DrGeroCreation said: @EcchiLordMamster That is comics not cartoons. LOL I'm not disturbed about lolis or sexy body parts. I'm just tired of anime mainly only focusing on little girls and teen girls. Superhero cartoons have far more adult female characters I can like than anime. . Well theyre still missing what I find appealing in anime, that hoes beyond the girls Well japan praises youth, teenage girls are attractive and no one wants to be old |
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DrGeroCreation said: @Omkar_Nagwade I've already know the cartoons Japanese fans like already thanks to a thread on Crunchyroll http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/02/19-1/japanese-anime-fans-pick-their-favorite-foreign-animation More Japanese people watch anime than cartoons but not worldwide. Well there isn't any worldwide survey which shows if one is watched more than the other worldwide. Anime is niche and not as popular as cartoons. I think it should stay this way. |
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| @genesic123 LOL no. Cartoons have far more settings hence why as you said the settings always changes. LOL most comedic cartoons are satire not self referencial and contain different genres as I pointed out. The protagonist in ecchi are usually some pussy who is shy towards girls. Female cartoon characters have far more diversity in character design than those ecchi girls. EcchiLordMamster said: 20's isn't old. I like nice adult or mature looking female characters and I'm not into little girl loli characters.Well theyre still missing what I find appealing in anime, that hoes beyond the girls Well japan praises youth, teenage girls are attractive and no one wants to be old It isn't really niche now since there are Hollywood movies based on anime now. |
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| Because they're not good. The fact that Avatar is my second favorite show after Naruto proves I'm not prejudiced. But other than that, there just aren't really any American cartoons that can compare to anime. At least not serious ones. I do watch and enjoy some adult comedy cartoons like Family Guy and South Park but that's really a totally different thing. Watching Ben Ten just isn't entertaining to me. I watched shows like that when I was a kid but once I discovered anime I pretty much stopped. |
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| Batman Brave and the Bold is good. Justice League Gods and Monsters is good. Regular Show is good. Steven Universe is good. Wolverine and the X men is good The Rabbi's cat is good Star Wars Clone Wars is good Martin Mystery is good Young Justice is good. The Painting is good. Tales of the Night is good. Adventure Time is good. American Dad is good. Moonbeam City is good. Duck Dodgers is good Green Lantern TAS is good CW Vixen is good. Samurai Jack is good. @byakugami DC superhero animated movies are far more serious than your favorites Naruto and Bleach. Batman Year 1 for example Young Justice is also better than Naruto, Bleach and Avatar. |
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DrGeroCreation said: 20's isn't old. I like nice adult or mature looking female characters and I'm not into little girl loli characters. well "kawaii" is one of the biggest elements of japanese pop culture and media grown women generally are not adorable, theyre just sexy, which is why so many people like school girls, they are both theres a few 20+ year old anime girls that i love but generally i like them in HS for the cuteness factor and the skirts |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Elena is more kawaii than any loli I have ever seen. She is a teen but she has a more mature look than the no nose, no lips lolis.DrGeroCreation said: 20's isn't old. I like nice adult or mature looking female characters and I'm not into little girl loli characters. well "kawaii" is one of the biggest elements of japanese pop culture and media grown women generally are not adorable, theyre just sexy, which is why so many people like school girls, they are both theres a few 20+ year old anime girls that i love but generally i like them in HS for the cuteness factor and the skirts  I disagree I find my anime waifu (Belldandy) adorable and Mizuho Kazami as well and they are adults. I consider my anime waifu to be cute and not sexy. |
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| @DrGeroCreation you're on an anime forum and you expect anyone else on here to rather jerk off to a disney character or a western cartoon girl than an anime girl? breh plz i was HEAVILY into western cartoon women.. until Pokemon came out... lol... now i don't get turned on by them at all.. the only cartoon women that turn me on now are anime girls or girls drawn in anime style... and i mean actual anime style, not avatar or boondocks i do really respect your hustle as a fan of western cartoon women, but sorry man, but MAL isn't the place, we like our kawaii Japanese cartoon school girls in short skirts with flat chests to physics defying tits you know damn well if an anime girl was in front of you you'd try to bang the shit out of her.. who wouldn't? |
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| @EcchiLordMamster I never said anything about fapping to that character, I just find her to be way cuter than anime lolis. Not everything is about fapping. I'm not expecting anyone to do anything I was just discussing my preferences with you. I know very well that everyone here on Mal prefers anime girls and hates cartoon female characters. There are female anime characters I like but I generally don't fap to anime girls. Whenever I go on rule34 for zero suit samus I actually always get annoyed and turned off when she is drawn in an anime style because it makes her look too cutesy and little girlish. Sharp small eyes and lips to me are more of a turn on than huge eyes and no lips. |
DrGeroCreationMay 9, 2017 10:06 AM
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DrGeroCreation said: I haven't looked into it. Maybe it's pretty good. But superheroes just seem stupid and childish to me.Batman Brave and the Bold is good. Justice League Gods and Monsters is good. Regular Show is good. Steven Universe is good. Wolverine and the X men is good The Rabbi's cat is good Star Wars Clone Wars is good Martin Mystery is good Young Justice is good. The Painting is good. Tales of the Night is good. Adventure Time is good. American Dad is good. Moonbeam City is good. Duck Dodgers is good Green Lantern TAS is good CW Vixen is good. Samurai Jack is good. @byakugami DC superhero animated movies are far more serious than your favorites Naruto and Bleach. Batman Year 1 for example Young Justice is also better than Naruto, Bleach and Avatar. |
