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| Well to put it simply the ending was rushed and bad. Was it the worst ending in anime history? No. Was it good? No. While there is some panels that got some of the feels going for it being the final chapter it wasn't sent off with a bang of a emotional rollercoaster. This doesn't help due to the community leaving a very sour taste in my mouth forcing me to agree with them. Literally every time I say something remotely negative about AOT it's a shit storm of; " You just didn't understand it " " You're an idiot " ETC Honestly, it just shows a lot of these people haven't seen Berserk. |
  Even If We Painstakingly Piece Together Something Lost, It Doesn't Mean Things Will Ever go Back To How They Were - Guts  |
| Isayama managed to butcher his entire manga in one arc. I'm speechless. Why did he ever think any of this was a good idea? |
NovaLord said: Isayama managed to butcher his entire manga in one arc. I'm speechless. Why did he ever think any of this was a good idea? Actually, I think that the very concept of the arc was quite good and refreshing. To bad the execution was poor. However, what really killed it was the final few chapters, especially the ending. While Survey corps final appearance was a nice touch, honestly, I don't remember manga ending this bad. Sure, we had cases like Shokugeki no Soma, but at least it did not completely ruin years worth of character development. |
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| Of course, you can interpret many events in your own way and have your opinion on various topics, but still understanding what is happening in this manga requires some analysis skills. In turn, I will say it with pain, a lot of people from the fandom probably read this for adrenaline and brutality. As if they lack some deeper analysis or thinking. Calling Eren trash and the worst character is just a total failure to understand his character and what he has lived through he chose a path that consciously led him to death, and we know that this was not the life he wanted for himself. He did not want to die, but the world forced him to make such and no other choices and such an end. The tragedy of this story is that despite rumbling, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and forbidding the power of the titans, people are not able to get along, on the contrary - they are getting ready for war.Realism is perfectly shown here. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/832282487d6a0986bf31f1d52a456eeaf5928d99a0c04c0eb75ad7ac58dc0ea1.jpg |
| I’ve re-read the chapter with the official translation this time and it makes more sense. It feels rather close to an ending that I would wish for. I was never really fond of all the supernatural element in this story, and what Isayama leaves us is from now on a story about humans only. I admit that Armin's phrase about thanking Eren was cringe in the fan translation, but the official translation corrects this as it clearly says that mass murder is an error:  "You became a mass murderer for our sake... I promise I won't let this error go to waste". The ending looks optimistic, but not all that happy. There is no world peace. The world has badly suffered. Eldia is being hastily militarized and Yaegerists are strong. To be honest, I don't think they are real motivated to have peace talks with people who have killed Eren to be honest and Armin will really have to give some god-level peace talk to sort this mess out. Hopefully Historia does prove useful. (Btw, I'm not at all disappointed with farmer seemingly being the father of Historia's child, I always tended to believe the pregnancy to be a way of buying time before turning Historia into a titan and nothing more. I think the fact that Eren supported this plan is just a proof that he whole-heartedly hated this titan bullshit and wanted at least the people who were closest to him free of its cruelty). When reading the fan translation, I did not actually understand that Jean and Co were actually ambassadors from the side of Allied nations and not Eldia. This hurts but in a good way. And I overlooked it when I first read it, but oh my, this panel is pure gold imo. At the back of the cheering crowd, there are Niccolo and Sasha's family, who look rather sad at all this shitshow. And what is Hitch doing? Is she like totally yawning in the middle of this Nazi-like rally? Seems she's learned her lesson too. I never cared for her, but now I'm beginning to like her. Overall, I get a very warm feeling from re-reading at this chapter. Yes, some things feel rushed could have been explained better (disappearance of the worm, Mikasa's memory alteration, Ymir's love), but I must admit I just never really cared about it. The main thing for me were always the characters, and they were beautifully written all through the manga. (Yes, Eren too, this arrogant selfish/heroically unselfish kid). ***** I still have to think more about Eren's plotline, everyone says that he's been Ymir's marionette this whole time, but I did not get this impression. I rather understood it like he made a terrible decision, but with his seeing-through-time abilities he was able to see that there were basically