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| Yes, finally the continuation of this epic battle and I wasn't disappointed! Lots of action and great strategies. Damn, that Maus was really something. It really made a dent into their team. It's unbelievable how outnumbered they are. If wonder if Nishizono can really beat her sister like this. Looking forward to the conclusion! |
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| Was that the Panzer III observing them while Oorai were crossing the bridge, the ones who lured them in to the Maus? |
| Oh how I missed this show. Great action packed ep. I see that delay really payed off. It looked fantastic! |
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| The Maus hits the Mallard ! We all saw the scene where the Panzer VIII Maus shot the Renault B1 bis at point-blank range. The Mallard team (commander=Sodoko, driver=Gomoyo, radio=Pazomi) got knocked backwards and their tank ended up upside-down. The reality is a bit different. Type of gun: 12.8 cm Pak 44 Mass of projectile: Maybe 26.4 kg to 28.3 kg Muzzle velocity: 935 m/s Mass of Renault B1 bis: 28000 kg To figure out what happens when the projectile hits the tank, you use momentum conservation. One assumption is that the projectile hits the tank and sticks to it. However, the worst possible case is that the projectile bounces back with the same speed as before. This doubles the momentum that is transferred. So the equation is: 2*(28.3 kg)*(935 m/s) = (28000 kg)*v The answer is: v = 1.9 m/s So, right after it gets hit, Sodoko's tank could be sliding backwards at as much as 1.9 m/s. A reasonable assumption, given such a slow speed, is that it skids backwards and comes to a stop. The coefficient of friction between metal tank tracks on pavement is hard to estimate, but perhaps 0.3 is in the right ballpark. The acceleration is: a = 0.3*9.8 = 2.94 m/s^2 v^2 = 2 * a * d where v = 1.9 m/s The result: d = 0.61 m So, basically, the most violent thing that could possibly happen is that the tank holding the three Discipline Committee girls slides backwards by 0.61 m. There is nowhere near the amount of momentum transfer that would be necessary for their tank to flip over backwards. As I recall, Director Tsutomu Mizushima told people that he was willing to correct any technical mistakes for when the Blu-ray comes out. So I guess we could ask him to cut out that epic scene and replace it with the B1 bis simply sliding backwards by 0.61 m. On the other hand... |
okanaganMar 21, 2013 5:36 AM
| @okanagan: I think it's alright as it is. They should focus on minor errors to fix and not whole scenes. Besides, I think if this is reality, the Char B1 Bis should have been destroyed by now. But this is the GuPverse, the tank is protected by "carbon coating" so that tank crews will be safe when hit. |
zenjamibuMar 21, 2013 6:33 AM
| These girls are strong: I can see the big improvement of the animation quality, however the story become more oblivious of some minor plot hole, perhaps it was caused by some scene that is lost during the editing. For example, the non-existence of rope detaching scene after they crossed the river. Magito said: Was that the Panzer III observing them while Oorai were crossing the bridge, the ones who lured them in to the Maus? No, I think that's the rear guard Panzer that chase the Turtle team into the woods. The one that lured them probably a different panzer. Catastrophic said: i had forgotten how enjoyable this was :3 but seriously, who keeps telling them to pursuit an enemy under clear numeric disadvantage?? :/ But that's the basic of battle strategy when you're outnumbered. Chip the enemy force little by little while maintaining mobility. Even if it's just one tank. Besides, they don't want to lose the strategic advantages of their team high mobility, if someone could pinpoint their moves and destination, the enemy with the higher firepower would simply overwhelm their team. Just like the Maus trap. |
azzuReMar 21, 2013 2:04 PM
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| oldskoolpunk wrote: . . . that scene from Kelly's Heroes a few episodes back, where a Tiger gets caught in a narrow lane, which foreshadows this scene. I can't even think about the Tiger scene in Kelly's Heroes without starting to cry ! If there is anybody who has not seen the excellent Wikipedia article about the Panzer VIII Maus, it is worth a very careful read. However, one thing was never made clear. What would be the tactical situation in which a Maus was intended to be used? For example, was it designed for use in close-quarters fighting in an urban environment ? ? ? |
