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1. Dr. Stone - love just about everything about this show, the childlike enthusiasm for experimentation makes me so happy

2. Dumbbells - That Barnold Shortsinator might have been the episode of the year for any show

3/4/5 Vinland / El Melloi / Re:Stage a bit of shuffling could be here over the weekend, I don't think any of these will be disastrous enough for Shamikos to move up

6. Shamikos - Mikan is wholesome, attractive, a gigantic pain in the butt to be around, brings physical comedy sorely lacking otherwise and was criminally underused

7/8 Astra / Demon Slayer - I enjoyed these for the most part
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I thoroughly got into the original Fruits Basket with its Sad Boys (I usually don't care about Sad Boys), not so much this time. My favorite parts of the new adaptation were the arcs of main girl Honda's two female friends, who I don't remember at all from the first anime. They happen to be ++good types for me, one being a goth with creepy psychic powers, and the other being a delinquent who looks up to Honda's mother, a retired legendary gang leader. Yes, it's like Zombie Land Saga, written 20 years earlier.


When it's time to pull up a cute short, I forget that I'm watching Cooking with Valkyries and pull up Puchimas 2 instead. Restarted Cooking with Valkyries yesterday, it's great. Especially episode 5, Murata Himeko is fiiiiiiine. I saw a comment that the Chinese voices are pleasantly "realistic" compared to high-pitched Japanese moe girl voices. Well, obviously lower-pitched moe girls are also a thing, but these voices sound much softer to me (and therefore more pleasant) than I'm used to hearing from Chinese girls. Not that I've heard a lot, but to me spoken Chinese sounds harsh, and not in a cool way like German. Normally I much prefer Chinese singing to Chinese dialog - I actually even prefer the sound of Chinese over Japanese in music. Too bad this OP is mostly English.


I could put together a "What I watched / expected / got" for Dumbbells but I just don't feel like making the effort


Uchi no ko pushed Latina's desire for Dale so hard that I ended up wishing it would just timeskip to when she's an adult.




JK accomplished a rare feat by being a pure comedy that actually made me laugh. Before it started I had my doubts, but I was interested in the cast outside the main three characters. And it turned out they were the best part of the show.


I picked up Isekai Cheat Magician because the description made it sound like a zero-challenge Smartphone type show. It wasn't. This is the worst show I've watched this year.


When I first heard of DanMachi in 2015 I thought it might be something like the way Naofumi picks up Raphtalia but more lighthearted... hmm. I saw negative reviews and avoided it. I watched Sword Oratoria when it aired, then watched the first season this year in preparation for the second. I think my favorite part is still the seemingly universally disliked Sword Oratoria. It's certainly not the second season, at any rate.


Okaasan Online: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5190890#5190890


Shamiko was quite cute, but Machikado Mazoku was not really my bowl of sake. Shamiko's mom has got it going on.



SageM said:
The final episode of the anime heavily implies that the Narrator is actually [Shamiko's dad].

Since it cuts away what Seiko was going to tell Yuko about what her father used to say, but then the Narrator finishes it.

This implies that the narrators voice is actually her husband Joshua.
-from https://machikadomazoku.fandom.com/wiki/Seiko_Yoshida


Sounan amazing, will read the manga.




I love Girls und Panzer so much that I had eye juice twice just from scrubbing through files to grab screenshots -_-

At first I was waiting for Re:Stage to rise beyond this and distinguish itself, but because of that setup, when it went its own way I inevitably wished it could have been more like Girls und Panzer, in a couple of key areas:

1. Why is it essential to recruit the dynasty's failed prodigy? The Ooarai student council's recruitment of Miho pays off clearly and explicitly, as she not only is a good leader and commander, but also devises ingenious, extremely unconventional strategies, surprising their opponents and repeatedly turning the odds in Ooarai's favor over the course of the series. To me, that is the core of Girls und Panzer's entertainment value. It's "show, don't tell" - the show doesn't have to tell you that Miho is an irreplaceable asset; you can see it for yourself.

In Re:Stage we see Mana and Sayu dance with identical animation, then Sayu tells Mana that performing with her felt special, and heartwarming BGM plays to sell the point. We learn that Kae's "IPP" digital analytic system gives Mana a low score for idol potential, but Sayu says that Mana's performance has a unique X-factor ability to reach people. Despite the commendable great effort put into keyframe-animating the performances, the series can't actually show us this unique draw Mana possesses; we just have to take Sayu's word that it exists. Mana is successful in helping to recruit members and bond KiRaRe as a group, but why? Kae and Kasumi say that watching Mana and Sayu perform had a profound effect on them, leading them to want to join... and we have to just accept what they tell us.

Watching Mana and the others perform is moving to us because we've been following their journey and have a connection to the characters, so the show doesn't need Mana to more concretely prove her importance, but I wish she could have.


