Takopii no Genzai Episode 5 Discussion

all time great plot twist ngl this shit is peak

Now I am confused who's main villain here
Marina, Shizuka or Their father who married three women also destroy their children's lives

@RoyalDemon05 there isn't supposed to be a main villain.

@BEaSTPadwal15

Back then, things were less complicated! It was just about taking a picture and going back in time. But in this episode, they went forward in time, then back again, then it turned out they jumped to an alternate timeline, and so on… too many things!

Let’s assume Azuma, Shizuka, and Marin all grew up… but in the first episode, it was shown that Shizuka committed suicide. So how did she grow up? If we assume the first episode is the foundation of the story, then how is this timeline possible? But if the real base is when Takopi met Marin as an adult, then does that mean young Marin still used to bully Shizuka or not? And when she saw Shizuka after growing up, why didn’t she keep bullying her? Why did she let Azuma go to her? Why is adult Marin kind and gentle while the younger version was a bullying monster?

Maybe there’s some mystery, or maybe I just didn’t understand the story at all. Or maybe the final episode will clarify things… I don’t know yet.

As for the dog, here’s my take: Shizuka is attached to the dog and nothing else! She didn’t care about Azuma, didn’t care about Takopi! She only cared about the dog—to the point that she decided to hurt Takopi because of it, even though he didn’t do anything.

As for her father, she didn’t seem to care about him at all!

Anyway, if you have any clarifications—or if anyone in the comments can explain it—I’d really appreciate it.

Hope you have a wonderful day!

@PumpkinDoge well someone has to take responsibility of these children

@RoyalDemon05 You said it man. Who's supposed to be responsible for these children? Parents! They're the biggest villains of this show.

No offense, but for a show trying to be extremely deep and profound, it's hard for me on a personal level to take anything seriously especially with the continuation of some of those uncanny comedic tone shifts.

I think you're being harsh on Shizuka here. Sure planning to kill Takopi and her siblings is messed up, but remember that this is after everyone in her life has betrayed her, she lost her dog (which she tried committing suicide for in both timelines) and now she assumes Tako isnt helping her either. Basically she's gone completely mind broken and insane atp. So she crashed out. Even in the OG timeline, she didn't really do anything to hurt Marina, just stole Azuma from her (which the blame lies with him tbh)

Marina bullied Shizuka to suicide in both timelines, but the OG attempt failed because Shizuka didn't use Taco's rope. (Ironically that means he did succeed his original goal the first time lol). I empathize with her as well because she was driven to that by her mom.

It's just a messed up situation either way, but idk how this is gonna end. I hope a happy ending happens somehow...

@BEaSTPadwal15

Back then, things were less complicated! It was just about taking a picture and going back in time. But in this episode, they went forward in time, then back again, then it turned out they jumped to an alternate timeline, and so on… too many things!

Let’s assume Azuma, Shizuka, and Marin all grew up… but in the first episode, it was shown that Shizuka committed suicide. So how did she grow up? If we assume the first episode is the foundation of the story, then how is this timeline possible? But if the real base is when Takopi met Marin as an adult, then does that mean young Marin still used to bully Shizuka or not? And when she saw Shizuka after growing up, why didn’t she keep bullying her? Why did she let Azuma go to her? Why is adult Marin kind and gentle while the younger version was a bullying monster?

Maybe there’s some mystery, or maybe I just didn’t understand the story at all. Or maybe the final episode will clarify things… I don’t know yet.

As for the dog, here’s my take: Shizuka is attached to the dog and nothing else! She didn’t care about Azuma, didn’t care about Takopi! She only cared about the dog—to the point that she decided to hurt Takopi because of it, even though he didn’t do anything.

As for her father, she didn’t seem to care about him at all!

Anyway, if you have any clarifications—or if anyone in the comments can explain it—I’d really appreciate it.

Hope you have a wonderful day!

Now I am confused who's main villain here
Marina, Shizuka or Their father who married three women also destroy their children's lives

i totally forgot that azuma scene really exist in the manga lol
He dripped with star in his eye like the freaking edgelord hoshino aquamarine were absolutely hard asf

i really almost hear mephisto intro playing on that last scene lmao

So the original timeline was when Shizuka's suicide attempt failed and Tapoki returned to his home planet to return in time to help out Marina.

Then he forgot all that and helped Shizuka kill Marina (basically what happened the first 4 episodes). Then this episode shizuka killed takopi ending this second timeline. And why did Takopi "respawn" now at the end with azuma there? Or am I not supposed to get that yet?

@BEaSTPadwal15 I supported Marina's deatj when that happened so I will do same here. Killing Takopi who stick by you all time is same level evil.
Also I do think she knowingly stole Azuma and using him just like she did last episode. Main fault is for Azuma but he is also broken as he only crushes after Shizuka because he sees his mother in her.

In the end both of them did bad things which was they forced into because of shitty parents. No right or wrong here.

I finally felt bad for Marina which I honestly thought I will never do.

@BEaSTPadwal15

It looks like you really loved the episode—I can see how engaged you are in this post!

Haha! Honestly, your explanation was amazing and helped me understand the anime better and enjoy the experience even more. A simple “thank you” isn’t enough to express my gratitude!

Let’s wait and see the final episode! With all this enthusiasm, you have to write a review of the anime 😉 I’ll be excited to read it!

Thanks for your time, and I hope that smile never leaves your face!

@WaterMage Well Marina did bully a kid to suicide. She was broken as hell so I understand, but the things she did to Shizuka were still far worse than what Shizuka did to her. As for killing Takopi, come on, she's completely gone insane atp. Hatred has consumed her after the years of bullying and neglect. At this point she feels Taco is betraying her like her parents. Her crash out is understandable

I did feel bad for Marina as well, but even in the OG timeline, she did still bully Shizuka to suicide so it's messed up as hell. But yes, the main villain is bad parenting (which is always the case).