| YabaBaga wrote: My favorite scene is at 16:50 when the Hetzer is seen sneaking up again, Maho calmly orders someone to deal with it. Maho never even saw the Hetzer. She just heard the sound. Based on that, she knew that it was at her 7-o-clock. She only turned her head slightly to the left before giving the order. That scene is a beautiful illustration of Maho's remarkable skill at Senshado. - - - - - - YabaBaga asked: Isn't the main gun on the Maus the same one as on the Jagdtiger? That is correct. It is the 12.8 cm PaK 44 L/55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_PaK_44 However, Hitler saw the wooden mockup and said that the 128 mm gun was too small, and he wanted them to up-gun it to 150 mm. Based on that, it would be legitimate for Kuromorimine to use the larger gun on their Maus. |
okanaganMar 21, 2013 4:14 PM
oldskoolpunk said: How did the Maus get past the tanks it shot up? The Maus is in a narrow street, and shot up Duck Team. At 21:06, Duck Team's upside down tank is clearly blocking the street. The Maus is too big to pass another tank in that space, let alone one that's upside down in the middle of the street. But at 21:37, the Maus just rolls by the Duck. The oversized Maus should have been trapped. That's a continuity error, and an important one. Especially since that scene from Kelly's Heroes a few episodes back, where a Tiger gets caught in a narrow lane, which foreshadows this scene. The road is not as narrow as it seems. The road is able to occupy two tanks side by side when the Oarai team entered it. Also, The Maus slightly turned to the right when passing the Mallard's Char B1 Bis. |
zenjamibuMar 21, 2013 4:04 PM
| yes,NIshizumi has to think of a way to deal with the Maus...One way is to just run from it,another would be that the tiger p sneaks behind it and shoots it in the back |
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| Simply running away from the Maus sounds like a good idea. The prototype was extremely slow. The engine was not powerful enough, apparently. One way of thinking about the Maus is that it is a very heavily armoured 128 mm stationary gun. So you simply decide to locate it in some place, and the large open region surrounding it is then denied to the enemy. I don't understand why Maho didn't choose to deploy it in this way. So far, the Maus has fired five rounds. It was only designed to carry 32 rounds. The girls won't have to wait long before the Maus is out of ammo. |
okanaganMar 22, 2013 5:46 PM
| Ikuinen wrote: a large open region would mean they have plenty of space to out meneuver it, Right. The Maus would be unable to do anything about tanks who wanted to cross the space around it. However, there would be a 3000-yard radius where enemy tanks would not be able to come to a halt. This would limit their freedom to some degree. I can't see how else to employ the Maus. its gun is extremely slow. Right. Anyways, for one World War II tank to hit another WWII tank in motion was not expected. So I am not sure that rate-of-traverse would be an issue except in close-quarters fights. I guess that the rate-of-fire of the Maus was low. Again, that would not be an issue if its purpose was just to deter stationary targets within its kill circle. They seem to have purposely set up this trap preemtively where our team couldnt escape fast enough before the maus got a few shots in at least. You could be right. If you position the Maus in plain sight, everybody is going to see it. So nobody will approach it. The Maus can't quickly move. Therefore, it is not likely that the Maus is going to be scoring kills. It only denies territory. Like you say, positioning the Maus in the city opens up some possibilities. However, the only great advantage of the Maus is its ability to kill Ooarai's Porsche Tiger. Ooarai's other tanks have thin armor that could be penetrated by most of Kuromorimine's tanks. Perhaps Kuromorimine was particularly scared of the Tiger since it could take out their flag tank with just one shot. the Stug team really should have left the hubris and just run for it. Right. Miho's "retreat" order came just 36 seconds after the very first glimpse of the Maus. Miho did the right thing. However, the Mallard team and the History team did not comply. Hence they were killed. Miho's greatest weakness as a commander is that her troops sometimes don't follow her. That almost lost them the fight against Pravda. Patton said that he wanted his troops to fear him more than they feared the Germans. In the St. Gloriana fight, the Rabbit Team panicked and abandoned their still-functional tank. Miho should have arbitrarily picked one of the six girls, charged her with abandoning her post under fire, and had her shot the same day. That would not have won Miho friends, but it had to be done. Black Forest has already considered the weaknesses of the Maus. Agreed. Maho never does anything stupid. |
okanaganMar 23, 2013 2:34 AM
