| Fate/Stay Night > Fate/zero |
| Fate/Zero -> Fate/Stay Night VN No point watching the F/SN anime if you watch Zero first. As it was a poor adaptation & will just leave you more confused after watching the prequel that follows the VN instead of the anime. Shirou appears at the end of Zero, but doesn't play a significant role in the prequel, aside from setting him as the protagonist of F/SN. |
| Read the Fate/Stay Night visual novel, then watch the Fate/Zero anime. Pretty straightforward. If you wanna be super serious you could also play Tsukihime first of all as there are some references to it from F/S N but that is definitely not a necessity. |
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| I watched Fate/Zero first and didn't have any problem with it. I keep trying to pick up the Fate/Stay Night VN because i liked Fate/Zero but i find it kind of boring. At this point I think I'm just going to wait for the Ufotable remake of Fate/Stay because I've heard the original one is pretty bad. |
| As I'm watching Fate/Stay Night right now and plan to watch Fate/Zero afterwards as per the recommendation of the person who recommended it to me, I would suggest doing the same. Also, since Fate/Zero seems to be almost universally hailed as the better of the two, it'll prevent the whole "oh no, I can't watch this subpar product after seeing Ufotable's Fate/Zero" shindig. ------------------------------------------------------ As an aside, I find the whole "Fate/Stay Night is the worst anime ever" sentiment to be quite overblown. Yes, the anime is average at best with some good moments, but it certainly isn't the unwatchable pile of dribble that some people make it out to be, unless the last 10 episodes are completely different from the rest or something. It's fun, at least, even if some things are left unclear. So if you're not willing to invest the time necessary for a VN, then this route won't kill you. People calling the original a terrible piece of unwatchable nothingness are, at least in my eyes, essentially saying that "it's not as good as Fate/Zero and/or the VN", not that it, looking at it as a standalone product, is some inferior existence that doesn't match up to such classics as ImoCho and Pupa. |
AndyRayyJan 13, 2014 12:38 PM
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| Fate/stay night was created before Fate/Zero, but Fate/Zero contains waaay too many spoilers and should be avoided until you have completed Fate/stay night VN. The Fate/stay night anime series is optional, since it covers only the VN's first route and tried rather poorly to tie in the other routes. On the other hand, Unlimited Bladeworks the movie is a fairly good production that is very loyal to the VN's second route. Fate/Zero is a pretty enjoyable anime on its own right. After you are done with all that, you should play Fate/hollow ataraxia VN, which is coming out any day now... hopefully: http://seiba.us.to/entrans/main.php PS: How come everyone forgets about Unlimited Bladeworks? PPS: Shirou is the protagonist of both stay night and hollow ataraxia. His foster father is the protagonist of Zero, and Shirou was only a kid during the events of Zero. |
RinthJan 13, 2014 1:30 PM
| When someone asks "what order do I watch Fate in" saying "read the VN" is not an actual reply as it's completely unrelated to the question being asked. A visual novel is not an anime, nor do you watch it. To answer the OP; Fate/Zero is awesome and also a prequel, watch that first. Fate/Stay Night is getting a much better remake (theres no doubt it will be better than the original, not even because 'it was sooo bad' but because UFOtable is fucking great) in the near future I'd suggest waiting for after watching Zero. Mod Edit: Modified statement. |
KinetaJan 13, 2014 5:15 PM
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| I watched Fate/Zero first and then Fate/Stay Night and was satisfied. Zero is a masterpiece, FSN is really average, so yeah, you don't really have to watch it anyway. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Fate/Stay Night is getting a much better remake (theres no doubt it will be better than the original, not even because 'it was sooo bad' but because UFOtable is fucking great) in the near future I'd suggest waiting for after watching Zero. That remake is definitely worth waiting. Ufotable also made Fate/Zero and the Kara no Kyoukai movies. I'm still adamant that F/SN should be watched before Zero though. Watching Zero first will pretty much dispel the majority of the mysteries present in the F/SN storyline. Further, some works really should be first experienced in VN before watching the anime. You will simply get more enjoyment out of the series that way. One of my greatest regrets is watching the masterpiece that is Steins;Gate the anime before playing the masterpiece that is Steins;Gate the VN. |