two options: - either he has to go along the flow of events that are horrible but will ultimately lift the curse and rid the world of titans, - or do nothing and this titan horror goes on for indefinitely long. Eren took the responsibility for changing the established cycle, and that's his beauty and his tragedy as a character. He's trying for greater good but the way to achieve it is so cruel that one wonders whether it was really worth it. Not long ago I watched a youtube vid (in Russian) where the author got very close to the idea of the actual ending and I think his explanation made a lot of sense. My retelling may not be so deep as in the original vid but basically every SNK character is a slave to something, and has to sacrifice what is dearest to him to become free. Erwin gives up on his dream of learning the truth about the world; Levi sacrifices Erwin; Armin abandons his humanity when he transforms into the Colossal Titan and kills innocent civilians; Mikasa has to let go of Eren; and Eren has to renounce his very freedom and commit the violence he obviously hates in order to free the world from the curse and ultimately to free himself by dying. I think it’s a beautiful and poetic idea, and I feel this explains a lot of things in SNK for me. *** Finally, as a Levi fangirl, I will just ramble a little more about him because I want to. Levi's survival feels like fanservice, that's for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that he's done anything specifically Levi-like since he got bombed by Zeke. (I mean, the way Zeke stuck out his head, it could have been cut by anyone). In retrospect, I would have preferred Levi to die there on the river bank, it would have been bitter but realistic in SNK style and much more memorable. Instead, he was dragged about for quite a long time in his obviously painful state. I felt sorry for him during the whole Rumbling arc. I also have to say that seeing the dead scouts "watching it all from above" in the latest chapters was a bit overdone to my taste. I never liked this afterlife thingy, it kind of diminishes their sacrifice if they are dead but not totally dead. I prefer to think that this Walhalla has disappeared at the same time as the Paths and the curse of Ymir. I liked that Levi remained handicapped though, since being deprived of his titan-like Ackerman powers, he was not able to heal so quickly. It was a nice touch. I still wonder how he ended up with Falco and Gabi as his caretakers. Flying together over the sea of colossal titans sure does wonders for bonding :) I feel quite sad that all his old friends are dead. I also wonder whether it should means something that Levi and Onyankopon are in the same panel or not. I mean, the text goes about people trying to kill each other for a long time, but I don’t think Levi and Onyankopon were ever hostile towards each other, and surely Levi was not aggressive towards Gabi and Falco at any point. And it was fun to see that all characters got older, but Levi even with his scars looks probably more youthful and well-rested than ever before. I feel like he’s finally getting his sleep he’s missed for so long, or at least I hope so. |
SoranoCloudApr 10, 2021 4:02 PM
yaegerist-15 said: SoranoCloud said: the parallel between mikasa and ymir is horrible. It contradicts everything what happened in 122, eren free ymir indicates ymir finally be free from the enslaving by king fritz and now she brought mikasa to that situation to solve her Stockholm sndydrom.I'm personally quite okay with the final chapter. I understand why people are disappointed, but I prayed that there be no alternate reality or high school shit, and my prayers were answered. I can accept this ending, it does not ruin AOT for me. Maybe I would have preferred the several final chapters be somewhat different, but I don't feel betrayed by Isayama or anything. I was never a Eren/Mikasa shipper, but I don't think that the parallel of Mikasa and Ymir is horrible writing. Unexpected for sure (and to be quite frank I never felt particularly interested in Mikasa), but bad? I don't feel so. I have always felt that AOT, in spite of its darker themes and cruelty, is an optimistic work of art. There still is a degree of bitterness as the new world balance was established due to horrible sacrifice, and a new war is not far away from Paradis, but Eldians can now talk as equals with the rest of the world. Anyway, I'll be happy to read alternate takes on this story. Mmm, I don't really remember chapters 122 all that well, I think I will re-read it later and see whether it really is so bad as you say. A love story as the origin of all evil and suffering sure is not something I expected from AOT. |
