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In the end I'm still sad that Cal had to go that way and die but at least she died by the right hands... Pretty nice development and I really wonder what the final episode will offer us!
Thing could have just ended happily... but they just had to do it.
CALLLLLL.... this is too much.... whyyyyy....... :'0
Kill.. kill.. kill all those basterds Reiji !! Damn they ruined a pure little innocent girl's life.
Argh.. so emotional.. can't keep it in.
Well it's finally the end and good riddance to this anime. gosh.
Really not enjoying this show anymore
Finally the real problem arises after they kill each other
gimme a break HOW IS this rated higher than an 8?????
disliked this episode well the hole arc in general
SO they "kill" cal we all new she wasn't dead but reji didnt know about it
bring her back jsut to have him kill her
fucking stupid
Cal was an awesome character but they really ruined her as the show went on. Dusty Trails ending from the VN is absolutely the best ending and they really should have incorporated it into the anime. They could easily change a few things to make it more complete.
Anime ending just was not satisfying and really missed the mark in regards to the theme of getting back what was lost. It was a nonsensical conclusion and overall they completely fucked up a massive homerun in storytelling by delivering an abysmal last few episodes.
Cal/Elen/Reiji were not stupid but they were stripped of any semblance of intelligence by the powers in charge. Cal had one of the dumbest deaths in anime history.
This is a message to Cal from Reiji in the words of the great Chris Tucker from Rush Hour 2. "We could have been a good couple, we could have had something special, but you're one crazy-ass bitch!"
So was I suddenly supposed to symphatize with the crazy psycho Cal after this episode and be sad that she died. Sorry, but with such poor characterization and such forced plot mechanics, that's just not possible.
Why was Cal there in the first place if they'll kill her off anyway?...the story could have progressed without her very fine...she was just ...there! Nothing else. Obviously just for Zweis characteerdevelopment but still to me an unnecessary character. This anime had so much capability....
I'm rather disappointed, its like Reiji abandoned her all over again. The only solution was to shoot her? Ridiculous, especially after your little promise to save her to Mio, unless you are taking the "we had to destroy the village to save it" tactic, or in this case "I had to kill her to save her". She was swayable I think, you didn't even bother trying to convince her you didn't abandon her at all... but really this is the writers trying to force sympathy onto Cal and doing a bad job of it. Really frustrating, this show was better before the time skip.
I have characters like this, they do all this shit then go I just wanted to be with you at the end...you didn't HAVE to do any of this shit and Reiji would have understood.
How can the author be so selfish to put such a f***ing endig like this for a girl that was innocet in past and made her a monster wihthout any acceptable reason...
My question is why cal should be so badly angry because of just guessing that she was abadoned by reiji?and why reiji didin't say that he thought cal is dead?and do not making such a tragedy like this?
The author is such a psychotic and sadist person...
this ending sucks...
I am sorry for the creator...damn them...damn damn damn...
What a fucking stupid end to Cal! Man, this is some serious bullshit. OUt of all the scenarios that could have happened, the only solution would be to kill Cal? It's like Reiji abandoned her all over again. I just don't understand it. Cal's arc was handled very badly. Things just did not make any sense. This was the only possible conclusion?
This ending for Cal sucks balls and makes no sense. I fucking hate this show. The only way to redeem it would be to have Reiji and Elen die, too. Cal does not deserve to die all alone like this.
Did they really have to kill Cal? Like why can't Reiji do his charms like what he did to Eren. Also the quick draw scene, like out of the phantoms none of them would die so quickly with one bullet wound. Sucks...
This anime doesn't have a good ending after all..
Cal was obviously wrong, but she is the personification of tragedy in this show ...
I hope Elen won't die too ...
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare.
But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !"
Ankylar said: What a fucking stupid end to Cal! Man, this is some serious bullshit. OUt of all the scenarios that could have happened, the only solution would be to kill Cal? It's like Reiji abandoned her all over again. I just don't understand it. Cal's arc was handled very badly. Things just did not make any sense. This was the only possible conclusion?
