Valkyrion said: Oh that's a good reply. I know H. Miyazaki makes animated movies rather than anime, compared to movies like Summer Wars to name one. I appreciate the background art and the worlds that he strives to evoke (and is successful in that). I don't know anything about animation actually, but it looks frame-y sometimes compared to.. let's say... KyoAni stuff. I won't talk much about this since I understand nothing really The "problem" I have with those movies is that I don't really enjoy them. I understand they're not bad but the stories they tell and the characters do not appeal much to me and end up being forgettable. I can't immerse myself with h. miyazaki movies as much as I do with other series. I can't immerse myself into them as much as I do with other movies as well. They also don't hold any nostalgic value to me as I started watching them after getting into anime about 1 year and a half ago. Oh well I'd like to hear more opinions from you senpai-s since I've been wondering about this for a while, and thanks for the replies (but I still think they're terribly overrated, sorry!) Well, here's a question- Are you into animation, or JUST anime? Do you like Disney movies on more than just a nostalgia level? Personally, I'll watch anything animated for the most part. Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Justice League, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Young Justice (currently watching), Avatar, Batman Animated, etc. I see every Pixar movie that comes out and I'll see any other animated movie that looks halfway decent. I loved both Kung Fu Panda movies and How to Train Your Dragon was, of course, phenomenal. Wreck it Ralph was fantastic as was Tangled, and so on. But if anime is the only type of animation stuff you watch then yeah, you aren't going to like Miyazaki films because they are much closer to Disney films. There's a childhood charm to them that keeps in tune with kid's cartoons while still appealing to all ages. A lot of people watch anime but don't watch other animated things because they feel like anime is more mature and superior to 'kid's cartoons', which may be your case. And that's fine. But if you're willing to throw yourself back to your days as a kid, or willing to accept that something doesn't need to have blood and boobs to be mature (or doesn't even necessarily need to be mature to be enjoyable), or have giant eyes to be cute, then you'll be able to better appreciate Miyazaki's works as well as other animated works. But everyone has different tastes. =) Maybe you'll grow to appreciate them over time and maybe you won't, but there is a reason they are well-loved. I guess it also comes down to being willing to admit that you like kid's stuff, which, in MY profession is a necessity. |
| Well I kinda enjoy other animated stuff. I don't mind watching a 3D animated movie if I am bored enough and find it on TV or something, it's not something I look forward to though. Fun to watch yes, but I'm not especially fond of them. I don't care if something is mature or not as long as it is entertaining, and it manages to leave an impression, a message, anything. Anime just happens to be more successful at keeping me interested and wanting to know more about it than other media |
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Valkyrion said: Well I kinda enjoy other animated stuff. I don't mind watching a 3D animated movie if I am bored enough and find it on TV or something, it's not something I look forward to though. Fun to watch yes, but I'm not especially fond of them. I don't care if something is mature or not as long as it is entertaining, and it manages to leave an impression, a message, anything. Anime just happens to be more successful at keeping me interested and wanting to know more about it than other media Yeah then Miyazaki movies just aren't for you. They focus more on the feeling they are trying to convey rather than a mystery. They leave messages but it's usually a pretty simple message. A LOT of the time it's "Appreciate nature' because Miyazaki is big on that. But yeah his messages are never big revelations, they're just kinda reminders of things you should already know. That reminds me, I see that you haven't seen Wolf's Rain (unless I missed it on your list). I would consider adding it your plan to watch. I'm not positive if you'd like it or not but you would probably at least enjoy it to some extent. It's a bit depressing though. Also, it needs to be on the enlightenment list. |
Neane1993 said: Wolf's Rain was good, I watched it when it was on Adult Swim. But it's also a pretty flawed title. It's been so long since I saw it. I just remember really liking it. It also was a dark-action shoujo (or at least shoujo-esque), and I love me some of those. Pretty wolf men <3. It had a lot of dark 'romantic' undertones- and I don't just mean romantic in the love sense of the word, but as in, 'romantacized'. |