2. Girls und Panzer's conclusion, when Miho's family finally accepts her, is one of my favorite moments in all of anime. (Taisho Baseball Girls had a similar outcome.) Mana couldn't earn a moment that strong, because her family never rejected her in the first place. Her sister's slight possessiveness, resulting in the rejection of the possibility of Mana reaching her full potential with KiRaRe, is a minor hurdle in comparison to the family conflict in GuP.

Obviously you can't 1:1 equate tankery to idol activities; tankery's inherent danger is the direct cause of Miho's falling-out from Powerhouse High School, where her dynastic family disowned her because she refused to prioritize victory over the lives of students in a flooding tank. It would be tricky to come up with a similar scenario for idols. You could still have an ideological clash of artistic differences, most easily genre vs. genre. The decades-old formula is to have the protagonist come from a family of traditional musicians, who reject their preference for a new sound, but that's tired. I'd prefer the reverse - I think of when Adele's soul music first made it onto Top 40 pop radio, and people were shocked. But could something comparable sell a 2D idol franchise? Maybe not.

Alternatively, you can more closely follow GuP's battle of heartless versus heart, via perspectives on / approaches to the creation of music. This is going to go way off on a tangent, because the show's had me thinking about this a lot since I got caught up three weeks ago.

The Week: "Taylor Swift and the rise of robot music"
https://theweek.com/articles/584633/taylor-swift-rise-robot-music

While [Taylor] Swift's pop ambitions lead her to use technology to achieve ethereal, pristine, technical flawlessness, [Ryan] Adams works firmly within rock 'n' roll's more purely populist vision that treats imperfection as a virtue. Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, Janis Joplin, Lou Reed, Carole King, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Tom Waits, Bruce Springsteen, Joe Strummer, Elvis Costello, Michael Stipe, Tori Amos, Bob Mould, Aimee Mann, Kurt Cobain — these and many other rock artists produced music sung and performed by regular, flawed, broken human beings. Its beauty, its power, its passion grew out of and was embedded in its imperfection. The music was the sound of an ordinary man or woman roused by joy, anger, or pain to break out in song as an expression of authenticity and in search of a chance at catharsis, if not redemption.

For one example among thousands, take a listen to one of the best album tracks of the grunge era: Pearl Jam's "Better Man." When I first heard it, in 1994, still a few years before the Auto-Tune revolution, I noticed that Eddie Vedder's voice was off-key for much of the song. But I didn't care. It's a song of anger, hopelessness, and regret, and the raw edge of the vocals seemed to enhance the intensity of the feeling.

But today? With ears trained to expect digitized perfection from vocalists, it's become impossible to listen to the song without wincing. It would never be released today. The band would be laughed out of the offices of Sony Music. Vedder wouldn't make it past first-cut auditions for The Voice.

No one wants to hear bad music. Great technical performances have always been appreciated and rewarded. But there are other standards, too. Leonard Cohen, another undeniably imperfect singer, expressed one of them quite beautifully in "Anthem" from 1992:
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

Those lines once could have served as the motto for a genuinely populist form of pop music. Now they stand as its epitaph.

In the world we can hear coming into being in Taylor Swift's music, there will be no cracks in anything at all.

How will the light get in?

The obvious irony is that even if an anime portrays profitable perfection as inferior to heartfelt imperfection, that means the corporations funding the production have decided that "heartfelt imperfection" will earn them more profits than perfection. Which is actually the case in the real-life idol industry, though the "heartfelt" half of the equation may be dubious: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-09-03/.136196
It doesn't matter nearly as much if the idol has any real singing or dancing ability - in fact, it may be better if they're kind of mediocre. They don't need to have flawless complexions and necklines etched by God himself, because they're not supposed to be this perfect, inaccessible thing. They're supposed to be The One For You.

But in idol anime, the goal in the performances is always manufactured perfection... isn't it? I think it's cool how "Kidani Takaaki, the president of Bushiroad, got his idea for the BanG Dream! franchise from (...) seeing Aimi playing the guitar." https://bandori.fandom.com/wiki/Aimi https://www.e-onkyo.com/news/1062 But isn't all of Bang Dream manufactured perfection?

"Manufactured" doesn't mean "emotionless." From Hallmark movies to Key, plenty of media is manufactured to make you cry. We've talked before in this club about artistic versus commercial intent underlying the experience of moe: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1649639#msg52031815

Revisiting it now, I'm amused to see this Clannad review snippet...
kajia said:
[Moe is] an extreme kind of sweetness, the kind you get from gorging yourself on the icing from a cake, the kind of sweetness that makes your tooth ache and your stomach churn. I can't stand this kind of sweetness because it's artificial, arising from a cynical, calculated attempt on the makers part(...)

