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Jul 7, 2023 11:54 AM

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Because nobody wants to watch CCP trash
Jul 22, 2023 8:47 PM

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Because China isn't nearly as cool a country as Japan

Jul 23, 2023 12:32 AM

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ColourWheel said:
The only reason why Westerners are even exposed to a majority of Donghua that gets produced is because it's being pirated.
Just another one of these ignorant statements. Anyone has seen any donghua knows that most of them are released for free by the official producers on YouTube. The only reason anyone pirates them is to release them one week early because paid memberships get advance access. I'm starting to yawn at the low levels of effort the xenophobes put in.
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Jul 23, 2023 1:50 AM

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katsucats said:
ColourWheel said:
Chinese Donghua is decades behind Japanese Anime especially when it comes to global marketing their media. This has nothing to do with Japan keeping anything down. I have stated this before a large majority of Chinese Donghua that exist isn't even licensed for distribution beyond China's own boarders. That's the Central Propaganda Department of the CCP problem if they don't allow their own animation outside of it's own country. The only reason why Westerners are even exposed to a majority of Donghua that gets produced is because it's being pirated.
Just another one of these ignorant statements. Anyone has seen any donghua knows that most of them are released for free by the official producers on YouTube. The only reason anyone pirates them is to release them one week early because paid memberships get advance access. I'm starting to yawn at the low levels of effort the xenophobes put in.


Again another example of a User quoting me completely out of context completely over looking the fact I originally mentioned a complete lack of "global marketing their media", and also an extremely weak attempt to try to paint me as some xenophobe. Never see Donghua ever being advertised in the West, doesn't matter how much Donghua is released free on YouTube if no one knows it's there. But here is your chance you got an entire platform to start linking every Donghua Series you know that is availably for free on Youtube on behalf of the CCP, assuming they are actually posted by official producers. I am not just talking about linking random single episodes here and there either. This is if you got the full permission from the CCP to do this free advertising for them too.

Again this has nothing to do with xenophobia, I have many friends and acquaintances in real life who are not only Chinese American who think Donghua sucks But friends who are originally from places like the Philippines, Mongolia, Malaysia, Cambodia, India, etc... who all watch Anime too and also think Chinese Donghua just sucks in comparison to actual Japanese Anime. I am personal friends with a majority of every Chinese native restaurant owner in the entire state I live in due to my past business dealings in Commercial Real Estate. It's a pretty common consensus where I live in America where many different people with different Asian backgrounds all co-exist with each other who don't feel that strongly about Chinese Donghua at all. None of my Asian friends or acquaintances ever rave about how good Donghua is over Anime not even if they are originally from China. I have even told one of my Chinese American friends who actually likes Donghua to their face that I think Donghua just sucks. I highly doubt they think I am some xenophobe if they keep coming over to my house to shoot pool and drink beer with me almost weekly. Even so, they still agree with me that Chinese Donghua is subpar compared to Japanese Anime.

I look at Chinese Donghua the same way I look at Country Music, I just simply think it sucks and I have no interest in consuming it. Just because someone has no interest in a certain type of media and refuses to promote it doesn't make them a xenophobe. You throw around the word "xenophobia" just as reckless and idiotic as those who constantly throw around the word "woke" just to label anything they don't like, regardless of actually being able to even define it or use the word accurately.
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Jul 23, 2023 2:01 AM
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Why are Swiss made watches more popular than Chinese copy?

Same reason
 

Jul 23, 2023 2:11 AM

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Because Anime has been mainstream and Donghua probably became a bit known just about 10 years ago.

That said I have one of the donghua as my fav series which shows a bit

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Jul 23, 2023 3:09 AM

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Ew, why would I want to consume anything produced in China? I mean, often there is no other choice since they have flooded the entire world with their crap, but when there is a choice it's just common sense to stay away from anything that came from China as far as possible. So yeah, when anime ceases to exist, I would probably start watching Chinese or Korean cartoons. Or not.
Jul 23, 2023 7:10 AM

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Most donghua look the same to me art style-wise. What I love about anime is the wide variety of art styles and different kinds of stories being told. 