But I can't wait for next week. I have a feeling the ending will be amazing.

Also W Ao PFP

@Adizcool

My friend, thank you isn’t enough to express how grateful I feel. Maybe this isn’t complicated for you, but honestly, I struggle to connect events quickly! The key detail I was missing was that Shizuka *failed* to commit suicide. I don’t know when that happened, but that alone makes me wonder—if she lived all that time, that means she came to terms with losing her dog, the same dog she was ready to hit Takopi over, and even left Arima in the previous episode. (By the way, why do I keep calling him Azuma? I don’t know!)

Anyway, now I understand the anime better—and it’s all thanks to you.

Truly, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I hope you have a wonderful day and that a smile never leaves your face!

This episode was full of plot twists, I really couldn't predict it. It's been a long time since I've watched an anime like this since Stein;Gate. I can't wait to see the next one.

damn, shizuka is really a sociopath

@RoyalDemon05 The villain is bad parenting. All the kids are innocent to some extent.

So the original timeline was when Shizuka's suicide attempt failed and Tapoki returned to his home planet to return in time to help out Marina.

Then he forgot all that and helped Shizuka kill Marina (basically what happened the first 4 episodes). Then this episode shizuka killed takopi ending this second timeline. And why did Takopi "respawn" now at the end with azuma there? Or am I not supposed to get that yet?

@AboAhmed130 No issues man, this is what we have these forums for. You might have missed the Shizuka failing her suicide part in this episode because some side characters were talking about it when Marina and Azuma were walking together. As for why she failed, the side characters mentioned that the rope she used was not strong enough. It broke, Marina stopped her bullying after that and she moved away till she came back for high school. That happened because Takopi was not originally there with her.

In the first episode, so after Takopi went back in time, instead of a normal rope Shizuka uses Takopi's friendship ribbon which extends till infinity and since that does not break, she manages to kill herself in the first episode. So, in a fucked up way, Takopi is the reason Shizuka died in the first episode and he actually managed to complete his original goal of killing her without knowing!

This episode shows everything I really hate about this series. It uses cheap emotional tricks, shock value, and over the top trauma to pretend it’s deep and meaningful. The animation and direction are great, and you can see how a normally calm, subtle director had to go more obvious here. It still works in some scenes, using contrast well like he’s done before with directors like Toshimasa Ishii. But since this is Takopii, it also has to include disturbing, uncomfortable parts. If Mori had directed the whole thing, maybe he would’ve toned that down, but with what he was given, I think he did the best he could without making it too gross.

As for the twist with time travel, alternate timelines, and Takopi forgetting his original mission (“original sin,” nice title drop I guess), t’s all just dumb. Marina’s mom is mad over something ridiculous. Shizuka is now somehow the real villain for killing a boy who liked her. Takopi’s home world and logic make no sense. And Takopi himself is still super annoying and totally out of place in tone. It’s all just so stupid. Like the abused kids absorbing the trauma around them, Takopi’s return to the “happy” world just feels even darker....

... all because now he’s carrying all that pain and still no one’s talking honestly about anything.

Oh my God, just when I thought last week was the best directed episode of the year, they come back with something even better. Masterclass. Artistry of the highest level and what a fucking twist, hats off to the author this is how you tell a story. Type of shit Game of Thrones used to do consistently. I stand by my support of Shizuka, though, especially after that first half, but I do concede Marina is also a victim and they both had the misfortune of being born to the worst parents.

The opening of the episode is so cute with Takopi and Shizuka exploring Tokyo that you’d never guess she’s fleeing a murder charge lmao. People will really watch Shizuka go to her dad’s place and see him deny his OWN DAUGHTER in front of his other kids and try to tell me Shizuka’s crash out isn’t valid lmao. Her own fucking father deadass didn’t even let his kid in the apartment and wouldn’t even introduce her to her sisters. Most likely, she’s the result of an extramarital affair and he probably paid off Shizuka’s mom to keep quiet about it/take care of the kid, which she likely spends on herself. Chappy was likely never there either.

You have a girl in Shizuka who her own parents don’t want, she gets bullied nonstop, lives in filth, teachers don’t gaf about her, of course she’s gonna start killing people including takopi when he tries to leave her. Like people only have so far they can be pushed before they snap. Society failed her. It’s not even one of those situations where you could be like “well she could want better for herself” because she’s literally only known abuse and suffering, she doesn’t even know what goals to set to get out of her predicament.

Ok, so from what I’m gathering, this high school marina timeline is the OG timeline and the first 4 episodes were the result of takopi going back to kill Shizuka but having lost his memory. He realized Shizuka wasn’t really evil and she herself was being abused and that marina was genuinely cruel to her, sided with Shizuka and we know the rest. Seeing marina’s story was incredibly sad, but it didn’t really tell me anything new. We already knew her mother needed to die and thank God she’s gone. Idc what issues she had, she needed to die and my only regret is marina didn’t too quickly

The direction in that scene again.. just awe inspiring man I can’t praise this studio enough.. the fact Azuma is STILL a simp for Shizuka in this timeline tho is crazy lmao. I just knew some shit was going to go down when he left Marina for Shizuka as soon as he saw her like wtf?? What sort of magic spell does she have on him.

So Takopi’s original sin was going against God and going back into the past. What should he have done then? Did he not have the camera to rewind to an earlier checkpoint before Marina killed her mom or should he have just let his friend kill herself? I really don’t see what he did as bad even though it ended up being worse.

Can’t wait to see how this ends next week man I need an hour finale.