| Lol, I’ve just realized that the so-called feminists that rage against Isayama “glorifying” abuse are totally missing the point. He’s in fact doing totally the reverse, as he basically says that Ymir’s toxic relationship and her inability to free herself from it is the origin of all suffering manga characters go through. (Not sure I’m happy about this premise but still). It’s actually the most modern and feminist message. Showing that something exists does not equal to glorifying this something. *** While there are things that can be rightfully criticized about AOT, one of things that never cease to amaze me about Isayama is how perfectly he has managed to capture the Zeitgeist in his manga. He depicts racism, same-sex relationships, gender-ambiguous persons, strong female characters in a way that does not feel forced (as contrary to many Hollywood movies during the same time period). It feels really like a breath of fresh air to have characters that love each other not because there’s a quota on how many gay characters there should be but because this actually serves the plot. This manga is really a product of our time, and I feel that this is one of reasons it resonated so much with our generation. I really strikes me as a work of art that has recycled many old ideas to create something relevant for us today. It has become commonplace to say racism or genocide is bad, to a degree that sometimes the understanding of _why_ it is bad, is dulled by repetition. I was thrilled and amazed to see the heated and deep discussions on different boards about Eren’s attack on Liberio and Rumbling, about the power of propaganda, about whether genocide can be justified. It’s incredible seeing people rediscover these problems and engage in these passionate arguments willfully, without being forced by their history of philosophy teacher. Isayama is truly a genius for going from a generic shounen beginning to themes that are universal, and doing in it a new and unique way so that he managed to drag along such an huge audience of young people. Maybe he has not succeeded in everything, but as for me, AOT has left a deep mark, and I’m sincerely convinced that the world has become better a better place thanks to AOT and Isayama. |
| I'm surprised the rating didn't drop too much Well, FMAB fanbase will not have problems when S4 part 2 starts airing |
| Imagine how boring this world would be without Japan - a comment at youtube |
Akilis93 said: Don't you think that killing 80% of humanity and ereasing titans, yet not preventing war is quite great? It tells so much about humanity. They lust for war, their constant hate for each other. Damn me, you don't have to read snk to see it. Even here, in this threat, ppl are fighting for their lives. How can anyone call this ending unsuccessful? It shows what ppl really are. How world works. Constant wars. End one, another starts. Over and over again. Just like Eren said. And he was right. Hell, they even admited he was right. I think that tell a lot about current world. Not just snk world. I totally agree with this, this is where SNK gets realistic, and it's really cool imo. |
TurtleKing3 said: This is 100% facts, couldn't have said it any betterThe ENTIRE time traveling part of the story makes absolutely zero sense. Of course it is fiction, but in no explainable way possible, could have Eren achieved any of this within his original future. Since his father originally wouldn't have kill the Fritz family, and thus got killed by them (They were about to kill him when he cried on his knees, obviously they wouldn't have let him run). Thus the Attack Titan would have never been able to get into Eren's hands in first place. So there would be no woke Eren that could have send memories back to the past. This whole thing is called casual loop and to me this is cheap writing. But all the bandwagoners ofc telling me "Well there is no past and future, no beginning and end" What are you talking about?... Then the decision making of literally everyone was absolutely borderline stupid. Paradis was in the process of being GENOCIDED for like 100 years. Fellow innocent people (including CHILDREN as Krüger said) were executed and turned into monsters in order to attack paradis and eat the people there alive. Not to mention how they put Eldians WORLDWIDE into zones. I mean the guy who let Grishas sister be eaten by dogs was even promoted later in his career. But what does Hanji and the gang decided to do? They go against Eren... (Keep in mind, they had no PLAN B! The entire world was about to unleash their fury on Paradis, no diplomacy was working) Yes Eren's plan was equally cruel, but you had logically no alternative plan. Imagine in WW2. A jew rises up (Eren) and has the ability to KILL all Germans with 1 fingersnap. ... But then fellow jews (who lost family members and friends in the most brutal ways) decide to stop him, without having an alternate plan. This is terrible writing. Out of nowhere everyone can teleport. Hanji and Levi find Pieck and Magath somewhere randomely in the wilderness to propose a plan. Everyone (Jean, Armin, Connie, etc.) gets on board with this dumbass suicidal plan, because Hanji is angrily hitting the table while shouting "NO TO GENOCIDE!" No rules of the show were followed anymore. Throughout S1-S3 even a handful of mindless Titans gave them all trouble. Here they are, facing a DEMI GOD in Eren with like a million Colossal titans INCLUDING ALL SHIFTER TITANS THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY of their dumbass world. But yeah hey, they won, GG EZ. Well. And all in all it turns out to be a corny, cringeworthy love story. Ymir, who got rap*d, her family killed, her tongue cut out, hunted down with arrows, abused as a warmachine... .. fell in love. With who? The person who did all of this to her. "But it's Stockholm Syndrome" Dude. That's not how this syndrome works. This is just way to brutal, it's not 'just' being held hostage or anything similiar. This here is called terrible writing. I could go on for ages.. - Ymir randomely saving Zeke. Never explained. - Historia. 