| Personally, I didn't care too much about the socially awkward aspects of the show. It was fun and well executed, but that's about it. I am an introvert, so I did find some relatable scenes here and there, but not so much as that being the main reason I liked the show. What I liked the most, and what I suspect a lot of people appreciate the show for, besides the social anxiety portion, were the musical parts of the show. I really liked the songs, but this is something entirely subjective. What isn't subjective though is the amount of effort the show put into accurately portraying several details about music performance, forming an independent band and the playing itself. There is so much about the musical aspect of the show that people with a love of music beyond just listening to the songs because they sound nice to them or for gushing over the artists more than they enjoy the actual music will perceive... I mean, the musical references are spot on, the instruments are correctly portrayed, the starting days of the band are believeable. It puts an emphasis that the girls, while admittedly above average in musicianship than your average Joe, got there more from putting tons of effort and practice than from raw unexplained talent. They gave a role to each of the girls to make them irreplaceable for the band in the long run. And the musical performances are very correctly and accurately animated, which is a commendable feat considering the studio's choice not to tamper with either the artstyle or character designs during them. I think anyone who is seriously into music, or has been for at least a period of their life, will appreciate these aspects the most. So, to answer the question. No. The "self insert" (quotes because there's barely any to begin with) isn't the only reason the show gets praise. Nor is it the main one. |
| First thing is that it's not the only strength of the show, the animation is incredibly well made, there's a lot of references, they have a lot of attention to detail in the backgrounds, the comedy is well executed while not sacrificing the believability of the scenes, etc. Second thing is that being relatable isn't the same as being a self insert. A self insert is a character with no discernible qualities, a blank slate that anyone can see themselves in, in the same way that fortune cookies or horoscopes feel like they're telling the truth because they're written generically enough to be able to apply to anyone. Bocchi isn't like this, she's based on a type of person that a lot of people can relate to, although not everyone, and people can relate to in different ways. I think her value as being a relatable character is intensified by the kinds of people who are likely to get into anime in the first place. If there was a Hollywood film adaptation of Bocchi I don't think it would have been as well received because the kind of people who can relate to her the most wouldn't be as concentrated in that audience. A lot of anime fans have social anxiety and the way she approaches life reflects how people like that behave. The fact that she defaults to the internet as a form of safe social interaction is also something that people talking here or making reviews on Youtube are going to relate to, since a lot of them are also in that situation. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Yeah, but people like that would not be able to stand on stage and play guitar in front of the crowd without huge overdose on anti-anxiety pills. Not to mention that anxiety is connection to depression too. That aspect is conveniently left out. So, realistic? Nope. Since Bocchi is CGDCT, you're not going to see realistic representation of those issues. However, like I said, what is shown, it work ok for this type of show. That's all.A lot of anime fans have social anxiety and the way she approaches life reflects how people like that behave. The fact that she defaults to the internet as a form of safe social interaction is also something that people talking here or making reviews on Youtube are going to relate to, since a lot of them are also in that situation. |
Stardrake said: As someone with social anxiety I actually didn't find it that difficult singing on stage to a lot of people because the audience sort of blends into a single entity. I actually found it more difficult to sing to a crowd of 30 than a crowd of 300 because with a crowd of 30 they still all feel like individual people and you have more of an ability to tell what each of their opinions are on your performance. Even then, if it's something you love, you're willing to pull through even the difficult situation of being in the spotlight.zombie_pegasus said: Yeah, but people like that would not be able to stand on stage and play guitar in front of the crowd without huge overdose on anti-anxiety pills. Not to mention that anxiety is connection to depression too. That aspect is conveniently left out. So, realistic? Nope. Since Bocchi is CGDCT, you're not going to see realistic representation of those issues. However, like I said, what is shown, it work ok for this type of show. That's all.A lot of anime fans have social anxiety and the way she approaches life reflects how people like that behave. The fact that she defaults to the internet as a form of safe social interaction is also something that people talking here or making reviews on Youtube are going to relate to, since a lot of them are also in that situation. Obviously I can't speak for every person with social anxiety, I'm just one case, but considering the prevalence of people on Youtube who say they suffer from it and yet perform to large audiences on the internet anyway, or my gym teacher who said he suffers from social anxiety and felt like teaching a class of kids would be a way to help him get more comfortable communicating with people, or other people like that I don't think Bocchi is just a magical character who's able to do something unrealistic given her condition. |