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byakugami said: Just watch it with an open mind. There are people who consider Naruto and Bleach stupid and childish yet I doubt their words would stop you from watching and liking them.I haven't looked into it. Maybe it's pretty good. But superheroes just seem stupid and childish to me. |
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DrGeroCreation said: jal90 said: Gintama is not on the same level as Southpark Jal. It would never seriously take on Abe.It seems to me that you either haven't watched Gintama or made this little list on purpose for the sake of the irony xD Gintama is a shonen. It can never take things too far or too bold. If you want satire with a lot of cursing, heavy themes, gore or sexual references (though Gintama, unsurprisingly for an anime, has plenty of the latter), check other demographics. And no, it hasn't specifically referenced Abe from what I recall. Still, close enough. In terms of variety of themes Gintama has parodied, it is certainly not behind South Park. It has mocked other shows, Japanese traditions and values, religion, gender roles, real life celebrities, the medium as a whole (the tropes, the creative process, the working conditions) and the fans. And no, it didn't portray antipiracy as the enemy. It made it more complicated and meta. The second movie starts with a frame by frame parody of a popular antipiracy ad in Japan: the twist, however, is that the "footage" this character saved is the basis for the entire storyline of the movie. |
DrGeroCreation said: @EcchiLordMamster I never said anything about fapping to that character, I just find her to be way cuter than anime lolis. Not everything is about fapping. I'm not expecting anyone to do anything I was just discussing my preferences with you. I know very well that everyone here on Mal prefers anime girls and hates cartoon female characters. There are female anime characters I like but I generally don't fap to anime girls. Whenever I go on rule34 for zero suit samus I actually always get annoyed and turned off when she is drawn in an anime style because it makes her look too cutesy and little girlish. Sharp small eyes and lips to me are more of a turn on than huge eyes and no lips. ok well i mean, as you know im the opposite of you.. anime girls for me or no cartoon girls lol uh.. Zero suit is technically an anime girl.. why wouldn't she be drawn in anime style? shes made by a Japanese person for a japanese game and japanese games are drawn with anime style characterless well uh.. you do you... lol.. the large beatiful eyes, cute noses and lips or no lips gets me everytime, its just too hot... i know its not all about fapping, sure, BUT you know you're truly attracted to a girl when you fap to her, and im always beating my meat to anime girls lol |
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EcchiLordMamster said: She's a videogame character not an anime character . I prefer how she looks in the games with a nose and lips and a more serious look.uh.. Zero suit is technically an anime girl.. why wouldn't she be drawn in anime style? shes made by a Japanese person for a japanese game and japanese games are drawn with anime style characterless Like she is the most appealing like this and not appealing with an anime look like this. |
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idk, I'm watching it right now (shortly before the end of season 1) and it certainly is fun but it's kind of a clusterfuck/DC wank with a million billion characters from the DC verse appearing in every episode and most of them don't get properly fleshed out or explained and unless you are already a DC expert or look up each of them 95% of them will just seem like cardboard villains/heroes. It also kinda suffers from being way too episodic most of the time, no matter how impressive or urgent or large-scale a threat feels it is always resolved by the end of the episode. Avatar and Naruto (minus the fillers) are still way better imo, with more complexity and worldbuilding and amore gripping main plot. YJ is on par in terms of character development for the main cast and stuff, and personally I find it quite entertaining to see a slideshow of basically every DC character ever including 90% I never heard of before, but it is underwhelming in a bunch of very relevant aspects in which at least Naruto and Avatar are vastly superior. Everything outside the main characters just feels rushed and like it's not getting as much screentime as it needs to be relevant/interesting. The influx of large scale threats in basically every episode makes it hard to take serious at times and I wish there was more episodes dedicated to just slice of life stuff or smaller threats so it feels more realistic and less over the top. I'm sure it's a better experience if you are already very, very familiar with the DC verse but I'm somewhat familiar with it and it's still pretty overwhelming and I just blend out all the random villains because I can't keep up with all the names and they disappear at the end of the episode every time anyway. I just don't think a show that so heavily relies on a strong familiarity with the whole DC verse is that good from a neutral perspective. If you're a dedicated DC fanboy it's probably an awesome treat, but there are no barriers that prevent anyone from enjoying stuff like Avatar or Naruto and that alone makes them more worthwile for everyone who isn't a hardcore DC fan already. |
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DrGeroCreation said: She's a videogame character not an anime character . I prefer how she looks in the games with a nose and lips and a more serious look. Like she is the most appealing like this and not appealing with an anime look like this. ok and guess what? when japanese video games get turned into anime, theyre drawn in anime style, as samus would be if metroid were to ever get an anime when you look at fanart of a 3d japanese game the characters are almost always going to be drawn in anime style cause thats how japaense people drawn cartoon characters samus is not immune from this, same goes with princess peach and other nintendo girls |
