AI no Idenshi Episode 1 Discussion

Jul 11, 2023 1:02 AM

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The short timeframe made it a bit difficult to empathize to. Maybe if a few months had passed it might have felt more profound
Execution is average at best

Jul 12, 2023 11:34 PM

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me costo entender un poco la diferencia entre las personas ia y el implante que se puso el niño, pero me gusto así que seguiré viéndolo

Jul 13, 2023 12:52 AM

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I really like it! I think it has potential. I even cried a little already! But it really does just feel like futuristic Black Jack, still I think it'll still be a good short series- has a classy feel with the episodic nature and character design. A niche we don't see often so it's pretty cool.

some of the world building was a bit on the nose but I think that's fine, it wasn't overly done- as long as they give us more quiet moments to comprehend all that, which they did.

No watch list sig cuz "You watch anime in 3 days or 3 months! Such is the proper way!"

Jul 13, 2023 2:28 AM

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Magicmist

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Being able to copy someone and force them to do crimes all across the world against their will is indeed horrifying to think about. Especially a loved one!

Jul 13, 2023 2:41 AM

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Well, this was not quite what I expected from the description, but that's not really a bad thing. It's still good, just a different kind of good.

Too early for WEGs

Jul 13, 2023 8:03 AM

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quite surprising how madhouse picked up such an unknown manga, let's hope the animation quality gets better tho. feels like this is going to be an episodic anime as the preview suggests that

Jul 14, 2023 10:33 AM

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Let's go, this is the kind of thing I want more from anime. A dark dystopian future, they are asking the right questions and worrying about the right things, things we should be careful about. Absolute masterclass of the first episode, fuck with my mind more, give me some more dilemmas, show me the dark side of technology and advancement, show me more dystopian elements. Why the fuck do we need to watch porn, this thing is filled with enough excitement and thrill to give me an orgasm.

No complaints about the animation and the character design is good.
Op was fucking psyche. 10/10, I hope this becomes an underdog of this season. We need more shows like steins gate and this.

Jul 14, 2023 1:40 PM

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A setup somewhat reminiscent of Astro Boy. So the reason for the anti-copying law was due to multiple groups using that one crying humanoid to gain sympathy for themselves?
As for the other reason Dr. Sudou keeps on reminding the couple about the dangers of copying; apparently, his mother was copied and it's heavily implied she's in jail because her copy framed her?

Novels I have read/am reading pending approval: since November 10 2022

Jul 14, 2023 4:13 PM

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[p]This anime intrigued me,i want to know what happens next.Anyway The technical side isn't that good.[/p]

Jul 14, 2023 11:35 PM

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Wow, it amazes me sometimes with the amount of anime I've watched since several years back when I started watching, and the amount of time I regularly spend on a daily/weekly/monthly basis watching, reading the forum here, reading stuff pertaining to it on other websites, just thinking about it, etc., that it's still the case that I don't discover even the existence of some series like these until after they've already started airing. As in, miss the initial news about their announcement, have no knowledge of their source material's existence if applicable (which it is in this case, since it has a source), miss all the subsequent news updates about its production and projected release date and schedule, and even feel like I must have checked and perused through the summer 2023 airing seasonals chart on MAL about five times at different intervals and apparently still glanced over it and it somehow eluded me. Didn't hear about it until it was mentioned in a thread topic on the forum yesterday.

But man alive, all that being said, this is the exact type of series which is right up my alley. It reminds me of a number of other Sci-Fi series which dealt with this subject, but especially Eve no Jikan and Kaiba, both 15 years its senpai from 2008 - visually they are radically different series with one having a more "normal" down to Earth clean and sleek, conventional-esque art style based on realism and the other an experimental one based on old school anime designs, but more important than the visual factor is that they are both firmly rooted in transhumanism and transhumanist questions about existence, consciousness, and the nature of being, as is this.

I also truthfully couldn't disagree more with those heaping criticism upon the art style or animation and visual presentation of this series, saying that it looks more in line with an older style series, perhaps more in line with the 2000s than 2023. I actually agree that it does look and even feel in the writing and atmosphere, scene flow, etc. more akin to something you'd be more likely to see in the 2000s or so than nowadays, but where we massively disagree is in that being a negative thing, for those who stated or implied this. To me it's a tremendous positive and actually a breath of at once familiar and yet fresh air since the look and feel of those series tend to mentally grab my attention and resonate with me emotionally far better than a good deal of far newer stuff for whatever reason.