This ending for Cal sucks balls and makes no sense. I fucking hate this show. The only way to redeem it would be to have Reiji and Elen die, too. Cal does not deserve to die all alone like this.
Cals Death made me have suicidal thoughts ngl, I never cried to an anime before but when I saw episode 25, I cried so damn hard.
I hope they make ova adapting a Cals True Route where she survives so I can be at peace but I doubt they will ever do that since its already been like 10 years since this anime was released.
Jim_Heart said: This anime doesn't have a good ending after all..
Cal was obviously wrong, but she is the personification of tragedy in this show ...
I hope Elen won't die too ...
Yep, Cals Death was a total tragedy, I could care less about Zwei and Ein. Im just sad that Cal died like that.
First character death I'm actually upset about. Not only was Cal the victim of the same crap that Scythe Master pulled with Elen, but she was also the victim of bad character writing after the timeskip. Didn't deserve that.
I've got a good amount of thoughts in my mind on the final chapter of this anime and don't want to waste too much time trying to sort them to be coherent, so I'm just going to word vomit all over this comment and do this steam of consciousness-style.
I was going to start this out by saying that this anime functions as a lukewarm, semi-cautionary tragic tale of people who get sucked into an abusive cycle of violence that they are never able to free themselves from and that ultimately gets the final say at the end, but for some reason, I was going to phrase that in a negative way, but actually I don't mind that and if the anime had done a better job of it, then this would've gotten a high rating from me regardless of how I did want this to be a more healing story. This series had a very strong base to work from and even up until the end of the second chapter, I was into it and intrigued about where it would go from there, but then the third chapter comes along and leaves me feeling conflicted but underwhelmed in the end, which is a shame because it very much had my attention from the start of it. However, the ball that the first two chapters got rolling just started rolling downhill, gradually at first before it plateaued and never really went up again. I had my reservations seeing how the third chapter started off, but I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt because I thought the series would do something compelling, but at a certain point, I realize that what it was giving me was not going to finish this series in a way that would do the previous chapters justice and while I think it's a shame, I started feeling this pretty early on in the third chapter that it didn't come as a unpleasant shock in the end.
There was the tonal shift having the Japanese high school setting pop up with a cast of high schoolers that never got fully fleshed out - which really harmed Mio's character because I was supposed to feel a lot because of her, but a lot of the things that involved her were never that impactful because she always felt like a mild-mannered prop - and for some reason, Reiji and Elen are not bothering to go by different names and I'm wondering why they're even going to high school when they can be enjoying their freedom some other way. Maybe they both wanted to return to a life of normalcy so badly that they returned to high school because it allowed Reiji to revisit his past and for Elen to experience something she was never able to experience, which would've been a touching angle to come at it from, but the series never delves into that, so I'm just here thinking of "Twilight" vampires. Not to mention there was some random song that would get played at times that included the sound of someone having an orgasm that was so out-of-place.
And then there's Cal's entire plotline, which was so heavy-handed that I barely felt for her even though I knew where it was coming from with the second chapter. If anything, she should've just died for real in that bombing, but again I thought the series was going to go somewhere with her becoming an assassin, but it goes nowhere. There's so much telling and not enough showing. It's just punching in the same point again and again that she got abandoned and hurt from that experience so that got warped into a violent need for revenge that I can understand why some people would be annoyed by it. You could do something actually emotional with that, but it just comes off as an immature tantrum instead of a mature depiction of lost and grief. And it got resolved in the most unsatisfying way that Reiji also started to irritate me. He supposedly cares a lot for her, but barely lifts a finger to show her how much she means to him. I guess I'm just supposed to assume that these characters are so twisted by violence that attempting a heart-to-heart is unfathomable to them, because there's not even any attempts made for that like I get that Cal would be stubborn against it, but any potential for this series to touch on something real and raw is just tossed aside for this revenge plot that apparently can only be resolved if one of them dies - and even that is undercut in this episode by how immediately at peace she is after she's shot. Instead of being given the moment to have every emotion that's been bottled up within her come out at being defeated by Reiji, she's fine with everything now. Just like that. And that watch felt so gimmicky and was overused. (Also, her appearance after the time-skip took me out for a bit because suddenly this girl that I thought was a middle schooler is tall and has huge tits in the span of two years. I actually had to go look up her age to find out how old she was and came to the conclusion that the writer(s) do not understand that girls experience puberty differently than boys.)
