Age of consent in your country?

traed said:
The average age for all countries is 16. You live somewhere in the mid east I presume. The Islamic countries are only ones as far as i recal with consent ages in the 20s except possibly India. Many of the same countries also make homosexual sex illegal. Anyone can ask you the same thing if that is the case "what is wrong with the world?"

BarryManilow said:
I am not at ease with those who violate the law.

Spooks_McBones said:


Thats your source, oh boy.

As for anything you said, you are truly blinded by nonsense, common sense.....

Lugoj said:


The law doesn't matter. You could set the age of consent to 50 and it wouldn't change a thing. It's about culture.

klooha said:


I sure did drink alcohol way before turning 18, and hardly ever drink it nowadays. So I didn't follow that one. But I guess I will follow age of consent law from your country, huh.

k0k0 said:


Well, I guess you'd be disappointed to know no one really follows the drinking, drug and sex law here as well.
Abstinence is almost always culturally imposed, rather than legally imposed.

Lugoj said:

It's a fully-cited article, but whatever. There's another there.

k0k0 said:


The Middle East makes up a big part of the globe, so the 'all countries' is a bit pushing it I think.
16 is still alright I guess. It's not unheard of.
But 14? Without any religious associations, that still sounds absurd.

Harems said:
16 for straight sex

18 for gay sex

Spooks_McBones said:


You know what that kind of thinking is, outdated religious oppression. Now its in the modern world it tries to keep its outdated ideologies current by saying its good for women to remain virgins till they marry off. When in there are no guarantees of anything in life. Someone who marries a virgin is no more likely to be happier than those who marry after having sex.

If anything the only reason I can see that women would remain happier with their partner having remained a virgin is simply because of lack of experience with other men. They have to accept that their husband is the only sexual experience they have had so they automatically assume thats the best its going to get. Whilst other women know that some men are better at sex than others and can be disappointed in their partners sexual abilities.

so once again like most things to do with religion, it supports itself by keeping people ignorant of experiences.

Lugoj said:

Atheistard thinking.

klooha said:


what?
is it really true? WHERE lol

Spooks_McBones said:


Ignorant Religious thinking.

Lugoj said:


Abstinence isn't compatible with western culture, though. Western culture stresses excess, indulgence and Freudian ideals of morality.

traed said:
You can look it up yourself. " average consent age". The average is based off of the different countries. I dont think its based on population or something.

Why would religion make it less absurd or not absurd to you?

Lugoj said:

Mad because you're unhappy?

Spooks_McBones said:


Ignorant Religious thinking.

Spooks_McBones said:


Experience always trumps ignorance bby.

k0k0 said:

It can't be denied that Western culture has no qualms about excess indulgence or handling issues like sexual intercourse and drinking without too much thought. I do think, however, that conservatism and liberalism is, on the truest level, directly related to individualism.

k0k0 said:


Yes, I'm aware of that.

It can't be denied that Western culture has no qualms about excess indulgence or handling issues like sexual intercourse and drinking without too much thought. I do think, however, that conservatism and liberalism is, on the truest level, directly related to individualism.

traed said:
The west is a mixture of pudeness and lewdness. Its extreme on two sides of things.

Lugoj said:

Okay, let's say I agree with you and it is because of inexperience that there are more happy virgins than happy women with experience. Is that a bad thing?

Lugoj said:

I don't think theres any kind of education that will change people. We need a cultural shift.

Lugoj said:
Conservatism embraces individualism a bit less than liberalism, though.

I don't think the sex-related problems will end anytime soon, at least in the west. I predict collapse before that. I don't think theres any kind of education that will change people. We need a cultural shift.

Spooks_McBones said:


Women are people too and should be free to explore the human condition to its fullest in the single life they have. Who would want them told to be suppressed and have rules imposed on them that have no real purpose outside of keeping them in line, same with men; they should be free to choose their own life without been guilted into feel wrong or sinful by their religion or by others.

These rules were made up by man, if a God exists he should only be concerned with if a person is a good soul, not if they eat a certain animal or have sex before marriage. Which is nothing but some paper and a last name again made by humans, imposed by humans and has nothing to do with the magical realm a god would inhabit.

does anyone really think if a God exists he seriously gets pissed off at two people not signing a bit of paper.

Spooks_McBones said:


Women are people too and should be free to explore the human condition to its fullest in the single life they have. Who would want them told to be suppressed and have rules imposed on them that have no real purpose outside of keeping them in line, same with men; they should be free to choose their own life without been guilted into feel wrong or sinful by their religion or by others.

These rules were made up by man, if a God exists he should only be concerned with if a person is a good soul, not if they eat a certain animal or have sex before marriage. Which is nothing but some paper and a last name again made by humans, imposed by humans and has nothing to do with the magical realm a god would inhabit.

does anyone really think if a God exists he seriously gets pissed off at two people not signing a bit of paper.



sounds like you want hardcore middle eastern culture, you know the stone a woman to death for cheating on her husband kind of thing. gotta make God happy.

