through every issue trying to find the first chapter of Naruto. Hypeathon said: Synthoxide said: I hope something legal takes off online, because I do feel bad reading titles I don't like for free, but I'm not going to puchase something at about 10 dollars a volume I'll never read to support the mangaka. I may like them, but I'm just not. Call me a jackass but I think most of the world's population feels that way. Again, just another thought, why not recommend the manga title you don't like to someone else who might like it and be willing to buy it, whether it be your friend, sibling(s), cousin(s), etc.? Not many are willing to recommend something they don't like to someone else. And besides, I personally don't have any family who would be interested; one friend only reads yaoi/shounen-ai, my other friend reads only shoujo titles, and I don't have any siblings. (: I've tried to get both those friends to branch out with some seinen (I personally love Addicted to Curry) but they both refused after reading one of the volumes I had (before my mom said spend your money on something useful). I'm not saying that I'm the representation of the masses, but I know there are other people like me, but more limited or something. Jigero said: Synthoxide said: She's got a point. And please get the delusion out of your head that they have all the manga just lined up volume by volume. Case in point: Naruto. I don't usually read Naruto, but if I got raving reviews from a Naruto fan and decided to try, this is what I have to deal with. I go to the manga section in my regular Barnes and Nobles. Ah, there's Naruto! But where's volume one? Ah, oh well, I'll read volume two. It happens to be the first one in there. So I read it, it takes about 30 minutes. It's okay, I can't say I know exactly what's going on, but here are my options: 1) I figure another volume will help. Or 2)I decide to come back another day, when they have volume one for me to read. Or 3) you could not be a moron and ask a clerk if they have any in stock Or 4) Check the inventory status on the many computers that litter modern book stores. or 5) got to one of the other 3 major book chains in America, or maybe if your clever a comic book store. 3) Why would I ask for something I know they don't have? Many of the shopkeepers have told me that if it's not on the shelf, they probably don't have it yet. I've asked where xx volume of xx series is, and they direct me straight to the shelf I was at in the first place. That's happened to me, too. 4) I do that and it tells me it's out of stock temporarily or being shipped out. Still waiting? 5) I only know of Borders and Barnes & Nobles, and that's the truth. The borders here has even less of a manga selection than Barnes & Nobles, hence why I used Barnes & Nobles as an example. (: |
SynthoxideJun 13, 2010 9:11 PM
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Synthoxide said: And then what? I buy it because everyone's been giving rave reviews and I hate it. There's a good chance I'll like it, sure, but I could hate it, too. Great, I wasted money, therefore making it a blind purchase. First of all, that's good, that you bought it at all. That's the point of a review. They're suppose to help a consumer decide whether or not they will agree with the reviewer's subjective opinion towards the product and then decide whether or not to buy it based on all the good/bad things they said. Second, just freaking try it if you haven't already! TRY to simply read from multiple reviews of not just Naruto (I don't understand why you make Naruto your only example especially since I know that's not the only manga title in a Barnes & Noble). Yes, what I said before is stil technically blind-buying. But my point in telling you that wasn't to find a way to not blind-buy. The point was to give you an alternative in how to blind-buy that could work better for you. The idea of reading from multiple reviews in multiple sites based on Naruto or whatever might not work, but you can just say it isn't going o work. You can't say for certain it is, but you can't say the same for the opposite either unless you try. And if it helps, you're not the only one in a similar position as far as collecting every volume avaialable. Browse for other forums (I wouldn't recommend here) where they seem more willing to have proper solutions to solving problems such as yours. Though what I wanna know is why do you even make the complaint of having to constantly blind-buy or not having every volume if you mom is bothered by you collecting manga at all and is getting on your case about it? |
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| @Synthoxide: i TOTALLY agree with you. here in greece its worse!i ve only found one small store that has mainly comic but quite a few manga too (10 euro each of course) but its only the most popular which they bring from the US. i m a uni student, i work but i definitely wont spend money for sth i havent already finished and found at least great (like 20th century boys and fruits basket which i already collect) i read A LOT of manga and i cant afford to continue if they take the sites and scanlators (to whom i m really really really grateful)down. |
Hypeathon said: Synthoxide said: And then what? I buy it because everyone's been giving rave reviews and I hate it. There's a good chance I'll like it, sure, but I could hate it, too. Great, I wasted money, therefore making it a blind purchase. First of all, that's good, that you bought it at all. That's the point of a review. They're suppose to help a consumer decide whether or not they will agree with the reviewer's subjective opinion towards the product and then decide whether or not to buy it based on all the good/bad things they said. That's true. A review is meant for the purpose; I'm just saying that reviews can be very deceiving, and with a review you'll never exactly know if what your buying is good enough or not. While you weigh in the bad and the good, the good may exaggerate and so may the bad. There are so many conflicting opinions with reviews that it can be hard to tell. I'm not saying a person should not use reviews to help, I'm just saying it's still a blind purchase, even with all the reviews in the world, because only you can be the judge of if you like it or not. Hypeathon said: Second, just freaking try it if you haven't already! TRY to simply read from multiple reviews of not just Naruto (I don't understand why you make Naruto your only example especially since I know that's not the only manga title in a Barnes & Noble). Yes, what