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| @EcchiLordMamster I've seen a lot of 2d fanart with a non anime look with nose and lips. @Pullman The main characters are Aqualad, Artemis, Kid Flash, Robin, Superboy, Miss M, Speedy and those are the characters that get the main focus in the first season. There isn't a new main character every episode. Everything is connected especially the villains so you have to wait for them to fall into place. Villains aren't random at all, it's all connected. Also most of the main characters are just sidekicks or related to heroes most people know already. Aqualad to Aquaman, Speedy to Green Arrow, Kid Flash to Flash, Robin to Batman. I personally don't think it's anything overwhelming for someone that has limited knowledge of DC comics. Young Justice to me is more complex and features more espionage and better villains than Naruto and Avatar but it takes a while for things to get going. Young Justice isn't set in a large scale fantasy world and doesn't have adventure so it wouldn't focus on worldbuilding as much as those shows. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @EcchiLordMamster I've seen a lot of 2d fanart with a non anime look with nose and lips. but theyre likely not drawn by Japanese people.. and when it comes to 2d official art, shes probably going to look anime, and official art is what matters the most also, 3d ZSS just looks like a 3d anime girl... just like the characters in a game like FF |
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EcchiLordMamster said: 3D anime girls generally don't have lips except for in the final fantasy movie.DrGeroCreation said: @EcchiLordMamster I've seen a lot of 2d fanart with a non anime look with nose and lips. but theyre likely not drawn by Japanese people.. and when it comes to 2d official art, shes probably going to look anime, and official art is what matters the most also, 3d ZSS just looks like a 3d anime girl... just like the characters in a game like FF 3D anime girls generally look like this. Not that different to how they look in 2D in terms of character design. jal90 said: No I'm not talking about having a lot of cursing, gore or sexual themes but like satririzing everything about Japanese society and culture and social issues like South Park does with America. SouthPark has actually done episodes on illegal immigration, sjws, internet trolls, antisemitism, Tourettes, outsourcing, gentrification, the paparazzi, drug abuse, porn addiction etc. I guess as you said the shounen tag might restrict Gintama on what it can cover.Gintama is a shonen. It can never take things too far or too bold. If you want satire with a lot of cursing, heavy themes, gore or sexual references (though Gintama, unsurprisingly for an anime, has plenty of the latter), check other demographics. And no, it hasn't specifically referenced Abe from what I recall. Still, close enough. In terms of variety of themes Gintama has parodied, it is certainly not behind South Park. It has mocked other shows, Japanese traditions and values, religion, gender roles, real life celebrities, the medium as a whole (the tropes, the creative process, the working conditions) and the fans. And no, it didn't portray antipiracy as the enemy. It made it more complicated and meta. The second movie starts with a frame by frame parody of a popular antipiracy ad in Japan: the twist, however, is that the "footage" this character saved is the basis for the entire storyline of the movie. That's interesting but streaming being an actual villain living on the Nielsen ratings planet in Regular Show to me is far more impressive. That's just more of an in universe anti piracy advert. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @EcchiLordMamster I've seen a lot of 2d fanart with a non anime look with nose and lips. @Pullman The main characters are Aqualad, Artemis, Kid Flash, Robin, Superboy, Miss M, Speedy and those are the characters that get the main focus in the first season. There isn't a new main character every episode. Everything is connected especially the villains so you have to wait for them to fall into place. Villains aren't random at all, it's all connected. Also most of the main characters are just sidekicks or related to heroes most people know already. Aqualad to Aquaman, Speedy to Green Arrow, Kid Flash to Flash, Robin to Batman. I personally don't think it's anything to overwhelming. Young Justice to me is more complex and features more espionage and better villains than Naruto and Avatar but it takes a while for things to get going. Young Justice isn't set in a large scale fantasy world and doesn't have adventure so it wouldn't focus on worldbuilding as much as those shows. Idk I think it would be more engaging and more approachable for newbies to the DC verse if they kept the number of villains to a more overseeable number. So far almost all of them have been episodic with a few exceptions. It's not about having too many main characters, but just too many characters overall with most of them just being episodic cannon fodder basically. More slice of life stuff or more continuous plotlines that go beyond one episode would definitely improve the show in my opinion. As it is it's trying to do the character development and the action and the ensemble cast villain main plot all at once and they don't always work well together. Unless something drastically changes in future episodes I just see it as a very different type of show than the 3 you mentioned who all focus on continuous storylines and long arcs and original characters while YJ seems to focus on the development of the main characters by borrowing dozens of random (and they are random, I never even heard of most of them before and most of them never got mentioned again after their respective episodes) villains to throw at them each episode, creating different and often interesting scenarios for the MCs to handle. but there isn't really any kind of story-hook that makes me want to immediately watch the next episode, which is what made it so easy to marathon naruto and avatar. You still get nice character development and stuff on those two but as a side product of a more linear and gripping story. The 'better villains' part is not something I can agree to as of now. The only villain I found somewhat memorable so far is that magician guy with the cat familiar that is recurring and even for him I don't remember the name. There's just way too many for any of them to get a proper focus. I'll take Zuko or Orochimaru over this kind of 'ensemble cast villains' any day of the week. |