Lastly, I've only seen the first episode at the time of writing this so I don't yet know for a guaranteed fact that I'll continue watching this as I usually give a new series two or three episodes before committing wholesale, but the other lovely bonus which I believe I saw only one other user point out is that it's nice to have the type of series which it seems like there's been a real scarcity of in the past 10+ years. Which type do I mean? Anything transhumanist cyberpunk is gold, but really even if it had nothing to do with brains, digitization of consciousness, and androids (or "Humanoids" here), I just mean any kind of serious and yet strangely calm and quiet mellow Sci-Fi would do. There is a beautiful contrast between the intensity and really, existential nature of the subject matter, with the rather calm procedural and kind of laid back, subdued presentation of it. That's judging and assuming a lot based on one episode, but atmospherically alone, nevermind premise + atmosphere, it palpably feels like a rare unicorn in the current climate.

WatchTillTandavaJul 14, 2023 11:39 PM

Jul 16, 2023 10:02 PM

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I detected the voice of Robin-schwann (One Piece) in that Humanoid mom. What a perfect choice of voice actress if this is true lol. Because Robin-san "wants to live".

Jul 16, 2023 10:13 PM

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Kewpr said:

You're not just going to tell her that "she" actually died, and that she's a backup from several weeks ago, the backup believes they are the "original".

Also, it's the dead mom you should feel bad for, not necessarily the family, the husband still doesn't understand what happened, but the girl knows.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 16, 2023 10:20 PM

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traed said:

LostSpectre said:

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traed said:
I like the premise but I will have to see where this goes. I don't feel like there was really a proper reason Hikaru should have put doubt in the mind of that daughter that her mom would even be her mom at all. Yes it's a philosophical thing but really she's still like 99.999% her mom still in one way you look at it and 100% another way you look at it as her being her mom just from a different time. You can sort of think of it like time travel. If someone's mother is sent a week into the future does that not make them their mother? Yes, he has his personal reasons for his view but he didn't have to force that on someone else who would only suffer from it. I of course also understand it is there to be impactful in that even though she was backed up and restored she still died and who died wasnt who was brought back but a different earlier version of her.

kuroneko99 said:

As for this episode, the idea is similar to thought experiment "swamp man".

Sounds like a philisophical zombie. Seems more like the teletransportation paradox.

It isn't her mom though, it's basically an exact copy of her mom, which could be identical in every way, but it still isn't "her" the mother she knew died after being corrupted by the virus. The point isn't that the copy is a "fake" but that the mother she knew (that experienced life after the back-up) has ceased to exist.

That assumes an essence and one that can not be held in multiple bodies to begin with though. Her brain is a computer, couldn't her memories already been defragged over and over? Likewise human memory is imperfect always changing or being lost. If her memories were defragged it's not particularly different from being restored from backup because over time every memory will have been copied and the old memory location deleted and you have a Ship of Theseus type situation.

Right. I'm just saying that if you could make an identical clone of yourself, it would be "you", but it can't be you, because you could (likely) kill that clone and suffer no (physical) harm to yourself. So, my viewpoint is that you are the only you at this present moment in time, perhaps it would be wrong to call this "consciousness" itself, maybe that's a term more apt to an immutable state of being of your person, as a continued observer of the universe, so long as you are alive. However, I feel as if there should be some sort of distinction between an overall consciousness of the person, and the "consciousness" of your current self, how can I be "me" as I currently perceive myself to be if I were to lose the very memories that allow me to have such a perception of my present existence? To be clear, by that logic I'm also not the same "me" from ten years ago, I can't be, there's too many gaps between then and now. So, I would definitely call it "dying" in the anime if the doctor had pressed the button, because her world would have likely faded to black, and she can't be the same her that opens her eyes after the back-up because she has no frame of reference for those experiences, it's like anything that occurred after the backup never existed at all. So, maybe it's just semantics what you want to call that, but I think it would be a tangible concept nonetheless.

Yeah, basically what I was saying is something of such uncertain complex philosophical nature isn't really a good grounds for Hikaru's actions. He made it sound like it's an absolute rather than uncertainty. Yes I'd also call it dying in the sense the one who was a week (plus whatever time it took before her total failure) additional experience died but in a way the older previous self also lived. So you could take it as bittersweet.

Yes, your body actually replaces every single cell i think it was like every 8 years is how long it takes so not only is your state of mind different but you have a completely different body in one way.