The only thing left to touch on is Elen and Reiji's relationship. It was the highlight of the first chapter. I could excuse it not being a focal point in the second chapter, because of the situations they were in and it was shifting the focus to other things, but I was viewing it as a transitional chapter for the third chapter where it would get revisited and built upon. The two literally spent two years together running from their past and trying to create a future for themselves, so you would think that they'd be closer from when we last saw them, but they still come across as so distant to each other. I expected that they'd open up to each other - even if it hadn't been completely, but at least in a couple of ways that would've been interesting to see their relationship developed somehow, but then half-formed or barely-formed relationships get thrown in the mix where I start to feel as if the writer(s) are trying to turn the series into some pseudo-harem which is not what I'm there for and not where the series needs to go, because it already has a lot going for it. Either way I was way too unmoved by the final scene of the last episode for how compelling these two characters and their relationship had been in the first chapter. I'm surprised I'm not more disappointed by that. Maybe I'm just at a point where I've put my guard up because I know I have high expectations that I have to be tentative about because most anime do not meet them, so I'm just sitting here shrugging my shoulders.
At this point, it's clear that I've written an entire review, but I'll just leave it as is on this thread since I'm focusing on how this series concluded. It had potential and actually felt fresh during that first chapter and even into the second chapter, but this series was not given enough breathing room. All things said, that's my biggest gripe with the series and that's why I can't really find fault with it and am not as let down as I could be, because what's the point when its length is to blame? The first chapter worked as good as it did because it was given the time to develop, but then that time got shorter and shorter for the last two chapters. I could see the last chapter being better than it is if it had been given more time to develop the characters and relationships and themes, etc. There was stuff there - even if it was going in a direction I didn't particularly care for - but it got rushed. This series should've been at least 36/39 episodes with 12/13 episodes for each chapter. That would've done the story a lot more favors. It had more going on than it had the time to deal with. Being slow and depressing was when this series shined brightest, but instead it had to quicken the pace and got turned into a melodramatic spectacle as a result.
LadyOrihime said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Just finished watching episode 25 on KeyHoleTV. Very emotional episode. See below for spoilers (including crappy screen captures behind the PIC Links) DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING SPOILED IF YOU CLICK THIS AND ACTUALLY GET SPOILED
Shiga and some Godoh men pick up Mio, who faints after seeing them. She wakes up at home {PIC} and looks at her wrists that have rope burn. She talks with her mother about her father after she leaves her room. {PIC}
Reiji gets a call from Mio {PIC}, who tells him where Elen and Cal are. She tells him her feelings {PIC}, and he thanks her.
Cal is drinking at what looks like the place where she killed all the Chinese men. {PIC} She's drunk and has visions of, and talks to, Judy {PIC}, Lizzie, and the guy she played her game with under the lamp post after she shot up the resturant. She tries to shoot him, but the bullet goes right through his head. Her visions disappear, and she holds her knees and starts sobbing (I can't remember what she's saying here) {PIC}
Elen is praying at the church when Reiji arrives. {PIC} I do not know what they are saying, but it's obvious that it's the same stuff that's talked about in the VN. Swing Vision is shown, and Reiiji embraces Elen {PIC}, who looks surprised, before she relaxes {PIC}. No will you marry me from what I could tell.
Cal arrives at the church and is surprised to see Reiji. He says he will kill her.
The Godoh group arrives. Elen appears in front of them, and takes them on. {PIC}
Reiji and Cal begin their duel {PIC}. Reiji is surprised to see the watch, and Cal says You remember it? or something like that. Reiji has flashbacks of the time he spent with Cal, before a vision of him waking up in a white car, in his LA clothes {PIC}, and a current Cal driving the car. They talk to each other. Cal looks happy. {PIC}
...Song begins to end, and they both draw, and we hear a gun shot. Flashes of the watch breaking {PIC}, close-ups of Cal's eyes {PIC}, a bunch of lilies, are shown before we see the watch shattered on the ground {PIC}.
