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AlexTheRiot said: fst said: Drones? Sybil? Citizens playing GTA on a tablet?By the way, who was driving the boat?! Boat's heart will go on and oooon |
| I don't get why people are so bugged by the fact that they have ammo. This show isn't so far in the future that they've discovered how to break thermodynamics, there has to be some sort of energy limitation even if there's no actual bullets. Although it is obviously something tossed in out of the blue after the fact to add tension, it's not implausible and it doesn't contradict anything we've seen to date. |
| I'd also like to know how, with limited knowledge of conventional weaponry, they loaded, assembled, and raised a (7.62mm 85lb M134?) in under ten seconds. Akane's whole escape from the drones seemed quite the feat LOL. |
fst said: I don't get why people are so bugged by the fact that they have ammo. This show isn't so far in the future that they've discovered how to break thermodynamics, there has to be some sort of energy limitation even if there's no actual bullets. Although it is obviously something tossed in out of the blue after the fact to add tension, it's not implausible and it doesn't contradict anything we've seen to date. The main issue is that this was randomly plugged into the story during a stressful situation. Why wasn't this type of information relayed a lot sooner in the season? Oh right because now that we are fighting these robots, we might as well tell the audience that our fancy energy guns only have 3 elimination shots. Never hinted in the first season and shamelessly pulled out of the writer's asses to make the situation more exciting. If you are going to tell the audience the inner workings of the only weapon of the enforcers and inspectors, then give us this information in the beginning of the season. |
Gymkata said: I'd also like to know how, with limited knowledge of conventional weaponry, they loaded, assembled, and raised a (7.62mm 85lb M134?) in under ten seconds. Akane's whole escape from the drones seemed quite the feat LOL. I'm sure the guy that used to work at the factory designing and building these drones has "limited knowledge" of the weapons mounted on them. As for how they're able to heft an externally powered gatling gun... blame Hollywood for creating the impression that it's a man portable weapon. Darkdrone said: fst said: I don't get why people are so bugged by the fact that they have ammo. This show isn't so far in the future that they've discovered how to break thermodynamics, there has to be some sort of energy limitation even if there's no actual bullets. Although it is obviously something tossed in out of the blue after the fact to add tension, it's not implausible and it doesn't contradict anything we've seen to date. The main issue is that this was randomly plugged into the story during a stressful situation. Why wasn't this type of information relayed a lot sooner in the season? Oh right because now that we are fighting these robots, we might as well tell the audience that our fancy energy guns only have 3 elimination shots. Never hinted in the first season and shamelessly pulled out of the writer's asses to make the situation more exciting. If you are going to tell the audience the inner workings of the only weapon of the enforcers and inspectors, then give us this information in the beginning of the season. That's what I'm saying. On the one hand, it's plausible and fits with cannon. On the other hand, it's a cheap writing trick. |
Darkdrone said: fst said: I don't get why people are so bugged by the fact that they have ammo. This show isn't so far in the future that they've discovered how to break thermodynamics, there has to be some sort of energy limitation even if there's no actual bullets. Although it is obviously something tossed in out of the blue after the fact to add tension, it's not implausible and it doesn't contradict anything we've seen to date. The main issue is that this was randomly plugged into the story during a stressful situation. Why wasn't this type of information relayed a lot sooner in the season? Oh right because now that we are fighting these robots, we might as well tell the audience that our fancy energy guns only have 3 elimination shots. Never hinted in the first season and shamelessly pulled out of the writer's asses to make the situation more exciting. If you are going to tell the audience the inner workings of the only weapon of the enforcers and inspectors, then give us this information in the beginning of the season. You're right, it's odd that this wasn't revealed a long time ago, so I can see how you'd see it as a plot convenience. But idk, I actually kinda liked it. There was so much action oriented bullshit going on in this episode (at least in my eyes), that a 'limiting' component was kinda refreshing *shrugs*. |
| Great episode. This game of cat and mouse was intense. Kamui and Shisui appear. Looks like they after Dominators. Love that little glimpse of Kougami at the end even if it was not him. |