I'm not opposed to trying donghua if I found a series that interested me, but that just hasn't happened yet. 
Jul 23, 2023 7:19 AM

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a couple reasons really

1. china isn't exactly a popular country right now because of the ccp. personally i think it's unfair to hate on a whole country because of its government but there are a lot of people who won't touch donghua/manhua simply because "china bad"

2. mandarin takes some getting used to, it's a tonal language and can be jarring for a westerner to listen to at first

3. content, most donghua seem to be based on cultivation so if you're not familiar with that it can be difficult to get into. yes, anime also has a ton of cultural elements too that newbies need to learn, but that brings me to:

4. there's just not enough of it, the donghua industry is fairly new compared to anime and doesn't have the same global appeal yet. give it time and i'm sure there will be an increase in people interested in it, but right now anime is just more accessible
Jul 23, 2023 12:57 PM
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Lmao that close-minded start post. You can't just throw in "better characterization" and "better dialogues" without a proof, or saying "no monologue" like it's an issue for a piece of media to have monologue ... or whatever "annoying anime grunting" is even supposed to mean.


Anyway, I liked some donghua (but have some beef with the Mo Dao Zu Shi adaptation), but most of these cultivation donghua are so fucking lengthy. The only one those I will finish is Fanren, because I'm in for too long now, but not any other. I tried Soul Land for like 3 episodes and then recognized how many episodes are there lol.
Also most of them seem to be similar to another.

The CGI is even pretty good, but I still want my anime characters to look like drawn anime characters somehow. In bit more realistic style preferably, but still.

I like to watch some chinese movies or shorter donghuas tho, especially not CCI ones.
Jul 23, 2023 11:26 PM

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Year 2023, Action & Plot of DongHua already on spar with Japanese, but...

1. China is a country far too big, have problems to standardize a culture for world to understand
Northern China Culture don't agree with Central China Culture or Southern China Culture
Unlike Japan and S.Korea - 70-90% of time, Japanese and S.Korean can understand.
Solution: Choose easy common words and phrases

2. School hall, Classroom and hostel look really bad-messy in DongHua
Solution: Unless Govt rebuild all school in better design

Jul 24, 2023 12:40 PM
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I don't even know what  Donghua is and I sure as hell have never watched one. That might have something to do with it.
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ColourWheel said:
katsucats said:
Just another one of these ignorant statements. Anyone has seen any donghua knows that most of them are released for free by the official producers on YouTube. The only reason anyone pirates them is to release them one week early because paid memberships get advance access. I'm starting to yawn at the low levels of effort the xenophobes put in.


Again another example of a User quoting me completely out of context completely over looking the fact I originally mentioned a complete lack of "global marketing their media", and also an extremely weak attempt to try to paint me as some xenophobe.
First tactic of low effort trolls without any defense: "He's misrepresenting me!" You never want to be pinned down to something even when you plainly said since it exposes your fraud. It's pathetic. Does donghua being on Netflix and CrunchyRoll count as global marketing? Does donghua being on YouTube recommendations whenever anyone searches anything similar? How about the fact that Link Click S2 premiered at Anime Expo? Just face it. You're a sad, sad little man hating on cartoons out of a misguided sense of irrelevant patriotism.

The rest of your post is a rehash of the standard "I have black friends" argument so I don't even need to address it, do I? smh
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Jul 25, 2023 3:49 AM
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I'm copy-pasting my response from a similar thread:

I've seen a handful of Chinese anime, and it's been a mixed bag. I liked anime like The King's Avatar but really disliked Scumbag System and The Daily Life of the Immortal King. I think the main reason behind why it's not held in a positive light is due to 3 factors:
1) The Chinese animation industry is still in its infancy (despite decades of exisence) due to it being given more priority recently. As such, a lot of the stories are either heavily inspired by existing Japanese anime or adapt their own works less effectively. I do think the industry will improve sometime in the future.
2) CGI. It's far more common in Chinese anime and it makes the characters look uncanny most of the time.
3) Despite China's long and rich history and culture, it surprisingly isn't as widespread on the media as compared to Japanese history and culture. Yes, Chinese dramas, novels and anime have been able to spread the culture, it's just that Japanese anime has been around for longer and has had more time and a wider audience to target.
Jul 25, 2023 6:17 AM

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katsucats said:
ColourWheel said:


Again another example of a User quoting me completely out of context completely over looking the fact I originally mentioned a complete lack of "global marketing their media", and also an extremely weak attempt to try to paint me as some xenophobe. Never see Donghua ever being advertised in the West, doesn't matter how much Donghua is released free on YouTube if no one knows it's there. But here is your chance you got an entire platform to start linking every Donghua Series you know that is availably for free on Youtube on behalf of the CCP, assuming they are actually posted by official producers. I am not just talking about linking random single episodes here and there either. This is if you got the full permission from the CCP to do this free advertising for them too.