3 1/2 Seasons they were fighting to install her as a queen, then she disappears for the rest of the story. Wtf. - Eren killing his mother, for what? To ensure he is motivated to do what? Right: He doesn't know himself as he revealed to Armin. --- But furthermore, this dumbass scene revealed, that Eren had the ability to control Titans/ Eldians from the past. What the hell. With all this godlike power that he possessed, this is the ending that he achieved. Out of all the possiblites you could do with this ridiculous omnipotent power. He achieves nothing. I wanted this show to succeed, I rooted for Isayama. Been on board since the early manga chapters, before the fking anime was even out. Sad. |
I_Am_Freeballing said: I was there for the leaks and I hated it. I read the Korean scans and I hated it. I read that one fan translation and I hated it. I slept. I woke up. BUT I read the official scans and I actually really liked it. Nothing out of this world like AOT used to be but I liked it. The final chapter recontextualises the story one final time. Think about it. The first time was the basement reveal. Everything we knew flipped on it's head and the story gained new meaning. The 2nd time was Paths chapters. With the introduction of time shenanigans we are once again asked to reevaluate the story from start to finish. The last time was Eren's real POV. What we knew wasn't all there was. I started rereading the manga already and I'm already fascinated how each and every chapter reads differently just knowing the context of 139. If my reading of this isn't true then yes, 139 was the worst chapter of them all and the one who throws away all the themes and careful storycrafting. But I believe Isayama knew what he was doing and we should analyze the themes portrayed in it rather than dismiss it because it was something we didn't want. Chad Eren never existed. EreHisu was just bait, getting mad about a ship is childish. AnR was a great theory, and one I would have liked to have come true BUT in the end it remains just a theory. Titanfolk was a mistake. Go back to 131, a chapter said to be the best one by the fandom because of Eren's badassery. Go back and realise that in that very chapter Eren is portrayed as a broken man, someone unsure of himself and what he is doing. Realise that SNK is a story meant to have a different meaning with each reading. Analysis of chapter 139 after I recontextualise the story: Eren did what he did because of future memories. He was fucked up during the entirety of the period after he kissed Historia's hand. He was confused. He didn't understand what he was doing but he knew he had to do it. Here's the catch: He was also free. It is that clash of his will versus the future actions he knows he will commit that give us a broken Eren as a result. That much is obvious. Eren knew his friends will stop the rumbling but he had to start it for that memory to come true in the first place. BUT Eren also WANTS the rumbling to succeed. He says so to Armin this very chapter and is confirmed in Hisoria's letter. He did BOTH what he wanted and what he knew he had to do to undo the titan curse. The rumbling wasn't useless. It did what it had to do. It killed 80% of the world and gave Paradis time to develop an army now led by Yeagerists and Historia who believe in Eren's ideology. They continue the fight until one side perishes. Armin thinks of the Tybur family in comparison to the Alliance. I wondered what this meant at first but then I realised: Tybur family betrayed Eldia in order to save the world. The alliance betrayed Paradis to save the world. Both the Tyburs and the alliance, while betraying their race, still want to protect Eldia, in addition to the world. This is what I came up with but I would like to see some other interpretations. Armin and Eren saw the world from the books. It was a construct but more importantly a possibility of -what if- the world ever knows peace. A possible future Eren entrusted Armin with. Armin didn't thank Eren for being a mass murderer lol. He thanked him for giving the alliance a chance to build on Eren's error. Armin speech to secretary Muller and starting the path towards a possibility of peace is a parallel to his speech to Kitz when he was convincing him not to shoot a canon at Eren in the Trost arc. Founder Ymir LOVED King Fritz. I see everyone misinterprets this. This IS MEANT to be fucked up. It IS MEANT to be disturbing. Isayama isn't telling us this is a loving relationship. Ymir fell in love with her abuser. There are real world examples of this dynamic. Her feelings for him restrain her as she wants to be free from them but she can't help herself. In comes Mikasa, a girl stuck on a dude, developing feelings similar to that of Ymir's for Fritz. Although Eren wasn't abusive, he treated Mikasa harshly all throughout the manga. Why