okanagan said: Shot? Come on, senshado is sports not military, man.Miho should have arbitrarily picked one of the six girls, charged her with abandoning her post under fire, and had her shot the same day. That would not have won Miho friends, but it had to be done. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Symbv wrote: Shot? Come on, senshado is sports not military, man. I agree I was too harsh. All of the six first-year girls on the Rabbit Team should have to wear a sign around their necks for a day as a punishment. |
| Newnar wrote: Did you consider the most probable situation, which is actually the shell completely penetrating the B1 from the front and coming out from the other end? Early in the series, during the fight against St. Gloriana, Miho told Saori that the inside of the tanks was coated with "carbon" so as to protect them. I have always assumed that this unspecified "carbon coating" had the ability to prevent projectiles entering the crew compartment. It would prevent spalling as well. So, based on that, I assumed that the 128-mm projectile had to bounce off the B1 bis. It is horrible to contemplate what would actually happen if a Char B1 bis got hit by one of those 128-mm projectiles at point-blank range. However, as I explained above, the tank would certainly not flip over backwards. |
okanaganMar 23, 2013 5:22 AM
| There is no way a shell will penetrate a tank in GirlPan's world. The setting is such that the crew inside the tank will always be protected against shell hit. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Though,something is on my mind... If they have a Maus,a Jagdtiger,Ferdinads,Tiger II's then why is a Tiger their flag tank? Alright,the Maus is perhaps too slow to be a flag tank but the other tanks are about as fast as a Tiger and yet they have better guns and more armor. |
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bluedragon777 said: Though,something is on my mind... If they have a Maus,a Jagdtiger,Ferdinads,Tiger II's then why is a Tiger their flag tank? Alright,the Maus is perhaps too slow to be a flag tank but the other tanks are about as fast as a Tiger and yet they have better guns and more armor. Well, this is the final round whicj your enemy will probably bring out everything they got. I think Maho feels safer to command the flag tank by herself no mater what model it is. Moreover, with her skill and her team, it not that Ooarai can easily come and destroy her tank. Miho probably think the same so she makes her Panzer 4 the flag tank this time. |
| Still,seems like a bad excuse... |
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| The judges pick the flag tank of each team via lottery, it's in the Senshado rules. |
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| lol, didn't know that... |
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| Just something fun I noticed :D (pics in spoilers because size) So, we have this scene where I laugh at that line of thought... ...followed by a short chase and then, at this exact point... ...I put my hands above my head and yell "Oh mein Gott, Maus!"... ...followed by awkward silence as I realise I just identified the Maus only be seeing a part of the fuel tank and the very rear end, leading to the exact same line of thought Miho just had -.- |
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| I had a feeling they would throw in the legendary Maus, I guess the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte would have been overkill even in this show. Excellent episode though, Miho is a superb tactician, I hope they end up winning. Maho wasn't bad either, reading the map while everyone was firing around her, she clearly doesn't give a rat's ass. 5/5 |
| That episode went by fast. On to the next one. |
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| Damn was not expecting that Maus. Also very clever use of the smokescreen and high ground. |
| Nice use of infiltration tactics from the rear to disrupt enemy positions. Even better was Miho's effecting a breakthrough from enemy encirclement while using that tactic. Black Forest's troubles closely mirror the mechanical unreliability of WWII Germany's tanks at certain times. Especially the early Panthers. Not to mention fuel and ammunition limitations when the tide of war had already turned against them. It's risky as hell, but good commanders never squander their personnel (and equipment). Exceptional teamwork by Oarai for this battle, and a good display of athleticism by Miho. Despite the setbacks, Black Forest still kept an ace up their sleeve - and that's what made them truly formidable. From the moment the enemy Panzer III started retreating I knew it had to be a trap. Boy, what a trap indeed - the enemy super-heavy Maus tank that, if this were a game, would be a good contender for final boss status. Time for the finale. The odds are overwhelmingly stacked against them once again. Will the goddess of victory smile again upon these girls? |
