thoughts on Chinese anime?

You are the one who keeps bringing up this xenophobic crap. If you want to believe you are taking the morally high ground I could care less. Simply not liking "donghua" and thinks it doesn't belong grouped together with Japanese Anime Doesn't mean I hate Chinese people. You are stroking your own racist propaganda simply by injecting it into the conversation to begin with.



Obviously nothing worth remembering since I didn't even finish a complete episode of any of the titles.

If you are interested in wasting your own time to sniff out "propaganda" in "Donghua" do it on your own and not involve me with it ever. I simply don't like Chinese "donghua", and have better things to do in my leisure time like watching actual "Japanese Anime".

I recently talked to my daughter on the phone who currently lives and goes to school in Japan. I took this opportunity to ask her some questions about Chinese "donghua" in Japan. Her friends that she goes to school with don't even usually watch movies or TV let alone watch any Chinese "donghua". Any of her friends who do watch Anime will usually avoid watching Chinese "donghua".

The thing is the Japanese people generally just don't have a very good view of China and this is broadly shared. Mainly because any news coverage of China in Japan is always negative. Yet if she asks anyone she knows what they think of the Chinese people they always say they are extremely nice and opened minded more so than Japanese. These are actual people she has talked to before that have been to China.

The most recent western movie her and her friends have actually watched together was on Netflix and it was "Inception". This is a movie that was released over a decade ago that her and her friends have finally watched for the 1st time. So you can imagine the response I got when I asked her if she has ever heard of "Link Click". She said it sounds familiar yet has no interest in ever watching it. It's more likely "Link Click" was produced purposely to imitate the likeness of a typical Japanese Anime aimed at a Japanese audience but ended up becoming better received by western Anime Fans.

Of course I talked about a lot of other things with my daughter totally unrelated to "donghua". Still it was very informative talking to her about this stuff.

From this insight my daughter has given me, it's likely Chinese "donghua" internationally will probably start targeting Western audiences over Japanese audiences in the future.

This should be good news for all you "donghua otakus" (yes I just made that word up) out there on this site.

Whether you care about it or not , it is more of a competition than you would think. If China wasn't trying to compete with Japan in this industry there would be no reason for any "donghua" to ever be produced then placed on platforms like netflix. They have even released a "Japanese" Dub of "Link Click". Probably not because there is a sudden demand for it in Japan. Anyone would be a fool to think that Chinese "donghua" isn't trying to imitate Japanese "Anime" here.

Also it's a pretty bolt claim to make that the so called "A-tier" donghua in your profile is better than every single Japanese franchise listed in a previous post. Considering I have no clue what donghua your profile pic is referencing to.

Kingdom and The Apothecary Diaries are a great watch!

@sodaJar

Seriously Necroing a thread to rehashing a discussion that happened in 2022? lol

Though I will bite and play along with this facade...

You don't even understand context to the issue this dude had with me to begin with. This guy actually friended on MAL a long time ago then unfriended me simply because I don't like Chinese Donghua garbage. Then the dude tried to block me out of pettiness when blocking a User does absolutely nothing when they keep actively engaging with the User they have blocked. The guy constantly throws around buzz words like "xenophobia" to try to paint Users as racist simply because they don't like Chinese Donghua, disregarding the fact that Donghua isn't even people.

Plus, I have taken my grievances "in the past" (long past....) to the MAL mods. It actually changed my opinion on a few things but still doesn't change the fact that I think Chinese Donghua is still complete garbage. lol



I never claimed any of this before but whatever... Though, simple fact that all Chinese Donghua is state sponsored CCP approved makes all Donghua propaganda in itself.



What is your point here? You do realize MAL is a Western platform, so if what you are saying is true, why should all this Chinese Donghua garbage be flooding the MAL database when an extremely vast majority of it isn't even actually legally available on any of the many western platforms that cater to actual Japanese Anime? Also if Donghua is primarily only created to target the Chinese Domestic audience, then what is the purpose of it flooding a western database like MAL with a bunch of Donghua that Users can't consume legally anyways?



There is no such thing as Korean Anime no more than there is such thing as Japanese Aeni or Japanese Donghua.



Well good for them. Though again I never made any claim that China wants to destroy the Japanese Anime Industry. Even if they did, they are decades behind Japan when it comes to global marketing. Chinese Donghua doesn't even come close to being any type of global phenomenon and it's not even an extreme part of China's culture to the degree Anime is with Japan's Culture. China destroying the Japanese Anime industry with Donghua garbage? In the CCP's wildest dreams. lol

@sodaJar

Seriously Necroing a thread to rehashing a discussion that happened in 2022? lol

Though I will bite and play along with this facade...