Rinth said: TallonKarrde23 said: Fate/Stay Night is getting a much better remake (theres no doubt it will be better than the original, not even because 'it was sooo bad' but because UFOtable is fucking great) in the near future I'd suggest waiting for after watching Zero. That remake is definitely worth waiting. Ufotable also made Fate/Zero and the Kara no Kyoukai movies. I'm still adamant that F/SN should be watched before Zero though. Watching Zero first will pretty much dispel the majority of the mysteries present in the F/SN storyline. Well it was written after so it's understandable it contains some things that might damper the F/SN stories mysteries, but I think it grabs the viewer way faster and more powerfully and gets them involved more deeply into the story, characters, and world of the Fate universe. Maybe the remake will be able to fix it, but F/SN as it is now isn't really something a lot of people watch and think "WOW, I definitely want to see more of this and learn more about what happens to these characters" because as far as the already-out version it plays off very much as a high school harem ecchi comedy with some action mixed in from time to time. Some of that is simply because Nasu was pandering to the otaku demographic with the VN (I believe he's even admitted to feeling forced to put the sex scenes in, could be mistaken) but mostly due to the writing staff for the animation studio doing a terrible job as there was plenty that was much better in the VN than the show ever even touched on. As it stands, unless the remake has that same huge appeal that Zero has thanks to the beautiful art (which it will have for sure), incredible music (again, it will), and incredibly interesting characters right off the bat, I think it's worth starting with even if you miss out on some of the mystery of F/SN. Fate/Zero is overall a better product and appeals to more people as well by being 'so different' from what many of them are used to (it doesn't take place with high school kids, there's not really any jokes, there's no ecchi shit mixed in for no reason) that they will watch it even purely for that fact, and then when they get so into it will be interested in continuing into Stay Night. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
KinetaJan 13, 2014 5:10 PM
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| Thread Moved. Although the intent of the thread is to discuss the franchise, the OP apparently knows the Fate/stay night series (asking about Shiro) and so this thread better belongs in the series board than in AD. |
| Zero > Stay Night > Unlimited Blade Works > Kaleid Prisma Illya Kaleid is connected to the route Heaven's Feel, which is not adapted to anime (praying to ufotable). Also already stated, F/SN is getting a remake from the studio ufotable (no information about release and which route). F/SN and UBW from DEEN is pretty bad story-wise, you will need to read some spoilers from the wikia after watching. |
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xJapaliicious said: Zero > Stay Night > Unlimited Blade Works > Kaleid Prisma Illya Kaleid is connected to the route Heaven's Feel, which is not adapted to anime (praying to ufotable). Also already stated, F/SN is getting a remake from the studio ufotable (no information about release and which route). F/SN and UBW from DEEN is pretty bad story-wise, you will need to read some spoilers from the wikia after watching. Prisma is not connected to HF as much as its connected to Fate/Zero. |
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Forgetfulness said: Fai said: I might have asked this before, but is any knowledge from F/ha needed for the 2nd season of F/kl? I know Bazett shows up at the end of the first season :|xJapaliicious said: Zero > Stay Night > Unlimited Blade Works > Kaleid Prisma Illya Kaleid is connected to the route Heaven's Feel, which is not adapted to anime (praying to ufotable). Also already stated, F/SN is getting a remake from the studio ufotable (no information about release and which route). F/SN and UBW from DEEN is pretty bad story-wise, you will need to read some spoilers from the wikia after watching. Prisma is not connected to HF as much as its connected to Fate/Zero. The introduction of character and her powers are handled quite well without F/HA knowledge, so knowing that she is uber-badass is enough. There's however other character(actually two) who are from F/hA and appear there, namely Knowledge of FSN vn routes and F/0 is far more important. |
