| Has anyone seen [ Hachi: A Dog's Tale ] ? |
| just because you own a dog doesn't mean it will love you and you can make some humans love you just by giving them things so yeah world is complicated. |
Railey2 said: "The dog is man's best friend", we've all heard that phrase before. It's supposed to be a testament to the undying love and absolute and unconditional loyalty that dogs show towards their owners, and many people decide to own a dog for this very reason. If you want a companion who stays at your side until his death, who loves you with every fiber of his being... You become someone who is able to have this sort of relationship with another human being, by virtue of being a great person, a great friend, a great partner. Or you get a dog. The bond between a dog and a human isn't a sincere one, it isn't sincere the same way that a bond between two humans can be sincere. The reason for this is simple: The love that dogs show their owners is, to a great degree, unconditional. I always hear that "unconditional love" is something that we should aspire to, a sort of romantic ideal. But I think that the opposite is true. Love is at it's best when it's tied to all sorts of conditions, such as expecting emotional maturity from your partner, or expecting your partner to be there for you when you need him. If these conditions aren't given anymore, love fades, as it should. Conversely, the greater the degree of unconditionality, the less love is worth. If someone loves you unconditionally, it means you could torture their mother to death right in front of their eyes and it wouldn't make a difference to how they feel about you. It is unwavering, undying love that does not depend on any action on your part. It only depends on you being there, as a target. It is not tied to your actions or to your character. Absolute unconditional love is something only the most sociopathic or most desperate people desire, because unconditional love isn't about the other person or the dynamic between you: It's only about YOU. Of course dogs don't love you completely unconditionally. You can beat the shit out of a dog until it hates and fears you, that's not my point. The point is that the love that a dog feels for a human has a degree of unconditionality so high, that it stops being meaningful. Why would you want something like that? You want it because you are in need of love, but you're not able to get what you need from someone who is on a level with you. Maybe you are able, but you are scared of the type of love that might actually go away when you fuck up. Maybe you've been hurt before, or maybe you actually don't care about the sort of relationship you enter as long as it gets you that temporary hit of happiness. If you feel like you need a friend and think about getting a dog, my suggestion to you is this: Don't get a dog, become a better person and have a friendship that's actually meaningful. Getting a dog to satisfy your need for friendship isn't much different from getting a fuckdoll for satisfying your sexual needs. It might feel good, but you know that it's not the real thing. It can never be the real thing. ____________________________________________________________ TL;DR: If it doesn't even matter in a relationship if you're a person of good character or not, the relationship doesn't have any merit. If love is unconditional, it is not tied to your character or actions, and is therefore not different from mindless servitude. The closer love is to mindless servitude, the further away it is from the ideal. The relationship between an animal and a human are at the far lower end of the spectrum, and should therefore be avoided.  Conversely, the greater the degree of unconditionality, the less love is worth. This isn't entirely true. If you feel like you need a friend and think about getting a dog, my suggestion to you is this: Don't get a dog, become a better person and have a friendship that's actually meaningful. You can start great friendships with or without a a dog, although with a dog or any animal of your choosing does help people relate to you and likewise they. And they are not a limitation depending your on personal situation/feelings. Love doesn't have to be formed at first sight so you can feel it and feel good about it. It's about developing it over time despite that length sometimes, knowing about the whoever or whatever and helping or just being there is all you might need. Re-posted due to buggy HTML. |
 Enen no Shouboutai - Joker |
| Yet another taking it literally 101 thread. |
| I submit to you that a dog's love is fully conditioned. Conditioned on you being the provider of food, water, and mental stimulation. A dog wont love you unconditionally if you are an asshole to it. It might fear you to the point of wetting itself or defending itself if you are an asshat to it. Some dogs accept neglect and abuse just as much as there are people who accept neglect and abuse because they have no where else to turn. Sure, it is easier to build a bond with a dog than a person. But some aspects are more difficult. Such as knowing how to communicate with a dog who doesn't actually understand you in a verbal way. but more through your body language and tone of voice. This doesn't mean a dog will blindly follow you, blindly love you for no reasons. There are reasons. Mostly, the most basic of all, you give them food. And in exchange they love you. And some humans happily will be your friend for money. And they will very genuinely be your friend for that money. I am sure there are a great many people who would be your friend for food or money or housing. And dogs kinda get all the things just by being dogs. It makes sense to love the person who provides for you and cares for you. People wont be friends with you for no reasons as much as a dog wont be friends with you for no reasons. |