You don't even understand context to the issue this dude had with me to begin with. This guy actually friended on MAL a long time ago then unfriended me simply because I don't like Chinese Donghua garbage. Then the dude tried to block me out of pettiness when blocking a User does absolutely nothing when they keep actively engaging with the User they have blocked. The guy constantly throws around buzz words like "xenophobia" to try to paint Users as racist simply because they don't like Chinese Donghua, disregarding the fact that Donghua isn't even people.

Plus, I have taken my grievances "in the past" (long past....) to the MAL mods. It actually changed my opinion on a few things but still doesn't change the fact that I think Chinese Donghua is still complete garbage. lol



I never claimed any of this before but whatever... Though, simple fact that all Chinese Donghua is state sponsored CCP approved makes all Donghua propaganda in itself.



What is your point here? You do realize MAL is a Western platform, so if what you are saying is true, why should all this Chinese Donghua garbage be flooding the MAL database when an extremely vast majority of it isn't even actually legally available on any of the many western platforms that cater to actual Japanese Anime? Also if Donghua is primarily only created to target the Chinese Domestic audience, then what is the purpose of it flooding a western database like MAL with a bunch of Donghua that Users can't consume legally anyways?



There is no such thing as Korean Anime no more than there is such thing as Japanese Aeni or Japanese Donghua.



Well good for them. Though again I never made any claim that China wants to destroy the Japanese Anime Industry. Even if they did, they are decades behind Japan when it comes to global marketing. Chinese Donghua doesn't even come close to being any type of global phenomenon and it's not even an extreme part of China's culture to the degree Anime is with Japan's Culture. China destroying the Japanese Anime industry with Donghua garbage? In the CCP's wildest dreams. lol

Call it what you might, if the CCP is financially supporting the production and actively policing what can and can not be produced, it's propaganda in itself. If you were a Genuine Chinese Manhua artist, your ideas would ultimately be shut down the moment the CCP claimed anything you produced could be seen counter to their agenda and as a threat to the country. The CCP would never allow you to produce any material that would make the CCP as some villain organization, fictional or not. The CCP would not allow you any sort of autonomy as an artist to begin with. the CCP would likely even make you disappear completely even go to the extreme of wiping any trace of you off the internet (they have done it before and they keep trying to do it over and over again *Zhao Wei*).



This is exactly what the CCP does. The Chinese Communist Party has been known to engage in targeted operations on internet forums both domestically and internationally. These operations typically involve a variety of tactics aimed at shaping online discourse to align with the party's objectives and suppress dissenting voices.

The CCP employs sophisticated censorship mechanisms to control the flow of information on Chinese internet forums. This includes blocking access to certain websites, filtering out sensitive keywords, and even employing human moderators to manually delete posts that are deemed politically sensitive or critical of the party. The CCP uses internet forums as a platform to disseminate propaganda and misinformation that promotes its agenda and suppresses dissent. This can involve the spread of false information, manipulation of discussions to sway public opinion, and the use of paid trolls to post pro-party messages and discredit opposition voices. The CCP often engages in astroturfing, which involves creating fake grassroots movements or online personas to give the illusion of widespread support for party policies or positions. These fake accounts are used to amplify pro-party messages, drown out dissent, and create a false sense of consensus. In more extreme cases, the CCP has been accused of using cyber attacks and hacking to silence critics and disrupt online forums that are seen as a threat to its authority. This can involve targeting activists, journalists, and dissidents with malware or distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks to shut down their websites or social media accounts. furthermore The CCP also extends its influence beyond China's borders by infiltrating international internet forums and social media platforms just like MAL. This can involve the creation of fake accounts or the co-opting of existing ones to spread pro-party propaganda, discredit critics, and manipulate discussions on topics related to China's interests.

If you don't believe me I dare anyone who has access to actual Chinese platforms and try even in humor mock the CCP and see exactly what happens. I have done it before in the past just for fun and I was automatically wiped from the site and my IP was banned but not before I was suddenly ganged up on and attacked by other Users on the platform for showing even humorous dissent.

TLTR; The CCP's targeted operations on internet forums represent a multifaceted strategies aimed at controlling the flow of information, suppressing dissent, and shaping online discourse to serve the party's agenda both within China and globally.

As an example the only way to really ever know if someone is a paid internet troll working for the CCP can be easy to sniff out simply by calling them out. I would dare you to post anything critical about the CCP or would that be too much to ask?