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Pullman said: idk, I'm watching it right now (shortly before the end of season 1) and it certainly is fun but it's kind of a clusterfuck/DC wank with a million billion characters from the DC verse appearing in every episode and most of them don't get properly fleshed out or explained and unless you are already a DC expert or look up each of them 95% of them will just seem like cardboard villains/heroes. It also kinda suffers from being way too episodic most of the time, no matter how impressive or urgent or large-scale a threat feels it is always resolved by the end of the episode. Avatar and Naruto (minus the fillers) are still way better imo, with more complexity and worldbuilding and amore gripping main plot. YJ is on par in terms of character development for the main cast and stuff, and personally I find it quite entertaining to see a slideshow of basically every DC character ever including 90% I never heard of before, but it is underwhelming in a bunch of very relevant aspects in which at least Naruto and Avatar are vastly superior. Everything outside the main characters just feels rushed and like it's not getting as much screentime as it needs to be relevant/interesting. The influx of large scale threats in basically every episode makes it hard to take serious at times and I wish there was more episodes dedicated to just slice of life stuff or smaller threats so it feels more realistic and less over the top. I'm sure it's a better experience if you are already very, very familiar with the DC verse but I'm somewhat familiar with it and it's still pretty overwhelming and I just blend out all the random villains because I can't keep up with all the names and they disappear at the end of the episode every time anyway. I just don't think a show that so heavily relies on a strong familiarity with the whole DC verse is that good from a neutral perspective. If you're a dedicated DC fanboy it's probably an awesome treat, but there are no barriers that prevent anyone from enjoying stuff like Avatar or Naruto and that alone makes them more worthwile for everyone who isn't a hardcore DC fan already. What is it with comic book franchises relying on so many characters you need big data to keep track |
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@Pullman You are jumping the gun. As I said everything comes together later on. The villains aren't just random and are important to the overall plot. Avatar also started off pretty episodic as well. The guy you are talking about is Klarion and he is a major player not some random villain. What episode are you on by the way? Slice of life would slow things down imo. |
DrGeroCreationMay 9, 2017 12:06 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: EcchiLordMamster said: 3D anime girls generally don't have lips except for in the final fantasy movie.but theyre likely not drawn by Japanese people.. and when it comes to 2d official art, shes probably going to look anime, and official art is what matters the most also, 3d ZSS just looks like a 3d anime girl... just like the characters in a game like FF 3D anime girls generally look like this. Not that different to how they look in 2D in terms of character design. jal90 said: No I'm not talking about having a lot of cursing, gore or sexual themes but like satririzing everything about Japanese society and culture and social issues like South Park does with America. SouthPark has actually done episodes on illegal immigration, sjws, internet trolls, antisemitism, Tourettes, outsourcing, gentrification, the paparazzi, drug abuse, porn addiction etc. I guess as you said the shounen tag might restrict Gintama on what it can cover.Gintama is a shonen. It can never take things too far or too bold. If you want satire with a lot of cursing, heavy themes, gore or sexual references (though Gintama, unsurprisingly for an anime, has plenty of the latter), check other demographics. And no, it hasn't specifically referenced Abe from what I recall. Still, close enough. In terms of variety of themes Gintama has parodied, it is certainly not behind South Park. It has mocked other shows, Japanese traditions and values, religion, gender roles, real life celebrities, the medium as a whole (the tropes, the creative process, the working conditions) and the fans. And no, it didn't portray antipiracy as the enemy. It made it more complicated and meta. The second movie starts with a frame by frame parody of a popular antipiracy ad in Japan: the twist, however, is that the "footage" this character saved is the basis for the entire storyline of the movie. Internet trolls are parodied in Gintama. It mocks the gaming community a lot as well. Antisemitism is a non issue in Japan, this would be like asking South Park to parody the yamato nadeshiko, something Gintama does regularly. I'm pretty sure outsourcing is parodied and referenced as part of the jokes on the anime industry and production. Gentrification is probably a way too complicated concept for a shonen. I can't recall if they did illegal immigration but they've surely done prejudice and cultural clash quite a few times. SJW (god how I hate this term) stuff is, again, way more prevalent as a concept in the US context than in the Japanese, no use looking for this; but as said Gintama has parodied and reverted traditional gender roles pretty much as a basis of its own world, and it actually took it to the extreme of making an arc about an external organization trying to force gender roles in the regular characters. About Tourette or other syndromes, Gintama has played safe with that field, so in that sense South Park wins I guess. Paparazzi have been parodied (one of the characters is an idol), drug dealing appears as a main theme in literally the first arc, and there are tons of jokes on the sexual obsessions of the characters, including porn addiction, yep. DrGeroCreation said: That's interesting but streaming being an actual villain living on the Nielsen ratings planet in Regular Show to me is far more impressive. That's just more of an in universe anti piracy advert. That sounds really creative and impressive, but heck, referencing piracy as a "bad thing" is very common (I remember Futurama making a quite bold reference with the Robot Devil song) and turning it into an actual enemy is a quite simple and logical line of reasoning, to me it sounds like it's just (brilliantly) following the thread. What Gintama does is taking this common message and twisting it to the point that the camera guy is the actual reason for the following storyline to exist. It turns an antipiracy advertisement into an elaborate meta joke: this guy contains the entire movie we are about to watch in his head. I don't think I have to say which one I see more merit in, at least on paper. |