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Fai said: Forgetfulness said: Fai said: I might have asked this before, but is any knowledge from F/ha needed for the 2nd season of F/kl? I know Bazett shows up at the end of the first season :|xJapaliicious said: Zero > Stay Night > Unlimited Blade Works > Kaleid Prisma Illya Kaleid is connected to the route Heaven's Feel, which is not adapted to anime (praying to ufotable). Also already stated, F/SN is getting a remake from the studio ufotable (no information about release and which route). F/SN and UBW from DEEN is pretty bad story-wise, you will need to read some spoilers from the wikia after watching. Prisma is not connected to HF as much as its connected to Fate/Zero. The introduction of character and her powers are handled quite well without F/HA knowledge, so knowing that she is uber-badass is enough. There's however other character(actually two) who are from F/hA and appear there, namely Knowledge of FSN vn routes and F/0 is far more important. I believe F/KL is more connected to HF than Zero because And that is my theory why KL is far more connected to HF than any other world @Forgetfulness No. Only 3drei needs knowledge from other worlds.. |
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Rinth said: Fate/stay night was created before Fate/Zero, but Fate/Zero contains waaay too many spoilers and should be avoided until you have completed Fate/stay night VN. The Fate/stay night anime series is optional, since it covers only the VN's first route and tried rather poorly to tie in the other routes. On the other hand, Unlimited Bladeworks the movie is a fairly good production that is very loyal to the VN's second route. Fate/Zero is a pretty enjoyable anime on its own right. After you are done with all that, you should play Fate/hollow ataraxia VN, which is coming out any day now... hopefully: http://seiba.us.to/entrans/main.php PS: How come everyone forgets about Unlimited Bladeworks? PPS: Shirou is the protagonist of both stay night and hollow ataraxia. His foster father is the protagonist of Zero, and Shirou was only a kid during the events of Zero. THe movies was far worse than the series, story wise.And FFS they couldnt even animate the fights properly,made Shirou makechoices that should have lead to a bad end etc... Rinth said: TallonKarrde23 said: Fate/Stay Night is getting a much better remake (theres no doubt it will be better than the original, not even because 'it was sooo bad' but because UFOtable is fucking great) in the near future I'd suggest waiting for after watching Zero. That remake is definitely worth waiting. Ufotable also made Fate/Zero and the Kara no Kyoukai movies. I'm still adamant that F/SN should be watched before Zero though. Watching Zero first will pretty much dispel the majority of the mysteries present in the F/SN storyline. Further, some works really should be first experienced in VN before watching the anime. You will simply get more enjoyment out of the series that way. One of my greatest regrets is watching the masterpiece that is Steins;Gate the anime before playing the masterpiece that is Steins;Gate the VN. But the FSN anime doesnt really have many mysteries or makes you care about them. @Xjapaliicious WHat you are talking about is pure references and emotional impact.Like |
ssjokg said: @Xjapaliicious WHat you are talking about is pure references and emotional impact.Like Isn't nasuverse all about that ? I'm pretty new into this, but every world has some impact in the others and from what KL has shown, HF is the most close. Isn't it ? Every world have their own aspects, but just from showing Saber Alter and True Assassin made more clear how we can see. |
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xJapaliicious said: ssjokg said: @Xjapaliicious WHat you are talking about is pure references and emotional impact.Like Isn't nasuverse all about that ? I'm pretty new into this, but every world has some impact in the others and from what KL has shown, HF is the most close. Isn't it ? Every world have their own aspects, but just from showing Saber Alter and True Assassin made more clear how we can see. The setting of KL isnt affected at all by Saber Alter,True Assassin or any part of the 3 routes that was barely shown in KL. What is important is what we must know about the world itself. Whether someone gets some feels in the fight between Ilya and Berserker or not has nothing to do with the story of Kaleid. What is important is to know why Ilya is who she is,why she(and Miyu) has so much power, and why she has such a life. |