| Personally, I'm not a great fan of Ghibli movies myself, although there's a couple of them which I completely loved (The cat returns and Porco Rosso). Yes, I think they are great pieces of animation (Ghibli isn't called Japanese Disney for nothing), have really good stories and even better characters - usually not complex, but still really good - and are almost certain to provide entertainment for the whole family. There's also something dreamlike in Ghibli/Miyazaki works which sparks imagination and makes watching them almost like an adventure. For all that I think Ghibli films are great stuff, but they aren't always my cup of tea. Regardless, I think many of them are classics and should be on any "must watch" list of animated movies. |
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Neane1993 said: Wolf's Rain was good, I watched it when it was on Adult Swim. But it's also a pretty flawed title. Agreed. I love Wolf's Rain, but I can admit there are flaws. But that's also a part of it's charm. Amberleh said: Neane1993 said: Wolf's Rain was good, I watched it when it was on Adult Swim. But it's also a pretty flawed title. It's been so long since I saw it. I just remember really liking it. It also was a dark-action shoujo (or at least shoujo-esque), and I love me some of those. Pretty wolf men <3. It had a lot of dark 'romantic' undertones- and I don't just mean romantic in the love sense of the word, but as in, 'romantacized'. I still don't get what you mean by shoujo-esque, but I'll let that be your own opinion. Maybe in some of the character designs and personalities, but the tone of the show, dark and hopeless, along with the themes of man vs nature don't really project 'shoujo'. I second Wolf's Rain for the enlightenment list. |
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Neane1993 said: lordzeru said: I still don't get what you mean by shoujo-esque, but I'll let that be your own opinion. Maybe in some of the character designs and personalities, but the tone of the show, dark and hopeless, along with the themes of man vs nature don't really project 'shoujo'. Not all Shoujo is "cute", there's a good amount of Dark Shoujo out there. (Like Angel Sanctuary, X/1999, After School Nightmare, 7 Seeds, and so on...) It's not that I care if it's a shoujo or not, I just don't see how it is beyond the characters in some aspects. Maybe if you or Amber are interested in giving me some comparisons in how it is, I'd like it if you took it out of thread and give me a PM or whatever so I can better classify this series. |
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| I've been procrastinating over this back-count for a couple of days... OK, I'm on it. |
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| Inferno Cop is missing on that list. Fix it. NOW. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: SIR, I vehemently refuse to do so, SIR!Inferno Cop is missing on that list. Fix it. NOW. As I stated in other posts, I believe that the production value of this (and any other) flash "animations" is far too low to include in the Enlightenment list; furthermore, and even if the previous reason were to be overridden, it's still ongoing and extremely hyped. I will, however, count your submission. Add to list: Paranoia Agent (Mousou Dairinin) 1 Texhnolyze 11 El Cazador de la Bruja 11 Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still 11 Barefoot Gen (Hadashi no Gen) 1 Katanagatari 11 Inferno Cop 11 Uchuu Kyoudai 111 Wandering Child (Hourou Musuko) 111 Anne of Green Gables (Akage No Anne) 1 Kowarekake no Orgel 1 Pale Cocoon 1 Sora no Woto 1 Armored Trooper VOTOMS 11 Mawaru Penguindrum 11 Wolf's Rain 11 Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita 1 Tokyo Godfathers 1 Remove: Gintama 1 Edited to include the post below. |
MaegilFeb 1, 2013 7:03 AM
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Maegil said: SIR, I vehemently refuse to do so, SIR! As I stated in other posts, I believe that the production value of this (and any other) flash "animations" is far too low to include in the Enlightenment list; furthermore, and even if the previous reason were to be overridden, it's still ongoing and extremely hyped. IC is not overhyped, it is underrated and it will continue to be so until it takes the number one spot on MAL. Remove Chobits, not very good if you ask me. I also porpose Jinrui, Tokyo Godfathers and Uchuu Kyoudai for the list. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| I will grudgingly poll IC today. Very grudgingly. Chobits is being removed after four such undisputed requests. Your other submissions are being edited to the list above. |