jal90May 9, 2017 12:22 PM
| It's what happens when people who have no other real meaningful pursuit decide to appear smart by firing at the lowest common denominator. Comparing cartoons to cartoons is as low brow as talking about power levels and "superman vs batman." |
| it's all just their own stupid opinions. Western cartoons are fire and Anime is fire. End of discussion :) |
DrGeroCreation said: 3D anime girls generally don't have lips except for in the final fantasy movie. 3D anime girls generally look like this. Not that different to how they look in 2D in terms of character design. theres still anime styles with lips that would look more moe lol |
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DrGeroCreation said: flannan said: You mean the copy and paste no lips, no nose for female characters look? Well I like a diversity of character designs with characters with different noses, chins etc. Cartoons give me female characters with lips on a far higher level than anime and has far more unique settings. Cartoons give me more wacky, fun stuff that I can watch without having a gazillion and one lolis for otakus in it and set in boring school.Well, we aren't watching Sazae-san or Crayon shin-chan. Or any of the numerous anime that are clearly aimed at kids. We really like anime for a limited subset of it that appeals to us. And western animation is notably weak in that subset. I'm sure you can name a cartoon that appeals to the right audience and is good-looking. Maybe you can even name a dozen. But anime gives us this much every season, giving me the opportunity to choose something that uniquely appeals to me. Western cartoons can't beat that. For example, there is a sci-fi anime that actually cares about relativity (Soukou no Strain). Will western cartoons ever dare to appeal to people who can understand such things? I would rather watch anime set in school and populated by schoolgirls than a cartoon set in the bottom of the sea populated by ugly horrors like Sponge Bob. I'm not much of a fan of wacky stuff in the first place. I have a strong preference to believable escapist worlds and adventures when it comes to entertainment. DrGeroCreation said: Will anime ever parody Abe and satirize every part of Japanese society? Will any anime ever have the balls to do what Southpark does? Will anime ever have illegal streaming as an actual anthropomorphic enemy in an anime since illegal streaming is common thing for anime? Maybe. I will make sure not to watch that anime unless I get some good recommendations. My country has our own problems, and they are not the same as Japanese problems. And frankly, I know everything about these problems already. DrGeroCreation said: Will anime ever use character songs instead of boring exposition to give information about characters? A dialogue or two in the "show, not tell" manner is considered better writing. DrGeroCreation said: That ecchi tag in that anime would distract anyone from caring about relativity. It isn't all that ecchi, at least not to the point of missing the sci-fi parts. |
| As a fan of both western animation and anime, there's a lot of shiet animation and a lot of shiet anime, there's a lot of really good animation and a lot of really good anime. I find western animation more stylistically diverse than anime though. Anime generally follows the pointed head big eyes, little nose and mouth template with different variations. April and the Extraordinary World  Bojack Horseman  Persepolis  The Secret of Kells  Mary and Max  In the end is about finding what's right for you. For example, I grew up with The Simpsons but I prefer Futurama way more even though both series share the same creator. |
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CtrlZED said: As a fan of both western animation and anime, there's a lot of shiet animation and a lot of shiet anime, there's a lot of really good animation and a lot of really good anime. I find western animation more stylistically diverse than anime though. Anime generally follows the pointed head big eyes, little nose and mouth template with different variations. April and the Extraordinary World Bojack Horseman Persepolis The Secret of Kells Mary and Max In the end is about finding what's right for you. For example, I grew up with The Simpsons but I prefer Futurama way more even though both series share the same creator. That's an amazing set of gifs! But also symptomatic of the issue with this comparison. You are grouping together animation from France, US, Australia and Ireland. If we consider all of that as a single label we are making it ridiculously huge. And it's relevant because the premise of Bojack Horseman is very inherently American due to the celebrity culture it revolves around, The secret of Kells is heavily rooted on irish and celtic mythology, and etc. Even if small, each industry has a differential set of influences and cultural background that group their works together in a similar way to how it can happen with anime. Talking about "western animation" at this point is accepting an heterogeneous amount of cultures and industries as part of the same continuum and no wonder anime can't compete with that. |
jal90May 9, 2017 4:34 PM
| Western animation is episodic, and therefore I cannot enjoy it. I only ever watched Western animation when I was a kid, and I grew out of it eventually because it was boring and I felt like it had no point and was just mindless comedy/action. This was before I watched any anime, so it doesn't even have anything to do with anime, really. Western animation just isn't as good, in my opinion. |
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| Western cartoons let me down this day and age, but I will never condescend Spongebob. |
| *enters thread* *sees numerous cartoons vs anime battles* *sees DrGeroCreation* ABANDON THREAD!!!!! |