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HarukaYume said: I agree with how much there were plot-holes here, but I'm just trying to view this season as a separate one. However that's not to say I don't absolutely love the character development of Akane and hello hello Ginoza, he's literally the no.1 person holding this season so far, bad ass indeed! i never cared much about him in the first season but u gotta love his cold demeanour and ruthlessness in this season, he's like a Ginoza-version of Kougami...love him, he's the main reason I'm enjoying this. Agreed. Ginoza is one of the characters saving this for me. Former Inspector turned Enforcer who has taken S1 lessons to heart. I like it. |
| Sudden bullet limitations lol, I agree with everyone about the iffy script writing plot holes everywhere. Oh well, we got some nice action and unbelievable scenes. |
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| Godammit, Akane. This is just like the time she didn't kill Makshima when she was given the chance on a silver platter (and indirectly killing her friend). Although, if she weren't such a weak character, there would be no story because both in this case and the Makshima one, everything would have ended right then and there. I miss Kougami. This show is lacking badasses and likeable characters (that don't get killed off first), and is oversatured with Urobutcher's guro-fetishes. |
I have to say, I like this opening. Anyone know who these might be? The first looks like some grissly medical experiment--perhaps the key to Kamui's powers?  |
| Really want to know Tougane motive for turning Tsunemori psycho pass to black. Kamui strike again and now with that inspector. Cannot wait for further episode to see what is the judgement he is talking about. |
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| I can't believe this hadn't occurred to me until now, but looking at that pic above, is it possible Kamui could be the Chief's (human form) son, who was put through a horrific med experiment designed to make him invisible to Sybil? I'm sure this has been posited a long time ago LOL. Also, what does a "black" PP mean? Invisibility, of sorts? |
DouluoNov 13, 2014 10:00 PM
| This episode reminded me a bit the first season of Psycho-Pass, Akame trying to do things your way but failing in the end, Mika doubting everything as Ginoza did, and bold plans to halt the enemy But still falls short of the first season, the focus is very broad and very generic characters, Kougami really fouls and Kamui is far from being equal to Makishima I hope the anime will improve .. |
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| What bullshit is this? Should have shot Kamui on his legs and capture him. |
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| They should've shot Kamui there... anyway, Ginoza is the bae in in this season. |
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darkreaver94 said: Vexper said: Since when did dominators run out of shots? Those things have ammo? I don't recall that ever being a problem before, am I missing something lol. Don't think so. I think it is more of cheap writing to make the situation more intense. It's pretty logical to make it that way, making it so that it has infinite ammo would be closer to cheap writing. To begin with, even if it was technically possible, you do not mass produce a weapon that has the potential to destroy whatever is in it's path (including you) even if it's use is soft-locked, that'd be something extremely stupid. Hardware is one thing but software is another. If a dominator is to fall into the hands of your enemy then it is possible to modify it's software or find a way through it like Kamui just did. Limiting it's potential with a number of charge/bullet is a good compromise for you to keep things under control. Secondly I do not see any problem with a gun going out of ammo. Obviously something can only store so much of an energy/number of ammo. Anime/movie have the bad tendency of using infinite ammo any time it's convenient with no regard on how stupid this look. Storing three shots of something that can destroy a mecha about six time your size in a small gun sound already pretty extreme to me. There should be no use for dominator to hold much more than three shots to begin with. Decomposer mode isn't supposed to be used that often (hence why there never was a problem with it before). Don't forget they are in a society that is under control and the case where they need to actually kill someone are pretty rare. There was an emergency this time that required the use of more than three shots but this practically almost never happen in this world. They aren't soldiers that go to war with the need to kill dozen of people, they're law enforcer that can go months doing desk/field work without having the option to kill someone or not. |
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Gymkata said: I have to say, I like this opening. Anyone know who these might be? The first looks like some grissly medical experiment--perhaps the key to Kamui's powers? The person in the second picture is Mika. It'd be interesting if the first was a part of Kamui's past, or it could just be someone whose face got blown off by a dominator. |