Yeah, I guess he's just not the type of guy to sugarcoat the reality of the situation to a child. I assume it likely has something to do with whatever happened when he was a child, and that got his mother sent to prison. Of course, it doesn't seem like he believes that is his actual mother, so maybe that's a copy of her. There's definitely something going on there, but I'm not sure what it is. I do agree that it's bittersweet, because the mother came back to life, it just wasn't the "original" (if she was the original to begin with) mother, which is why there was the difference in her not putting cream in the eggs, because whatever gave rise to that insight never occurred. I am aware of that as well when it comes to cells, but certain cells and parts don't ever change as well, but more so than that, I don't think our "body" necessarily gives us consciousness, other than to say it is only because of the body that we are alive. So, if we could map everything and put it into a machine, I wouldn't say that this isn't consciousness even if they lacked an organic body. Alright, I'm just rambling now, but yeah.

His mother is a human but who showed up narrating things early on was the humanoid. We only saw the mother in the flashback of what occurred in the past. That woman in the prison is a copy of his mother, the first "humanoid" (you can tell from the goat llke pupils) and it's implied his blood mother has gone missing which the humanoid copy of his mother brought up about him still looking for her. The humanoid was thrown in prison for there being backups of her but it wasnt elaborated on.

I don't think consciousness for sure arises with the body either. I see consciousness as a natural state that is directly tied in with matter somehow in a way it's all over the place in one form or another. Even a rock has consciousness of sorts or at least potential for it.

Actually, his mother was a humanoid to begin with. I was looking at that episode again the other day, and remembered this comment.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 16, 2023 11:01 PM

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LostSpectre said:

traed said:

LostSpectre said:

traed said:

LostSpectre said:

traed said:

LostSpectre said:

traed said:
I like the premise but I will have to see where this goes. I don't feel like there was really a proper reason Hikaru should have put doubt in the mind of that daughter that her mom would even be her mom at all. Yes it's a philosophical thing but really she's still like 99.999% her mom still in one way you look at it and 100% another way you look at it as her being her mom just from a different time. You can sort of think of it like time travel. If someone's mother is sent a week into the future does that not make them their mother? Yes, he has his personal reasons for his view but he didn't have to force that on someone else who would only suffer from it. I of course also understand it is there to be impactful in that even though she was backed up and restored she still died and who died wasnt who was brought back but a different earlier version of her.

kuroneko99 said:

As for this episode, the idea is similar to thought experiment "swamp man".

Sounds like a philisophical zombie. Seems more like the teletransportation paradox.

It isn't her mom though, it's basically an exact copy of her mom, which could be identical in every way, but it still isn't "her" the mother she knew died after being corrupted by the virus. The point isn't that the copy is a "fake" but that the mother she knew (that experienced life after the back-up) has ceased to exist.

That assumes an essence and one that can not be held in multiple bodies to begin with though. Her brain is a computer, couldn't her memories already been defragged over and over? Likewise human memory is imperfect always changing or being lost. If her memories were defragged it's not particularly different from being restored from backup because over time every memory will have been copied and the old memory location deleted and you have a Ship of Theseus type situation.

Right. I'm just saying that if you could make an identical clone of yourself, it would be "you", but it can't be you, because you could (likely) kill that clone and suffer no (physical) harm to yourself. So, my viewpoint is that you are the only you at this present moment in time, perhaps it would be wrong to call this "consciousness" itself, maybe that's a term more apt to an immutable state of being of your person, as a continued observer of the universe, so long as you are alive. However, I feel as if there should be some sort of distinction between an overall consciousness of the person, and the "consciousness" of your current self, how can I be "me" as I currently perceive myself to be if I were to lose the very memories that allow me to have such a perception of my present existence? To be clear, by that logic I'm also not the same "me" from ten years ago, I can't be, there's too many gaps between then and now. So, I would definitely call it "dying" in the anime if the doctor had pressed the button, because her world would have likely faded to black, and she can't be the same her that opens her eyes after the back-up because she has no frame of reference for those experiences, it's like anything that occurred after the backup never existed at all. So, maybe it's just semantics what you want to call that, but I think it would be a tangible concept nonetheless.

Yeah, basically what I was saying is something of such uncertain complex philosophical nature isn't really a good grounds for Hikaru's actions. He made it sound like it's an absolute rather than uncertainty. Yes I'd also call it dying in the sense the one who was a week (plus whatever time it took before her total failure) additional experience died but in a way the older previous self also lived. So you could take it as bittersweet.

Yes, your body actually replaces every single cell i think it was like every 8 years is how long it takes so not only is your state of mind different but you have a completely different body in one way.