doesn't she let go of him? We asked this question ourselves while complaining about her lack of development. The parallel with Ymir answers this question. Ymir, the Paths, the titan powers all disappear because Mikasa's action of killing Eren show Ymir what she should have done but couldn't. Ymir lets go of the world she created and curses she cursed others with. Some will call this cringe but it remains a beautiful and tragic theme nonetheless. Eren KNEW Mikasa will kill him for 4 years before it happened. He did the rumbling to allow for such a situation to be able to occur. Why? People misinterpret this and say Eren committed genocide because he was familyzoned or something. This is funny. Eren's feelings for Mikasa remain a separate plot point from the Rumbling. Understand this. Eren was always selfish and bratty and so he was regarding his feelings for Mikasa. Armin calls him pathetic for it, so Isayama definitely knows how he is making our ''Chad'' look. His feelings for her exist separately. He did the rumbling not because Mikasa familyzoned him but because it's specifically Mikasa's feelings that free Ymir and end the titan curse. Eren had to push Mikasa away to end the age of titans. ''I'll kill every last one of those animals in this world'' ALWAYS meant titans. That's why he moved forward. Not because of teenage love problems with Mikasa or being a Chad who fucked Historia. Let go of your head canons and what you think should have been. He spared Bertolt because he had to live, he had to live so Armin could take his power and be the one to lead the alliance and in turn have Mikasa kill Eren. He had his mom killed for the same reason. All of it had to happen for the titan curse to end. When he asked Reiner why his mother had to die during Declaration of War he did so asking why they attacked Shinganshina. He knew then it was his own fault. The reason he told Reiner they are the same isn't because of what you ere made to believe. He said that because he knew he was fucked up and wanted to die just like Reiner then. The rest is self-explanatory. All the human moments at fort Salta and post-timeskip were done perfectly. Also, Eren didn't actually become a bird. It's all symbolism. I will say tho, it was a mistake making Eren too 'badass' and hiding his POV for the entirety of the final arc. Seeing his 'cracks' more would have sold the ending better. I haven't read any of the comments in this thread yet but might do so later. Please do respond to this as I'm interested whether you think my take makes sense or not. I rarely agree with you, but I do think that your take is valid, my understanding is similar to what you have explained. |
| Someone from the alliance needed to die. Jean and Connie should have remained dead. Levi dying at the end would have been a perfect ending for him. Things just went too smoothly for them. |
qguffey said: Yohan_Liebert said: They probably did lose their powers. Ackermans were a biproduct of titan science. That whole "awakening" thing shouldn't exist anymore. They're just normal humans now.Titan shifters are free from 13 year curse and their powers. Does that mean Ackermans also lose their powers? I get the sense that that's why Levi is in a wheelchair now and hasn't healed up like he would have. Yep, I agree with that, my thoughts exactly. |
UkRs said: The worst ending a zombie apocalypse can have is reverting all the zombies back to humans.. which results in unfairness and just BS, because what about all the zombies that got murdered? did they not deserved to be reverted back? . Just like here.. where the titans reverted back to humans.. what about the titans that were killed? what about the titans that ate other humans? . Is Levi the mass murderer who had to murder his own people? knowing that they were humans but did not knew that they will revert back to humans if left alone.. this is lazy writing.. atleast to this part. Yeah, this is a good point. Knowing Levi, I can totally see him torturing himself about the blood on his hands. |
fredjenkinsaot said: My ending Eren had to wipe out everyone outside of paradis because him and Ymir have tried an infinite of times for an infinite amount of years to free eldia, end the cycle of hate and get rid of the power of the Titans. Every time so far it has not worked one time no matter what they have tried, and every time they failed. Everytime Eren’s 13 years are up the cycle resets to try again. The reason there is a time loop is because of Eren’s time manipulation powers, him using the attack Titan and founder to influence Grisha’s path for him to make sure he is born in the first place and for him to have his mom eaten by a Titan to set himself on his mission.