| Damn when will anime ever have such a funky fresh, groovy song like Gypsy Girrrl Gypsy Girl> All Lynn Minmay's songs EcchiLordMamster said: Anime (whether 2d or3d) generally doesn't have female characters with constant double lips like videogames and western cartoons. Yes in western cartoons female characters can have lips and also a moe look as I've shown you before with Elena unlike in anime where moe = no lips theres still anime styles with lips that would look more moe lol @flannan I was talking about Fish Police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtlvSLdvHd0 when I mentioned an underwater version of New York city not Bikini Bottom from Spongebob. Well that's your preference. I like wacky, surrealist stuff that takes me to another world than boring stuff set in school. Animation allows you greater freedom than live action and wacky, surrealist cartoons take full advantage of that. Interesting enough the few surrealist, wacky anime tv series like Tatami Galaxy, Kuuchuu Buranko, Mind Game tend to get high scores on Mal. .What does your country having it's own problems have to do with an anime parodying Abe? . Probably but character songs are more engaging and more entertaining than a simple spoken line. I'm glad Marcy and IK sang this than just read it out for example . I'll take your word for it but even if it's not all that ecchi, the ecchi will still cause some distraction. @jal90 That's interesting but SouthPark actually parodied fujoshi and yaoi. You are correct considering Japan doesn't really have a lot of Jews but there is some discrimination against the Ainu people and that could be touched on. It would be interesting too if Gintama used satire to show the tension between China and Japan that still exists although not as prevalent because of Japan's imperialist past in the early 20th century. SouthPark used Mr. Chow from City Wok to highlight this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFTYDhbHqk Parodying gender roles isn't anything new, you can find comedy shows that do that all the time. When it comes to the paparazzi episode of SouthPark , it showed how relentless the paparazzi can be and detrimental to a star's life. In the episode the paparazzi harasses Brittany Spears so much that she commits suicide. It's similar to how the paparazzi played a part in princess Diana's death in the 90's. So it seems that Gintama even though it does delve into different issues is not at SouthPark's level. It's not just referencing piracy but showing how internet streaming can negatively affect a show and is a threat to the existence of physical discs and older technology. It's part of Regular Show's Format Wars http://regularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Format_Wars_II . Internet streaming the character is an enemy to the disc masters Mordecai and Rigby because it wants to wipe out all other formats such as DVD, Bluray, VHS etc. You say it's such a simple, logical thing to do yet no anime has ever done it. That' sounds interesting but I prefer Regular Show's approach considering it isn't just about piracy and doesn't feel too preachy by having someone narrate to not pirate. Interesting how Regular Show anthropomorphized a video cassette and had it follow the guys around non stop playing the same song over and over and annoying the guys in order to parody the idea of not being able to get a song out of your head. Has Gintama ever used anthropomorphization to do something like that?    jal90 said: Those do fall under the term western animation http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WesternAnimationYou are grouping together animation from France, US,Australia Ireland Even if you just only take American cartoons or French cartoons they do tend to have greater variety in character designs than typical late night anime. Hence why you have terms like animeesque or animestyle. A lot of anime take a similar approach with it comes to character design while western cartoons use more diversity of character designs. |
DrGeroCreationMay 10, 2017 1:13 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: @flannan I was talking about Fish Police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtlvSLdvHd0 when I mentioned an underwater version of New York city not Bikini Bottom from Spongebob. Oh. I'm not familiar with this cartoon. Doesn't look as ugly as Spongebob. DrGeroCreation said: Well that's your preference. I like wacky, surrealist stuff that takes me to another world than boring stuff set in school. Animation allows you greater freedom than live action and wacky, surrealist cartoons take full advantage of that. Interesting enough the few surrealist, wacky anime tv series like Tatami Galaxy, Kuuchuu Buranko, Mind Game tend to get high scores on Mal. I tend to stay away from the listed anime. I'm no fan of surrealism and other horrors. DrGeroCreation said: .What does your country having it's own problems have to do with an anime parodying Abe? Well, basically whatever such an anime's literary or political value would be, it would be of no interest to me. I don't even know anything about Abe except that he is some Japanese politician. Is he that bad guy who tries to put up censorship in anime, or is it another person? DrGeroCreation said: . Probably but character songs are more engaging and more entertaining than a simple spoken line. I'm glad Marcy and IK sang this than just read it out for example This "Adventure Time" doesn't deliver on lips at all. And the king hogged all the noses to himself. ^_^ I'm no stranger to exposition songs. One of my childhood's cartoons is made entirely of such songs, have some: This version is even subtitled. Is it really a good watch in a foreign language? Here in Russia it is so famous it got at least 3 sequels. (the 3rd and the 4th installments are heavily influenced by Perestroika, and thus more political than the first two) |
TheBrainintheJar said: Pullman said: idk, I'm watching it right now (shortly before the end of season 1) and it certainly is fun but it's kind of a clusterfuck/DC wank with a million billion characters from the DC verse appearing in every episode and most of them don't get properly fleshed out or explained and unless you are already a DC expert or look up each of them 95% of them will just seem like cardboard villains/heroes. It also kinda suffers from being way too episodic most of the time, no matter how impressive or urgent or large-scale a threat feels it is always resolved by the end of the episode. Avatar and Naruto (minus the fillers) are still way better imo, with more complexity and worldbuilding and amore gripping main plot. YJ is on par in terms of character development for the main cast and stuff, and personally I find it quite entertaining to see a slideshow of basically every DC character ever including 90% I never heard of before, but it is underwhelming in a bunch of very relevant aspects in which at least Naruto and Avatar are vastly superior. Everything outside the main characters just feels rushed and like it's not getting as much screentime as it needs to be relevant/interesting. The influx of large scale threats in