| My favorite genres: good Quality, better Quality, best Quality, Über-Quality. Scoring criteria: Existence does not precede Essence. Current status: OFFLINE. Even if not really. I have no Facebook, no Tweeter and no latest fashionable social network. Mail me only if you absolutely must, and I still won't promise to answer: the postman might have been shot by an automated sentry, blown up by a mine, eaten by a shark, or something. |
| I second Tokyo Godfathers. More Kon is needed in this club. |
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| I also agree with Tokyo Godfather and Jinrui wa Suitai Shimasta to be added on the list. |
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| I agree with Jinrui and Giant Robo being added. |
| I shall agree with the upstanding individuals that suggested Mawaru Penguindrum and Jinrui. |
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SSC_Exin said: I shall agree with the upstanding individuals that suggested Mawaru Penguindrum and Jinrui. I completely approve of those suggestions as well. Also, thirding Tokyo Godfathers. |
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| Add to list: Paranoia Agent (Mousou Dairinin) 1 Texhnolyze 11 El Cazador de la Bruja 11 Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still 111 Barefoot Gen (Hadashi no Gen) 1 Katanagatari 11 Uchuu Kyoudai 111 Wandering Child (Hourou Musuko) 111 Anne of Green Gables (Akage No Anne) 1 Kowarekake no Orgel 1 Pale Cocoon 1 Sora no Woto 1 Armored Trooper VOTOMS 11 Mawaru Penguindrum 1111 Wolf's Rain 11 Tokyo Godfathers 111 Remove: Gintama 1 With five undisputed recommendations, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is now added to the Enlightenment list. |
| My favorite genres: good Quality, better Quality, best Quality, Über-Quality. Scoring criteria: Existence does not precede Essence. Current status: OFFLINE. Even if not really. I have no Facebook, no Tweeter and no latest fashionable social network. Mail me only if you absolutely must, and I still won't promise to answer: the postman might have been shot by an automated sentry, blown up by a mine, eaten by a shark, or something. |
Maegil said: Add to list: Paranoia Agent (Mousou Dairinin) 1 +1 Texhnolyze 11 +1 El Cazador de la Bruja 11 Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still 111 Barefoot Gen (Hadashi no Gen) 1 Katanagatari 11 Uchuu Kyoudai 111 -2 Wandering Child (Hourou Musuko) 111 Anne of Green Gables (Akage No Anne) 1 Kowarekake no Orgel 1 Pale Cocoon 1 Sora no Woto 1 -1 Armored Trooper VOTOMS 11 Mawaru Penguindrum 1111 Wolf's Rain 11 Tokyo Godfathers 111 Remove: Gintama 1 With five undisputed recommendations, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is now added to the Enlightenment list. |
| I'm sorry, what was that all about? Why the minus? |
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| > Uchuu Kyoudai 111 -2 Voting twice? What's next, shall we climb the twin peaks of the Kilimanjaro? |
| My favorite genres: good Quality, better Quality, best Quality, Über-Quality. Scoring criteria: Existence does not precede Essence. Current status: OFFLINE. Even if not really. I have no Facebook, no Tweeter and no latest fashionable social network. Mail me only if you absolutely must, and I still won't promise to answer: the postman might have been shot by an automated sentry, blown up by a mine, eaten by a shark, or something. |
tsui_mokei said: Maegil said: Add to list: Paranoia Agent (Mousou Dairinin) 1 +1 Texhnolyze 11 +1 El Cazador de la Bruja 11 Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still 111 Barefoot Gen (Hadashi no Gen) 1 Katanagatari 11 Uchuu Kyoudai 111 -2 Wandering Child (Hourou Musuko) 111 Anne of Green Gables (Akage No Anne) 1 Kowarekake no Orgel 1 Pale Cocoon 1 Sora no Woto 1 -1 Armored Trooper VOTOMS 11 Mawaru Penguindrum 1111 Wolf's Rain 11 Tokyo Godfathers 111 Remove: Gintama 1 With five undisputed recommendations, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is now added to the Enlightenment list. Uchuu Kyoudai +2 to that -2. Haha! |
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| Right, then, I'll just ignore the lot of you and go climbing by myself. Cheerio! No, wait... I don't like the snow! Whatever - this is getting too confusing, so I'm not counting these last posts after my back count. Let's start over, shall we? |
| My favorite genres: good Quality, better Quality, best Quality, Über-Quality. Scoring criteria: Existence does not precede Essence. Current status: OFFLINE. Even if not really. I have no Facebook, no Tweeter and no latest fashionable social network. Mail me only if you absolutely must, and I still won't promise to answer: the postman might have been shot by an automated sentry, blown up by a mine, eaten by a shark, or something. |
| Also, didn't we agree not to put it on the list just yet? It's not over, plus it's been renewed for another season, so... |