(I made the connection that he is actually the one who killed his mom when I read ch 120-122 so that wasn’t a shock and it is actually an amazing plot point). He needs all of that to happen the same so he can acquire his Titan powers and gain the ability of the founder to attempt these world bending feats. He won’t make have Ymir destroy the power of the Titans until the cycle is ended because he believes he needs the Titan powers to carry out his mission. Before the infinite amount of times this has happened due to the loop, it all happened naturally once the very first time, and the first time Eren got to the paths with Zeke and met Ymir and realized she’s been basically trapped there all these years waiting to be saved. She’s been doing all this work because she still has that slave mindset due to the way her mind was developed, and believe she was fulfilling her duties and helping her people. Eren finally liberates her and makes her finally realize actually how detrimental the things she’s doing is and that she can be free. They then start trying to come up with their plan, and an infinite amount of times later it still hasn’t worked. One of these realities is what Mikasa saw in 138 before she kills Eren. Destroying all of humanity was their last option after who knows how many attempts. And this is the final attempt because it’s the attempt that finally works. All of humanity outside the walls gets wiped out and humanity is rebuilt completely from the eldians/subjects of Ymir because it’s the only way the cycle of hate due to the Titans will be gone forever. No other races means no one else to hate the eldians for their past sins. It’s a bleak but necessary ending. Also the intergalactic squid monster which is the source of the Titan power..... the way it gets destroyed I thought of an epic way. Onyakopon sacrifices himself to fly Armin and Reiner(in Titan form wrangling the creature) up as high as possible on the airship so that at the peak Armin can transform into the colossal Titan and use the explosion and momentum and size change to basically launch/throw the creature into outerspace to basically float off out in the galaxy, and this is what allows Ymir to finally end the power of the Titans because all the conflicts have been taken care of and now the source of the Titans is gone. Ymir is finally able to RIP. All the Titans DIE(not nonsensically come back to life and undermine all the emotional deaths). Armin knew what to do because of a time when Eren visited him in the paths to explain everything, and he also did the same with Mikasa. And this time we would ACTUALLY FUCKING SEE THEIR CONVERSATION. He also basically let of a PA announcement to all subjects of Ymir giving them the cliff notes version of what he told them without all the personalized goodbyes so that way all eldians/sieving humans are on the same page and know what happens. And then to explain any final plot holes of like “okay why do all this if you care about your friends and wanna save them? Some of us could’ve died fighting you and some of us have” and Eren reveals to Armin and Mikasa that due to all these infinite times trying to save humanity without going the genocidal route, Eren actually lost faith in humanity due to everything he tried never being able to stop the racism and the natural negative energy from the humans. So due to this, he actually completely agreed with and stood by his decision to wipe out humanity not only to free the eldians and stop the cycle, but because he also thought they deserved it and he wanted to(Kind of a Walt White moment). It would be a cold as fuck moment preserving his character but also letting us know all he’s been through and all he’s tried, and also how tragic his life is because of this burden and responsibility he has always carried. If he didn’t do something, who would? He was able to stop the cycle and get rid of the Titans, but at what cost? And that’s one of the final questions we are left with from the series. It’s a bittersweet ending which would be perfect for the show. He would get closure with his friends, and him and Mikasa share a kiss in the paths without him having to be an incel So yeah that’s basically how I think the plot should’ve ended. There’s still some little stuff in there that would need conclusions I didn’t mention like certain characters especially Zeke and Levi. But yeah I think that ending would’ve been fire. I think the final panel could’ve been the squid monster just floating in space, signifying that it’s defeated but it is still out there. It’s still out there just like hate and negativity will always be out there. I definitely like your take on it, especially Eren getting disappointed in humanity and the hallucigenia flying in space. It's quite fitting to the crazy supernatural AOT atmosphere. I've actually lost count of all the alternative endings I liked. I liked AnR too (that's pure heartbreak, and I love that), and there were some others that I would be glad to see. I think I'll wait for a year than go and binge read AO3 or something. |