basically every episode makes it hard to take serious at times and I wish there was more episodes dedicated to just slice of life stuff or smaller threats so it feels more realistic and less over the top. I'm sure it's a better experience if you are already very, very familiar with the DC verse but I'm somewhat familiar with it and it's still pretty overwhelming and I just blend out all the random villains because I can't keep up with all the names and they disappear at the end of the episode every time anyway. I just don't think a show that so heavily relies on a strong familiarity with the whole DC verse is that good from a neutral perspective. If you're a dedicated DC fanboy it's probably an awesome treat, but there are no barriers that prevent anyone from enjoying stuff like Avatar or Naruto and that alone makes them more worthwile for everyone who isn't a hardcore DC fan already. What is it with comic book franchises relying on so many characters you need big data to keep track I think it's because there are only two major superhero franchises: Marvel and DC. Something about comic books not tied to authors, but to greedy corporations. It results in ridiculous crossovers to promote stuff, characters experiencing major changes as time goes on (fans speak of "silver age" and "dark age" of comic books) and other weird stuff. I'm an anime fan and I can't be bothered to know all that, so I will leave it to other people to give you a proper explanation. genesic123 said: And ratings are based on mass appeal.They explain why American Cartoons are the way it is. Anime doesn't entirely work this way.There are verying genres of anime.There are varying niches.American Cartoons have almost no variation by and large. Indeed, the need to appeal to few people so much that they buy DVDs results in very different approach than trying to make a blockbuster that will appeal to everybody at the cost of not really being liked by anybody. |
Gohdhand said: Western animation is episodic, and therefore I cannot enjoy it. I'm astonished people can still say such absurd generalizations with a straight face. "Western animation is episodic!" Jesus, people, just admit that you have no idea about western animation and never bothered to really inform yourselves on the subject because you don't give a shit. There's nothing wrong with just deciding to have that preference because you can't be bothered. That would be much less annoying than all these people straight-facing these generalizations in an attempt to rationalize their decision to never give western animation a fair chance from the start. It's about as bad as normies saying 'Anime = tentacle rape' or 'Anime is always ecchi' because of some youtube clips they saw. |
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But it hasn't parodied the yamato nadeshiko. I don't know where is the counterpoint here nor if my point was clear, but I'll repeat it anyway: accusing a show of not having a satire of something that is a non issue there is dishonest. There's a lot of stuff that Gintama has and South Park will never touch and vice versa, and that's fine. They are from different countries and cultural backgrounds. DrGeroCreation said: You are correct considering Japan doesn't really have a lot of Jews but there is some discrimination against the Ainu people and that could be touched on. It would be interesting too if Gintama used satire to show the tension between China and Japan that still exists although not as prevalent because of Japan's imperialist past in the early 20th century. SouthPark used Mr. Chow from City Wok to highlight this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFTYDhbHqk Gintama has racial tension from its very first episode, it's part of its premise. Samurai suffer from discrimination after the country was taken over by aliens and there is a xenophobic terrorist group trying to destroy the alien government. DrGeroCreation said: Parodying gender roles isn't anything new, you can find comedy shows that do that all the time. Except Gintama does not do it for comedy alone, it's part of its discourse and morals. In the aforementioned arc, the characters fight back because they don't want to be told how they are supposed to behave according to their gender. DrGeroCreation said: When it comes to the paparazzi episode of SouthPark , it showed how relentless the paparazzi can be and detrimental to a star's life. In the episode the paparazzi harasses Brittany Spears so much that she commits suicide. It's similar to how the paparazzi played a part in princess Diana's death in the 90's. So it seems that Gintama even though it does delve into different issues is not at SouthPark's level. Of course, what the hell. Do you expect Gintama to make a character suffer a breakdown and commit suicide? It. Is. A. Shonen. If you want people being harassed in a serious way by fans and getting physically and psychologically damaged, watch Perfect Blue, not something that is published in the WSJ. Anyway, there has been at least an episode I can recall of Otsuu (the idol) receiving death threats from a fan after making an official announcement of her engagement. DrGeroCreation said: It's not just referencing piracy but showing how internet streaming can negatively affect a show and is a threat to the existence of physical discs and older technology. It's part of Regular Show's Format Wars http://regularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Format_Wars_II . Internet streaming the character is an enemy to the disc masters Mordecai and Rigby because it wants to wipe out all other formats such as DVD, Bluray, VHS etc. You say it's such a simple, logical thing to do yet no anime has ever done it. That' sounds interesting but I prefer Regular Show's approach considering it isn't just about piracy and doesn't feel too preachy by having someone narrate to not pirate. You realize that I can say the exact same thing about what Gintama does here, right? Where Regular show avoids preaching, Gintama absurdizes the premise to the point that the moral disappears. Where Regular show uses the piracy theme as a basis to develop something that is just a next logical step that could very easily be handled in an absurd comedy ("Piracy is bad ---> let's make piracy the villain"), Gintama twists it completely and makes "piracy" the key element to counter a post-apocalyptic scenario. DrGeroCreation said: Interesting how Regular Show anthropomorphized a video cassette and had it follow the guys around non stop playing the same song over and over and annoying the guys