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KanameFujiwara said: ^Indeed. If it had infinite ammo Inspectors could carry it with them all the time. I assume they need to be recharged as well or else why would they bring them in a special box when they start a mission.Darkdrone said: Another major issue I had was that the denominators had actual ammo....like wtf? In the days where holographic technology is available and guns that scan and give a persons information, there is actually limitations on the bullets? Utterly ridiculous. Decomposer mode seems to take a lot of energy and I do think they have not reach a point where energy is infinite.  |
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| Akane always does that shit! Just shoot! Like shooting with a gun is waay worse than the dominators.... |
Killito said: Sorry but I would of killed Kamui right then and there. Exactly. Considering the damage he had already caused and that he doesn't seem to have any intention of stopping, to kill Kamui then and there would have been the best course of action. It matters little that inspector Shisui might have been manipulated into siding with him, I would find putting her in danger by shooting Kamui would have been completely excusable, considering the threat that Kamui poses to public safety. I still can't quite forgive Akane's reluctance to kill Makishima Shougo when the opportunity presented itself, leading to the death of Akane's friend, Yuki (?) and many others. |
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tanteiRE said: Gymkata said: I have to say, I like this opening. Anyone know who these might be? The first looks like some grissly medical experiment--perhaps the key to Kamui's powers? The person in the second picture is Mika. It'd be interesting if the first was a part of Kamui's past, or it could just be someone whose face got blown off by a dominator. Much how I love for the latter to happen to Mika, I think it's just symbolism of what happened to her from S1. Deepened more if you know what the source of her grief actually meant to her. As for the first pic, it might be Kamui or some random person. |
| lol @ all the people bitching about the dominators not having infinite ammo. It's almost like there's no such thing as infinite energy. Nerds gonna be nerds I guess. The real stupid point in this episode is Kamui, of course. And the 'use my body as you please' line that Shisui said I seriously laughed at that. I'm honestly more interested in what Togane and the Chief have planned for Akane. Kirito/Kamui feel like a red herring to me. I'm starting to think it's no coincidence or cheap writing trick that Togane and Kougami feel so similar either, especially after she freaks and imagines Kougami is there. |
DigitalcommunistNov 14, 2014 12:37 AM
nocturnalistic said: With the lack of Enforcers (due to them being shot to bits) and Inspectors, they should reinstate Ginoza once more. Not possible though as being an Inspector/Enforcer is not based on skill or experience as we can see with Mika, but Crime Coefficient based. So, Unless Ginoza can magically clear his CC he will never be an Inspector again. |
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| haven't followed or posted in any of the episode convos so far but this one really bothered me For God's sake just shoot him Akane. He has killed like a bazillion people this season already. I thought she was sufficiently matured since last season so I'm very disappointed by this. Something I was thinking throughout the episode was "don't they have any way to call for backup?" No one even tries to call for backup (other than from the computer geek blonde but that's not what I'm talking about). Shouldn't they have some kind of air support (and yeah they might have got shot down by drones but still)? The dude's getaway vehicle is a freaking BOAT. I'm sure he's going to get away scott free as usual but that's just not a believable escape. Don't they have satellites or helicopters or something? Can he make the whole boat invisible? Also I guess he hacked the entire drone system somehow....that's....quite a feat. Maybe they will explain it later. The drones not being able to attack if they are too close together also struck me as really dumb. The writer just pulled that out of their butt. As I saw earlier in the thread one of them attacked another one in the previous episode making it extra dumb (I had actually forgotten that happened). |
TiamatNMNov 14, 2014 1:37 AM
| For people who have problems with the more debatable aspects of this episode (especially concerning the ending), I am going to repost someone's comment to hopefully clarify things. "It's really becoming a case of show, not tell, in Psycho-Pass 2. Sometimes a story takes your hand and walks you through every detail, which gets boring and tedious fast. Psycho-Pass is not one of those shows. People have to actually put themselves into that world and pick up the clues that are given. Quote: Originally Posted by Casshern "The story is getting damn stupid really fast. They've had several criminals with low coefficients already but they still haven't armed themselves with regular handguns." This is getting repetitive. People in Psycho-Pass cannot use handguns since 1) it raises their CC through the roof since they are using it as an intent to kill, and 2) it undermines the dominators and the