Xilver said: I actually thought that was what Mikasa would’ve wanted. If it was Mikasa’s desires, then it is possible and it makes sense that Eren would be differentPsychoEkin said: Someone on reddit explained really well why the ending is great. This is his explanation: I don't know why people are so disappointed with the ending. A lot of this stuff was foreshadowed long ago. The Bird Twist: Remember Falco's memory shard that Eren saw in chapter 130? It was from a bird's view. How else could have Eren seen that? We also had a moment with Armin and a bird when he was talking to Annie on the ship going to Odiha. Isayama has been using birds as symbolism for so long now. Eren's Death: The Attack Titan can peer into the memories of its future successors. Eren only saw his future through Grisha's memories of Eren's future. Eren was never shown to have peered into the memories of the future successor of his Attack Titan! He was the last Attack Titan! Had he died naturally, it would have been passed onto someone else by virtue of their birth. Ergo, the reason Eren was never shown to have witnessed anything from the future is because titanization ended altogether. Destiny: Has anyone watched the Netflix series Dark? Eren may have witnessed the future, but he couldn't change anything about the future. It was set in stone. He tried not making contact with that kid in the Fez but in the end, the outcome was exactly what was already set in stone. The ending is terrible and that guy is an idiot. The problem isn't that Eren turned into a bird(not exactly a correct way to formulate what happened btw). The problem is that he turned into a pathetic Cuckoo. And his character prior does not fit at all with this presentation of him. Isayama himself said in interviews that Eren is the manifestation of "never-changing fighting spirit". And now you suddenly tell me he would abandon everyone and everything if his step sister confessed to him? Whom he fucking ignored for the entirety of the story? What a joke. And run away from his own fight. Say this kind of shit  No one has any fucking problem that Eren died. The problem that he was turned into a complete pathetic loser before he died  And it turned out he didn't have any real determination to begin with, but was controlled by paths. His spirit is completely lost. Humiliated, laughed at. Turned into a fucking joke. You like this garbage? Fine, you can like any garbage you want. But others don't have to eat shit up as well. |
| hahahaha. That's sad but in AOT fiction it's funny as hell. One of my favourite moments. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Keep Moving Backwards... Yes, this is now the best tagline for SnK. |
EmilioRodriguez said: Aleph199X said: explain how did they ruin eren’s character?Worst manga ending in recent history. The way they ruined Eren's character this arc but especially in this chapter is pathetic. So many unanswered questions and so many good character moments up to now completely wasted. Floch really died for this? Sad. Let's see, his entire Tatakae, Tatakae persona was completely reversed this chapter (the whole arc even considering he did nothing but sleep the entire fight) with no real sign prior to this chapter of the edgeren persona being an act. He made a point to put Historia's or her kid's life at risk even though it seems that he had no real attachment to her. Meanwhile that's the same person who literally killed his own mother. If he wanted to die, why didn't he just do a partial rumbling where he would just destroy the world's armies off the bat? What we're left with is a worst of both worlds. People still hate Paradis since Eren killed 80% of the world's population and there is no sign of lasting peace, except this time Paradis is in a worse situation than before since they don't have the titan powers. |
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| Eren went from a calculative, calm guy that wants to achieve his goals with determination to '"I did the rumbling just because I felt like it, i dont even know why" and he just sort of gave up to the fate that he has to die to Mikasa??? What about the tatakae nonsense you were repeating?? (tatakae means fight in american) He says he will keep moving forward until his enemies are destroyed but only kills 80% humanity, alright sure mate. Leaving the remaining humanity in an endless conflict. What's the point of starting the rumbling if you don't finish what you have started? (remember eren you said this shit to your own father) Eren had always ignored and being inert to Mikasa's advance but suddenly he spergs out to confessing that he likes her in the last chapter, alright sure Yam but this is just alright pathetic and destroys his character development (what's up with these Mangaka being totally clueless to human interactions??) Historia is one of the interesting characters and she just doesn't even any relevance in the last arc. What about her saying that she will have a child?? What's the point of the subplot if he never explains it? just to stall time? there are many ways to do it What about Ymir? She shown a little emoticon when Eren hugged her and says she's free. And she just disappears?? sorry for the bad grammar,anyways i just wanted to complain. i dropped this manga but reread it due to the anime airing but it's such a disappointment. thank god I never bought any physical copies to support this hack shame on you yam, i will shit in ur onsen Also Ervin and all the survey corps, you all died a pointless death |
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| Godamn the one-sidedness in MAL forums lmao, at least TikTok and Facebook grasped the situation/last chapter better lol. |
| If you think Eren sacrificed for nothing, you're smoking |
| I'm not gonna say anything in this forum. Thank you. Oh... I just did. |
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