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MAXproARYAN said: Thank you, a great argument in a dogshit thread. I don’t get people that make hate threads and shit like this. I didn’t like Lycoris Recoil or Summertime Render, but I didn’t go out of my way to make useless hate threads for them. I’d rather not be an attention whore. Just let your opinions cook.Dije said: And I stopped there. You know why you stopped there? Because you are just trying to find an excuse to dislike the show. I mean, you took out one point from his review, posted an entire thread on it saying this is the only thing people care about. Thats low. Also Since you seem to be too pinned on *INNOVATION*. Lemme tell you about a world famous anime called fmab. One of the most praised anime of all time , didn't do a single thing new, it was all anime tropes done before but just better. You gonna go and make a hate post there too , now? Or you just have something against bocchi. Also no offense, but every last one of your points are super subjective, so unless you do a bit more reasearch and put actual points worth for debate, you are just making a fool out of yourself. Sorry, i probably sound toxic but im tired of posts like this |
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Dije said: well, plot isn't everything. it's not even more than the characters themselves, even in a "plot-driven" story.The plot is already seen; it has nothing innovative. Throughout the anime there is only one comedy sketch, which is copied and pasted for 12 episodes changing the sauce but not the content, making the comedy uninspired. The music is forgettable and shallow, so the music also seems uninspired to me. The only positive thing I found is that Bocchi's social phobia is done very well, so I thought, do people like this anime just for the self insert at this point? I took a look at the reviews and it certainly seems that way. In this review, which is among the top 3 most liked on the site ( https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=466999 ) user GG-WP says it clearly, "Bocchi is me." And I stopped there. I can understand that Bocchi's social phobia is well realized but even this is unrealistic in one respect, because if in reality a girl like Bocchi suffered from social phobia she would still have a kilometer-long line of men around her who would make her normal. If she were an obese girl or a man it would be much more realistic. To me it is a show that treads water and does not stand up. I feel like it was only liked for the self insert even though it doesn't make sense. What do you guys think? Is that really the only reason it is liked so much? like you can have super good, complicated and large plot but if you cannot tell them properly, the best response you'd get from your viewers is "oh. it's good" and then they will just move on to the next thing. being memorable is more important than all those metrics and 'rules" of what makes a good anime, because it's the ones that are memorable that will forever be held in a place inside the hearts of the anime fanbase. whether it's the relatability or the unique direction, Bocchi the Rock is like one of the best anime in recent years to do that: being memorable. but I guess considering you have like 3 completed anime and couldn't even be bothered to comment using your main account, I guess I was expecting too much? |
| god this reading this thread makes my brain gone insane |
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NanOki said: You expect the show to go full-blown in depth about social anxiety just for you?I gotta somewhat agree with you. I was curious what everyone was praising this show for but I was fairly dissapointed. I have extreme social anxiety myself but I find it hard to relate to Hitori in this show, if they went a bit more depth into the social anxiety I probably would have liked it a bit more, but not it just kind of stayed witht the theme of Hitori has anxiety about something, her friends try and help her with it, she continues to be nervous, she then realizes something (the part that I wish they expanded on more), she then tries to power through it. I know this show is also supposed to be funny, but I wish they would have cut it down a bit, though the jokes are okay. The characters are okay in my opinion, they don't really stand out compared to what I've seen though, except for maybe Bocchi herself for what she tries to represent. overall I just thought this show was okay. |
Shamikont said: NanOki said: You expect the show to go full-blown in depth about social anxiety just for you?I gotta somewhat agree with you. I was curious what everyone was praising this show for but I was fairly dissapointed. I have extreme social anxiety myself but I find it hard to relate to Hitori in this show, if they went a bit more depth into the social anxiety I probably would have liked it a bit more, but not it just kind of stayed witht the theme of Hitori has anxiety about something, her friends try and help her with it, she continues to be nervous, she then realizes something (the part that I wish they expanded on more), she then tries to power through it. I know this show is also supposed to be funny, but I wish they would have cut it down a bit, though the jokes are okay. The characters are okay in my opinion, they don't really stand out compared to what I've seen though, except for maybe Bocchi herself for what she tries to represent. overall I just thought this show was okay. Oh no most definetly not for me, but in my opinion I've noticed a lack on depth in a lot of story-telling. It would be nice to see it explored "full blown" as you said. There is so much you can do with this concept and it has potential. |