Sibyl system itself. Dominators are used as judge and executioner. Nothing else is allowed, or it worsens the CC. Akane stopped Tougane because she did not want a repeat of what happened to Kougami when he shot Makishima. Akane cannot shoot the gun herself since it will mean she finally makes an effort to kill someone, and again, it will undermine the Sibyl system. Quote: Originally Posted by Casshern "Drones can shoot anyone they want, and they're easier to hack than dominators." That's the point. They are hacked, so yes, a hacked system can do whatever the hacker programs it to do. Quote: Originally Posted by Casshern "Akane hasn't ordered Sybil through her dominator yet, which is like having a deus ex machina in your pocket and not pulling it out." That was, so far, a one time thing, and it is totally up to Sibyl to decide if they will allow her to do so. They could say no, and Akane would be screwed to rely on that. Quote: Originally Posted by Casshern "Akane just let Kamui escape, with a bunch of dominators, after he just committed mass murder." Refer back to why she could not use the gun from above. If Sibyl won't allow it, she cannot do it. Quote: Originally Posted by the one above all "Any specific reason as to why Akane stopped Togane?" Refer to above for explanation. Quote: Originally Posted by the one above all "The problem really could be solved that easily. I know Kamui is trying to expose the systems's flaws but half of these weaknesses are because they system seems to have no common sense." It's not common sense to us, but it is common sense to the world that is in the anime. It's also as Aniwatcher said... Sibyl wants to be portrayed as a perfect system; hence, any obvious changes would undermine that image. "Quote: Originally Posted by Aniwatcher "There are so many problems in the world, alot of it has easy fix and yet they are not fixed because overcoming powerful status quo is extremely difficult and time consuming." All your points are spot on, especially this one." Like the stated above, it might not seem logical in our eyes but in the context of the show and characters, it makes sense so I don't have much problems with this episode |
zerrietNov 14, 2014 2:44 AM
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| This episode was wonderful!! Really full action since the start of the game wow! Shisui has totally became Kamui's slave... she put up red lipstick to be more attractive to Kamui? ahah Kamui is amazing, under every aspect(shooting with dominators and hacking and so on) It got me chills when Togane wished to turn Akane's hue into black... That ending wasn't unexpected, i knew too (just like Kamui said) that Akane wouldn't have been able to shoot with a real weapon... Togane could have eliminated Kamui if Akane didn't stop him... Even in these moments, Akane still remembers Kougami and see him in Togane(yes they act similar but...) Anyway can't wait for next episode and the judgment that Kamui was talking about! |
| My problem with this season I still can't find any likeable character even we're on the halfway already! and the fact that they downgraded Sybil a lot! Isn't Sybil supposed to be able to control the dominator from afar? like in the first season where they locked Akane's gun to the paralyzer mode? Sure Sybil couldn't be that stupid. They should know that something's wrong since they're the one who directly analyze the person's PP. They could've just disable Shisui's dominator accessibility. And why would Sybil wanted to play with Akane's PP? They believe that they could cooperate, that's why they chose her in the first place and reveal their real identity. Sybil calculated things without using their emotions and chose the safest way for the system. And now it looks like they'll just sit back and enjoy the show? Well, It's quite entertain though if you're not trying to link it with the 1st season much. Btw I just can't stand the cheesy lines between Kamui and Shisui in this episode. I mean really? They think they're on Broadway? |
TmZ_Holymama said: My problem with this season I still can't find any likeable character even we're on the halfway already! and the fact that they downgraded Sybil a lot! Isn't Sybil supposed to be able to control the dominator from afar? like in the first season where they locked Akane's gun to the paralyzer mode? Sure Sybil couldn't be that stupid. They should know that something's wrong since they're the one who directly analyze the person's PP. They could've just disable Shisui's dominator accessibility. And why would Sybil wanted to play with Akane's PP? They believe that they could cooperate, that's why they chose her in the first place and reveal their real identity. Sybil calculated things without using their emotions and chose the safest way for the system. And now it looks like they'll just sit back and enjoy the show? Well, It's quite entertain though if you're not trying to link it with the 1st season much. Btw I just can't stand the cheesy lines between Kamui and Shisui in this episode. I mean really? They think they're on Broadway? here is another perspective. what if sibyl purposely chose not to deactivate the domimator? |