in order to parody the idea of not being able to get a song out of your head. Has Gintama ever used anthropomorphization to do something like that? You and your obsession with anthropomorphization <3 No, Gintama hasn't done that. It has used anthropomorphization for several other reasons, though. Anyway, what the hell are we discussing here? Have you watched a single episode of this series? Because all I see here at this point is you assuming that this show doesn't have certain specific elements, not sure what you want to prove with this, because with a lot of them you are not right at all but, and more relevant, I don't get the point you try to make about the ones you are right about. Do you expect the series to be on par with Regular show or South Park, or do you expect it to be the exact same thing with the exact same themes and parodies? Because the claims you make are ridiculously specific. No show deserves to satisfy the demands of being an exact clone of another. DrGeroCreation said: jal90 said: Those do fall under the term western animation http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WesternAnimationYou are grouping together animation from France, US,Australia Ireland Even if you just only take American cartoons or French cartoons they do tend to have greater variety in character designs than typical late night anime. Hence why you have terms like animeesque or animestyle. A lot of anime take a similar approach with it comes to character design while western cartoons use more diversity of character designs. I take issue with this because the cultural context and references are not the same. That conditions the narrative, the tropes and even the drawing style at some points: for instance in the US industry 3D graphics have become the trend in its features, something that you do not observe at all in the case of French animation. And do you know what is ridiculous? That we are talking about animated works from Australia (Australia!) and an European country as part of the same continuum. They are in the other side of the world for God's sake. Even Japan is closer geographically to either of them. And yes, this label exists, which is what I'm trying to fight here. It's ridiculously wide. I'm sure you have noticed the differences between French and American comedy, for instance. They are completely different styles and approaches, not comparable in the slightest. Do they really deserve to be kept under the same umbrella term? Precisely because their industries are so diverse and have developed distinctive themes and sociocultural contexts, treating them as the same thing is ridiculous. |
jal90May 10, 2017 3:50 PM
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Pullman said: Gohdhand said: Western animation is episodic, and therefore I cannot enjoy it. I'm astonished people can still say such absurd generalizations with a straight face. "Western animation is episodic!" Jesus, people, just admit that you have no idea about western animation and never bothered to really inform yourselves on the subject because you don't give a shit. There's nothing wrong with just deciding to have that preference because you can't be bothered. That would be much less annoying than all these people straight-facing these generalizations in an attempt to rationalize their decision to never give western animation a fair chance from the start. It's about as bad as normies saying 'Anime = tentacle rape' or 'Anime is always ecchi' because of some youtube clips they saw. So you're saying that western animation isn't episodic in general? Pretty sure that is just incorrect. |
What's the difference? |
| Because they are insecure about their hobby or just fanboying hard. I love anime and I'll gladly say Futurama is one of the best anime. Come at me |
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flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: What is it with comic book franchises relying on so many characters you need big data to keep track I think it's because there are only two major superhero franchises: Marvel and DC. Something about comic books not tied to authors, but to greedy corporations. It results in ridiculous crossovers to promote stuff, characters experiencing major changes as time goes on (fans speak of "silver age" and "dark age" of comic books) and other weird stuff. I'm an anime fan and I can't be bothered to know all that, so I will leave it to other people to give you a proper explanation. genesic123 said: And ratings are based on mass appeal.They explain why American Cartoons are the way it is. Anime doesn't entirely work this way.There are verying genres of anime.There are varying niches.American Cartoons have almost no variation by and large. Indeed, the need to appeal to few people so much that they buy DVDs results in very different approach than trying to make a blockbuster that will appeal to everybody at the cost of not really being liked by anybody. Actually, that explains a lot. This is a franchise-centered hobby which doesn't have any dominating creators - except 2 or 3. So you got a lot of creators pumping these franchises until they blow up. It's interesting to see most acclaimed comics coming from specific authors who boast a whole body of work. |
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| Avatar may seem like an anime series, but I always thought that Archie was more like an anime series, with cute tten girls, and plenty of teen hijinks, and a fantasy element, (ie Sabrina) as well. If they made a cartoon like Archie, that is more stylized like an anime, then maybe anime fans would appreciate it! Instead we get shit like Family Guy,( ugh!), just a poorly animated TV sitcom like Simpsons knockoff! Also, anime and manga creators think of series with unusual concepts, like Library Wars, who would of thought up a cartoon in the US that has armed librarians fighting armed censors! Cartoon producers rarely think up of fun characters like Squid Girl, who is both cute and hilarious. I can't think of any cartoons that have Soda cans turn into cute girls when they are sipped, like Akikan. It's these unique concepts that separate anime from cartoons. So, western entertainment companies have just about relegated cartoons as kids only fare with no desire to make cartoons better. Cartoons and animation just is not as important to these companies as animation is in Japan, which produces the majority of the worlds animation. That may be why anime fans disrespect and dislike most cartoons. |
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