I said before is stil technically blind-buying. But my point in telling you that wasn't to find a way to not blind-buy. The point was to give you an alternative in how to blind-buy that could work better for you. The idea of reading from multiple reviews in multiple sites based on Naruto or whatever might not work, but you can just say it isn't going o work. You can't say for certain it is, but you can't say the same for the opposite either unless you try. I used Naruto as an example because Jigero had said that it wasn't a blind purchase because, unlike Anime DVDs, you can read manga in book stores. I was just pointing out why this reason was flawed with a series like Naruto. (: It's certainly not the only title in Barnes and Nobles. It's not a big selection, but there are a few. It's not I, personally, but everyone else as well. With this kind of economy, money is scarce, you've got a little set aside to uphold you manga habit, and I don't imagine anyone would want to waste it on a title they might like, based on reviews. I never actually said this before, and forgive me for not saying so, but my main point is this: They should use scanlations to their advantage. Hypeathon said: And if it helps, you're not the only one in a similar position as far as collecting every volume avaialable. Browse for other forums (I wouldn't recommend here) where they seem more willing to have proper solutions to solving problems such as yours. Though what I wanna know is why do you even make the complaint of having to constantly blind-buy or not having every volume if you mom is bothered by you collecting manga at all and is getting on your case about it? I know I am not. Some people are worse of than I am, and that's a fact. A person from Africa was telling me about how finding manga there is like finding gold. I've browsed ANN, where most people are hoping for a system to replace scanlations. Everyone else was either saying 'LEARN JAPANESE' or 'NO MONEY? DON'T READ!', and constantly shoved in my face. Not a good solution, I have to say. What bothers my mom the most, and frustrates me, is that when I did blind buy a couple times, I wasted my money because I never touched them again. That's what bothers me and her. But I acutally complain about it because I know how frustrating it is to blind buy. Not having every volume is just as annoying. It might be because I'm OCDish sometimes and like things in order (123 or ABC type deal... I organized all my Pokemon cards in alphebetical order, if that gives you an idea). I'm sure someone else out there likes their things in order, too. Again, though, I was mostly making that point at Jigero. (: |
SynthoxideJun 14, 2010 2:57 PM
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| I can see why they are taking this so seriously. It is, after all, hindering their sale of the actual mangas. But I really hope they don't cease the release of our beloved popular scanlations. D8 But the thing is, I have found that, not just me, but many of my friends that read scanlations online, come to buy the actual mangas at the stores too because they like it so much that they actually want to buy it. I can't afford to give into my manga temptations but I do put mangas on my top list for Birthdays and Christmas. By the way, I knew VIZ would be on the list. They have taken away some mangas I only started reading. >"< Although I ended up finding one of them again somewhere else, it still upsets me. I hold something against VIZ now. I went about 4 or 5 years searching for B.O.D.Y. after it was taken off a translator's blog. And just 2 seconds ago, I realized they have taken it off of MangaFox. D< *anger boils even higher* I just really needed to vent that out. |
| I want to actually dwell more into this by transcribing what Zac & Justin said on their most recent ANNcast episode in this thread about this actual issue. I'll just leave it at that. Now Some who read this may think, "they're stupid for not think about all sides of the argument." And while I can't really vouch for their commentary, I believe whate they said was directed towards consumers that primarily mostly in America and maybe in Canada, England, Austrailia, and what-not. I'm not sure, but that's what I'm assuming. |
HypeathonJun 14, 2010 6:01 PM
Azure_Shockwave said: LOL. Wait. Business Scanlations? People pay for scanlations? LMAO. |
kkslider5552000 said: ringoo4 said: I don't really understand this. I thought scanlations are the one that actually helps the popularity of manga. I mean, seriously. Because of those scanlation, we know that some of the minority mangas other than shonens actually exist. Well, I guess I was wrong. yes, yes you were wrong. Because you expect the internet to typically reflect real life popularity. It doesn't. Lucky Star's english DVD sales are proof enough. That's because compared to the Japanese dub, the English dub sucked. |
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fluxin42 said: In addition, it's hardly fair to use Lucky Star as an example. Due to the nature of the series, the transition to another language is hardly smooth; fansubbing (with TL notes) works much better.kkslider5552000 said: That's because compared to the Japanese dub, the English dub sucked.yes, yes you were wrong. Because you expect the internet to typically reflect real life popularity. It doesn't. Lucky Star's english DVD sales are proof enough. |
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fluxin42 said: That's because compared to the Japanese dub, the English dub sucked. Mmmmmm, nope. I'm pretty sure that ain't the main reason. |
HypeathonJun 19, 2010 8:04 AM
Manga-eater said: OMG some manga on mangafox got removed becuase of this >_< Don't worry. Other sites still have them. Plus we still have download sites. |
sekida said: it's starting folks... One manga will shutdown next week... Good riddance, I say. Its time to go back to times where people actually would download manga to read it instead of skimming through it online in abominations like one manga ._. |
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| Now OM's gonna shut down, so I guess those manga publishers are happy. |
AlexSadist-sama said: Now OM's gonna shut down, so I guess those manga publishers are happy. Onemanga shutting down makes every normal person happy. Finally people will yet again: A) Buy the fucking literature and read it away from pc like its meant to be read. B) stop online-reading the lq scans and actually start downloading the actually good quality scanlations/be interested in wheels_inside_the_machine behind the scanlators yet again. "online manga" sites are profiting from publishing the works they did not scan, clean, translate and typeset Your average otaku is no longer interested in the actual gears behind the process and thinks that manga scanlations grow on trees. I for one always refused to use the "online viewing" sites and I for surely applaud on what is happening now. |