Reiji is holding Cal and they speak, Cal is glad Reiji was with her in the end {PIC}. Cal dies {PIC}, Reiji screams her name.
Shiga is leaned up against a car, and Elen appears. He calls her Phantom, then Scythe shows up, and she is gone. The Zahlen Schwestern are with him {PIC}
Reiji lays Cal on the ground, and her watch is laid below her chest. He folds her hands over her stomach {PIC}, caresses her cheek {PIC}, and leaves the church with the big ass gun Cal brought with her (I don't know guns, sorry! XD). He says something, but I forgot!
In the preview, Reiji is talking, and we basically just see what looks like a setting sun and in that we see Reiji {PIC}, then Scythe, then Elen turned away holding a gun.
LadyOrihime said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Just finished watching episode 25 on KeyHoleTV. Very emotional episode. See below for spoilers (including crappy screen captures behind the PIC Links) DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING SPOILED IF YOU CLICK THIS AND ACTUALLY GET SPOILED
Shiga and some Godoh men pick up Mio, who faints after seeing them. She wakes up at home {PIC} and looks at her wrists that have rope burn. She talks with her mother about her father after she leaves her room. {PIC}
Reiji gets a call from Mio {PIC}, who tells him where Elen and Cal are. She tells him her feelings {PIC}, and he thanks her.
Cal is drinking at what looks like the place where she killed all the Chinese men. {PIC} She's drunk and has visions of, and talks to, Judy {PIC}, Lizzie, and the guy she played her game with under the lamp post after she shot up the resturant. She tries to shoot him, but the bullet goes right through his head. Her visions disappear, and she holds her knees and starts sobbing (I can't remember what she's saying here) {PIC}
Elen is praying at the church when Reiji arrives. {PIC} I do not know what they are saying, but it's obvious that it's the same stuff that's talked about in the VN. Swing Vision is shown, and Reiiji embraces Elen {PIC}, who looks surprised, before she relaxes {PIC}. No will you marry me from what I could tell.
Cal arrives at the church and is surprised to see Reiji. He says he will kill her.
The Godoh group arrives. Elen appears in front of them, and takes them on. {PIC}
Reiji and Cal begin their duel {PIC}. Reiji is surprised to see the watch, and Cal says You remember it? or something like that. Reiji has flashbacks of the time he spent with Cal, before a vision of him waking up in a white car, in his LA clothes {PIC}, and a current Cal driving the car. They talk to each other. Cal looks happy. {PIC}
...Song begins to end, and they both draw, and we hear a gun shot. Flashes of the watch breaking {PIC}, close-ups of Cal's eyes {PIC}, a bunch of lilies, are shown before we see the watch shattered on the ground {PIC}.
Reiji is holding Cal and they speak, Cal is glad Reiji was with her in the end {PIC}. Cal dies {PIC}, Reiji screams her name.
Shiga is leaned up against a car, and Elen appears. He calls her Phantom, then Scythe shows up, and she is gone. The Zahlen Schwestern are with him {PIC}
Reiji lays Cal on the ground, and her watch is laid below her chest. He folds her hands over her stomach {PIC}, caresses her cheek {PIC}, and leaves the church with the big ass gun Cal brought with her (I don't know guns, sorry! XD). He says something, but I forgot!
In the preview, Reiji is talking, and we basically just see what looks like a setting sun and in that we see Reiji {PIC}, then Scythe, then Elen turned away holding a gun.
Deep down, Cal wouldn't have pulled the trigger anyway. The fact she didn't get to live with her love (Reiji) forever like she wanted was eating her alive from inside. The only solution to that for her was to die from the hands of her lover. She found peace and solice in that. That was a genuine smile she had in Reiji's arm, right before she gave her last breath. Rest in peace, dear Cal > 2:08 AM, 19/12/24