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| And why would they do that? I don't see any profit to the system. zerriet said: TmZ_Holymama said: My problem with this season I still can't find any likeable character even we're on the halfway already! and the fact that they downgraded Sybil a lot! Isn't Sybil supposed to be able to control the dominator from afar? like in the first season where they locked Akane's gun to the paralyzer mode? Sure Sybil couldn't be that stupid. They should know that something's wrong since they're the one who directly analyze the person's PP. They could've just disable Shisui's dominator accessibility. And why would Sybil wanted to play with Akane's PP? They believe that they could cooperate, that's why they chose her in the first place and reveal their real identity. Sybil calculated things without using their emotions and chose the safest way for the system. And now it looks like they'll just sit back and enjoy the show? Well, It's quite entertain though if you're not trying to link it with the 1st season much. Btw I just can't stand the cheesy lines between Kamui and Shisui in this episode. I mean really? They think they're on Broadway? here is another perspective. what if sibyl purposely chose not to deactivate the domimator? And why would they do that? I don't see any profit to the system. |
| Pretty good episode. At least one other person has now seen Kamui (wish it was Ginoza instead, but eh). |
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TmZ_Holymama said: And why would they do that? I don't see any profit to the system. zerriet said: here is another perspective. what if sibyl purposely chose not to deactivate the domimator? And why would they do that? I don't see any profit to the system. Remember, the system is very tricky to understand as a whole since there is no real black and white in the series. By its logic, it should have immediately exterminate Makshima but it did not because it wanted to expand its knowledge. Same thing applies here since it probably wants to learn and has judged that all the atrocities committed so far are not sufficient enough to outweigh the potential growth in knowledge |
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| Technically this whole debacle about Kamui taking Dominators can be solved by removing Shisui's permissions/privileges from the Sibyl Network (user database) and all the rest of the inspectors and enforcers that died in this episode. In other words Shisui or Kamui would be denied use (AAA server) to the Dominators and their eyes would be useless. CASE CLOSED end of series hahaha! |
Mr_DaftPunkNov 14, 2014 5:18 AM
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Mr_DaftPunk said: Technically this whole debacle about Kamui taking Dominators can be solved by removing Shisui's permissions/privileges from the Sibyl Network (user database) and all the rest of the inspectors and enforcers that died in this episode. In other words Shisui or Kamui would be denied use (AAA server) to the Dominators and their eyes would be useless. CASE CLOSED end of series hahaha! That's what I'm saying. zerriet said: Remember, the system is very tricky to understand as a whole since there is no real black and white in the series. By its logic, it should have immediately exterminate Makshima but it did not because it wanted to expand its knowledge. Same thing applies here since it probably wants to learn and has judged that all the atrocities committed so far are not sufficient enough to outweigh the potential growth in knowledge Well,in this case they didn't even try to control the damage, didn't they? What about their "perfect system"? What about "trying to avoid a pointless death"? This season just made them look like a brainless machine. |
TmZ_Holymama said: Mr_DaftPunk said: Technically this whole debacle about Kamui taking Dominators can be solved by removing Shisui's permissions/privileges from the Sibyl Network (user database) and all the rest of the inspectors and enforcers that died in this episode. In other words Shisui or Kamui would be denied use (AAA server) to the Dominators and their eyes would be useless. CASE CLOSED end of series hahaha! That's what I'm saying. zerriet said: Remember, the system is very tricky to understand as a whole since there is no real black and white in the series. By its logic, it should have immediately exterminate Makshima but it did not because it wanted to expand its knowledge. Same thing applies here since it probably wants to learn and has judged that all the atrocities committed so far are not sufficient enough to outweigh the potential growth in knowledge Well,in this case they didn't even try to control the damage, didn't they? What about their "perfect system"? What about "trying to avoid a pointless death"? This season just made them look like a brainless machine. A perfect system is sometimes in a way too perfect. The trend for them which was established in season 1 was to make exceptions for those that somehow manage to defy the world they created. Call it a case of double standards :P |
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| Another fantastic episode. Great pacing. Akane was a badass, some deaths. Tons of things to love. :3 |
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