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| Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) - I want to nominate this for our enlightened list. It was a great anime (as long as Shambala isn't attached to it). I'm throwing in a vote for Katanagatari, Mawaru Penguindrum, and Paranoia Agent. As well as a vote against Death Note. It was an okay anime. If it were shorter, then it might've been better. But it dragged out for too long and lost its luster. |
dietmango said: Also, didn't we agree not to put it on the list just yet? It's not over, plus it's been renewed for another season, so... I too thought we did Ducat_Revel said: Paranoia Agent. +1 Ducat_Revel said: As well as a vote against Death Note. It was an okay anime. If it were shorter, then it might've been better. But it dragged out for too long and lost its luster. I'd even say the anime lost its raison d'être after 25th episode. Well, in any case, it will get removed from the list, if the votes in the Death Note poll stay similar to how they are now. |
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| If we could just add the first 25 episodes of Death Note, I would approve it. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Death Note does seem like it'll get the boot soon. Unfortunate. It did have a lot of potential. |
| Uchuu Kyoudai: you're right, I had forgotten about it and only fast-scanned the topic in search of recs. Death Note: would it be more agreeable if I add an extra option when polling it, to endorse it only up to episode 25? |
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Maegil said: Death Note: would it be more agreeable if I add an extra option when polling it, to endorse it only up to episode 25? So we'll induct only the first 25 episodes of Death Note? If that option is to just endorse Death Note up until that point, then I got no problems with that. But if that option will be used to sway Death Note up for the Enlightenment list, then I don't think I could support that. On a side note, is there an Enlightenment list for manga? |
Ducat_Revel said: On a side note, is there an Enlightenment list for manga? Don't think so, but ehre are some suggestions: PunPun Vagabond Vinland Saga Berserk Solanin Hunter X Hunter Fullmetal Alchemist One Piece (Yes, I am serious about this - at least till the timeskip) Yotsubato! BLAME! Adolf The Walking Man Battle Angel Alita (fuck Last Order) |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=551375 Unfortunately we barely used it. |
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Nidhoeggr said: Ducat_Revel said: On a side note, is there an Enlightenment list for manga? Don't think so, but ehre are some suggestions: PunPun Vagabond Vinland Saga Berserk Solanin Hunter X Hunter Fullmetal Alchemist One Piece (Yes, I am serious about this - at least till the timeskip) Yotsubato! BLAME! Adolf The Walking Man Battle Angel Alita (fuck Last Order) I won't question One Piece even though its not my cup of tea. I dropped it at around 100 chapters so I don't know much about it anymore. I'll throw in Blame, Nausicaa, YKK, and Medaka Box (though this is debatable). Nice call on Punpun though. |
| Oh no, my list is filled with 10's and 9's on those anime listen on the OP. D: |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Nidhoeggr said: Ducat_Revel said: On a side note, is there an Enlightenment list for manga? Don't think so Nidhoeggr, I suggest you make stickies of the following topics: Anime Enlightenment, Manga Enlightenment, Anime Relations, Manga Relations, Character Relations and Test and Judge my Tastes. Optionally, also the Most Cancerous List, Most Cancerous Review and Judge the taste of the user above you topics, but that may be too many. |
| My favorite genres: good Quality, better Quality, best Quality, Über-Quality. Scoring criteria: Existence does not precede Essence. Current status: OFFLINE. Even if not really. I have no Facebook, no Tweeter and no latest fashionable social network. Mail me only if you absolutely must, and I still won't promise to answer: the postman might have been shot by an automated sentry, blown up by a mine, eaten by a shark, or something. |
Maegil said: Nidhoeggr said: Ducat_Revel said: On a side note, is there an Enlightenment list for manga? Don't think so Nidhoeggr, I suggest you make stickies of the following topics: Anime Enlightenment, Manga Enlightenment, Anime Relations, Manga Relations, Character Relations and Test and Judge my Tastes. Optionally, also the Most Cancerous List, Most Cancerous Review and Judge the taste of the user above you topics, but that may be too many. Done. I am unsure about "Test and Judge my Tastes", though. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| I'm indicating Chuu Bra for the Enlightenment list. I should point out that it's NOT a fanservice ecchi anime, but an educational series about female underwear, and one which I believe even Amberleh will approve. |
