Being comfortable with sexuality is maturity; enjoying fanservice is a preference.

GlennMagusHarvey said:
approaching sexuality with a level head =/= ignoring sexuality

approaching sexuality with a level head = being able to control one's reactions to sexuality, to suit the situation

(the rest of your reply is you going out on your own strange tangent)

15poundfish said:

What you consider a level head interpretation of sexuality in reality is instant gratification and submission to hedonistic pleasures.

Phantomnocomics said:
The real mystery is, what has OP been trying to say all this time?

TL;DR "growing some balls" =/= liking fanservice

GlennMagusHarvey said:
You're going to have to explain how "having a level head" and making reasonable decisions about sexuality (including but not limited to child-bearing and child-rearing) is somehow the same as "instant gratification and submission to hedonistic pleasures".

PeripheralVision said:


I was disagreeing with the notion that the nature of the real world, whether in regards to the laws of motion or of human nature, can be used to wantonly justify the presence of fanservice in a story. I was not arguing that realism be kept out of narratives, or that it has no place thereof.

Hence why I opposed it on the grounds as a logical argument. There is a stark difference between me stating incorporating elements of real world isn't necessary within a narrative, nor does it justify any elements presented whole, and me saying the appearance of reality has no place within the realm of fiction.

Patema Inverted does away with the idea of gravity, and Index is all about breaking the laws of physics. The lack of realism forms the basis of these respective stories, and are intrinsic to the world presented, whereas the same cannot be said of casual nudity that doesn't explicitly add anything other than fap material.

I never once said fanservice can't be an integral part of a show's appeal, nor did I gesture that all nudity was to be categorized under this.

And yes, some heroes die midshow, but these are not often. Why? Because for all the differences there lie between cultures and individuals, there are some tropes and tools that are agreed to be the prerequisite for what one considers a story, if not a well written story. Anyone who goes against the grain does so with the expectation of subverting expectations.

Writers can end series abruptly with their characters dying in the middle of their journey, and some do, but few ever do. The event of someone dying before they can accomplish what they set out to do happens all the time in real life, so why not?

It's because these stories are considered by many meaningless and boring tangents to read, with no payoff whatsoever.

TL;DR Just because something is realistic enough to occur in real life, does not necessarily means it belongs in a work of fiction.

15poundfish said:
Sexuality is an important part of human existence because its a strong instinct that motivates people to form families and children. Society has a interest in family and children because it creates stability, progress and power in any nation. When a man forms a relationship with a women it motivates him to use his surplus productive power for the benefit of a society and a women's role is to gestate children to make sure there is people in the next generation.

When sexual titillation can be acquired so easily, people are less likely to mate because they can avoid negative aspects like rejection and difficulty of vetting individuals. Porn and anime are an easy escape from this activity because they lead to instant reward to the point that some would prefer it over real people. It says something terrible about a society if people rather escape into fiction and instant gratification activities than to live and aspire to greater goals in the real world.

Fanservice being so prevalent in anime and its idealist escapist reality shows there are deep problems in Japanese society. People should be more interested in living the real world than escaping to into fictional realities. Creators are basically enabling it by the content they show to their viewers. Some people get so wrapped up in these fictional realities that they actually start to imitate the negative aspects of anime like sexual assault, domestic violence and dissemination of sexual paraphilias.

GlennMagusHarvey said:
they're fundamentally different things.

GlennMagusHarvey said:
Sexual fanservice is just a subset of that

Salwarehouse said:



So which is it? And to hit the charlimit a censored version of DxD sounds terrible.

PeripheralVision said:


Then there is a huge misunderstanding here, because I never said reality doesn't have a place, but that that the events in a narrative happening coinciding with the laws of the natural world is by no means an actual justification for such.

Though yes, it can likely be done well, but is often not. (Akame Ga Kill is a prime example) In any case, you are missing the point. Many works of fiction share common threads that are shared across a culture, as well as cross culturally. Meaning that to an extent, what we consider to be "good" within a story is shared enough that one can gesture what will happen or what will be.

Hence why plot armour is mentioned, because it is cross cultural. It is fundamentally difficult to develop a character written out, as well as to have payoffs for when a character dies before actually achieving whatever it is they wish to achieve, or the story means for them too.

Which is my overall point. Realism is not necessarily a reason to justify such elements, because stories can be however "realistic" or "fantastical" as an author wishes them to be. It depends on both their intent, and how the viewer takes it.

Dying in the middle of a journey is realistic; it just doesn't usually make for good writing to be omnipresent in every story. I am not saying this is what you earnestly believe, but what reasoning of "It's realistic" is implying.

In terms of fanservice, I do not believe it can merely be justified as casual nudity one woulds expect in real life. Though it bears in mind that casual nudity and fanservice thereof are distinct, in that nudity can sometimes be unavoidable, whereas fanservice is the lingerance on such elements.

In terms of the first episode alone, Goblins rape women. That's a given, and something the episode made sure to demonstrate. Now, if it were 20 minutes of Hobgoblin thrusting on Female Fighter, it would be gratuitous enough to be rightfully deemed fanservice. Instead, it was a few seconds tops.

To which I am undecided on Goblin Slayer as a whole.

Nithirel said:
I want to be entertained, not my dick. There are other media outlets for that.