I wonder why someone out of the blue would dig up a discussion from over 2 year ago with an extreme interest in just this one thread... Your post count on this forum tell me all I need to know.

This is how my mind works - point by point.
And since we don't have anything new to add to our conversation maybe it's a suitable place to end it.


Wait, they aren't (rhetorical question)?


Wow, paranoia in everything you write.
Am I trolling you (rhetorical question)? Not really.
Also I am pretty sure I conveyed clearly what I wanted to say.


Coincidentally most of the people who say that have never experienced donghua properly.


Not sure how to interpret this. Maybe you are saying that "State Media or exerts significant control over it" are not allowing such addiction to happen...instead of actually being tools for lobbyism and political meddling like for what they are used for in my country?
I think I have seen enough media addicted americans on internet to conclude that those regulators aren't working properly.


Same difference to me, also you are going on a tangent here. We were talking about the influence of donghua outside of China.

Ever since the CCP practically took over China, that's pretty much all that every get produced is entertainment that is CCP approved. I wouldn't really change my opinion on this until one day I actually saw a bunch of fictional Donghua garbage making the CCP out as the villain. lol

Call it biased if you want I don't care and for the record never claimed I was ever consuming Donghua garbage in the 1st place. This whole debate started simply because I made my own opinion on something while brutally started trashing Donghua as complete garbage then the Donghua shills came out in droves to defend it. lol

The one thing I found that really triggers people who love Donghua is constantly reminding them that Donghua garbage is factually State Media. Anything that is significantly influenced by the Chinese government is generally propaganda.

Do you mean this lady here - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliana_Iotova ?
What's my supposed connection with her, since you don't even know my political alignment?

She is the vice president and lets say you don't like her automatically because of her socialist background (I personally I don't like her for the things she has actually done), but even a least favorite bulgarian politician for you should be the current president Rumen Radev, who also comes from a socialist background... Google didn't tell you that?
Tho the pestilential institution in Bulgaria has very little power and those two have very little influence on the parliament and the government. A very different thing from what the same institution is doing for example USA.

What you have proven here is you prejudice and paranoia - just like with donghua. You see something from afar, assume some things about it and decide to nuke the whole country just to be on a safe side. How about the fact that Bulgaria is a member of EU and NATO? How about the NATO bases there? Naaah, lets nuke it anyway!

Ever since the CCP practically took over China, that's pretty much all that every get produced is entertainment that is CCP approved. I wouldn't really change my opinion on this until one day I actually saw a bunch of fictional Donghua garbage making the CCP out as the villain. lol

Call it biased if you want I don't care and for the record never claimed I was ever consuming Donghua garbage in the 1st place. This whole debate started simply because I made my own opinion on something while brutally started trashing Donghua as complete garbage then the Donghua shills came out in droves to defend it. lol

The one thing I found that really triggers people who love Donghua is constantly reminding them that Donghua garbage is factually State Media. Anything that is significantly influenced by the Chinese government is generally propaganda.

When it comes to actual Japanese Anime, what you are pointing out amounts to a person simply investing in stock. The MAL database doesn't point out distinctions and nuances between co-producers and a primary production company. Foreign co-producers don't generally have much say in the actual production nor do they police it. In fact some of the actual Japanese Anime titles co-produced by bilibili aren't even legally allowed to be aired in China to begin with. It's like the Chinese government controlling the algorithm used for tiktok but don't even allow their own citizens to use the platform. They got their own thing called Douyin.

I was strictly talking about actual Chinese Donghua garbage, not Japanese Anime the Chinese government might be investing in. Huge difference between being the Primary Production Company and a co-producer. The CCP isn't exclusively producing actual Japanese Anime and never has.

It's almost like a quid quo pro to allow their Donghua garbage into the Japanese domestic market. lol

Broadly the Japanese Anime industry nor does the Japanese domestic market have any genuine interest in Chinese Donghua garbage, unlike how actual Western Production Companies in places like North America initially sought out Japanese Anime as a medium in the 80s to introduce into their own domestic markets.

"should" doesn't mean I have to respect it. I am free to trash on Chinese Donghua all I want.

Respect is earned not a given entitlement.

Chinese Donghua has earned no respect from me.

Why should anyone respect something they think is complete dogshit?

I certainly wouldn't expect you to respect the same things I do and seriously wouldn't care if you did or not.

To me Chinese Donghua is complete garbage and shares the same respect I have with dogshit.

@ColourWheel if you don't, ok, no one cares

the important part is below:

, because 99% of them are not

my point being that the assessment of an animation should be based on its artistic merit, not political context