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Cookie-tan said: Fai said: Onemanga shutting down makes every normal person happy. guess im not normal... i hope normal people like you are happy when there is a decline in people that read manga because it is not available to them No one prevents you from buying manga. No one prevents you from downloading manga from scanlators and reading it offline. |
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Cookie-tan said: because it is not available to them rofl. use fucking Google. there are TONS of better sites out there in BETTER quality |
| I'm so, so glad this is happening. It's sickening how hardworking mangaka put their passion in their work only for it to be read illegally by some stupid foreign kid. I buy all of my manga (crazy, eh?!!) so I could care less if scanlation sites drop... I only read online once I'm caught up with the english releases, but even then I still purchase the volumes once they come out. Once people start actually paying for manga like they're SUPPOSED to, the industry will start booming. And from a booming industry comes cheaper and quicker releases to fill the demand. We'll even begin to obtain more obscure series in a variety of languages; all of you are adament this is a void only scanlations can fill but common sense dictates that is BS. sure it's not great for publishers to be fed even more power (I always wonder how much $ actually goes to the creators??) but I for one feel better knowing I'm helping the english manga industry thrive and grow... at the end of the day it just means more manga at a cheaper price for meeeeeeeeee! so now get off your fat ass and go to a bookstore. |
| german love she won't have a thing to do with me. |
spidersong said: I'm so, so glad this is happening. It's sickening how hardworking mangaka put their passion in their work only for it to be read illegally by some stupid foreign kid. Well I know that some people just don't care about paying but you are generalisating way too much. Sometime you can't pay for manga, here's some real common exemple: -There is no shop in your city that sell manga -The manga you want to read did not get any translation in any language you can understand. -You do not have a credit card to buy online on shipping site (and most of the time wouln't anyway because if it's not available in your region it's most likely didn't get any translation in this language to begin with). Now let's say that there's is a manga available in your region that you want to buy. The price are crazy because of all the shitty editing, where is the fairness when you know you pay about twice what you would pay in Japan just because you weren't lucky enough to get a japanese courses (which is not available in a lot of place anyway so you are mostly stuck with these overpriced release). Yes, reading it illegaly is not good for the mangaka, I understand why the scanlation site are getting closed, I don't like it but I'm good enough to understand. A lot of manga reader are 16 year old and younger, age is also a factor in this, 16 years old is the requirement for about every job in my country, you can really hardly get a job being younger than this, how do you expect for children to pay these overpriced manga? Now get every existing manga in my librairy at the same price they are sold in Japan and I would glady buy everything I read. That's why I still support the idea of a website that sell manga, pay for chapter or pay for volume in many different language. It would be far more benifical than closing scanlation site such as onemanga, the day mangafox and mangatoshokan will close there will be other scanlating site anyway. |
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Cookie-tan said: Fai said: Onemanga shutting down makes every normal person happy. guess im not normal... i hope normal people like you are happy when there is a decline in people that read manga because it is not available to them true... im never gonna buy a manga book... i know its not right, but its just not logical in my state of mind. why pay for a book that i will read one time? im not gonna start a collection of 50+ volumes... if all the scanlations stop coming in, then i will stop reading manga/manwha/manhua altogether. and i know other people that think like i do. also as Dandere-chan pointed out, its not that easy to buy any manga... of course all the famous ones are available (like bleach and naruto), but what about the smaller ones (like hot milk and mother keeper), its hard enough to find the scanlations for these, in english. |
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| This witch hunt will finish as the one Music Companies started versus MP3 Download Sites: closing one and three more will appear instead... Don't you think so? And I agree with Dandere-chan pointed out, its not that easy to buy any manga... |
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Onibokusu said: Dandere-chan said: -There is no shop in your city that sell manga -The manga you want to read did not get any translation in any language you can understand. -You do not have a credit card to buy online on shipping site (and most of the time wouln't anyway because if it's not available in your region it's most likely didn't get any translation in this language to begin with). If you actually meet any of those conditions, you're probably a kid living with your strict parents in the countryside. As such, you probably have no idea what you're actually doing when reading manga online. LOL no. |
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| Such...*tear* bastards!!! T_T T_T T_T |
| 100% agree with Dandere-chan. @Fai and spidersong Think before you write. Getting a job is really hard, also Mangas are expensive as hell as Dandere-chan mentioned the above reasons. spidersong said: I'm so, so glad this is happening. It's sickening how hardworking mangaka put their passion in their work only for it to be read illegally by some stupid foreign kid. And I'm sickening of the 12yo -5000 IQ kids who post shit and doesn't have any clue about life... Relunx |
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