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| Add: Nana Touch Cross Game One Outs Tetsuwan Birdy Decode:02 ? |
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| After being called up on Chuu Bra, I thought the best way to convey my point (short of threatening you into watching it) is to make a short review. Chuu Bra is a series on lingerie. When girls enter puberty, they have all sorts of questions about their own bodies; some discuss it with their mothers or friends, while others are either too shy, or not at liberty to talk about such "shameful stuff", or unable to get proper information - and this is where this series come in. To put the audience more at ease on the subject, there is a (excessively) large amount of panty shots in the first couple of episodes, but the theme is always focused on the utility and usage of underwear. That the main character is a girl, the villains are a trio of social terrorist girls and a self-righteous old lady, the lack of any incestuous love between the main lead and her brother, all these elements clearly show that this is a serious shoujo. With its wealth of information for which guys have no use at all, anyone watching it solely for cheap panty shots will soon move on to some other more exciting show. What is the proper size of a comfortable bra, how to properly adjust one, when and why to start using one at all, why the panties for a prepubescent girl are cut differently from the ones for a developing girl, these are not things of interest the male audience, but rather are aimed at educating pubescent girls on themes they have difficulty finding answers. |
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Neane1993 said: Zylixae said: Add: Nana I geneally stay away from the romance genre due to lack of realism (yeah right, like they can be realistic...). But this one, hell, it's realistic that I am always wondering why can't most romance anime be like that... ...which is exactly why I didn't like it all that much. That aside I agree that it's very well done and it definitely is worth watching (and worth of the enlightment list). |
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| I really don't like where the Death Note poll is going. What will happen if its second option does turn out to be the victor? |
Ducat_Revel said: I really don't like where the Death Note poll is going. What will happen if its second option does turn out to be the victor? I'm not sure. However, if option 5 says to add it to both lists for being initially excellent, then later awful. Option 2 says enlightening, then unremarkable, considering there's no "unremarkable" list, I guess it would stay on the enlightenment list. |
MetaKlonoa said: Ducat_Revel said: I really don't like where the Death Note poll is going. What will happen if its second option does turn out to be the victor? I'm not sure. However, if option 5 says to add it to both lists for being initially excellent, then later awful. Option 2 says enlightening, then unremarkable, considering there's no "unremarkable" list, I guess it would stay on the enlightenment list. That would mean we put only parts of a show in our list instead of the full thing. That's cheating. That's emitting what we didn't like about the show. It's like if we put Durarara in our list with the condition that it should only be watched until episode 12. If it were a minor flaw, then maybe we could let it slide. But we're pardoning the entire later half as well as the finale. Someone please see the point I'm trying to make here. |
Ducat_Revel said: MetaKlonoa said: Ducat_Revel said: I really don't like where the Death Note poll is going. What will happen if its second option does turn out to be the victor? I'm not sure. However, if option 5 says to add it to both lists for being initially excellent, then later awful. Option 2 says enlightening, then unremarkable, considering there's no "unremarkable" list, I guess it would stay on the enlightenment list. That would mean we put only parts of a show in our list instead of the full thing. That's cheating. That's emitting what we didn't like about the show. It's like if we put Durarara in our list with the condition that it should only be watched until episode 12. If it were a minor flaw, then maybe we could let it slide. But we're pardoning the entire later half as well as the finale. Someone please see the point I'm trying to make here. That was just the conclusion I came to from the suggestion that it could be on both lists. Really it seems like a pass, since all the other options pretty much exhaust the possibilities of what could happen to it (though that doesn't solve anything). |
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