Energetic-NovaSep 30, 2018 5:59 AM
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changelog said: This is a very interesting topic you have brought up and I must say that I agree with you, especially with that diagram you have drawn up. I found teenage romance a waste of time, honestly. Of course, as a teen I wanted to have a girlfriend, but it was the year before my GCSEs that I realized that a girlfriend would just distract me from more important goals in my life, I just couldn't make any commitment. Furthermore, teenage romance is really superficial imo... I know girls who have liked me and I've liked back, but it was just "like", not "love". We were attracted to each other but in the end I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life with her. I would say the relationship between dog and human is deeper than a teen romance. Mostly because it is more like the bond between a parent and a child. As in, you care for a child with medical, food, water, shelter, toys, education and other needs and a child will pretty much love you back 100%. And I personally think that bond is very deep and fulfilling. But then again, I married the first guy I dated. I met him when I was 18 and I am 27 now. Technically, I was a teen. There was definitely a learning curve. What started as superficial grew into more. But my dog, it was more like... the feelings I have for my brothers and sisters. Like that kind of instant love. And if I didn't love my siblings, I think that would show something mentally wrong with me. |
Energetic-NovaSep 30, 2018 6:13 AM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| I'm guessing your parents wouldn't get you that dog. |
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| It seems you are stuck in the black hole of rationalism. Aspects like instinct , blind will , skepticism and unconditional love are "pathetic" to you. Well for instance many mothers in the world love their children even if they are still in their bellies , the love they feel for their children is purely unconditional. So if we take your reasoning process into consideration, your mother must be "pathetic" for loving you unconditionally. You forgot that humans are animals aswell and they too live based on instinct , you're just trying to escape from your own nature. |
VerhusSep 30, 2018 2:48 PM
| This thread seems silly, but it's interesting actually. The essence of love is to desire -with actions- the well-being and integral good of the loved one. Naturally the way in which this love is expressed varies according to the state in which each person lives; for example, a woman will manifest her love as a wife in a different way than how she manifests her love as a daughter. Unconditional love (Charity/Agape) requires the absolute reduction of the ego and therefore cannot be achieved without the "help" of the source of the love without ego (god). However it is very difficult to aspire to a life that implies a constant decrease of the ego, not only for the heroic sacrifices that it would represent, but also because it does not offer a reward that is really worthwhile. It is better to have a bird in your hands than to see hundreds flying, so it is not strange that the sky promised by the founder of Christianity does not usually convince even to the average of his adepts. Offering this kind of love is much more impossible for those who we embrace the Superbia and reject God. Even with everything, we people beings can offer an egoistic love, that is, a love conditioned by what something or someone represents for us. In this type of love we seek the integral good and well-being of the beloved depending of the benefits -emotional, affective, spiritual- that offer us. Animals cannot perform moral actions. Nor can they desire the integral good and well-being of the loved object. Both things require intelligence and will. A animal can be fierce, harmless, dangerous, affectionate, etc ... but in no way can be good or bad, fair or unfair, love or hate. For that reason they cannot be subjects of rights, because these only correspond to beings whose nature makes them free or susceptible of merit and responsibility. Pets do not see their owners like friends, but just like owners. It could not be otherwise because friendship can only be practiced by intelligent beings. When an animal defends its owner from a danger, it does not do so because it loves it but because it keeps an instinctive affection and obedience. It reacts similarly to the herd of animals that defend to their boss We have a qualitatively superior nature to animals, because although we have attributes similar to theirs, we also have a spiritual nature composed mainly of intelligence and will. This insurmountable distance that exists between men and animals as a product of our intrinsic superiority, makes us substantially more capable than them to produce happiness and sadness in other people. Excessive love of animals is the product of an involutive process of love. . The abandonment of medieval art (Medievalism) in favor of classical art (Classicism) is a reflection of the decline of spiritual love in favor of rational human love. The Renaissance, Catholic Clergy corruption, Protestant Reformation and Monarchical Absolutism is a product of the abandonment of "the greatness of God" (Man-God) that characterized medieval man in favor of "the greatness of man" (Man -Human) that characterized the modern man. The abandonment of classical art (Classicism) in favor of romantic art (Romanticism) would be a reflection of the decline of rational human