Yeah, I guess he's just not the type of guy to sugarcoat the reality of the situation to a child. I assume it likely has something to do with whatever happened when he was a child, and that got his mother sent to prison. Of course, it doesn't seem like he believes that is his actual mother, so maybe that's a copy of her. There's definitely something going on there, but I'm not sure what it is. I do agree that it's bittersweet, because the mother came back to life, it just wasn't the "original" (if she was the original to begin with) mother, which is why there was the difference in her not putting cream in the eggs, because whatever gave rise to that insight never occurred. I am aware of that as well when it comes to cells, but certain cells and parts don't ever change as well, but more so than that, I don't think our "body" necessarily gives us consciousness, other than to say it is only because of the body that we are alive. So, if we could map everything and put it into a machine, I wouldn't say that this isn't consciousness even if they lacked an organic body. Alright, I'm just rambling now, but yeah.

His mother is a human but who showed up narrating things early on was the humanoid. We only saw the mother in the flashback of what occurred in the past. That woman in the prison is a copy of his mother, the first "humanoid" (you can tell from the goat llke pupils) and it's implied his blood mother has gone missing which the humanoid copy of his mother brought up about him still looking for her. The humanoid was thrown in prison for there being backups of her but it wasnt elaborated on.

I don't think consciousness for sure arises with the body either. I see consciousness as a natural state that is directly tied in with matter somehow in a way it's all over the place in one form or another. Even a rock has consciousness of sorts or at least potential for it.

Actually, his mother was a humanoid to begin with. I was looking at that episode again the other day, and remembered this comment.

Checking again and huh i guess so. The eye shape isnt always clear thing to remember right.

Jul 17, 2023 6:00 AM

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LostSpectre said:

__andre__ said:
I really like the premise of this anime and how it immerses into the AI world. The characters are nice as well and I dig the animation. This anime let me think of Detroit Become Human

Hikaru & Risa are like the doctors for the AI patients and Risa cares a lot about Hikaru. Man the first episode in and I almost thought the family was gonna lose the mother, which was gonna be heartbreaking, but she basically got reset and then she got her back-up data. Hikaru still visits his mother in the prison to this day, looks like she got arrested for something illegal. The child seemed nice and caring, she even did groceries for her sick mother, which is awesome. I did like how the AI shows emotions.

Animation quality is nice, nothing too major.

Maybe it's all about perspective, but I would say they did lose her, what they restored wasn't "her" it was a copy of her, and even if it's identical, it can't be the original consciousness, because it lacks any memory beyond the time she was backed up. The mother chose to stop the doctor from pressing the button and beginning the "procedure" because she realized in that instant that pressing the button would kill her, so she chose to live out her remaining time until the virus completely corrupted her and she stopped functioning.

Your thoughts helped me make a little more sense about her decision. I kept thinking on why didn´t she just did the backup if she´s only losing a week of memories? It´s not like she´s being completely wiped out and turn into an empty shell that the family will have to fill again. Maybe I just need to watch it again, there´s some points I´m sort of confused about. Also, I really want to see where the story with Hikaru and his mother goes. Appparently that humanoid isn´t really her? And are all humanoids humans to begin with?

Dan_ALvesJul 17, 2023 6:19 AM

Jul 17, 2023 1:45 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

LostSpectre said:

Maybe it's all about perspective, but I would say they did lose her, what they restored wasn't "her" it was a copy of her, and even if it's identical, it can't be the original consciousness, because it lacks any memory beyond the time she was backed up. The mother chose to stop the doctor from pressing the button and beginning the "procedure" because she realized in that instant that pressing the button would kill her, so she chose to live out her remaining time until the virus completely corrupted her and she stopped functioning.

Your thoughts helped me make a little more sense about her decision. I kept thinking on why didn´t she just did the backup if she´s only losing a week of memories? It´s not like she´s being completely wiped out and turn into an empty shell that the family will have to fill again. Maybe I just need to watch it again, there´s some points I´m sort of confused about. Also, I really want to see where the story with Hikaru and his mother goes. Appparently that humanoid isn´t really her? And are all humanoids humans to begin with?

To my knowledge, humans created humanoids just because they could, because they were mankind's greatest achievement. However, instead of being like a worker class or something, they integrated the humanoids into the human population. I don't believe that humanoids were human to begin with, they're created, but in the second episode you'll see that there are completely organic humanoids, that are essentially human, and even capable of reproduction. The MC's mother was a humanoid, and I think her original self is missing still, the woman in the prison is a copy of his mother. Also, yeah, it wasn't just about losing some of your memory, a "backup" of you as a person can't literally be the same entity that you are at this precise moment, it's just a copy of you.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 17, 2023 2:58 PM

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Probably the least compelling or least artistically interesting Madhouse production I have watched. This comes from a huge Madhouse fan.