Again this has nothing to do with xenophobia, I have many friends and acquaintances in real life who are not only Chinese American who think Donghua sucks But friends who are originally from places like the Philippines, Mongolia, Malaysia, Cambodia, India, etc... who all watch Anime too and also think Chinese Donghua just sucks in comparison to actual Japanese Anime. I am personal friends with a majority of every Chinese native restaurant owner in the entire state I live in due to my past business dealings in Commercial Real Estate. It's a pretty common consensus where I live in America where many different people with different Asian backgrounds all co-exist with each other who don't feel that strongly about Chinese Donghua at all. None of my Asian friends or acquaintances ever rave about how good Donghua is over Anime not even if they are originally from China. I have even told one of my Chinese American friends who actually likes Donghua to their face that I think Donghua just sucks. I highly doubt they think I am some xenophobe if they keep coming over to my house to shoot pool and drink beer with me almost weekly. Even so, they still agree with me that Chinese Donghua is subpar compared to Japanese Anime.

I look at Chinese Donghua the same way I look at Country Music, I just simply think it sucks and I have no interest in consuming it. Just because someone has no interest in a certain type of media and refuses to promote it doesn't make them a xenophobe. You throw around the word "xenophobia" just as reckless and idiotic as those who constantly throw around the word "woke" just to label anything they don't like, regardless of actually being able to even define it or use the word accurately.
First tactic of low effort trolls without any defense: "He's misrepresenting me!" You never want to be pinned down to something even when you plainly said since it exposes your fraud. It's pathetic. Does donghua being on Netflix and CrunchyRoll count as global marketing? Does donghua being on YouTube recommendations whenever anyone searches anything similar? How about the fact that Link Click S2 premiered at Anime Expo? Just face it. You're a sad, sad little man hating on cartoons out of a misguided sense of irrelevant patriotism.

The rest of your post is a rehash of the standard "I have black friends" argument so I don't even need to address it, do I? smh


Netflix and CrunchyRoll promoting one Chinese franchise like "Click Bait" is hardly a broad global marketing campaign when it's being advertised as Anime and not Donghua. Also it's worth noting Netflix apparently has already dropped "Click Bait" from it's platform for a 2021 ONA, seems it's not as popular as one would like to believe if this is the Donghua flagship of all Chinese Donghua in the West. I can still watch "Kakegurui" on Netflix which was released in 2017. I can even buy "Kakegurui" on an Officially Released Blu-ray, which is more than one can say for "Click Bait" not even having even an official DVD release one could purchase. "Anime News Network" is basically viewed as the Western online Encyclopedia database for all things Anime and there is a simple reason why there is no Donghua in it's database. It's because Donghua is not Anime. Going back to the premise of the thread, Chinese Donghua is simply just not popular enough to be marketed as it's own unique medium in the West.

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I'm starting to yawn at the low levels of effort the xenophobes put in.

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The rest of your post is a rehash of the standard "I have black friends" argument so I don't even need to address it, do I? smh


You don't even know what a xenophobe is. So I will help you out and show you what anyone could do by simply googling a simple definition.



As much as you would like to think otherwise Chinese Donghua is not people.

You are only fooling yourself by continuing to try to make up half baked explanations to justify an extremely flawed argument to begin with. Personally attacking me over this just makes you look pathetic. If you think this is me trolling you go ahead and believe that, I could care less.

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Jul 25, 2023 6:19 AM

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Why is an emerging industry less popular than a long established one? Well, the usual: there are much fewer titles, they don't have a strong aesthetic cohesion or narrative identity yet, they don't have as much cultural impact and they are not as widely distributed internationally.
Jul 25, 2023 8:17 AM

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KuroudoAkabane said:
bcz the language sounds shit to listen to.

of all the languages I heard, like 25 ~ I only disliked hearing one.
Mandarin, sure, but the Wu dialects are actually quite nice.
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I'm not averse to trying more when they're available.
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