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Dije said: Well, you answered yourself at the end. music also seems uninspired to meThe plot is already seen; it has nothing innovative. Throughout the anime there is only one comedy sketch, which is copied and pasted for 12 episodes changing the sauce but not the content, making the comedy uninspired. The music is forgettable and shallow, so the music also seems uninspired to me. To me, music is good - and not forgettable, comedy is good. All these things are subjective. You either like it or not. Judging by score and love the show received, you are clearly in the minority. Dije said: Obviously not. I mean, you should realize it's not gonna be 100%, right? Without doubt, vast majority of people found a part of themselves in Bocchi, but obviously this can't be the only factor. Comedy, art, animation, music, characters - it's the combination that made Bocchi the Rock special.so I thought, do people like this anime just for the self insert at this point? Dije said: Sorry but this is a BS exaggeration. You clearly underestimate what people with social phobia can go through. A kilometer-long line of men would drive person like Bocchi crazy!if in reality a girl like Bocchi suffered from social phobia she would still have a kilometer-long line of men around her who would make her normal Dije said: Maybe, but then again that would be a different show.If she were an obese girl or a man it would be much more realistic. Dije said: It obviously didn't make sense to you. And, it was obviously not liked solely for self-insert. As I've said, self-insert (to some level) likely happened in vast majority of people, but there are other aspects that people found no-less worth liking, such as comedy that you personally didn't enjoy.I feel like it was only liked for the self insert even though it doesn't make sense |
Dije said: I can understand that Bocchi's social phobia is well realized but even this is unrealistic in one respect, because if in reality a girl like Bocchi suffered from social phobia she would still have a kilometer-long line of men around her who would make her normal. If she were an obese girl or a man it would be much more realistic. Tell everyone you are from the US without telling you are from the US That said she's a relatable character, although I really doubt most people would tick so many check boxes. I sure do for a lot of them, but most people are more sociable than me so.. |
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| Bocchi the reddit. |
| I completely agree, show is boring af, the only good thing about it is Ikuyo, she carried this overrated af show Inb4 funny, bocchi doing her dumb antics is more annoying than funny, her repetitively doing the same shit doesn't help |
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| Your opinion doesn't matter anyway! Arts are made to be enjoyed for people who can enjoy it. If you really hate being in a minority side, then go find proper forum where you can find people who has similar taste, or maybe make your own "perfect" anime so you can praise and worship your own anime. Stop being a negative person, make the internet a better place. |
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| personally i think this anime is decent. while i get it why people really like it. but 8.92 is really overrated. imo. |
| No they are not... It's not demon slayer.. |
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MAXproARYAN said: Lunan1ca said: @RaffyRF >Your opinion doesn't matter anyway! Implying your opinion matters. Your opinion is equally worthless get out of here. > Stop being a negative person, make the internet a better place. Make internet great again lmfao. Haha who is being a negative person here, the dude who literally made a hate post and has shown no signs of debating or defending himself in a debate, or the who literally is stopping this hate post. Internet would be a way better place if all these negative hate posts are removed and people just enjoy what they enjoy without ruining other's day Haha who is being a negative person here, the dude who literally made a hate post and has shown no signs of debating or defending himself in a debate, or the who literally is stopping this hate post. And? There are shit ton of post praising a series like it's second coming of Christ without providing any real points why they think that series is good and refuse to hear any criticism about it. Internet would be a way better place if all these negative hate posts are removed and people just enjoy what they enjoy without ruining other's day Nooo! I don't want to hear any opinions that doesn't align with mine. Fucking bullshit. You can simply choose to ignore these post if it hurts you so much. Not allowing any "negative" post will remove the ability of criticizing something actually bad. And this extended beyond random anime shit |
Lunan1caMar 11, 2023 7:04 AM
For me it was boring. Bocchi was too dramatic, jokes were repeated and there was not enough music. With such high ratings, I expected something better. Apart from the exaggerated bochi phobia, there was nothing original here |
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