ssjokg said: What is important is what we must know about the world itself. And that's why I'm trying to search those references. ssjokg said: Whether someone gets some feels in the fight between Ilya and Berserker or not has nothing to do with the story of Kaleid. Well, she never knew Berserker in this world, but that's a big plot hole in my theory if I'm stating within HF (whose I failed to see he wasn't corrupted). ssjokg said: What is important is to know why Ilya is who she is,why she(and Miyu) has so much power, and why she has such a life. Waiting for a good exaplanation from |
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| No.Setting=/=references There arent any stated rules in Kaleid.Even if they changed FSN Berserker with FZ Berserker it wouldnt change the story. HF isnt the only 5th war.There is also UBW,Fate and hundreds of others we dont know. And I meant her FSN & FZ backstory, not why she lives like that in kaleid. |
| See this thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=705557 tl;dr Fate/Zero is several orders of magnitude better than Fate/stay night because the F/sn adaptation was butchered; just drop f/sn, watch f/zero, wait for the fate/stay night remake |
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| I would say if you got that far you should at least finish it. It's not like it's that bad of a show. Though as suggested you could just watch the upcoming remake to see if it's more to your taste. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| Man, I'm SOOO not looking forward to all the F/SN crap that's about to hit us later this year.... UGH... |
| inb4 they butcher the adaptation twice |
JustALEX said: Man, I'm SOOO not looking forward to all the F/SN crap that's about to hit us later this year.... UGH... Too Fate for you. |
antonn said: JustALEX said: Man, I'm SOOO not looking forward to all the F/SN crap that's about to hit us later this year.... UGH... Too Fate for you. I just never thought it was that great of a story. Yeah, Fate zero had great animation, art, and entertaining action sequences and even good characters.... But the story itself is not that interesting.....if anything it's convoluted and difficult for non-light novel viewers to fully understand. |
| i hate shiro more than shinji i lied shinji still takes the cake :x |
| just read the visual novel instead, pretty simple |
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Zeally said: i hate shiro more than shinji i lied shinji still takes the cake :x OH FUCK! I completely forgot about that piece of shit... Actually, he may be worse than Shinji..... |
miereneronaile said: He's definitely a punching bag to be sure... although I still think Nina Einstein is the worst one I've ever seenJustALEX said: Zeally said: i hate shiro more than shinji i lied shinji still takes the cake :x OH FUCK! I completely forgot about that piece of shit... Actually, he may be worse than Shinji..... Believe me, he is not. There is virtually no fictional character in existence who is worse than Shinji(on an equal scale, I mean obviously people who destroy planets or whatever are 'worse' in a way) |
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| Finish the series, watch Fate/Zero, watch the remake when it airs, then regret why you ever watched the first Fate/stay night anime. |
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miereneronaile said: HaXXspetten said: miereneronaile said: He's definitely a punching bag to be sure... although I still think Nina Einstein is the worst one I've ever seenJustALEX said: Zeally said: i hate shiro more than shinji i lied shinji still takes the cake :x OH FUCK! I completely forgot about that piece of shit... Actually, he may be worse than Shinji..... Believe me, he is not. There is virtually no fictional character in existence who is worse than Shinji(on an equal scale, I mean obviously people who destroy planets or whatever are 'worse' in a way) She is a monumental bitch, but she had a MASSIVE scale compared to Shinji. For some reason, I find Shinji so bad because all of his ridiculous malice, his pathetic jealousy.. It was all over such tiny things, and it was ALL focused onto one poor innocent person. One person who suffered massively even WITHOUT his actions, who even WITHOUT his actions would be one of the most tragic in anime. And then he does what he does? I understand that, in a lot of ways, Nina is worse and to far more people.. But something about Shinji.... You are talking about Matou Shinji right? I may be wrong but I think they are talking Ikari Shinji from NGE. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| @ miereneronaile HaXXspetten brought up Nina Einstein, another character who has nothing to do with FSN and Zeally may have been comparing Shirou to another protagonist he doesn't like. I have seen Shirou and Shinji (NGE) compared before. Like I said, I may be wrong. Just a guess, really. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
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