love in favor of sentimental love. The triumph of Liberalism and Capitalism is a product of the abandonment of the "greatness of man" (Human-Human) that characterized modern man for the benefit of the "animal greatness" (Man-Animal) that characterizes contemporary man. We are heirs of these historical events, consequently, if the motor of the life of man is now the satisfaction of animal instincts through the delight of pleasures; then thoughts, words and voluntary actions will tend to be less human (rational) and more animal (irrational). If the Man-Animal is much more prone to irrationality than the Human-Man, then his way of loving and objects of his love will also be much more irrational. If in other Eras, the heart referred to the mind, attitudes, thoughts, feelings and the intellect in general; now it would be limited to being the place where feelings are kept, which in turn implies a divorce between logic and the heart. "Love is a feeling" is a phrase coined by the Man-Animal, that is, a person who has the will and the intellect strongly submitted to the satisfaction of the instincts through the sensitive delight, to the point of not being able to avoid fall in love with inconvenient people or reject erotic relationships that were foresaw destined to the failure (unstable, harmful, chronic monotony, etc...) The contemporary man born in the French Revolution has in common with animals the fact that both live to satisfy their instincts through sensible delight. The irrational love of this animalized man has many similarities with the instinctive affection shown by pets, however the first one tends to cause damage that the second one does not cause. The humanization of animals is a new level of irrationality of Man-Animal because it carries its hatred for humanity to the point of reducing it to the level of animals. The contemporary man has not problems with kids hungry in the world but does not hesitate to donate money in favor of animals. César Milan, the famous dog charmer, indicates that humanizing animals causes them to lose their identity, to feel frustrated, anxious and insecure. Step to transcribe verbatim what César said in an interview to a Mexican magazine about it I guess I do not have to say that it would be absurd to accuse to Cesar Milan of being someone who hates animals when we see the way he dominates them. Maybe the most suitable love for contemporary man is the rational human love reflected in classical art, because this love is not as demanding - and generally badly rewarded - as spiritual love nor is it as irrational as the sentimental love that characterizes our time.  One thing I see for sure, if we do not change the route, the Man-Animal will be replaced by the Man-Thing or Man-Tool -promoted by the International Left- because the current human irrationality is not just characterized by be infra-human but that little by little is touching the infra-animal level. The Man-Animal can at least affirm the satisfaction of his instincts through sensible delight as the motor of his life, but what can the Man-Thing affirm? Hey, we have dogs with WiFi !!! hmmm..... That sound like Huxley's dystopia |
_Nemrod_Oct 19, 2018 10:08 AM
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hazecloud said: Yet another taking it literally 101 thread. Since when has this user ever done anything different with his thread topics, though? |
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| OP, you have some irrational negativity towards dogs you need to work out with a therapist. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Cats are gods. Dogs are is God backwards, therefore they are the devil. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
CatSoul said: OP, you have some irrational negativity towards dogs you need to work out with a therapist. ^^ this what did dogs ever do to you, op? |
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CapitalistGod said: Wrong, any animal can be domesticated and give affection equally.@Railey2 Dogs are animals and they act on instinct. The affection they give their owners is a result of said instinct of a domesticated animal. It is by no means unconditional. Heck, it's actually misguidedto use human standards of love here. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Thread locked So first tigers and now dogs. I wonder what's next. This strange obsession with attacking animal lovers needs to stop. It baits people into emotional responses and clearly doesn't create a healthy environment for discussions. If interacting with other people IRL only brings you pain, then that shows us something. You're either a trashy person yourself, which explains why your relationships with other humans are trashy, or you're just a horrible judge of character and as a result spend time with people who are no good. Your response to that is retreat. And while you're busy escaping into the anime world and rationalizing your pain away, you've found that you're unable to have proper relationships with other human beings, so you're turning to animals instead. I have one word for that: Pathetic. This thread is for you, it's exactly for people like you. If you find yourself preferring dogs over humans, you have completely failed as a social actor. This proves to me that you're just attacking people who love their animals. I have one word for this kind of bait: Pathetic. Prove me wrong, J_LEE_C. You have 1,333 completed anime in your list, you think I can't tell what your social life is like? @Sonal1988 same thing for you, having completed 1,495 manga. We can all tell, it's out in the open after all. And to top it off this bait. Just stop. |
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