...right after reading this, in the preceding article about Taylor Swift:
Damon Linker said:
1989 is a bucketful of Skittles, gum drops, and candy corn dipped in chocolate and wrapped in cotton candy.


One issue with me as a music critic is that I don't necessarily prefer "artistic value" over "cynical, calculated" music, and I may not even be able to detect which attribute is dominant where others claim to know. Because of that, I don't feel very confident when assessing possible attempts to create "manufactured" rival groups in musical moe anime. If imperfection in 2D is hard to market, it's much easier to create a strawman rival with Stylistic Suck to make the (equally manufactured) hero group sound more genuine. But where is that actually the case? Why pass up the opportunity to sell another anime group's CDs?

Love Live's A-RISE were sent on a glaringly obvious route with blaring synths on Private Wars, and what I think is a solo electric guitar chugging on Shocking Party. Their songs' bold pounding rhythm is effective as a tool of intimidation. It doesn't need to be said that it's caveman logic to believe "Real, physical, acoustic instruments = soulful and sincere; electronic = emotionless and fake," as idol music and J-pop in general are obviously dominated by synths, but in the particular case of A-RISE I do find the songs boring compared to µ's. Keeping the arrangement fairly bare-bones, without a lot of "pretty" melodies and elaborate instrumentation, helps draw a contrast when you pull out a gorgeous piano-and-strings number like Snow Halation.

To Love Live's credit, A-RISE "haven't had a proper single release (all their singles were bonus songs for soundtrack albums)." On a franchise as huge and infamously profitable as Love Live, I think it's reasonable to consider that an exercise of restraint, suggesting the producers may actually view A-RISE's music as unappealing to fans. Still, A-RISE does have real life fans, which makes sense. The songs are catchy, and the girls are likeable, unlike a certain pink twintail. The lyrics also seem to be alright, aside from the banal English "Dancing, dancing! Non-stop my dancing!" repeated ad nauseam on Shocking Party.

Love Live Sunshine seems to have swapped A-RISE's primarily electronic sound for heavy guitars with Saint Snow; oh dear, this might become another situation like Bang Dream, where I (and allegedly the fanbase in general) prefer Roselia over Poppin'Party. Saint Snow have a couple of single releases, with support from Aquors on some tracks (Saint Aquors Snow).

I think the pattern I'm seeing is that a typical rival group is designed to be impressive and intimidating, rather than intentionally inferior in any genuine way. Same goes for the boy group Jupiter in classic Idolmaster, who after their leaving their shady and dishonest producer in the original show, went on to be among the protagonists in the Idolm@ster SideM spinoff anime.

It doesn't get much more intimidating than Bang Dream's RAISE A SUILEN. They were supposed to be cynically designed by in-universe producer CHU2 to dominate the girl band scene, and they have the formula addition of dominant electronic elements, but their music is good. Bang Dream's real life producers know it: RAISE A SUILEN was only introduced this year, but they've already released three solo singles. I feel like there's a bit of a missed opportunity here for CHU2 to act like real life band leader Tuomas, as criticized by Last.fm's "Fans of Old Nightwish" club over the then-recent "sellout" album Once, which is my favorite:

"The whole band was instructed by Tuomas to play artificially simple music, to attract masses and gain 100x more fans than Nightwish could have if Tuomas stayed with good music." "Emppu can't show his guitar skills, because he has to play just simple rhythm and stupid solos. No real, metal riffs on this album. Jukka plays drums like... Well no comment needed. Just compare drums from Wishmaster to drums from Once."

RAISE A SUILEN's musicians are experienced and excellent, but they don't seem to object to any aspect of the music they're playing.

In a way, it's actually refreshing that Re:Stage allows Stella Maris both to be great and to be universally regarded as great by everyone in the show.


Say, was it ever mentioned in Re:Stage how the winners are chosen in the tournament? I'm sure the novels explain it, but did the show? Is it by judges, or by popular vote, or a mixed system? The Re:Stage wiki doesn't have a Prism Stage page, for example this page links to it but it doesn't exist: https://projectrst.fandom.com/wiki/KiRaRe

If it's by popular vote, KiRaRe are seriously dropping the ball by not doing what µ's did, uploading their songs and sharing their story online to build a fanbase. Even if it's judged, it would be a wise move, especially for the girls who want to sing professionally. The group has a major attention hook in that they have the younger sister of Stella Maris' leader collaborating with the voice of a nationally popular vocaloid, but people don't know about that. "But they nobly want to succeed on their own merits." Then it's the fault of that pride if they fail.



Best ED of the season.
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Mishukax said:
[Summer 2019 best] character: Dale

AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO COULD SAVE US
I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND WAIT

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Shamiko best girl ots but gochiusa ova is my aots/y. Last third of the ova was so good that it overwhelmed the fact that my best gril of the series syaro getting ichiban-aidoru'd
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