Jul 17, 2023 4:54 PM

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DETROIT BECOME HUMAN

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btw this anime will be an underrated gem

Jul 19, 2023 5:59 AM

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LostSpectre said:

Dan_ALves said:

Your thoughts helped me make a little more sense about her decision. I kept thinking on why didn´t she just did the backup if she´s only losing a week of memories? It´s not like she´s being completely wiped out and turn into an empty shell that the family will have to fill again. Maybe I just need to watch it again, there´s some points I´m sort of confused about. Also, I really want to see where the story with Hikaru and his mother goes. Appparently that humanoid isn´t really her? And are all humanoids humans to begin with?

To my knowledge, humans created humanoids just because they could, because they were mankind's greatest achievement. However, instead of being like a worker class or something, they integrated the humanoids into the human population. I don't believe that humanoids were human to begin with, they're created, but in the second episode you'll see that there are completely organic humanoids, that are essentially human, and even capable of reproduction. The MC's mother was a humanoid, and I think her original self is missing still, the woman in the prison is a copy of his mother. Also, yeah, it wasn't just about losing some of your memory, a "backup" of you as a person can't literally be the same entity that you are at this precise moment, it's just a copy of you.

I still haven´t watched episode 2. I´m sure as the episodes come out a lot will be explained but until then where stuck in these discussions of what is and might be. So they copied Hikaru´s mother, she disappeared, and the copy was used to commit crimes?
Also, the women who did the backup had a robotic head so she´s a machine. But in the flashbacks she had brown eyes and not the grey eyes that humanoids have.
And even if it´s not the same you, it´s still you from a week ago.

Jul 19, 2023 12:34 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

LostSpectre said:

To my knowledge, humans created humanoids just because they could, because they were mankind's greatest achievement. However, instead of being like a worker class or something, they integrated the humanoids into the human population. I don't believe that humanoids were human to begin with, they're created, but in the second episode you'll see that there are completely organic humanoids, that are essentially human, and even capable of reproduction. The MC's mother was a humanoid, and I think her original self is missing still, the woman in the prison is a copy of his mother. Also, yeah, it wasn't just about losing some of your memory, a "backup" of you as a person can't literally be the same entity that you are at this precise moment, it's just a copy of you.

I still haven´t watched episode 2. I´m sure as the episodes come out a lot will be explained but until then where stuck in these discussions of what is and might be. So they copied Hikaru´s mother, she disappeared, and the copy was used to commit crimes?
Also, the women who did the backup had a robotic head so she´s a machine. But in the flashbacks she had brown eyes and not the grey eyes that humanoids have.
And even if it´s not the same you, it´s still you from a week ago.

The "you" from a week ago wouldn't mean anything to the you now, if you were going to cease to exist, right?

His mother is a humanoid, the eyes might be hard to determine in some shots, but they're the horizontal pupils.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 23, 2023 9:03 PM

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Seems like a very basic "Technology vs Humanity" theme but the "sexy nurse with a crush on the doctor" made for some weird mood change lol

Jul 27, 2023 10:01 PM

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interesting premise with mysteries, rather basic animation. Hikaru the rare Black Jack type mc.
Neurolink & robots with stomachs interesting & a less flashy scifi more focused on the practical/ethical concepts.
lol auto insurance voided, that's morbidly realistic.

Jul 30, 2023 2:45 PM

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This first episode was really good. Waiting for next episode and hoping that they will not ruin this interesting Idea

Aug 22, 2023 8:00 AM

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Really liked the first episode but unfortunately i am dropping this because its mostly episodic with different side stories without any connecting plot

Aug 31, 2023 7:43 PM

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much better than i was expecting

Sep 1, 2023 6:00 AM

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Like the concept, what makes a human a human. Felt bad for the little girl. Good start, let's see how things will go from here.

Oct 2, 2023 8:34 PM

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Eu achei o episódio com uma boa história e mensagem profunda por trás, ele chama um pensamento filosófico de que se você trocasse por uma cópia idêntica de si mesmo, a cópia ainda seria diferente.
Eu achei isto bem interessante.

Oct 2, 2023 8:35 PM

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Eu achei o episódio com uma boa história e mensagem profunda por trás, ele chama um pensamento filosófico de que se você trocasse por uma cópia idêntica de si mesmo, a cópia ainda seria diferente.
Eu achei isto bem interessante.

Mar 13, 9:11 AM

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U Get A Robot , U Get A Robot & U Get A Robot.

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