Miho jumped very,very far ! Original webpage where I found this image: http://seventhstyle.com/2013/03/19/girls-und-panzer-break-world-record/ |
okanaganApr 2, 2013 9:51 AM
| Add a grimdark soundtrack when Maus shows up and you got a whole new series. |
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| This episode so touching I almost cry.. Nice episode! Miho leaping almost like flying, lol,, :D But one thing that I feels really lack of common sense: with that much power shooting from MAUS, I surprised the girls inside the tank still okay after getting shot that bad, not to mention from such range.. That power really something, I was like, "Holy shit! WTF was that?!" |
| But seriously,how did she jump that far?She did not even run for the first jump. |
bluedragon777Apr 17, 2013 5:00 PM
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| I just think it's the Nishizumi blood. That she had training in doing those things as part of the Nishizumi family. |
| That ending, DAMN that thing is Over Powered! Well with the next episode being the last one let's see who'll win! |
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| Great episode.Maus is a monster. As always Miho's strategies are good but the other girls are very strong. |
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| My god they have a freaking Maus, a Maus!! Wow I did not expect that, this is getting interesting. I had a feeling the panzer III was baiting them...but to what?...A MAUS!! My World of Tanks fandom just exploded seeing that beast. I really can't get over the fact that they have a maus!! Wow just wow! I don't think fandom is the right word..but I can't think of the word I want to use |
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| "What is that? A wall?" UAhauhuauhahu THAT MAUS appearing was outstanding..! However, with his slow speed, what can he do alone inside a city against faster tanks than him...? =P He after got pwned due to Miho's strategy... it was like a swarm of ants attacking a powerful, big, but slow worm... ^_^ |
TechOtakuSep 2, 2014 6:16 PM
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| 5/5 Episode gorgeous, the tactic is the host and the twists are fabulous, what emerges is a whirlwind of surprises to no end that makes the story engaging. Great audio of this episode and not least are the drawings. Smooth animations, really beautiful this battle. Too bad that the series is so short, with a larger number could give an eye on many details not shown. The characters in this show are great. |
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| This episode was awesome. And the moment when MAUS appeared and fired his shot, it was Badass |
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| Phew, that was pure excitement from start to finish. Piling on tactic after tactic with smoke screens, uphill advantage, and "teasing" has made this final battle worthy of its title thus far. The characters have been a bit stale for me but I did like that river scene and how Miho's decision was supported as the tankwondo style that Oarai believes in. |
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| Man, they keep fucking up the countryside by shooting at it. Clearly, it's not easy being green. Best line of the episode: "Don't get so cocky because you're so large!" |
D-ohnutsJun 12, 2019 7:07 AM
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| That Maus is so badass! It seems to be invulnerable! The Maus had a lot of weaknesses, though, so I'm sure the girls will defeat it. >:) |
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| I wonder if they didn't make a mistake with the number of tanks Maho has at her disposal. 20 is the maximum per the rules 3 where taken out. So they have 17 left. If i did count correctly, we see 14 (not 15 as mentioned in an earlier thread) in that last V-formation. So 3 are somewhere else. The Maus and the Panzer III in the city makes 2, so only 1 left. The scouting tank, assuming it's not the one in the city, is the last one. If i didn't forget one, it does work out. If there are 15 in the V-formation, the scout tank and the one i n the city would have to be same for it to work. And all tanks have to be working, so they already repaired the various tracks. They also can't have another tank hanging around in the back or something like this. It's probably correct, because that would be a major mistake, one that you don't miss that easily when you plan the story, but it's close.. |
| This is a fun battle ^_^ |
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