Lost_Future said:

I just had to see what you threw in there...
It's pretty lame if you ask me.

First one is written mainly by Galena Rhoades. The couples she chose for that research of hers were picked especially for the purpose of creating a statistic.
Looked up her websites. Her research results are very accurate and calculated, true, but they're too different from the statistics that the government and other researchers report.
Same thing as taking 400 wed couples all with cancer and creating a statistic that says that marriage eventually results in cancer.
Also, I looked up her other family related works and personal profiles - She's a feminist.

Second one is better but, 20 years old.
"data from the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth". That data is showing us that it used to be that way.
Not necessarily true now.

k0k0 said:

But you know, Bones, while I, too, think women are as free to have sex as men, your mind will not hesitate to cross someone off as a slut in its book when you discover she's been sleeping around with multiple men.

k0k0 said:

Religion plays no role when I say I find a 14 year old having sex disturbing. Have you seen 14 year olds?

But 14? Without any religious associations, that still sounds absurd

Spooks_McBones said:


Some people are slutty, men and women. thats the whole point of having a varied race of people but not everyone who sleeps with people is. My views are you are born into the world to live one life, you can't hold back whole aspects of that life because someone else says so or some religion forbids it without good reason.

You won't win God points for denying yourself things that don't do any harm. Don't go around killing people is a good lesson to follow regardless if you are religious or not. Things like don't eat meat because you make god cry has no real impact on life so its a pointless rule, there just to stop people doing something for no reason. Now if you decide not to eat meat thats your right but do it for the right reasons not because you feel forced into having no choice on the matter by your religion. You might find you really like meat.

Lost_Future said:

They're only good if you simply believe every written word, without checking the resources reliability.

Lost_Future said:


You're dead wrong.

k0k0 said:

Now you think that's stupid. They think you'e stupid. The rights and wrongs vary a lot with individualism--that's the problem.

traed said:


Yes, i have. Have you? Are you implying how a person looks defines how right or wrong consent is?

You answered the wrong question. I said why would it be not absurd to you if the age of consent was based on religious beleifs? Why should someone or a government have special treatment based on religion when religion is a choice and a persons personal moral differences are no different than choosing a religion. You said

That makes it sound like you are saying if an age of 14 was based on a religions beleifs that it makes it better.

Spooks_McBones said:


I respect the rights of vegetarians. however I stop respecting that right if they begin to make broad claims such as "Been a vegetarian makes you live 20 years longer" or "Eating meat will make you cheat on your wife" individualism is right, follow your own path but don't sully others or impose yours onto others and not expect some kind of return.

k0k0 said:

I don't know if you're trolling on purpose or what, but the psyche of a 14 year old is quite underdeveloped and different than that of an 18 year old.

I answered correctly, I think. Religion plays no role in what I consider absurd or not absurd. It would be absurd to me if the age of consent being 14 was based on religious beliefs. Many things in religion are absurd to me. Many things not in religion are absurd to me. Like you said, religion is a choice. It's faith, not the Law.

traed said:
I can just as easily say the psyche of a 21 year old is quite underdeveloped and different than that of a 25 year old, so that is not the best argument especially since you base it on assumption. There is no objective way to decide if someone is mentally ready for sex. Every individual has a different psyche. There is no easy alternative to numbers but the signifigance of them is subjective and generalizing. I am not arguing what is right or wrong, I am arguing your reason for jugment of other countries or states.

Then I misunderstood what you meant to say because of how you worded it.

traed said:
There is no objective way to decide if someone is mentally ready for sex.

Lost_Future said:

She needs to know what "anal", "fisting", and "golden shower" means.

k0k0 said:

And the government needs to make an age consent law. Wouldn't it be more prudent to shift the law at an elder age, rather than a lower age, in order to increase the likelihood of the citizen's mental maturity? I think 21 year olds are more likely to be mature than 14 year olds.

traed said:
Then why not push the age to 40 to increase the liklihood? To answer the question of where to make an age of consent one would need to contemplate a few questions.
(These are rhetorical questions unless there is some scientific proof of something but I dont want to get into that)
How does one define maturity? Can this be measured? Should maturity be a factor to measure or should it be IQ or some other methods instead? Does maturity constantly increase or does it have a plateau? If it has a plateau is it same for all or does it differ by individual? Does the rate a persons maturity increase at a constant rate or changing rate? Can a persons maturity decline after a certain age and should their consent rights be revoked for it? Considering people often do not follow the law does the age chosen effect how early or late someone first has sex in opposition or acordance with the law as intent? Does gender of a person effect their maturity growth? Should the law differ by different groups of people if they differ in maturity by gender or race or economic class or whatever?

So I dont really know what age I would pick but I doubt it would 21 as that seems a bit high to me. If its not some fictional country and not me picking but some gov of an actual country well then that also is a factor because different countries may or may not have citizens of different maturities and may have different opinions of the people.